[00:00] <skellat> Ah.  Was this the disc you grabbed: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[00:00]  * canthus13 will try Lucid for a while...
[00:00] <canthus13> Not sure. I googled ubuntu minimal and grabbed the first ubuntu link.
[00:01] <skellat> Not good
[00:01] <skellat> Google's results are screwy
[00:01] <skellat> The link above is the right one for i386 Natty
[00:01] <skellat> This is the right one for i386 Lucid: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[00:03] <canthus13> I'm gonna grab both and try again.. I have nothing better to do here at work... :)
[00:03] <Cheri703> skellat: I'm going to be starting (no estimated finish time at the moment) a rewrite of some of the website stuff
[00:04] <Cheri703> making it more inviting, putting some links to good resources on there
[00:04] <Cheri703> also I think we're going to try to have a meeting at some point
[00:05] <skellat> Let me know if the podcast feed breaks
[00:05] <skellat> Initially we tried to use Ubuntu One in hosting such...and it didn't work...
[00:05] <Cheri703> kk
[00:06] <skellat> Be aware that the podcast has a somewhat okay home set up on gpodder.net but not in the iTunes Music Store
[00:08] <canthus13> Cheri703: Got psychocats listed in the resources?
[00:09] <Cheri703> that wasn't necessarily the direction of the resources I was thinking of, but I can put together support resources as well, and yeah, I've used that site a lot :)
[00:10] <canthus13> It'd be nice to have that, and some sort of bot to help with support issues.
[00:11] <skellat> canthus13: What sort of bot?  Certainly not something like @x11r5@identica.ca...
[00:17] <canthus13> Nah. Something like ubottu.
[00:18] <skellat> What is ubottu?
[00:18] <canthus13> Something that can spit factoids for beat-to-death support issues.
[00:18] <canthus13> skellat: The bot in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic (And others, I'm sure...)
[00:26] <skellat> And apparently the CNET people got a taste of what we deal with in flaky hardware at Erie Looking Productions: http://www.cnet.com/8301-19709_1-20071788-10/buzz-out-loud-1491-the-lost-episode-podcast/?tag=mncol;txt
[00:55] <canthus13> Hmm... I wonder if home folder encryption is causing Natty to crash in vm...
[00:55] <canthus13> It's certainly insalling much quicker on this user, which doesn't use home folder encryption...
[00:56] <canthus13> Of course, this could simply mean that it'll crash faster.
[01:14] <Cheri703> firefox bogs down horribly sometimes
[01:14] <Cheri703> not really sure why
[01:14] <Cheri703> it's really frustrating
[01:15] <Cheri703> if I close it and re-open, it usually is happier
[01:19] <canthus13> Hrm.
[01:19] <canthus13> Odd.  I rarely have it do that... How many tabs do you typically have open?
[01:22] <Cheri703> uhm, I have like 4 that are pinned app tabs
[01:22] <Cheri703> and then whatever other stuff I'm doing
[01:23] <Unit193> skellat: Welcome back yet again!
[01:23] <skellat> Hello
[01:24] <skellat> Had to do some cookin'
[01:24] <Unit193> Did you make me any?
[01:24] <skellat> Nope
[01:24] <skellat> Cheese Blintz don't transmit well over the interwebitubes
[01:26] <skellat> Besides, would there be an RFC for such transmission?
[01:28] <canthus13> Bah. it installed... but now it won't boot. :/
[01:28] <canthus13> It just hangs at a black screen...
[01:29] <skellat> canthus13: What won't boot?  Natty?  Lucid?  Fred?
[01:29] <canthus13> Natty.
[01:29] <canthus13> It installed without freaking out, though.
[01:30] <canthus13> Which is an improvement...
[01:30] <skellat> How about Lucid?
[01:32] <Cheri703> bah, was just reminded of something I hated about chromium -_- each tab has a separate thing in system monitor...might be useful for some people, but not me
[01:32] <skellat> Evil though it may be, I use Opera
[01:33] <Cheri703> main reason I stick to firefox is that I like my add-ons...
[01:33] <Cheri703> it just bogs down horribly sometimea
[01:33] <Cheri703> *sometimes
[01:34] <canthus13> Might be an addin that's doing it.
[01:34] <canthus13> skellat: I'm about to try that next.
[01:34] <Cheri703> don't think so
[01:35] <skellat> Firefox does such wonderful prefetching that it messes things up royally.  Opera doesn't do that...
[01:36] <canthus13> skellat: I think that the home folder encryption on my other account is what was causing natty to crash during install.. It installed much faster on this account.
[01:37] <skellat> canthus13: debian-installer and encryption don't play together nicely
[01:38] <canthus13> skellat: So I noticed... :/  Older versions did it just fine, though.
[01:38] <canthus13> Bah. Lucid is just hanging at a blue screen... :/
[01:39] <skellat> canthus13: Give it a minute.  There is a bit of a lag in debian-installer at the start while it is bad touching most of the system innards to see what is there
[01:40] <canthus13> I've *never* had so much trouble with virtualbox. :(
[01:42] <skellat> canthus13: Should qemu be risked?
[01:42] <canthus13> Never used it...
[01:43] <Cheri703> canthus13: vmware player may be an alternate
[01:43] <canthus13> No disk activity.. net activity...
[01:43] <Cheri703> I kept having trouble with vbox, but vmware player has always been smooth for me
[01:43] <canthus13> Massive proc usage.
[01:43] <canthus13> Cheri703: Do you happen to know what the command is to launch vmware player?
[01:44] <Cheri703> uhm, I installed it from a .bundle file
[01:44] <Cheri703> or something
[01:44] <Cheri703> it's a bash command I think
[01:44] <skellat> whereis vmware
[01:44] <Cheri703> install or run?
[01:45] <canthus13> I have it installed... I just don't know the command, and I'm in openbox, and I don't have the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink menu set up in this account.
[01:45] <skellat> Or, shoot for "what-provides" if you've got bikeshed installed
[01:45] <Cheri703> oh, ok, hang on
[01:45] <Cheri703> /usr/bin/vmplayer
[01:49] <canthus13> Bah. what's the escape key?
[01:49] <canthus13> Never mind. found it. :)
[01:49] <canthus13> Hmm.. It's not likeing DHCP.
[01:58]  * canthus13 gives up, uses NAT instead of bridged mode. :(
[01:58] <Cheri703> mine works fine
[02:01] <canthus13> Do you use bridged mode?
[02:03]  * Cheri703 checks
[02:04] <Cheri703> yes, bridged
[02:04] <Cheri703> and ctrl-alt releases the mouse/keyboard
[02:05] <Cheri703> vmware has been 99% painless for me
[02:05] <canthus13> Hrm. Dunno why it couldn't get an address... bridged works fine in vbox. :/
[02:05] <Cheri703> it just works
[02:05] <Cheri703> *shrug* try again?
[02:05] <canthus13> I tried several times, gave up.. for what I'm doing, NAT will work fine.
[02:06] <Cheri703> ok
[02:20] <canthus13> Meh.  Natty hangs in VMware too.
[02:23] <Cheri703> that's just natty being dumb :)
[02:42] <canthus13> Trying Lucid in vmware now...
[03:03] <canthus13> Woohoo. Lucid booted.
[03:07] <Cheri703> \o/
[03:22] <skellat> canthus13: Did it live through boot-up?
[03:45] <skellat> Yes!  Cheri703 is posting to Identica!
[03:45] <Cheri703> heh, I know I know
[03:45] <Cheri703> I keep forgetting to open up tweetdeck
[03:47]  * Cheri703 has added a launcher so it will be in the "open after restart" pile
[03:47] <skellat> I'm using Pidgin for such.  IRC in one tab and Identica's XMPP bot in another.
[03:49] <Cheri703> skellat: Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Phoenix
[03:49] <Cheri703> ;)
[03:50] <Cheri703> well, I have one twitter, 2 identica, and fb...
[03:50] <Cheri703> and I couldn't find anything that could support ALL of them, except tweetdeck
[03:50] <skellat> UUCP: Unix to Unix Copy
[03:50] <Cheri703> I know
[03:50] <Cheri703> :)
[03:51] <skellat> Fundamentals of primitive networking help build the multi-layer cake that is the OSI model
[03:52] <Cheri703> nice
[03:54] <Unit193> I could just follow via RSS...
[03:54] <skellat> Follow what?
[03:57] <Cheri703> Unit193: I've done that in the past
[04:01] <skellat> Ah, if you're following me on Identica...I'm #95 in terms of biggest blabber-mouths
[04:02] <Unit193> skellat: Nope... I'm not following Cheri703 either
[04:02] <Cheri703> heh, I've not actually followed anyone on there >.> I have some people following me, but...I will look at it soon
[04:02] <Cheri703> so many things I need to do >.< and I did NONE of them today
[04:03] <skellat> You can find the Top 100 blabbermouths here: http://macno.org/denticator/
[04:04] <Cheri703> someone suggest a movie for me to watch
[04:05]  * Cheri703 is in the mood for a movie
[04:05] <skellat> "Queen of Outer Space"...it is on TCM at the moment
[04:07] <Cheri703> meh, something newer rather than older ideally /me has no cable
[04:09] <skellat> Umm...Spaceballs?
[04:10] <Cheri703> meh
[04:12] <ronnoc> hi all
[04:13] <ronnoc> Cheri703: Belated congrats!!!
[04:13] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[04:13] <Cheri703> and hi
[04:14] <ronnoc> What's new in U-Land? :)
[04:14] <Cheri703> skellat is trying to help me pick a movie to watch
[04:14] <skellat> And failing
[04:14] <Cheri703> sorry :)
[04:14] <ronnoc> ahhh. hmmm...
[04:15] <skellat> It is okay
[04:15] <ronnoc> Monty Python's Meaning Of Life! :p
[04:15] <Cheri703> nah, not in the mood for that sort of comedy (though monty python is great)
[04:16] <ronnoc> Actually I just watched the old Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns tonight. And yea, MP is legendary
[04:16] <Cheri703> heh
[04:17] <skellat> Wow, that was a 17 minute cold open
[04:20] <ronnoc> I also recently watched Eat, Pray, Love which is SO not like me
[04:20] <ronnoc> but it wasn't bad. lol.
[04:20] <Cheri703> hehe
[04:23] <skellat> Some days I wish there were a BOFH movie
[04:24] <Cheri703> bofh?
[04:31] <skellat> Mr. Travaglia's creation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOFH
[04:35] <skellat> Things like this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/26/megalomania_trade_the_board_game/
[14:45]  * Unit193 doesn't like the morning...
[14:59] <canthus13> Unit193: It's not *That* bad....
[15:00] <Unit193> canthus13: Sleep time = 5am-6:30am
[15:26] <canthus13> Heh. should sleep earlier. :)
[15:27] <Unit193> I did try...
[15:29] <Unit193> Playful Piranha is the new name ;)
[15:29] <canthus13> Well, at least that's a little better...
[15:58] <canthus13> Hmm... Slim? Or lightdm?
[15:59] <Unit193> I kinda like lightdm, but slim isn't so bad either...
[15:59] <Unit193> (Needs a good theme)
[18:29] <canthus13> Meh.  I'm not liking what the vmware additions do to the fonts... :/
[18:29] <canthus13> freaking huge, like I'm blind. :(
[19:04] <Cheri703> I don't know what vmware is doing on your computer, but mine never does any weird stuff at all
[19:29] <canthus13> Cheri703: It's inside the VM that it's being weird.. might be something with openbox because vmware isn't expecting openbox... It behaves fine, but the fonts in the terminal are huge, even though the font settings are set to 8-point.
[19:32] <canthus13> ...Hmm. actually, I think it's just gtk stuff that's huge. this didn't happen 'til installing the vmware extensions. *shrug* It's just a test environment.. I can live with it.
[19:34] <canthus13> Eee.. and it ate all the tasktray icons. :/  the programs are still running, but still...
[19:35] <canthus13> Ah. it's a bug with the display driver in vmware.
[19:36] <canthus13> vmware also occasionally breaks mouse clicks and keybindings in openbox... I've had it happen a few times when transitioning from the virtual machine to the host.
[19:37] <canthus13> ...but at least it runs and I can get a little work on this project done. :)
[19:38]  * canthus13 has posted a basic setup on the loco forum.