[00:10] <andylockran> heya
[00:15] <s-fox> Hello andylockran
[00:55] <jimmie> Im not sure if anyone else uses Deluge, but does it always have to re-check files after a reboot, or is there a way to turn that off?
[01:01] <ujjain> How many cities have subways in the UK?
[01:02] <jimmie> As in, a station for trains underground
[01:02] <jimmie> Or the overpriced, shite sandwich shop?
[01:04] <jimmie> Also how is that relevant?
[01:04] <jimmie> Even if it was noone here would know.
[01:05] <ujjain> hehe.
[01:05] <ujjain> I know for Holland.
[01:05] <ujjain> we have 3 cities with a subway system.
[01:06] <ujjain> oh 2
[01:07] <jimmie> OK
[01:07] <jimmie> But I still dont see the relevance of that fact
[01:07] <jimmie> Are you a subway enthusiast?
[01:07] <jimmie> Or just a common trainspotter?
[01:08] <jimmie> Or a trainspotter dealing exclusively in subterranean trains?
[01:24] <JGJones> ujjain, Newcastle have the Metro, parts of which is underground in the centre
[01:25] <JGJones> Can't think of anywhere else that have an underground in UK (most use buses and trams sometimes)
[01:26] <JGJones> Oh yeah...Glasgow have an underground too, 2nd in UK after London
[01:26] <ujjain> JGJones: ah k :) London has.
[01:26] <ujjain> ah ok.
[01:27] <JGJones> Yeah London does have one (it's the first underground rail system in world)
[01:27] <JGJones> and I think the largest too.
[01:28] <JGJones> London even had an underground Post Office railways - small trains that hail letters etc, but that closed down
[01:30] <JGJones> that's all I can think of...Newcastle, London and Glasgow.
[01:31] <JGJones> any others I wouldn't know but I doubt it (the largest cities in UK is London followed by Glasgow then B'ham (which doesn't have an underground I think?)
[01:32] <JGJones> Ah, just been informed Liverpool have one too - that make 4.
[01:32] <JGJones> Any reason you're keen on underground systems? :-) (although if you want a BUSY one, go to Moscow)
[01:35] <jimmie> He didnt tell me why he was interested in trains either
[01:35] <jimmie> I can only assume hes gathering intelligence for the Dutch, and stage 1 of their invasion is to hit us where it hurts
[01:35] <jimmie> Cheap public transport
[01:36] <jimmie> Actually it must be stage two, stage one was sending in operatives disguised as tramps to piss everywhere.
[01:36] <JGJones> they're more than welcome - there probably is a strike on the London Underground anyway :)
[01:37] <JGJones> so all invasion would ground to a halt until it's sorted
[01:37] <JGJones> by which there'll be another strike for some other little reason (and more pay of course)
[01:38] <jimmie> Heh yeah
[01:39] <JGJones> but on the plus side...don't the Dutch happen to brew decent beer?
[01:46] <ujjain> right.
[01:46] <ujjain> although Belgians are good too, but special beers.
[04:21] <jimmie> Im not sure if anyone else uses Deluge, but does it always have to re-check files after a reboot, or is there a way to turn that off?
[04:34] <Azelphur> jimmie: it only does that for me if something weird has happened
[04:34] <jimmie> Oh
[04:34] <jimmie> Well I just rebooted and that doesnt strike me as too odd so I dont know why it irks Deluge
[04:35] <jimmie> erks?
[04:35] <jimmie> No it must be irk
[04:35] <jimmie> Erk is just plain silly.
[04:37] <Azelphur> \o/
[08:25] <DJones> Morning all
[08:36] <hoover> morning all
[08:37] <diplo> Morning all
[08:37] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:39] <JGJones> Top of the morning all!
[08:40] <hoover> same to you Sir ;-)
[08:46] <daubers_> Morning!
[09:00] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:08] <hoover> mornin biggie, MooDoo
[09:10] <bigcalm> Hi hoovie. Having a fun week?
[09:16] <oimon> hi MooDoo, how was your desire custom rom exercise?
[09:16] <MooDoo> oimon: success :D
[09:17] <oimon> CM7?
[09:17] <MooDoo> yeah :D
[09:17] <oimon> does sense provide anything worthwhile?
[09:17] <MooDoo> oimon: not tested everything though but at the moment it's all ok
[09:18] <MooDoo> oimon: all i've noticed really is that's it's a lot quicker
[09:18] <MooDoo> not really had time to play
[09:18] <oimon> oh :)
[09:18] <oimon> will prob do the CM7 despite htc's u-turn
[09:18] <MooDoo> seriously?  they have decided to put it on?
[09:18] <oimon> yep lol
[09:19] <MooDoo> *sigh*
[09:19] <bigcalm> By reducing some apps in sence aparently
[09:19] <MooDoo> url?
[09:19] <oimon> http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-plays-indian-giver-with-gingerbread-update-for-htc-desire-16910/
[09:20] <MooDoo> ah well :D
[09:22] <JGJones> CM7's worth it, it's at least faster to use :)
[09:22] <JGJones> MooDoo, you can use gestures on the lockscreen to unlock directly into the app of your choice btw with CM7
[09:23] <MooDoo> JGJones: oooooo :)
[09:23] <JGJones> (ie I use S as a gesture to unlock straight to Shazam
[09:23] <oimon> i like that idea JGJones
[09:25] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you ok, just seen your tweet.....
[09:36] <popey> oimon: "indian giver"!? I thought that was one of those phrases that was deemed somewhat offensive to native americans :S
[09:36] <oimon> popey: huh?
[09:36] <popey> 09:19:45 < oimon> http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-plays-indian-giver-with-gingerbread-update-for-htc-desire-16910/
[09:36]  * popey shrugs
[09:36] <oimon> ah lol no idea
[09:37] <oimon> jsut copy and pasted from a tinyurl i was sent
[09:37] <oimon> nobody checks url nowadays :D
[09:37] <popey> heh
[09:39] <oimon> unfortuantely htc may have already damaged their reputation a little
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> With Sense?
[09:39] <oimon> with the fiasco surrounding the GB for Desire, and previous phone support too
[09:40] <oimon> Android phone makers promise to update new devices up to 18 months after initial release
[09:40] <popey> hahaha
[09:41] <popey> they blew their reputation ages ago for me
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> Guess why I only buy Google's own android phones
[09:41] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, same here :)
[09:41] <oimon> i think they make great handsets, like nokia used to
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> (Magic, N1, next one will be NS or its replacement)
[09:41] <JGJones> yeah but at least HTC is attempting to undo what they did - bootloader to be unlocked from now on etc.
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: sure but they still have this "Sense" poo on their devices
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> I want stock android, like my N1 has
[09:42] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, yup, but Virgin mobile (I think USA only) is now planning to sell Android phones, but all manfacturer skins to be removed.
[09:43] <JGJones> ie no Sense.
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: My N1 works fine for the moment ;)
[09:43] <JGJones> so you get a choice of whatever they sell, in stock Android.
[09:44] <JGJones> same here...N1 nice enough so that there's really no need whatsoever for dual core or whatever really...
[09:44] <JGJones> The only thing the N1 lack for me is a front camera.
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> My touchscreen is getting a bit flaky
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> (might be related to me holding it in my hand while running)
[09:45] <JGJones> N1 does have a inferior touchscreen - doesn't do multitouch that well at all.
[09:48] <oimon> MartijnVdS: i think sense was ahead of android for quite a while
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Sense is bad.
[09:48] <oimon> then google added more features
[09:48] <JGJones> I replace the stock launcher with LauncherPro
[09:53] <shauno> feeling much better about my iphone reading this ;)
[09:53]  * daubers really wants a galaxy s 2 :(
[09:53] <oimon> shauno: what happens when apple release an ios update and don't include your phone?
[09:53] <oimon> at least android owners can use custom mods
[09:53] <daubers> oimon: Already happening. Some features of IOS5 not available to iPhone 3/3GS
[09:54] <shauno> about the same as after android's promised 18 months, I assume.  you're on your own :)
[09:54] <oimon> shauno: android owners can fall back on custom roms though
[09:55] <oimon> whicih are often better than the real thing
[09:55] <JGJones> I've got a HTC Magic - it's pretty old - it runs CM6
[09:55] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:55] <shauno> there's not much stopping you installing mods on ios either
[09:55] <oimon> i didn't realise that was possible
[09:56] <oimon> due to closed source nature of ios
[09:56] <JGJones> CM6 is based on Froyo (2.2) while the Android on the HTC Magic by default was 1.6 with no upgrades so there's benefit to custom roms.
[09:56] <shauno> the OS itself isn't closed.  just the UI layer
[09:57] <shauno> darwin sources show up about as timely as google's source releases.  which isn't setting a very high bar
[09:57] <JGJones> There's a source for the iOS kernel?
[09:57] <shauno> bizarely, it's the same sourcetree as the desktop kernel
[09:57] <daubers> JGJones: _some_ of the iOS kernel
[09:57] <DJones> JGJones: How do you find CM6 on the magic, I was tempted to try that on an old Magic I've got at home but thought the processor/memory might limit it quite a bit
[09:58] <JGJones> DJones, Mine is actually the Vodafone model, which have half the memory of a standard HTC Magic actually I think.
[09:58] <JGJones> It's not fast
[09:58] <JGJones> but it works :)
[09:58] <DJones> JGJones: Mine would be the same vodaphone model
[09:59] <JGJones> not much difference speed-wise from Android 1.6 though...it's a slow phone.
[09:59] <JGJones> DJones, however I *think* Vodafone now have an upgrade for the HTC Magic?
[10:00] <JGJones> I'm sure I could look for a more optimised faster kernel for the HTC Magic, but I don't use the phone - my son does so I'm not fussy.
[10:00] <DJones> JGJones: I'd be surprised at that, last I heard, they had no plans to upgrade it to persuade people to upgrade to other phones
[10:00] <JGJones> DJones, yeah...hence why I slapped on CM6 :)
[10:01] <czajkowski> moodoo yup bf in hospital not me
[10:02] <JGJones> czajkowski, hope he's OK
[10:02] <czajkowski> yup tonsil out
[10:03] <AlanBell> so the tonsil is now free to persue a life of it's own
[10:03] <AlanBell> having had a jonectomy
[10:03] <JGJones> heh
[10:04] <wintellect> czajkowski: just the one tonsil out? I thought they'd take both out?!?
[10:05] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ok thanks, hope he's ok
[10:05] <MooDoo> as much as you can be having tonsils out
[10:05] <JGJones> wintellect, maybe they both didn't get on so one had to leave ;)
[10:09] <AlanBell> I am pretty hopeless with biology, wrong kind of scale for me
[10:09] <popey> and there's no man page
[10:10] <AlanBell> physics OK, Chemistry - OK if I can work it out using physics, biology - too big
[10:10] <wintellect> JGJones: lol
[10:10] <AlanBell> anything between the size of an atom and a star isn't really my thing
[10:16] <JGJones> AlanBell, them new-fangled TV with a lettered board and something called Interweb is damn confusing, but you're doing well ;-)
[10:17] <AlanBell> JGJones: it is all just a bunch of electrons
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: and semiconductors
[10:20] <AlanBell> yup, good solid physics there (with a dash of yummy quantum)
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: so.. you're subscribed to sixtysymbols and periodicvideos on youtube? :)
[10:33] <DJones> Unusual design choice from SOny for the S2 model http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMp-48J88FA&feature=player_embedded
[11:02] <oimon> DJones: reminds me of the litl netbook. litl.com
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:10] <oimon> saw a new message on facebook about a new uupc podcast...got excited, then realised it was last weeks uupc :(
[11:12] <popey> yeah
[11:12] <popey> for some reason facebook is rubbish at picking up the rss feed
[11:14] <oimon> weird
[11:15] <MooDoo> for some reason faceboko is rubbish :D
[11:15] <oimon> doesn't affect other people though :P
[11:16] <oimon> hmm. spent ages shoehorning lubuntu onto my eee and a week later i'm tempted to put mint 11 on it
[11:17] <popey> http://identi.ca/notice/76519429   /    http://twitter.com/#!/uupc/status/81666594174017536
[11:17] <popey> :D
[11:21] <oimon> woo
[11:22] <popey> yes. Woo!
[11:23] <MooDoo> awesome
[11:29] <dwatkins> wow, minedroid too, whatever next?
[11:34] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:34] <MooDoo> mornoing brobostigon
[11:34] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon
[11:34] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and dwatkins
[12:43] <BigRedS> quiet today
[12:43]  * BigRedS hears an echo
[12:43] <popey>  ____
[12:43] <popey> | __ )  ___   ___
[12:43] <popey> |  _ \ / _ \ / _ \
[12:44] <bigcalm> Baa?
[12:44] <BigRedS> Rnn?
[12:44] <bigcalm> Ah
[12:44] <MooDoo> Boo
[12:44] <MooDoo> ?
[12:44] <BigRedS> Perhaps
[12:45] <bigcalm> iain@revo:~$ figlet Boo
[12:45] <bigcalm> The program 'figlet' can be found in the following packages:
[12:45] <bigcalm>  * toilet
[12:45] <bigcalm>  * figlet
[12:45] <bigcalm> What the heck is toilet?
[12:45] <BigRedS> : Unable to locate package toilet :(
[12:45] <BigRedS> Oh. this is a sarge box
[12:45] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:46] <bigcalm> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/toilet
[12:47] <bigcalm> OH MY!
[12:47] <bigcalm> http://screenshots.debian.net/package/toilet
[12:47] <bigcalm> The rainbow colour option is --gay
[12:47] <popey> it is
[12:47] <BigRedS> haha!
[12:47] <bigcalm> It's very happy
[12:51] <davmor2> bigcalm, BigRedS, MooDoo: all wrong the correct answer isn't baa, rnn or boo, it's simply Fail!
[12:57] <hoover> lol
[13:02] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Birmigham and Solihull Rugby [Sponsorship Opportunity] - http://zrmt.com/2011/06/17/birmigham-and-solihull-rugby-sponsorship-opportunity/
[13:29] <Myrtti> lol-moment of the day: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5841726906/
[13:29] <Myrtti> *boggle*
[13:33] <Myrtti> was just walking from the trainstation to the doctors and happened to look at jewellers window
[13:33] <Myrtti> I can only assume there is some purpose in the world for that ring, but I've not figured it out
[13:36] <DJones> Myrtti: Is that a sterling price? I've lost track of which country you're in
[13:37] <DJones> Although, whether its sterling/dollars/euros, its still silly money
[13:37] <popey> does it rule them all?
[13:38] <popey> Jabber \o/
[13:39] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[13:58] <JGJones> That ring doesn't seem as bad as being informed that a single person is buying a 91 million dollar house just for herself. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Manor_(Los_Angeles,_California)
[13:58] <JGJones> space for 100 cars. For a person.
[13:58] <JGJones> daft.
[13:58] <MooDoo> JGJones: f1 ownswers gaughter?
[13:58] <MooDoo> JGJones: owners daughter
[13:58] <JGJones> same surname so I assume so.
[13:59] <MooDoo> yeah it's her
[14:00] <Myrtti> DJones: euros
[14:01] <Myrtti> JGJones: a house you can live in, you can't accidentally misplace it or put it through a garbage disposal, or wave your hand and it goes just like that
[14:01] <Myrtti> even if the house burns, the lot is still there
[14:02] <JGJones> Myrtti, aye that's true. A fool and his money are soon parted...
[14:02] <popey> nice house
[14:03] <JGJones> Not my style.
[14:03] <JGJones> But it'll be great for epic parties for sure ;-)
[14:04] <Myrtti> and I thought my first engagement ring was expensive, was about 100€ back in 1999
[14:04] <Myrtti> (Finns have plain bands, for both)
[14:12] <daubers> Myrtti: The engagement ring I got my wife was £35 off ebay.....
[14:13] <Myrtti> looks like the retail price of the ring is 316€ now
[14:16] <DJones> JGJones: This sounds almost as bad as that house http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346857/Britains-expensive-caravan-Which-550-000-includes-kitchen-Italy-iPhone-controlled-heating-Jacuzzi-just-dont-try-taking-anywhere.html
[14:22] <Myrtti> I've come to the conclusion that money is the root of all evil
[14:24] <AlanBell> I always thought it was cats
[14:24] <DJones> Myrtti: Its not so much money that is the root of all evil, I find its the love of money that is more the problem
[14:25] <JGJones> no...it's brussels sprout
[14:25] <AlanBell> cats eating sprouts
[14:25] <JGJones> AlanBell, +1
[14:26] <webpigeon> DJones: when a link takes up three lines, you need to rethink your url naming scheme :P
[14:26] <webpigeon> oh it's daily mail, makes sense then :P
[14:26] <JGJones> webpigeon, it was 6 lines for me :)
[14:26] <JGJones> 1078x768 screen
[14:26] <webpigeon> even worse :P
[14:26] <AlanBell> fits on one line
[14:27] <DJones> Its only 3/4 of a line for me (1920x1024) screen
[14:27] <popey> 80x25 \o/
[14:27] <webpigeon> popey: phone?
[14:27] <popey> nope, pc
[14:27] <popey> just keeping irc over here, nice and quietly
[14:27] <JGJones> DOS terminal :P
[14:27] <popey> black chat
[14:28] <popey> as some call it
[14:29] <davmor2> Myrtti: No surely Evil is the root of all evil and money just manifests it
[14:30] <JGJones> availablity of resource is the root of money
[14:30] <Myrtti> I reiterate
[14:30] <Myrtti> humans are root of all evil
[14:30] <JGJones> But as AlanBell point out, let's not forget the cats.
[14:31] <davmor2> Myrtti: No I've seen evil animals out in the wild they are not at all pleasant :D
[14:31] <gord> cats are the root of all cuddly
[14:31] <bigcalm> \o/
[14:31] <JGJones> The Egyptians knew what they was about
[14:32] <davmor2> gord: that's why they are evil,  you can't stay mad at a cat
[14:32] <webpigeon> I can't find the "evil" button on the calcuator so can't calucate it's root.
[14:33] <webpigeon> gord++
[14:33] <gord> davmor2, no thats just a facet of their amazingness
[14:33] <davmor2> gord: haha
[14:33] <shauno> a rather cunning defence mechanism
[14:34] <davmor2> gord: we can't have pets so we pay for a Cat cabiin at the cats protection center :)  Oh that and pay for some big puddy tats at the WHF too
[14:35] <gord> davmor2, awesome :D
[14:37] <oimon> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8582051/SOCA-warns-broadband-users-over-spy-virus-infections.html
[14:38] <oimon> i wonder if they will be any difference 1 month later
[14:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: howdy
[14:39] <davmor2> oimon: I'm miffed now I'm not one of the 1500
[14:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: i might be, i've not been home yet
[14:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: Howdo lad
[14:40] <diplo> Wrong place to ask but worth a shot, anyone recommend any free windows backup software
[14:41] <diplo> Think my work lappy hdd is failing
[14:42] <MooDoo> diplo: can't you use synctool?
[14:42] <davmor2> diplo: you can use clonzilla to back up the whole drive
[14:42] <MooDoo> diplo: sorry synctoy
[14:42] <diplo> I was debating clonezilla, will look at synctoy MooDoo forgot about that
[14:43] <diplo> Suppose I'll take a little backup of files and then image it
[14:43] <diplo> Work won't buy me a new drive till it fails :/
[14:44] <davmor2> diplo: hahaha standard operating procedure I've lost all my work so you can't have the report
[14:45] <diplo> I'm just committing more often than I normally do at the moment
[14:45] <diplo> :)
[14:46] <diplo> Like to replace the current with an ssd, will have to wait and see I guess
[14:46] <popey> \o/ ssd
[14:46] <MooDoo> o/ ssd :)
[14:47] <webpigeon> \o/ jab.. ssd
[14:50] <Myrtti> does anyone know if Nintendo 3DS power supplies are sold separately at all? I'm trying to look for one (with Euro prods, but that's irrelevant because I seem to fail google-fu even without mentioning euro on the search)
[14:52] <JGJones> I'm just playing with the cherokee webserver...it look pretty good actually
[14:52] <DJones> Myrtti: This type of thing (but you want the 2 pin prongs) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Products-Nintendo-Supply-Charger-Adapter/dp/B004TKPI6I
[14:52] <gord> Myrtti, they use the same as the dsi
[14:52] <bigcalm> Myrtti: http://www.google.co.uk/search?aq=2&oq=nintendo+3ds+power&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=nintendo+3ds+power+supply#q=nintendo+3ds+power+supply&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=shop&ei=_lv7TdbiC4SXhQew1IC1Aw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CB0Q_AUoBA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=7b2359ad80d94401&biw=1282&bih=848
[14:52] <gord> Myrtti, so just look for dsi ones
[14:52] <Myrtti> gord: oh? well that's good
[14:52] <Myrtti> I was getting worried I've lost my touch
[14:53] <DJones> Myrtti: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Mains-Supply-Charger-Adapter/dp/B0027PA2EA
[14:53] <bigcalm> Myrtti: http://www.gamersgear.com/nintendo_dsi_&_dsi_xl_&_3ds_mains_ac_power_supply_charger_adapter
[14:54] <DJones> bigcalm: I suspect thats the same product I'd just picked on, the amazon page I linked goes to gamesgear
[14:54] <JGJones> Myrtti, you should search for Chuck Norris Nintendo 3DS instead. It powers the sun. Therefore no worries about power supplies.
[14:54] <Myrtti> JGJones: :-D
[14:54] <bigcalm> Hehe
[14:55] <gord> i should pick up a second dock for my 3ds. i love that thing
[14:55] <Myrtti> well if the DSi one fits then it's ok, I can go grab one from the shelf
[14:55] <gord> sooo convenient to just throw the 3ds in to the dock
[14:55] <Myrtti> yeah it is nice
[14:55] <Myrtti> I don't really need 3DS but my old device was pink and huge
[14:56] <Myrtti> the original DS, could clob small animals to death with it
[14:56] <Myrtti> not that I tried
[14:56] <diplo> Want to get a 3DS for my son for his birthday
[14:56] <Myrtti> nicer to play Layton on smaller device :->
[14:56] <gord> my cat is obsessed with my 3ds, she just stares at anything thats 3d on it
[14:56] <diplo> Hope they have come down by then
[14:56] <diplo> A little at least :)
[14:57] <Myrtti> I got mine from Stansted airport :->
[14:57] <Myrtti> 158£
[14:57] <gord> not bad, they go for £170-180 normally
[14:57] <gord> price is supposed to rise at some point
[14:58] <davmor2> gord: haha
[14:58] <Myrtti> well I got it 80€ cheaper than I would have here
[14:58] <shauno> speaking of stanstead, what's the easiest airport to fly into to reach oxford by public transport?
[15:00] <AlanBell> heathrow I should think
[15:00] <AlanBell> but there is probably a coach from oxford to other airports
[15:00] <Laney> london oxford airport!
[15:01] <shauno> heh, have a friend who did his training there
[15:02] <JGJones> bugger...what's the quick way to reset the root password of a mysql server?
[15:02] <JGJones> on ubuntu
[15:05] <webpigeon> JGJones: you might be able to do it using dpkg-reconfigure or there is a guide on the mysql site http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/resetting-permissions.html
[15:06] <webpigeon> JGJones: even better, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset
[15:06] <JGJones> webpigeon, thanks
[15:10] <Catbuskris_> anyone able to offer wisdom on why my internal speaker does not want to play nice?
[15:11] <Catbuskris_> i can't get a whisper out of it
[15:11] <Catbuskris_> with echo -e "\a"
[15:12] <Catbuskris_> i had wanted to make a fortran95 beep, but let alone that...
[15:13] <andylockran> howdy
[15:14] <andylockran> I'm running a server-server vpn.. that works great.. connecting a 10.0.0.0/8 subnet to a 192.0.0.0/8 subnet.. that works fine.  however, every machine also connects to their own
[15:14] <gord> Catbuskris_, are you sure you have one?
[15:15] <Catbuskris_> urm yes, i just heard a beep with the program "beep", but why would echo not work?
[15:16] <andylockran> argh.. I can;t even explain my problem
[15:16] <andylockran> is there a way to detect traffic passing through a server on a subnet.. and block it?
[15:16] <andylockran> rather than interface
[15:18] <gord> Catbuskris_, because echo just produces a character, which has to be interpreted by your terminal emulator, which may or may not support talking to your internal speaker
[15:18] <Catbuskris_> aha! reassuring, thanks a lot
[15:26] <shauno> isn't \a a null? I thought the bell was ^g
[15:27] <shauno> oh, apparently \a is the same thing.  didn't know that
[15:28] <shauno> ^a is a null.  silly me expected some correlation
[15:28] <Catbuskris_> how can i get my speaker to listen to terminal, is that possible?
[15:29] <shauno> it's the other way around.  the terminal has to handle the bell
[15:29] <shauno> is it gnome-terminal?  it should be in preferences->sound->system bell
[15:31] <HarryHaaren> Catbuskris: If it should be making noise but isn't perhaps check that "beep" isn't muted in "alsamixer". I always make sure it is :D
[15:31] <Catbuskris_> i'm in ubuntu 11.04, so i guess it's gnome, or unity... i don't really know if they are mutually exclusive
[15:34] <Catbuskris_> but as you might know, "preferences" isn't so easy to find, and alsamixer wasn't installed...
[15:35] <shauno> heh, yeah.  preferences has been cunningly disguised as an off button
[15:39] <Catbuskris_> odd eh?  anyway there is no system bell to be found in sound
[15:41] <shauno> hm.  there used to be :(
[15:44] <Catbuskris_> 11.04 is horrible¬
[16:08] <AlanBell> Catbuskris_: when you log in you can select classic mode using the menu at the bottom of the screen if you are not keen on unity
[16:10] <Catbuskris> it worked :) thanks
[16:10] <AlanBell> try padsp echo -e "\a"
[16:10] <AlanBell> which should route it through pulse audio
[16:11] <shauno> it sends it thru the soundcard rather than the feeper?
[16:12] <AlanBell> ah, yeah, it might do
[16:13] <AlanBell> so the beeper isn't attached to a soundcard as such?
[16:13] <shauno> usually the internal beep is a bios function.  which is why the bios likes to use it when it needs to complain about life at power-on
[16:14] <shauno> that said, I've no idea if XBell() still uses the internal one anymore
[16:14] <AlanBell> that is done with the pcspkr kernel module
[16:18] <Catbuskris> AlanBell, your suggestion gives silence as well :(
[16:43] <DJones> Hmmh, walking on a glass floor, hanging off the side extending the floor over thin air on the 8th floor as dusk falls isn't a good idea
[16:43] <DJones> Wrong channel
[16:43]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski for not being online
[16:45] <Catbuskris> ...mc? defintely wrong channel
[16:45] <ali1234> has anyone got a cheat sheet for writing office macros in vba?
[16:46] <BigRedS> the record button? :)
[16:46] <ali1234> no
[16:46] <ali1234> just no
[16:46] <ali1234> i need to know how to define functions, arrays etc
[16:46] <DJones> Catbuskris: Yep
[16:46] <ali1234> vba has the weirdest syntax i have ever seen
[16:46] <ali1234> it makes perl look good
[16:52] <HarryHaaren> DJones: I read that twice to see if I could make sense of it! :D
[16:52] <BigRedS> perl has awesome syntax. It's everyone else who gets it wrong
[16:54] <HarryHaaren> BigRedS: Is that Larry Wall's nick? :P
[16:55] <dogmatic69> how can i change the host name? ive done sudo hostname <new>
[16:55] <dogmatic69> and rebooted, what is the place to change it
[16:55] <DJones> !hostname
[16:56] <DJones> dogmatic69: Does that info help
[16:56] <dogmatic69> DJones: done
[16:56] <dogmatic69> but not working, ive done this many times before
[16:57] <BigRedS> when you reboot, does /etc/hostname still show the old hostname?
[16:57] <BigRedS> or still contain, rather
[16:57] <dogmatic69> hold on...
[16:57] <dogmatic69> ive never changed hostname
[16:58] <dogmatic69>  /etc/hostname that is
[16:58] <BigRedS> oh, you need to do that
[16:58] <BigRedS> otherwise on boot it'll have the old hostname
[16:58] <BigRedS> :)
[16:58] <dogmatic69> but ive never done it :S and ive got 5 boxes with different hostnames all cloned from one
[16:58] <BigRedS> that's the file the system asks to find out the hostname.
[16:58] <BigRedS> ooh, that's a bit weird
[16:58] <BigRedS> dd-style clone or someting more intelligent?
[16:59] <dogmatic69> because /etc/hostname has ip-x.x.x.x
[16:59] <dogmatic69> i just cloned it from something that does not have hostname ip-x.x.x.x
[16:59] <BigRedS> the downside of dd-style cloning is that the hostname and ip are preserved, I'd expect more intelligent things to automagically account for these
[16:59] <BigRedS> yeah, but how did you clone thenm?
[17:00] <dogmatic69> :S i dont think you want to know
[17:00] <dogmatic69> tar.gz / with a few excludes
[17:00] <BigRedS> ah, cool
[17:00] <madlatvian> hello pome
[17:00] <dogmatic69> and then untar'ed it to /
[17:00] <BigRedS> I'm a fan of hackish solutions :)
[17:00] <dogmatic69> hehe
[17:00] <dogmatic69> got it off the ubuntu forums, works a charm
[17:00] <BigRedS> that is weird, if you included /etc/hostname
[17:00] <madlatvian> hello from Aus
[17:00] <dogmatic69> ye, let me find my notes...
[17:01] <BigRedS> (and it's really not that bad a way of doing it. It's a common way to do dr backups)
[17:03] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: /etc/rc.local :)
[17:03] <dogmatic69> found my notes
[17:05] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: is that the wrong way? it works fine like that
[17:05] <BigRedS> oh, you put a change-hostname script in there?
[17:05] <dogmatic69> adding 127.0.0.1 <hostname> in /etc/hosts fixes the sudo errors mentioned in the bot tell thing
[17:05] <dogmatic69> just hostname <name
[17:05] <dogmatic69> >
[17:09] <gord> really wish websites had a "remember me" option after you log in, that would be nice
[17:11] <brobostigon> gord: some do, identi.ca does, so does FB, so does twitter, so does sixxs.net,
[17:11] <gord> websites i go to then
[17:11] <brobostigon>  iamsure, many more do, aswell.
[17:12] <BigRedS> Doesn't firefox let you effectively do that?
[17:13] <brobostigon> so does chromium,
[17:14] <popey> AlanBell: tuxradar podcast are doing the "you dare us" thing I suggested to them :D
[17:14] <popey> they're going to attempt to install Linux with their eyes shut
[17:19] <Azelphur> popey: nothing special, I know a blind lady who uses Linux and android :)
[17:19] <popey> did she install linux herself?
[17:19] <Azelphur> not sure
[17:20] <Azelphur> probably had aid, I know she makes heavy use of screen readers so I'd guess they wasn't installed early on
[17:20] <Azelphur> although she does have a brail display too, could have used that + an ncurses installer or something
[17:20] <BigRedS> I do wonder with that - might they miss normal mechanisms blind people have come to expect, and instead fail to use whatever they perceive as more sensible?
[17:20] <BigRedS> I've no idea if that'd be a problem
[17:20] <popey> there's quite a few bugs in the gui installer
[17:20] <popey> which would make it near impossible to install for a blind person alone
[17:21] <popey> (on Ubuntu)
[17:29] <AlanBell> there is a plan to fix that for oneiric
[17:30] <AlanBell> Azelphur: try it
[17:31] <AlanBell> there is an Accessibility Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat in 30 minutes or so
[17:31] <AlanBell> with Pendulum
[17:32] <Pendulum> AlanBell: actually, now
[17:32] <AlanBell> oh, right now then
[17:32]  * AlanBell nearly missed it
[17:44] <AlanBell> it would be great if more people could pile over to #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat to ask questions about accessibility
[17:44]  * AlanBell has to go do kids stuff
[17:48] <shauno> with their eyes shut?  just turn off the monitor.  no cheating :)
[18:04] <AlanBell> shauno: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/08/13/going-headless/
[18:04] <AlanBell> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/04/03/jamming-in-the-uk/
[18:14] <shauno> AlanBell: yeah, remember talking about that before, when I managed to install osx without a screen
[18:15] <shauno> I still think it's a bug that their 'use the external screen' button doesn't work until the OS is up, but that's way OT here.  it was an enlightening experience tho
[18:20] <GentileBen> shauno: it's a feature, not a bug.
[18:21] <GentileBen> External monitors done right.
[18:21] <shauno> no it's not :/  the button should do what it claims to
[18:23] <shauno> the one thing I did notice (doing the same 'experiment' on osx) was that the page that just gives you a progress bar, was completely nonsensical
[18:23] <shauno> I rebooted several times at that point to figure out what I'd missed.  I hadn't.  it was just speaking gobeldygook
[18:24] <shauno> interesting to see how the smallest hiccup like that can render the whole process frustrating.  it'd be like if the installer just turned the screen off for half of the gui install
[18:25] <shauno> not even slackware would ship that :/
[18:35] <hamitron> leave slackware alone ;/
[18:36] <gord> you just can't say that anymore without looking like that guy from youtube
[18:52] <czajkowski> davmor2: meh
[19:00] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[19:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: Meh back atcha
[19:01]  * nigelb waves to davmor2 
[19:01] <davmor2> hello nigelb
[19:04] <czajkowski> AlanBell: bumped into the other alan on the tube
[19:05] <bigcalm> Davis?
[19:10] <AlanBell> bigcalm: Lord
[19:10] <AlanBell> czajkowski: London is a small place
[19:10] <davmor2> bigcalm: you really need to direct that at czajkowski hers not hot on the uptake today bless.
[19:11] <AlanBell> czajkowski: all back at home now?
[19:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: was it a Popey?
[19:11] <czajkowski> no or I'd have tabbed popey
[19:12] <czajkowski> but cant tab the other alan
[19:12] <AlanBell> davmor2: my partner in crime
[19:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: in E&C aye
[19:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: it was Alan Sugar
[19:12]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 
[19:12] <czajkowski> not
[19:12] <czajkowski> today
[19:12] <czajkowski> davmor2:
[19:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: :( here have a hug
[19:27] <XenoPhoenix> If KMS is enabled, I have green output on HDMI till I unplug and replug the TV (goes green again if i turn off and on the TV again), disabling modesetting using i915.modeset=0 fixes this issue however it is not a solution as it also disables graphical acceleration. This only occured with natty, no problems before upgrading, Any ideas?
[19:43] <AlanBell> XenoPhoenix: maybe try asking in #ubuntu-x (and wait, it isn't a very active channel)
[19:43] <XenoPhoenix> AlanBell: Ah ok thanks, I didn't know that channel existed :)
[20:05] <pete_> hey guys
[20:05] <cbx33> howz it all going?
[20:06] <cbx33> anyone used vmware on ubuntu11.04?
[20:40] <ali1234> iron python \o/
[20:40] <Azelphur> WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID YOU DO WITH ALI1234
[20:40] <ali1234> "how to script excel without going insane"
[20:41] <Azelphur> that's better :p
[20:41] <ali1234> watching excel churn away while running a script on multiple workbooks with multiple worksheets is quite amusing
[20:42] <MattJ> Anyone know a good PPA for up-to-date ffmpeg builds? (for 10.04)
[21:13] <wintellect> anyone use choqok?
[21:22] <cbx33> so ali1234 what advantages do i get with ironpython?
[23:44] <DeathSling> I really, really need some help with a virtio disk for a ubuntu guest, is there anybody about who can help?
[23:44] <DeathSling> Oh, and 'Hi all'    :)
[23:45] <BigRedS> DeathSling: I probably can't, but we'll never know who can if you don't tell us what the problem is :)
[23:48] <DeathSling> I created it using virt-install and it wasn't using virtio drivers so I've changed them in the guests /etc/fstab to vda and changed the guest xml to virtio. It's runs but disk speed seems even slower and I can make it crash by doing task intensive stuff
[23:49] <DeathSling> without the virtio method i was getting io disk speed of about 5Mbs/5MBs (not sure what it's measued in!)
[23:52] <DeathSling> These are sata disks in a 1+0 raid array. SHOULD be much faster. The really anoying thing is I've managed to get a windows guest running with virtio drivers and it works better than my lovely ubuntu server.  And that should NEVER happen!
[23:53] <DeathSling> I'm guessing that I can't/shouldn't swear here so.... ARRRRGGG feel my sweary rage!!
[23:54] <DeathSling> I feel a bit better now. Thank you for letting me get that of my chest.
[23:56] <DeathSling> I'm also signed into a libvirt chat, but nobody ever responds.  Admittedly I've only tried a fw times now but... it's really quiet there
[23:56] <DeathSling> ...and here
[23:57] <BigRedS> It *is* almost midnight....
[23:57] <BigRedS> :)
[23:57] <DeathSling> ah yes, that is true
[23:59] <BigRedS> but, rather predictably. I'm afrid i'm of little use
[23:59] <BigRedS> I almost exclusively do real hardware...