[00:30] <snap-l> Where's tjagoda when you need him?
[00:30] <snap-l> http://thisismynext.com/2011/06/16/rims-latest-earnings-call-500k-playbooks-shipped-layoffs-coming/
[01:05] <rick_h_> yea, saw an article on how O2 in europe is going to stop carrying the playbook
[01:05] <rick_h_> "lack of customer value" or something
[01:05] <rick_h_> thought of him
[01:06] <snap-l> WEll, they've had the most athetic launch of any tablet I've ever seen
[01:07] <rick_h_> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20071619-260/o2-snubs-playbook-over-customer-experience-issue/
[01:09] <rick_h_> " a cut of 20 to 29 percent."
[01:09] <rick_h_> ouch
[01:09] <snap-l> Yeah, they're getting smoked
[01:11] <rick_h_> dammit, that db moron is taking down the db again, ugh
[01:11] <snap-l> Why?
[01:11] <rick_h_> stupid mysql user defined function (udf)
[01:11] <snap-l> Oh, beauty.
[01:12] <snap-l> That DB guy. :
[01:12] <rick_h_> they keep trying to use it and it still brings down the whole freaking server causing my app (it hosts about 15 dbs on it) to go down
[01:12] <rick_h_> I got the postgresql custom aggregate functions going today, just awesome
[01:12] <rick_h_> SELECT my_own_func(col1) FROM table WHERE x = y GROUP BY z
[01:12] <rick_h_> :)
[01:13] <rick_h_> written in python
[01:13] <snap-l> Yeah, PostgreSQL is awesome.
[01:13] <rick_h_> simply badass
[01:14] <rick_h_> http://blog.bitbucket.org/2011/06/17/pull-request-revamp/ welcome to this decade bitbucket
[01:17] <snap-l> nice
[03:12] <brousch> ah, it's so nice to have a working ffmpeg command line again. i<3ubuntu
[03:22] <snap-l> Yeah, you don't realize how different using Linux vs Darwin is
[03:22] <snap-l> and macports, while it's a nice stopgap, is like using cygwin under windows
[03:22] <snap-l> though not as bad
[03:23] <snap-l> I can still type ls in a mac terminal and get something useful out of it
[03:29] <greg-g> ugh, slow wiki.ubuntu.com, these team reports will be the death of me
[04:47] <snap-l> Linode just gave me an extra 4GB of disk space.
[08:58] <TeamXlink> I'm creating a slide show program for a specific set of files, however the files are named weird. There named as numbers, but each name has six numbers, and the numbers before the first one are 0, for example the first image is 000001.jpg, the second is 000002.jpg, how would I do this, I've tried this: imagestr = 0000000 + 1 & ".jpg" but it removes the 0s and ends up trying to find 1.jpg
[08:58] <TeamXlink> instead of 000001.jpg
[08:59] <TeamXlink> Does anyone know how I would go about doing this?
[09:00] <TeamXlink> Ah, I think I just that of a really redundent reptitive way to do it.
[09:05] <TeamXlink> Sweet, it works, thank you!
[13:06] <greg-g> g'morn, all
[13:09] <Wolfger> morning greg-g
[13:09] <Wolfger> and everybody else, too
[13:09] <brousch> yessir
[13:18] <snap-l> G'morning
[13:21] <rick_h_> morning
[13:28] <snap-l> How are things in happy valley?
[13:30] <greg-g> lovely
[13:33] <snap-l> That good, eh?
[13:36] <greg-g> eh, you know, its a friday
[13:38] <rick_h_> party!
[13:45] <snap-l> Does gib even watch these things?
[13:45] <snap-l> The first video is of a completely different event.
[13:47] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwjNRI83CME
[13:47] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VM_H6jHVDk
[13:50] <brousch> is he wearing the camera on a hat or something?
[13:51] <snap-l> No, it's a little hand-held camera
[13:51] <greg-g> and, not to be vain, but I don't think I'm in them :/
[13:51] <greg-g> and not that I think my presentation was very good, either
[13:51] <brousch> i saw you in the 6 minute video
[13:51] <brousch> but just a second or so
[13:51] <greg-g> yeah
[13:56] <snap-l> Yeah, that's all MUG business.
[13:56] <snap-l> Which is not particularly interesting if you're not at MUG. :)
[13:56] <greg-g> nope :)
[13:57] <rick_h_> snap-l: so are you saying you want to borrow the recording gear for mug next month?
[13:57] <brousch> 240p
[13:58] <brousch> lapelcam?
[13:58] <rick_h_> $20 ebay cam
[14:23] <brousch> oooh, rick_h_ is up next
[14:25] <rick_h_> ruh roh :/
[14:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: Not sure if I'll be there next month
[14:28] <snap-l> JODee talked about going to Weird Al next month
[14:28] <snap-l> same day
[14:28] <greg-g> whoa, nice
[14:28] <rick_h_> greg-g: is a weird al fan?
[14:28] <rick_h_> I didn't see that one coming
[14:29] <snap-l> greg-g is a music fan
[14:29] <snap-l> he's a drummer. We're weird like that
[14:29] <rick_h_> what's that got with liking weird al?
[14:29] <brousch> weird al is one of the 3 concerts i've ever been to
[14:29] <Wolfger> I would love to go to a Weird Al concert
[14:30] <snap-l> It's a hell of a show
[14:30] <rick_h_> :P
[14:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: We can get you a ticket if you want. :)
[14:30] <rick_h_> that's ok
[14:30] <rick_h_> I have a policy against things like that
[14:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: I have a policy against filk
[14:31] <snap-l> but Weird Al transcends filk
[14:31]  * rick_h_ goes and looks up filk
[14:31] <snap-l> He's an honest-to-God parody
[14:32] <snap-l> That, and I want to shoot folk singers on sight
[14:32] <Wolfger> snap-l: even Tom Smith?
[14:33] <snap-l> Wolfger: I haven't heard a lick of his work, and I intend to keep it that way.
[14:33] <Wolfger> The man is pure genius
[14:33] <Wolfger> He is the reason I say I like filk, even though most filk singers I've heard suck.
[14:33] <snap-l> I don't care if he can play slide guitar with his dick, the whole genre doesn't do much for me.
[14:34] <Wolfger> I suspect I really hate filk and like Tom Smith
[14:35] <Wolfger> ...and that is one mental image I really, really didn't need thankyouverymuch
[14:35] <snap-l> On wolfger's recommendation, I may check this out
[14:36] <snap-l> even though Wolfger likes Nickelback. :)
[14:36] <Wolfger> LOL
[14:36] <Wolfger> Next Penguicon, if he's not conflicting with something utterly cool, I urge you to check him out
[14:37] <Wolfger> Or you could safely peruse online, but in a concert is better.
[14:37] <Wolfger> you get the humor, not just the music
[14:37] <snap-l> Just a note of warning too, I'm not a fan of Bob Dylan performing his work
[14:38] <snap-l> he's a hell of a song writer, and I fully approve of all of the covers that I've heard
[14:38] <snap-l> but his performance makes me want to throw up in my mouth
[14:38] <_stink_> snap-l++
[14:40] <snap-l> It's like Yes. I had to get over Jon Anderson's voice to really get into it
[15:01] <jcastro> rick_h_: heh, someone just proposed pep8 fixes for apt-zeroconf
[15:02] <_stink_> yeah, just got that email too
[15:02] <rick_h_> awesome, is that still around?
[15:02] <_stink_> i had no idea
[15:02] <rick_h_> heh
[15:02] <rick_h_> pep8 ftwt!
[15:02] <rick_h_> err ftw!
[15:02] <jcastro> yeah I guess it's just sitting there
[15:08] <jcastro> I'm going to edit the description to say it's up for adoption
[15:27] <snap-l> So, everyone having a good morning so far?
[15:31] <Wolfger> can't complain too much
[15:35] <_stink_> putting off some phone calls
[15:35] <snap-l> _stink_: hurray for procrastination. :)
[15:36] <_stink_> yeah.  a few days here at work with little code and lots of demos, legalese and phone calls.
[15:36] <_stink_> boo.
[15:38] <snap-l> And the enthusiasm for outloud.fm lasted three days. :)
[15:39] <rick_h_> man there's a ton of those out right now
[15:39] <rick_h_> I heard of turntable.fm and another one in the last 48hrs
[15:39] <snap-l> heh
[15:40] <snap-l> Thing is, putting music in a queue is hard work
[15:42] <brousch> yeah, i was opening itunes to find the songs i wanted to add, then had it show them in finder to drag the file out
[15:42] <brousch> ug
[15:47] <jcastro> snap-l: greg-g: I'm back playing tunes
[15:47] <jcastro> in teh channel
[15:48] <snap-l> Listening to Gustav Mahler now. :)
[16:15] <rick_h_> Buy 1 Ebook, Get 1 Free gahhh!
[16:15] <rick_h_> stop haunting me oreilly!
[16:16] <rick_h_> I thought I was good when their deal of the day was a "already got it"
[16:16] <brousch> gotta buy them all!
[16:17] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, the deal of the day is CouchDB
[16:18] <rick_h_> been there done that, but now it's buy any book get one free
[16:18] <rick_h_> well...there's got to be two books I want that I don't have :/
[16:18] <rick_h_> then again, checking out the list of new releases...maybe not
[16:19] <snap-l> eah, don't go there.
[16:19] <snap-l> They're definitely pumping out the good titles now
[16:19] <rick_h_> well maybe the dns/bind ipv6
[16:20] <rick_h_> I keep meaning to poke at that stuff
[16:43] <Wolfger> do they have a LOLscript book yet? ;-)
[16:44] <snap-l> I'm sure they'd publish it if you wrote it
[16:44] <snap-l> And if not them, then Packt will
[16:45] <Wolfger> ...
[16:45]  * Wolfger considers writing a book, just to see how easy the market is...
[16:46] <brousch> self publish
[16:46] <brousch> sell it amazon for $0.99
[16:46] <rick_h_> all the cool kids are doing it
[16:46] <rick_h_> and make it CC, post it on your website
[16:47] <brousch> anyone heard of a book written on github?
[16:47] <brousch> not about
[16:48] <rick_h_> yea, a git book on there
[16:48] <brousch> using github to collaboratively write the book
[16:48] <rick_h_> I follow it
[16:48] <brousch> so there's a git book on github?
[16:48] <brousch> i guess that makes sense
[16:48] <_stink_> is that like bootstrapping a compiler?
[16:48] <rick_h_> https://github.com/cbx33/gitt
[16:49] <brousch> ouch latex
[16:49] <Wolfger> like writing a language in itself
[16:50] <rick_h_> yea, you can fork/make pull requests to help fix parts of the book
[16:50] <_stink_> i love that idea.
[16:51] <jrwren> seroiusly... no PPA with packages for this stuff???  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095
[16:52] <rick_h_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=FFmpeg
[16:52] <rick_h_> take your pick
[16:52] <brousch> i was thinking more along the lines of fiction. contributors would build the fictional world together and branches would have parallel stories
[16:53] <brousch> jrwren medibuntu
[16:53] <rick_h_> well I've not looked for fiction books
[16:53] <rick_h_> but can check it out
[16:54] <brousch> just an idea that occurred to me
[16:54] <jrwren> i'm hesitant to change my ffmpeg package because Its working exactly how I want for some things right now.
[17:06] <jrwren> brousch: nope, no webm in medibuntu
[17:06] <jrwren> http://packages.medibuntu.org/natty/index.html
[17:06] <jrwren> not any ffmpeg either.
[17:16] <snap-l> brousch: There have been experiments where authors continue the story
[17:20] <Wolfger> Well, I just massively decreased my "unread" count in G-reader....
[17:20] <Wolfger> unsubscribe, unsubscribe, unsubscribe....
[17:26] <jcastro> snap-l: laptop is here!
[17:32] <Wolfger> \o/
[17:34] <snap-l> jcastro: Awesome!
[17:42] <Wolfger> Woot. UN declares (narrowly) that gay people are human too... http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/06/17/un.lgbt.rights/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
[17:43] <jrwren> should someone remove garrett from teh group or group email?
[17:47] <snap-l> jrwren: Do you have the ability?
[17:47] <snap-l> I don't think I do
[17:48] <Wolfger> spam link?
[17:48] <snap-l> Yeah
[17:49] <Wolfger> I figured. Just hit archive and continued on
[17:51] <Wolfger> I think greg-g is the only admin
[17:51] <snap-l> Greg! I knew it!
[17:54] <jcastro> man
[17:54] <jcastro> snap-l:
[17:54] <jcastro> the ssd doesn't FIT in the new laptop
[17:54] <jcastro> I need to jiggle stuff
[17:54] <snap-l> Oh FFS
[17:55] <snap-l> Some new form-factor?
[17:55] <snap-l> Also, I'm naming whatever band we come up with "Focus Follows Mouse"
[17:56] <jcastro> I think the drive is thinner
[17:56] <jcastro> but, the intel ssd has a removable cover
[17:56] <jcastro> which I am removing
[17:56] <snap-l> Wonder if it's removable just for that purpose
[17:57] <rick_h_> yea, there are two 'sizes' there
[17:57] <rick_h_> it's stupid but true
[17:57] <rick_h_> so the intel comes with an outer to fill the size of a larger opening
[17:59] <snap-l> Seriously? That's stupid
[17:59] <rick_h_> I think it's 2 vs 3 platter thing
[17:59] <rick_h_> 3 platter 2.5" drives are just a hair thicker
[17:59] <rick_h_> while 2 platter are a hair thinner
[18:00] <rick_h_> and you don't want the drive shaking around in there
[18:02] <snap-l> On the surface that makes sense, but I still don't buy it. :)
[18:02] <Wolfger> stupid? I was thinking "awesome"
[18:02] <Wolfger> stupid that two different sizes exist
[18:02] <Wolfger> awesome that Intel makes one SSD to fit either size
[18:02] <snap-l> Wolfger: You work for chrysler, home of the 10 different air filter sizes.
[18:03] <snap-l> Wolfger: Yes, the Intel work-around is nice.
[18:03] <Wolfger> I mean, as soon as you start talking laptops, throw any concept of "standard" out the window
[18:03] <Wolfger> laptops are more or less by design incompatible with one another
[18:04] <Wolfger> right down to the power brick
[18:05] <snap-l> truth
[18:08] <greg-g> spammer was removed from the list
[18:10] <snap-l> tx, greg-g
[18:18] <jrwren> are you talking 9.5mm v. 12mm 2.5" drives?
[18:18] <jcastro> whatever size the newest intel ssd is
[18:19] <jrwren> 310?
[18:22] <krondor> anyone know much about HP Proliant Support Pack on Ubuntu/Debian?
[18:25] <jcastro> jrwren: 510
[18:26] <jrwren> hrm, it says its 9.4mm
[18:26] <jrwren> strange that it doesn' fit.
[18:26] <jrwren> what drive were you removing?
[18:30] <snap-l> Damn conference calls
[18:48] <snap-l> http://merlyn.posterous.com/oracle-v-google-should-make-people-think-twic
[18:49] <rick_h_> nice of him to catch up to the news from last aug
[18:49] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding
[18:49] <snap-l> thought there was something new
[18:50] <Milyardo> He's also comppletely wrong with his assertion
[18:50] <snap-l> Milyardo: How so?
[18:51] <Milyardo> Oracle can't just sue anyone using Java, Oracle useing Google over a Java implmentation has nothing to do with users of the JVM
[18:54] <snap-l> And this is a problem
[18:54] <snap-l> If someone wanted to re-implement Perl or Python, they're free to do so
[18:55] <Milyardo> And then patent that reimplementation and sue if anyone implments in a similar manner
[18:55] <snap-l> Which is bullshit
[18:56] <Milyardo> It is, but its no more or less than any other Patent dispute
[18:56] <snap-l> That's really where this falls apart
[18:57] <snap-l> I just find it amusing that all of the anti-mono haters are seeing their doomsday scenario play out, but with Oracle / Java as the instigators.
[18:57] <snap-l> afaik, Microsoft hasn't sued anyone over .Net implementation
[18:58] <Milyardo> Where's the doomsday scenario, Google just reimplents dalvik to something not covered by the patents
[18:58] <brousch> yet
[18:58] <Milyardo> probably to something similar to hwo IcedTea works
[18:58] <Milyardo> I guess thats pretty bad
[18:59] <Milyardo> OpenJDK is pretty suck
[19:00] <snap-l> I mean the Mono doomsday scenario
[19:00] <Milyardo> IMO Sun probably would have done the same thing, they weren't too fond of Java forks either, at least ones that change how to language is written
[19:00] <snap-l> that Microsoft would somehow kill mono / Linux because of patents
[19:00] <Milyardo> which Dalvik does
[19:03] <snap-l> Wifi dongle arrived
[19:04] <snap-l> Hah, works right out of the box with Natty.
[19:04] <snap-l> <#
[19:04] <snap-l> <3
[19:05] <Milyardo> Epic Wifi Win
[19:06] <snap-l> Hah
[19:06] <snap-l> Got it on my desktop machine
[19:06] <snap-l> and it connected.
[19:07] <Wolfger> no more Narwhal hate?
[19:07] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/351/
[19:07] <snap-l> Not with a $15 adapter
[19:08] <snap-l> Though I haven't had a problem with wifi and natty
[19:08] <brousch> natty fixed my eeepc wifi that had been broken starting with 9.10
[19:10] <snap-l> It does get insanely hot, though
[19:28] <snap-l> ⚀⚀⚀
[19:28]  * snap-l wonders if we should put in a dice bot
[19:41] <jrwren> Oracle can sue anyone using java. they simply revoke the patent license and sue for patent infringement. they are fere to do this without warning at any time.
[19:42] <snap-l> fere?
[19:43] <jrwren> free.
[19:43] <jrwren> lol.
[19:43] <jrwren> i make tuypes.
[19:43] <jrwren> typoes
[20:29] <binbrain> wonder about the specifics of the patents
[20:31] <rick_h_> thought a judge threw out all but 3 or something
[20:32] <rick_h_> http://androidandme.com/2011/05/news/judge-orders-oracle-to-toss-out-most-of-the-patent-claims-against-google/
[20:33] <Milyardo> Wonder how the judge so many so quickly, were most of them really that irrelevent?
[20:33] <binbrain> so the copyrights aren't a big problem I'm guessing, since those cover specific implementations, no?
[20:33] <rick_h_> well that original thing was aug of last that, that one if from may
[20:33] <rick_h_> it's not like this is all in the last 3wk
[20:35] <Milyardo> "Android is very popular now, and Oracle — just like Microsoft — wants a piece of that action. But instead of making a better product and innovating, companies like Oracle just do what they do best, release their army of lawyers and sue until they get what they want." When was Oracle in competition with Google?
[20:36] <jrwren> (C) is not a problem at all.
[20:36] <jrwren> just stop calling anything "Java" (TM)
[20:37] <jrwren> unless they change their ilcense on (C) stuff
[20:37] <jrwren> ah ehll, I don't know.
[20:37] <snap-l> Milyardo: Oracle gets licenses for all of the phones, iirc
[20:37] <snap-l> So Google making Java phones without paying for Java is anathema to Oracle
[20:38] <snap-l> So, it's not about protecting property, it's all about the Benjamins.
[20:39] <jrwren> always
[20:39] <Milyardo> The quote was implying Orcale was using the lawsuit to stifle competition, which didn't make any sense
[20:39] <jrwren> we are in the dark ages.
[20:39] <jrwren> we need te get to rennasaince
[20:39] <Milyardo> Mircosoft is a competitor
[20:39] <Milyardo> Oracle is not
[20:39] <snap-l> Milyardo: Bullshit
[20:39] <snap-l> Oracle is a competitor
[20:40] <jrwren> oh snap!
[20:40] <snap-l> they bought Sun, and have a dog in making Linux irrelevant
[20:40] <_stink_> oh snap, snap-l!
[20:40] <snap-l> Oracle is as much of a competitor as Microsoft
[20:41] <snap-l> Sun was making inroads into helping FLOSS, but unfortunately at the cost of their own oxygen supply
[20:41] <snap-l> and now we have Oracle, who wants desperately to snuff out a phone market that doesn't have their tech on it
[20:42] <snap-l> and a database market that doesn't have their shit-grinning representatives selling you it
[20:42] <snap-l> and a server market that doesn't have SPARC running it
[20:43] <snap-l> So saying that Oracle isn't a competitor is frankly crap
[20:44] <snap-l> I'm no Microsoft apologist, but they're getting unfairly beaten up for something they haven't done
[20:44] <snap-l> And Oracle is getting a free-pass
[20:46] <Milyardo> I don't see how thats an arguement for establishing Oracle as a Competitor to Google, google sells a mobile phone platform, Oracle sells a JVM, to make thier platform Google made thier own JVM, which for Oracle beilives Googles still owes them money. Google isn't going an relicening Dalvik to Apple, that was would make them a distributor of JVMs on mobile phones and a competitor to Oracle.
[20:47] <Milyardo> *to Apple or any other phone maker
[20:48] <snap-l> Milyardo: How many Android phones are sold nowadays compared with Nokia phones?
[20:48] <snap-l> or Blackberry phones?
[20:48] <rick_h_> 2!
[20:48] <Milyardo> How is that relevent?
[20:48] <snap-l> Each one of those sales is a lost JVM license.
[20:48] <snap-l> That is why they are a competitor
[20:49] <snap-l> Oracle is seeig the Java phone market eroding
[20:50] <snap-l> and the only way they can compete effectively is by trying to kill off the Android platform or make Google pay for the privilege.
[20:53] <Milyardo> Attempting to kill off Android is unlikely Orcales goal, they more are more likely just interested in being paid for liceses to which they believe they are owed
[20:54] <snap-l> I don't see Oracle as being that nuanced, but you're probably right.
[20:55] <Milyardo> Once Google however makes an attempt to sell Dalvik to RIM, then they are a direct competitor to Oracle
[20:55] <Milyardo> which I don't ever see Google doing
[20:56] <snap-l> I think you have an interesting view of competition. :)
[20:59] <jrwren> yeah.
[21:00] <jrwren> " just interested in being paid for liceses to which they believe they are owed"  just like MSFT and TomTom, RIGHT?
[21:02] <snap-l> Yeah, because the FAT filesystem is worthy of patent protection
[21:02] <snap-l> Honestly, I still await the court case that makes software patents completely useless.
[21:11] <greg-g> anyone else had weird panel issues on external monitors with natty, eg: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/73690784/Unity-TopBar-missing.png
[21:11] <greg-g> (my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/798933 )
[21:13] <brousch> greg-g: only when not mirroring
[21:22] <greg-g> brousch: so, your answer is yes :)
[21:37] <jcastro> I opnly get them when mirroring
[21:37] <jcastro> greg-g: that one's fixed, it's in the next set of updates
[21:38] <jcastro> oh no wait, that one's different
[21:39] <jcastro> snap-l: ok done with the new laptop and the swap, as expected windows flips out so I'm going to have to reinstall, I can do that, were you thinking of linking up today?
[21:39] <brousch> i get my second monitor totally black and won't render any windows, but the panel is visible. sometimes on my main monitor there is a black bar about as big as the launcher
[22:09] <greg-g> ugh, self important people
[22:11] <snap-l> I can't hear you over my brilliance.