[00:06] akgraner: you've had a lot on your plate [00:06] you focussed on what was most important [00:07] valorie, yep I've retired the overachiever, super hero wanna be cape...using it as a table clothe now ;-P [00:08] that's awesome [00:08] we need more examples of that [00:08] heading off burnout, etc. [00:09] I don't need to prove anything to anyone I only need to the best I can, when I can, and with the tools I have..... [00:09] good for you! [00:10] oh and knowing when to get out of your own way is important too - sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow, and sometimes you gotta know when to get out of the way (even when it's your own way) [00:11] I'm not able to be online often (no one should be subjected to me when I am on my pain meds) though it would be a hilarious conversation I am sure [00:12] lol [00:12] but it's getting all sorta out :-) [00:12] how have you been? [00:13] I've been good [00:13] seems like forever since I chatted with you [00:13] just got back from a sprint in Switzerland [00:13] which was AWESOME [00:13] (or anyone else for that matter) [00:13] I bet [00:13] good for you! [00:13] glad you had a great time [00:13] now I need to plan for the trip to Berlin for the desktop summit [00:13] got sponsorship, which is totally cool [00:14] awesome! [00:14] I have to figure out how I am getting to OSCON [00:14] etc [00:14] OSCON is easy -- I drive [00:14] but I'm sure that will work out as well [00:14] haha [00:14] I wish I could [00:14] there is one of the linuxchix who is looking for a roomie [00:15] I gotta fly and find a hotel room ect [00:15] shall I forward her email to her? [00:15] oh please [00:15] to YOU, I mean [00:15] yep [00:15] to which email? [00:15] akgraner@ubuntu.com is fine [00:15] are you coming to CLS too? [00:15] I want too [00:15] ok, searching for it now so I don't forget [00:16] guess it depends on if I do what I am told and let my knee heal [00:16] I'm speaking at OSCON this year [00:16] and my prior funding had fallen through [00:16] either of you guys coming out for OLF? [00:17] thanks valorie [00:17] sent [00:17] alison chaiken is the one looking for a roomie [00:17] Cheri703, I want to but again depends on funding and if Pete will be home to stay with the kids [00:17] I would have to get sponsorship to come to OLF [00:17] understandable [00:17] and for that I would need to do a talk, I guess [00:18] well, I've made the offer to a few people, no idea who/how many will take me up on it, but if you're willing to be an hour away and carpool down, my couch/yard/floor are available for sleeping arrangements :) [00:18] I have a tent :) [00:18] although maybe I could could squeek it in, since I had sponsorship for both Switzerland and Berlain [00:18] valorie, I'm really enjoying seeing you making your mark on the FOSS world [00:18] that is nice to hear! [00:19] I particularly liked talking to the two gnome devels at the Randa sprint [00:19] Actually I am enoying watching everyone's successes [00:19] and hope to do more gnome/kde networking [00:19] hopefully I'll get back to bloging more [00:20] writing for the online sites, the print mags, and doing the book just burned me out for a while on writing for the fun of writing [00:20] Cheri703: that is generous, but it seems worthwhile to stay close -- and it's fun to share [00:20] yeah, I was asked to do a book [00:20] but no [00:20] not now [00:21] well, participate, not be the sole author [00:21] valorie, it's fun but can be really time consuming [00:21] also, a google recruiter tried to recruit me for tech writing [00:21] yeah, it's a bit of a hike, but I'll be going down each day (at least that's the current plan), so *shrug* we'll see how it works out :) [00:21] sweet [00:21] I told her I would pass along her info for anyone who wants a google tech-writing job [00:22] Cheri703, if I end up going I'll let you know....I'm sure I'll have room for someone [00:22] Cheri703: any chance we could get a few women to share a room, and include you?\ [00:22] kk [00:22] maybe [00:22] :) [00:22] at LFNW, they include breakfast in the price of the room [00:23] there are a few youngsters in my area who are interested in attending, so carpooling is a way to get them to the event too :) [00:23] and that usually was lunch for me too - took an apple, yogurt and roll for the lunch, ate the eggs onsite, etc. [00:23] that's cool too [00:23] long drive every day though [00:23] time I would be using for sleeping! [00:23] yeah, I've done it before, used to go the other way before I'd moved [00:25] when is OLF? [00:26] oh, so: anyone interesting in Google tech-writing, talk to me [00:28] well need to run for a while... chat with you all again laters [00:33] akgraner: itnet7 said he wasnt really up for doing an Ubuntu SC table there again given how lead-balloon-ish it went over last year [00:33] i suggested he shouldve taken email addies down for a mailing list last year to try to get it going [00:33] of course, i suggested it a year too late :P [00:33] yeah - many volunteers didn't show up and it was in a crapy location [00:34] next year will rock.. I am sure [00:34] valorie: itd have to be a keynote to get any travel money out of OLF [00:35] valorie: they have enough money to rent the venue, to not have internet access, and to pay for flight/hotel for 2 people [00:35] (the 2 keynotes) [00:35] to NOT have internet access? [00:36] right [00:36] because net access would add $7000 to the operating costs [00:36] wow [00:37] so unless they magically get a sponsor to pony up $7K for net access... [00:37] that's one cool thing about LFNW -- I don't think they pay much for the venue [00:37] and I think the sponsors do pick up the net access [00:37] which of course isn't awesome, but does work [00:37] is there an entrance fee at LFNW? [00:38] no [00:38] either theyve got a crackload of sponsors or theyve got a very affordable venue [00:38] it's held at a community college [00:38] oh yeah, cheap venue then [00:38] OLF is at the citywide convention center [00:38] I think some of the teachers are part of the group putting it on [00:38] 'spensive [00:39] also > 1200 people [00:39] can't go much smaller at that size [00:39] right, although a CC on a weekend, you could just use a lot of classrooms [00:39] last year they were able to work out a deal for like $1000 to have some tiny number of IP addresses that way vendors could have access [00:40] er....but then youd need to have like 20 tracks at once [00:40] and the student center for the merchants and such tables [00:40] its not like the classrooms all attach together and can be joined into one room capable of holding 500 people [00:40] LFNW is more like 500 people, I guess [00:40] not sure [00:41] this year they gave out badges, so maybe they'll have more of a handle on attendence [00:41] OLF is talking about charging like $10 if you show up without having pre-registered this year [00:41] dunno if they're going to do it [00:41] but SURPRISE! makes organizing harder [00:42] indeed [03:59] ok, so I set up http://uw.princessleia.com/MyWiki/ [03:59] (sorry for the awful MyWiki bit, but I doubt it's worth the effort to change ;) [04:00] I didn't copy over much data, just enough to get a general idea [04:00] now I just need web gurus to help me fix the bugs at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org [04:01] let me know if you want to help, I'll get you sorted with a login and walk you through [04:01] i'm up fora try [04:02] yay! [04:03] ooh actually, i should see if annalee'd like to help. she made a lovely website for her wedding [04:04] I'm for a try too. [04:19] thanks nigelb, setting some stuff up and then I'll get you a login [04:34] ok, I have a plan for doing this testing now :) [04:55] for folks who don't want to help with CSS, if you could check out http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/NewWikiTheme and review the new theme on the active wiki and submit bugs to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org that would be awesome [04:55] (or you can just mention/discuss bugs here) [04:57] pleia2: can you check the edit bar with my theme [04:57] Not sure if it looks better or worse now. [04:57] nigelb: I like it [04:58] orango and aubergine on hover [04:58] nigelb: we should touch base with an accessibilty person to confirm it's all good though [04:58] oh, ok [05:00] pleia2: and refresh for space between content and right bar [05:00] nigelb: oh that's much, much better [05:01] :) [05:01] maybe close it in a bit more? [05:02] refresh :) [05:02] yeah I like that [05:02] does anyone happen to have a link to the theme elky originally did that AlanBell based this wiki theme on? [05:07] pleia2: what's the bug about header and footer merging? http://uw.princessleia.com/MyWiki/Test looks "okay" [05:09] nigelb: Header is an include, I added it, refresh [05:09] aha [05:10] I don't know whether it's actually a theme thing or something we can fix by editing Header and Footer [05:11] but now that I look at it, tableclass="footer" controls everything, so that would be the theme [05:12] and [05:12] the actual fix for it is that the div in which that table is enclosed needs a clear:both [05:12] It works when I apply hat fix in firebug [05:12] but, I don't know how to do it on moinmoin [05:12] * nigelb digs further [05:25] hrm, my wiki doesn't have RecentChanges [05:32] pleia2: is there supposed to be a python file with the theme? [05:32] nigelb: it's at /srv/lib/uw.princessleia.com/data/plugin/theme/nigel-ubuntuwomen.py [05:32] nigelb: do you need to be able to edit it? [05:33] pleia2: not for now [05:33] I just want to read it [05:33] k [05:33] I just gave it to you anyway [05:33] :) [05:33] might need an apache reload to work though, I dunno [05:35] :) [05:45] nigelb: I'd also like to have a look at elky's original idea for all of this so I can compare [05:45] the problem is tables :| [05:45] * pleia2 didn't expect to get much done tonight - progress so far is good! [05:46] heh [05:46] 2 bugs fixed! [05:46] we'll catch up with elky and AlanBell to help with the bugs :) [05:46] and the 3rd is easy, just copying some images and committing them [05:46] * pleia2 gets the easiest bug \o/ [05:46] ;) [05:46] * nigelb high-fives pleia2 [05:47] ^5 [05:47] sorry it took me so long to get this set up [05:48] I do wonder why the theme on our wiki now has "Ubuntu Women" in big black letters at the top [05:48] I didn't realize some of them were easy [05:48] part of the theme I guess [05:48] well it's not like that on mine [05:50] hrm [05:50] Its coming from the logo [05:51] pleia2: somewhere on prod wiki, logo_string has been set [05:52] sadly, all I can find is http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration [05:52] ah [05:54] ok, I'll take a look at that tomorrow and see if I can replicate on the test wiki [05:54] :) [05:54] I'm off to wwork, catch you all in a few [05:55] thanks for your help! [05:57] np :) [16:35] AlanBell: ping [17:02] AlanBell: need a bit of help with the wiki themeing. [17:07] nigelb: ah logo_string was it, it's now showing up on the test wiki too [17:08] still don't know why RecentChanges and the help docs don't exist though [17:08] pleia2: I suspect there's a macro for recent changes [17:09] yeah, no luck finding how to add that yet, it should "just work" [17:10] pleia2: works now :-) [17:10] * nigelb added manualy [17:11] I have an item on my things to do tonigh for the wiki, so I'll try to get that footer problem fixed. [17:11] ooh, which reminds me. [17:11] nigelb: oh, thanks :) [17:11] Pendulum: Do you have a few minutes to test a change I made to the UW theme in the test bed? [17:11] (Some time today, not necessarily now) [17:12] nigelb: yeah, I'll have time later (but not now because I'm getting ready for the a11y Q&A) [17:13] Pendulum: cool, ping me when you're free and I'll let you know what to do :-) [17:15] hmm, this wiki uses /img/moin-diff.png for the RecentChanges page, but the one we have installed on the canonical server uses /img/u-diff.png [17:15] nigelb: is this part of your attempting to turn me into a web developer? [17:16] Pendulum: we need a11y review :) [17:16] no webdev [17:16] heh [17:16] pleia2: ah, okay. makes more sense :) ( nigelb has just been working on it with me & summit, so never know...) [17:16] (well, we need webdev too, but not from people who don't want to do it!) [17:16] haha [17:16] hey, I can say I've contributed code to something now! :) [17:17] yeah :) [17:18] Pendulum: Mike and I've had talks about summit and LD. [17:18] I'm sticking wwith LD because it really has only me. [17:18] erm summit [17:18] LD has 4 people constantly behind it. [17:18] one of them should fix time zones :D [17:18] * pleia2 runs [17:19] yeah, Mike's on it :) [17:19] that's good [17:19] Timezone is really hard really. Because of DST coming into the picture. [17:19] I know [17:19] but having it working is vital for what LD is [17:20] Yeah, its nice that stub (who wrote pytz) hangs around ubuntu channels (he works for C) [17:20] why? [17:21] because there's someone who's solved this problem before. [17:21] I had to do this all over again at work. [17:22] DST is the singular messed up concept ever :| [17:42] isn't there a website where you can view what your page looks like in IE? [17:42] browsershots [17:42] thank you :) [17:43] I'm not going anywhere near IE bugs :-) [17:43] oh dear, this site takes a while [17:44] nigelb: that's ok, we still need to test it though [17:44] pleia2: yeah, we'll probably need to fix a few issues too. [17:44] I hate doing it, but yeah, we gotta do it. [17:45] i actually have a windows vm at work [17:45] want me to take imagebin? [17:47] I have an XP license so I'm trying to bring up the VM now [17:48] oh dear, our .png files need work [17:49] how do you make transparent pngs not suck in windows? [17:49] you don't [17:49] well [17:50] i think you can get some javascript to make windows support them? [17:50] its something ridiculously stupid like that [17:50] :\ [17:50] "Why only versions 5.5 & 6? Because Windows IE versions prior to 5.5 do not support the filter which fixes the PNG problem, and version 7 (not yet released at the time of writing in January 2006) is reported to have fixed the issue entirely." [17:50] ok, so maybe I need a newer browser [17:50] same site i just hit [17:51] this is IE 6 [17:51] pleia2: really, we shouldn't go as far low as IE6. [17:51] do XP users user IE 7 now? do we care about IE 6? [17:51] nigelb: ok thanks :) [17:51] Most companies don't support IE6 anymore. [17:51] ok cool [17:51] even microsoft is trying to kill off IE6 [17:51] how do I make my XP use IE7? [17:51] Google recently stopped IE7 too, but I think we should support it IE7 [17:51] pleia2: service pack I guess [17:51] or update [17:52] actually, install IE8, and install developer tools extension [17:52] they had an ad in drupalcon's booklet apologising to web devs for the hell of ie6 [17:52] that should give you IE8 + IE7 [17:52] ugh, I don't know how to upgrade this [17:53] ah, clicking on one of the shields [17:54] no, that is just to turn on automatic updates [18:00] nigelb: do you have a link to the dev toolbar? installing 3rd party things in windows scares me [18:00] I don't want to install the wrong one and make a mess of everything [18:00] pngs look fine in ie8 [18:00] pleia2: yeah, let me grab it for you :) [18:01] pleia2: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=95e06cbe-4940-4218-b75d-b8856fced535 [18:01] its from microsoft, not third party :) [18:01] oh good, thank you [18:02] They sometimes do good things for web devs [18:03] gosh, we are so spoiled by apt :) [18:03] ok, how do I make this show it to me in IE7? [18:04] (you can tell me to go away if you want, I'll figure it out eventually :)) [18:04] can you see the toolbar? [18:04] (I'm quoting from memory, so its slightly flaky) [18:04] yeah [18:04] There's somewhere it says IE8 Mode [18:04] clicking on that should give you other options [18:05] there are compatibility modes [18:05] I think one of them [18:06] oh wait, it's in the developer tools popup thingy [18:06] aha [18:07] ok, it's kinda yucky in IE7, but not so bad as IE6 [18:07] I don't want to work on this now, but it's good to know I can check it and tackle it at some point, thanks nigelb :) [18:07] pleia2: Np :) [18:08] pleia2: I think I know how to fix IE7 problems. IE6 ones are harder. [18:08] the biggest 7 one I see is the mouseover buttons at the top are poorly formatted [18:09] I need to install IE. [18:09] cut off on top and bottom, and wrap annoyingly [18:09] I'm just pondering VM vs wine. [23:31] created http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/BestPractices [23:31] for now it's just stuff from my FCM article back in 2008 [23:32] so we'll want to add more, and reach out to teams that have been successful attracting more women (like Vancouver, BC) [23:32] that is a GREAT start, pleia2 [23:33] thanks :)