| valorie | akgraner: you've had a lot on your plate | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| valorie | you focussed on what was most important | 00:06 |
| akgraner | valorie, yep I've retired the overachiever, super hero wanna be cape...using it as a table clothe now ;-P | 00:07 |
| valorie | that's awesome | 00:08 |
| valorie | we need more examples of that | 00:08 |
| valorie | heading off burnout, etc. | 00:08 |
| akgraner | I don't need to prove anything to anyone I only need to the best I can, when I can, and with the tools I have..... | 00:09 |
| valorie | good for you! | 00:09 |
| akgraner | oh and knowing when to get out of your own way is important too - sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow, and sometimes you gotta know when to get out of the way (even when it's your own way) | 00:10 |
| akgraner | I'm not able to be online often (no one should be subjected to me when I am on my pain meds) though it would be a hilarious conversation I am sure | 00:11 |
| valorie | lol | 00:12 |
| akgraner | but it's getting all sorta out :-) | 00:12 |
| akgraner | how have you been? | 00:12 |
| valorie | I've been good | 00:13 |
| akgraner | seems like forever since I chatted with you | 00:13 |
| valorie | just got back from a sprint in Switzerland | 00:13 |
| valorie | which was AWESOME | 00:13 |
| akgraner | (or anyone else for that matter) | 00:13 |
| akgraner | I bet | 00:13 |
| akgraner | good for you! | 00:13 |
| akgraner | glad you had a great time | 00:13 |
| valorie | now I need to plan for the trip to Berlin for the desktop summit | 00:13 |
| valorie | got sponsorship, which is totally cool | 00:13 |
| akgraner | awesome! | 00:14 |
| akgraner | I have to figure out how I am getting to OSCON | 00:14 |
| akgraner | etc | 00:14 |
| valorie | OSCON is easy -- I drive | 00:14 |
| akgraner | but I'm sure that will work out as well | 00:14 |
| akgraner | haha | 00:14 |
| akgraner | I wish I could | 00:14 |
| valorie | there is one of the linuxchix who is looking for a roomie | 00:14 |
| akgraner | I gotta fly and find a hotel room ect | 00:15 |
| valorie | shall I forward her email to her? | 00:15 |
| akgraner | oh please | 00:15 |
| valorie | to YOU, I mean | 00:15 |
| akgraner | yep | 00:15 |
| valorie | to which email? | 00:15 |
| akgraner | akgraner@ubuntu.com is fine | 00:15 |
| valorie | are you coming to CLS too? | 00:15 |
| akgraner | I want too | 00:15 |
| valorie | ok, searching for it now so I don't forget | 00:15 |
| akgraner | guess it depends on if I do what I am told and let my knee heal | 00:16 |
| akgraner | I'm speaking at OSCON this year | 00:16 |
| akgraner | and my prior funding had fallen through | 00:16 |
| Cheri703 | either of you guys coming out for OLF? | 00:16 |
| akgraner | thanks valorie | 00:17 |
| valorie | sent | 00:17 |
| valorie | alison chaiken is the one looking for a roomie | 00:17 |
| akgraner | Cheri703, I want to but again depends on funding and if Pete will be home to stay with the kids | 00:17 |
| valorie | I would have to get sponsorship to come to OLF | 00:17 |
| Cheri703 | understandable | 00:17 |
| valorie | and for that I would need to do a talk, I guess | 00:17 |
| Cheri703 | well, I've made the offer to a few people, no idea who/how many will take me up on it, but if you're willing to be an hour away and carpool down, my couch/yard/floor are available for sleeping arrangements :) | 00:18 |
| Cheri703 | I have a tent :) | 00:18 |
| valorie | although maybe I could could squeek it in, since I had sponsorship for both Switzerland and Berlain | 00:18 |
| akgraner | valorie, I'm really enjoying seeing you making your mark on the FOSS world | 00:18 |
| valorie | that is nice to hear! | 00:18 |
| valorie | I particularly liked talking to the two gnome devels at the Randa sprint | 00:19 |
| akgraner | Actually I am enoying watching everyone's successes | 00:19 |
| valorie | and hope to do more gnome/kde networking | 00:19 |
| akgraner | hopefully I'll get back to bloging more | 00:19 |
| akgraner | writing for the online sites, the print mags, and doing the book just burned me out for a while on writing for the fun of writing | 00:20 |
| valorie | Cheri703: that is generous, but it seems worthwhile to stay close -- and it's fun to share | 00:20 |
| valorie | yeah, I was asked to do a book | 00:20 |
| valorie | but no | 00:20 |
| valorie | not now | 00:20 |
| valorie | well, participate, not be the sole author | 00:21 |
| akgraner | valorie, it's fun but can be really time consuming | 00:21 |
| valorie | also, a google recruiter tried to recruit me for tech writing | 00:21 |
| Cheri703 | yeah, it's a bit of a hike, but I'll be going down each day (at least that's the current plan), so *shrug* we'll see how it works out :) | 00:21 |
| akgraner | sweet | 00:21 |
| valorie | I told her I would pass along her info for anyone who wants a google tech-writing job | 00:21 |
| akgraner | Cheri703, if I end up going I'll let you know....I'm sure I'll have room for someone | 00:22 |
| valorie | Cheri703: any chance we could get a few women to share a room, and include you?\ | 00:22 |
| Cheri703 | kk | 00:22 |
| Cheri703 | maybe | 00:22 |
| Cheri703 | :) | 00:22 |
| valorie | at LFNW, they include breakfast in the price of the room | 00:22 |
| Cheri703 | there are a few youngsters in my area who are interested in attending, so carpooling is a way to get them to the event too :) | 00:23 |
| valorie | and that usually was lunch for me too - took an apple, yogurt and roll for the lunch, ate the eggs onsite, etc. | 00:23 |
| valorie | that's cool too | 00:23 |
| valorie | long drive every day though | 00:23 |
| valorie | time I would be using for sleeping! | 00:23 |
| Cheri703 | yeah, I've done it before, used to go the other way before I'd moved | 00:23 |
| valorie | when is OLF? | 00:25 |
| valorie | oh, so: anyone interesting in Google tech-writing, talk to me | 00:26 |
| akgraner | well need to run for a while... chat with you all again laters | 00:28 |
| maco | akgraner: itnet7 said he wasnt really up for doing an Ubuntu SC table there again given how lead-balloon-ish it went over last year | 00:33 |
| maco | i suggested he shouldve taken email addies down for a mailing list last year to try to get it going | 00:33 |
| maco | of course, i suggested it a year too late :P | 00:33 |
| akgraner | yeah - many volunteers didn't show up and it was in a crapy location | 00:33 |
| akgraner | next year will rock.. I am sure | 00:34 |
| maco | valorie: itd have to be a keynote to get any travel money out of OLF | 00:34 |
| maco | valorie: they have enough money to rent the venue, to not have internet access, and to pay for flight/hotel for 2 people | 00:35 |
| maco | (the 2 keynotes) | 00:35 |
| valorie | to NOT have internet access? | 00:35 |
| maco | right | 00:36 |
| maco | because net access would add $7000 to the operating costs | 00:36 |
| valorie | wow | 00:36 |
| maco | so unless they magically get a sponsor to pony up $7K for net access... | 00:37 |
| valorie | that's one cool thing about LFNW -- I don't think they pay much for the venue | 00:37 |
| valorie | and I think the sponsors do pick up the net access | 00:37 |
| valorie | which of course isn't awesome, but does work | 00:37 |
| maco | is there an entrance fee at LFNW? | 00:37 |
| valorie | no | 00:38 |
| maco | either theyve got a crackload of sponsors or theyve got a very affordable venue | 00:38 |
| valorie | it's held at a community college | 00:38 |
| maco | oh yeah, cheap venue then | 00:38 |
| maco | OLF is at the citywide convention center | 00:38 |
| valorie | I think some of the teachers are part of the group putting it on | 00:38 |
| valorie | 'spensive | 00:38 |
| maco | also > 1200 people | 00:39 |
| maco | can't go much smaller at that size | 00:39 |
| valorie | right, although a CC on a weekend, you could just use a lot of classrooms | 00:39 |
| maco | last year they were able to work out a deal for like $1000 to have some tiny number of IP addresses that way vendors could have access | 00:39 |
| maco | er....but then youd need to have like 20 tracks at once | 00:40 |
| valorie | and the student center for the merchants and such tables | 00:40 |
| maco | its not like the classrooms all attach together and can be joined into one room capable of holding 500 people | 00:40 |
| valorie | LFNW is more like 500 people, I guess | 00:40 |
| valorie | not sure | 00:40 |
| valorie | this year they gave out badges, so maybe they'll have more of a handle on attendence | 00:41 |
| maco | OLF is talking about charging like $10 if you show up without having pre-registered this year | 00:41 |
| maco | dunno if they're going to do it | 00:41 |
| maco | but SURPRISE! makes organizing harder | 00:41 |
| valorie | indeed | 00:42 |
| pleia2 | ok, so I set up http://uw.princessleia.com/MyWiki/ | 03:59 |
| pleia2 | (sorry for the awful MyWiki bit, but I doubt it's worth the effort to change ;) | 03:59 |
| pleia2 | I didn't copy over much data, just enough to get a general idea | 04:00 |
| pleia2 | now I just need web gurus to help me fix the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org | 04:00 |
| pleia2 | let me know if you want to help, I'll get you sorted with a login and walk you through | 04:01 |
| maco | i'm up fora try | 04:01 |
| pleia2 | yay! | 04:02 |
| maco | ooh actually, i should see if annalee'd like to help. she made a lovely website for her wedding | 04:03 |
| nigelb | I'm for a try too. | 04:04 |
| pleia2 | thanks nigelb, setting some stuff up and then I'll get you a login | 04:19 |
| pleia2 | ok, I have a plan for doing this testing now :) | 04:34 |
| pleia2 | for folks who don't want to help with CSS, if you could check out http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/NewWikiTheme and review the new theme on the active wiki and submit bugs to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org that would be awesome | 04:55 |
| pleia2 | (or you can just mention/discuss bugs here) | 04:55 |
| nigelb | pleia2: can you check the edit bar with my theme | 04:57 |
| nigelb | Not sure if it looks better or worse now. | 04:57 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: I like it | 04:57 |
| nigelb | orango and aubergine on hover | 04:58 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: we should touch base with an accessibilty person to confirm it's all good though | 04:58 |
| nigelb | oh, ok | 04:58 |
| nigelb | pleia2: and refresh for space between content and right bar | 05:00 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: oh that's much, much better | 05:00 |
| nigelb | :) | 05:01 |
| pleia2 | maybe close it in a bit more? | 05:01 |
| nigelb | refresh :) | 05:02 |
| pleia2 | yeah I like that | 05:02 |
| pleia2 | does anyone happen to have a link to the theme elky originally did that AlanBell based this wiki theme on? | 05:02 |
| nigelb | pleia2: what's the bug about header and footer merging? http://uw.princessleia.com/MyWiki/Test looks "okay" | 05:07 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: Header is an include, I added it, refresh | 05:09 |
| nigelb | aha | 05:09 |
| pleia2 | I don't know whether it's actually a theme thing or something we can fix by editing Header and Footer | 05:10 |
| pleia2 | but now that I look at it, tableclass="footer" controls everything, so that would be the theme | 05:11 |
| pleia2 | and <tableclass="rightcolumn"> | 05:12 |
| nigelb | the actual fix for it is that the div in which that table is enclosed needs a clear:both | 05:12 |
| nigelb | It works when I apply hat fix in firebug | 05:12 |
| nigelb | but, I don't know how to do it on moinmoin | 05:12 |
| * nigelb digs further | 05:12 | |
| pleia2 | hrm, my wiki doesn't have RecentChanges | 05:25 |
| nigelb | pleia2: is there supposed to be a python file with the theme? | 05:32 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: it's at /srv/lib/uw.princessleia.com/data/plugin/theme/nigel-ubuntuwomen.py | 05:32 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: do you need to be able to edit it? | 05:32 |
| nigelb | pleia2: not for now | 05:33 |
| nigelb | I just want to read it | 05:33 |
| pleia2 | k | 05:33 |
| pleia2 | I just gave it to you anyway | 05:33 |
| pleia2 | :) | 05:33 |
| pleia2 | might need an apache reload to work though, I dunno | 05:33 |
| nigelb | :) | 05:35 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: I'd also like to have a look at elky's original idea for all of this so I can compare | 05:45 |
| nigelb | the problem is tables :| | 05:45 |
| * pleia2 didn't expect to get much done tonight - progress so far is good! | 05:45 | |
| nigelb | heh | 05:46 |
| nigelb | 2 bugs fixed! | 05:46 |
| pleia2 | we'll catch up with elky and AlanBell to help with the bugs :) | 05:46 |
| pleia2 | and the 3rd is easy, just copying some images and committing them | 05:46 |
| * pleia2 gets the easiest bug \o/ | 05:46 | |
| pleia2 | ;) | 05:46 |
| * nigelb high-fives pleia2 | 05:46 | |
| pleia2 | ^5 | 05:47 |
| pleia2 | sorry it took me so long to get this set up | 05:47 |
| pleia2 | I do wonder why the theme on our wiki now has "Ubuntu Women" in big black letters at the top | 05:48 |
| nigelb | I didn't realize some of them were easy | 05:48 |
| nigelb | part of the theme I guess | 05:48 |
| pleia2 | well it's not like that on mine | 05:48 |
| nigelb | hrm | 05:50 |
| nigelb | Its coming from the logo | 05:50 |
| nigelb | pleia2: somewhere on prod wiki, logo_string has been set | 05:51 |
| nigelb | sadly, all I can find is http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration | 05:52 |
| pleia2 | ah | 05:52 |
| pleia2 | ok, I'll take a look at that tomorrow and see if I can replicate on the test wiki | 05:54 |
| nigelb | :) | 05:54 |
| nigelb | I'm off to wwork, catch you all in a few | 05:54 |
| pleia2 | thanks for your help! | 05:55 |
| nigelb | np :) | 05:57 |
| nigelb | AlanBell: ping | 16:35 |
| nigelb | AlanBell: need a bit of help with the wiki themeing. | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: ah logo_string was it, it's now showing up on the test wiki too | 17:07 |
| pleia2 | still don't know why RecentChanges and the help docs don't exist though | 17:08 |
| nigelb | pleia2: I suspect there's a macro for recent changes | 17:08 |
| pleia2 | yeah, no luck finding how to add that yet, it should "just work" | 17:09 |
| nigelb | pleia2: works now :-) | 17:10 |
| * nigelb added manualy | 17:10 | |
| nigelb | I have an item on my things to do tonigh for the wiki, so I'll try to get that footer problem fixed. | 17:11 |
| nigelb | ooh, which reminds me. | 17:11 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: oh, thanks :) | 17:11 |
| nigelb | Pendulum: Do you have a few minutes to test a change I made to the UW theme in the test bed? | 17:11 |
| nigelb | (Some time today, not necessarily now) | 17:11 |
| Pendulum | nigelb: yeah, I'll have time later (but not now because I'm getting ready for the a11y Q&A) | 17:12 |
| nigelb | Pendulum: cool, ping me when you're free and I'll let you know what to do :-) | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | hmm, this wiki uses /img/moin-diff.png for the RecentChanges page, but the one we have installed on the canonical server uses /img/u-diff.png | 17:15 |
| Pendulum | nigelb: is this part of your attempting to turn me into a web developer? | 17:15 |
| pleia2 | Pendulum: we need a11y review :) | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | no webdev | 17:16 |
| nigelb | heh | 17:16 |
| Pendulum | pleia2: ah, okay. makes more sense :) ( nigelb has just been working on it with me & summit, so never know...) | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | (well, we need webdev too, but not from people who don't want to do it!) | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | haha | 17:16 |
| Pendulum | hey, I can say I've contributed code to something now! :) | 17:16 |
| pleia2 | yeah :) | 17:17 |
| nigelb | Pendulum: Mike and I've had talks about summit and LD. | 17:18 |
| nigelb | I'm sticking wwith LD because it really has only me. | 17:18 |
| nigelb | erm summit | 17:18 |
| nigelb | LD has 4 people constantly behind it. | 17:18 |
| pleia2 | one of them should fix time zones :D | 17:18 |
| * pleia2 runs | 17:18 | |
| nigelb | yeah, Mike's on it :) | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | that's good | 17:19 |
| nigelb | Timezone is really hard really. Because of DST coming into the picture. | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | I know | 17:19 |
| pleia2 | but having it working is vital for what LD is | 17:19 |
| nigelb | Yeah, its nice that stub (who wrote pytz) hangs around ubuntu channels (he works for C) | 17:20 |
| pleia2 | why? | 17:20 |
| nigelb | because there's someone who's solved this problem before. | 17:21 |
| nigelb | I had to do this all over again at work. | 17:21 |
| nigelb | DST is the singular messed up concept ever :| | 17:22 |
| pleia2 | isn't there a website where you can view what your page looks like in IE? | 17:42 |
| maco | browsershots | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | thank you :) | 17:42 |
| nigelb | I'm not going anywhere near IE bugs :-) | 17:43 |
| pleia2 | oh dear, this site takes a while | 17:43 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: that's ok, we still need to test it though | 17:44 |
| nigelb | pleia2: yeah, we'll probably need to fix a few issues too. | 17:44 |
| nigelb | I hate doing it, but yeah, we gotta do it. | 17:44 |
| maco | i actually have a windows vm at work | 17:45 |
| maco | want me to take imagebin? | 17:45 |
| pleia2 | I have an XP license so I'm trying to bring up the VM now | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | oh dear, our .png files need work | 17:48 |
| pleia2 | how do you make transparent pngs not suck in windows? | 17:49 |
| maco | you don't | 17:49 |
| maco | well | 17:49 |
| maco | i think you can get some javascript to make windows support them? | 17:50 |
| maco | its something ridiculously stupid like that | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | :\ | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | "Why only versions 5.5 & 6? Because Windows IE versions prior to 5.5 do not support the filter which fixes the PNG problem, and version 7 (not yet released at the time of writing in January 2006) is reported to have fixed the issue entirely." | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | ok, so maybe I need a newer browser | 17:50 |
| maco | same site i just hit | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | this is IE 6 | 17:51 |
| nigelb | pleia2: really, we shouldn't go as far low as IE6. | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | do XP users user IE 7 now? do we care about IE 6? | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: ok thanks :) | 17:51 |
| nigelb | Most companies don't support IE6 anymore. | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | ok cool | 17:51 |
| maco | even microsoft is trying to kill off IE6 | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | how do I make my XP use IE7? | 17:51 |
| nigelb | Google recently stopped IE7 too, but I think we should support it IE7 | 17:51 |
| nigelb | pleia2: service pack I guess | 17:51 |
| nigelb | or update | 17:51 |
| nigelb | actually, install IE8, and install developer tools extension | 17:52 |
| maco | they had an ad in drupalcon's booklet apologising to web devs for the hell of ie6 | 17:52 |
| nigelb | that should give you IE8 + IE7 | 17:52 |
| pleia2 | ugh, I don't know how to upgrade this | 17:52 |
| pleia2 | ah, clicking on one of the shields | 17:53 |
| pleia2 | no, that is just to turn on automatic updates | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: do you have a link to the dev toolbar? installing 3rd party things in windows scares me | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | I don't want to install the wrong one and make a mess of everything | 18:00 |
| pleia2 | pngs look fine in ie8 | 18:00 |
| nigelb | pleia2: yeah, let me grab it for you :) | 18:00 |
| nigelb | pleia2: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=95e06cbe-4940-4218-b75d-b8856fced535 | 18:01 |
| nigelb | its from microsoft, not third party :) | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | oh good, thank you | 18:01 |
| nigelb | They sometimes do good things for web devs | 18:02 |
| pleia2 | gosh, we are so spoiled by apt :) | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | ok, how do I make this show it to me in IE7? | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | (you can tell me to go away if you want, I'll figure it out eventually :)) | 18:04 |
| nigelb | can you see the toolbar? | 18:04 |
| nigelb | (I'm quoting from memory, so its slightly flaky) | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 18:04 |
| nigelb | There's somewhere it says IE8 Mode | 18:04 |
| nigelb | clicking on that should give you other options | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | there are compatibility modes | 18:05 |
| nigelb | I think one of them | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | oh wait, it's in the developer tools popup thingy | 18:06 |
| nigelb | aha | 18:06 |
| pleia2 | ok, it's kinda yucky in IE7, but not so bad as IE6 | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | I don't want to work on this now, but it's good to know I can check it and tackle it at some point, thanks nigelb :) | 18:07 |
| nigelb | pleia2: Np :) | 18:07 |
| nigelb | pleia2: I think I know how to fix IE7 problems. IE6 ones are harder. | 18:08 |
| pleia2 | the biggest 7 one I see is the mouseover buttons at the top are poorly formatted | 18:08 |
| nigelb | I need to install IE. | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | cut off on top and bottom, and wrap annoyingly | 18:09 |
| nigelb | I'm just pondering VM vs wine. | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | created http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices | 23:31 |
| pleia2 | for now it's just stuff from my FCM article back in 2008 | 23:31 |
| pleia2 | so we'll want to add more, and reach out to teams that have been successful attracting more women (like Vancouver, BC) | 23:32 |
| valorie | that is a GREAT start, pleia2 | 23:32 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 23:33 |
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