[13:31] <scott-work> ubuntu is one of the most awesomess distributions on the face of the planet
[13:31] <scott-work> but i can't understand why the wiki performs so poorly and frustratingly
[13:39] <holstein> scott-work: im glad its not just me
[13:41] <charlie-tca> um, they did give it a new update yesterday... Now it takes a LOT longer to log in
[13:44] <scott-work> i wanted to edit one of the pages i use to plan releases
[13:44] <scott-work> i have to log in again
[13:44] <scott-work> i log in again
[13:44] <scott-work> it takes me to the wiki.ubuntu.com home page
[13:45]  * scott-work scratches his head thinking it didn't do that before
[13:45] <scott-work> i click my bookmark to take me to my release planning page
[13:45] <scott-work> it tells me i have to log in again
[13:45] <scott-work> -> infinite cycle
[13:45] <scott-work> holstein: i was rereading the OSM blog and rediscovered abgate, the lv2 plugin that is a noise gate
[13:46] <holstein> yeah, i routinely get an error message when i save
[13:46] <scott-work> i wanted to add it to the seeds for oneiric when i make the other changes
[13:46] <scott-work> weird...after three tries, now i can go to this page and edit it :)
[13:47] <astraljava> Yeah, that wiki SUCKS!
[13:50] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I got the same nonsense logging in
[13:50] <charlie-tca> The improvement appears to be another step backwards
[13:50] <charlie-tca> At least before it took me to the page I wanted after login
[13:52] <holstein> maybe its just outgrown itself
[13:52] <holstein> the amount of users/pages
[13:54] <charlie-tca> I haven' t seen any other moinmoin wiki so slow though
[13:54] <charlie-tca> I think it has more to do with Ubuntu/Canonical changes that don't quite work
[14:11] <scott-work> i didn't think the wiki worked well before, and it seems to be working less well now
[14:11] <scott-work> :(
[14:12] <astraljava> Yeah. Are the powers that be not using it at all?
[14:12] <scott-work> i wouldn't think this should be a scalability issue
[14:12] <scott-work> s/should/should NOT
[14:12] <astraljava> Or is no-one just complaining about it?
[14:13] <scott-work> unless they have an old P3 with 512M memory in a cupboard is being used for the wiki ;)
[14:13] <charlie-tca> tried filing bugs against it?
[14:14] <scott-work> i haven't filed a bug for this specific item at this point
[14:14] <charlie-tca> I have; it results in " we are working on it, but it takes a while to get the changes approved" 
[14:14] <scott-work> but i believe i have seen a bug about the wiki being so slow before and with all the errors
[14:14] <astraljava> *rolls eyes*
[15:12] <falktx> hi there
[15:22] <scott-work> hi falktx 
[15:22] <falktx> hey scott-work
[15:22] <scott-work> i tried the menu dilliwhopper again last night
[15:23] <scott-work> i rebooted and the menu looked the same
[15:23] <scott-work> i even checked to see that ubuntustudio-menu was installed, which it was
[15:23] <scott-work> should i install other ubuntustudio packages?
[15:23] <scott-work> should i start with ubuntu studio install and then add xfce on top of it?
[15:24] <falktx> hm....
[15:25] <falktx> scott-work: the menu looked exactly the same? like no audio p. menu at all ?
[15:25] <scott-work> correct
[15:25] <scott-work> i did not see an audio submenu
[15:26] <scott-work> and of course ardour, qjackctl,hydrogen, rakarrack were all in multimedia
[15:26] <scott-work> falktx: there is possibly another issue
[15:27] <scott-work> when i have tested installing ubuntustudio packages on top of a vanilla ubuntu install i needed to add a "other menu" widget to the panel
[15:27] <scott-work> this gave me the ubuntustudio menu for that install (which was still on gnome2)
[15:27] <scott-work> in fact i could have an icon for the vanilla ubuntu menu and the ubuntu studio menu on the same panel
[15:28] <scott-work> could this be a similar situation?
[15:28]  * scott-work had looked before for an additional menu widget to add to the panel but didn't find one
[15:29] <falktx> scott-work: please test the us-menu with my patch and see if this is fixed
[15:30] <falktx> scott-work: oh, the ISO script is kinda working now:
[15:30] <falktx> http://kxstudio.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=kxstudio/kxstudio;a=blob_plain;f=scripts/kxstudio-create-iso;hb=master
[15:31] <falktx> scott-work: I had some disk issues so I was unable to complete the ISO (kernel img went 0 size...)
[15:31] <scott-work> falktx: will do (test with patch)
[15:32] <scott-work> falktx: are you saying that i should try the script and that you expect it to work for me?
[15:32] <falktx> scott-work: it should be able to create a basic iso right now, not sure...
[15:33] <falktx> I was able to build the filesystem.fs, but because of that kernel thing it failed to create the boot
[15:33] <falktx> hm, let me try it again...
[16:02] <falktx> scott-work: the iso script is pretty much finished, I only need to add the auto-creation of the needed files for boot menu
[16:03] <falktx> like boot.cfg, etc
[16:21] <scott-work> falktx: super sweet!  in the next couple of weeks i'll be sending you some money via paypal :)
[16:22] <falktx> scott-work: no hurry, I'm still testing this
[17:12] <falktx-work> scott-work: the script is working!
[17:12] <falktx-work> just some final details and it will be complete
[17:12] <falktx-work> I'm amazed how I got this working so fast...
[17:13] <falktx-work> scott-work: I'm rebuilding the squashfs now, I'll let you know how it goes
[18:29] <astraljava> So is anyone here actually running natty at the moment?
[18:31] <holstein> astraljava: i have test installs
[18:31] <holstein> i DL'd xubuntu 11.10 last nite, and tried it live on my netbook
[18:31] <astraljava> holstein: But are you running it right now?
[18:31] <holstein> there was a nasty bug with the wifi card on this box and 11.04, and that seems to be sorted out :)
[18:32] <holstein> astraljava: nah, but i can boot in if you need
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Mine is oneiric
[18:32] <holstein> i can be in it in 4 minutes
[18:32] <astraljava> holstein: I wouldn't ask that of you. I'm just amazed that in my setup, there's no possibility of saving the currently running applications in Startup Applications.
[18:33] <astraljava> This is a ubuntu vanilla install with all ubuntustudio packages.
[18:34] <holstein> astraljava: is there anything like that normally?
[18:34] <astraljava> Could something have messed up the original install, or has it been removed completely?
[18:34] <holstein> i see an option when shutting xubntu down
[18:34] <astraljava> holstein: Yeah there was at least in 10.10.
[18:34] <astraljava> But I haven't installed vanilla 11.04 on anything else, and I didn't check before I installed ubuntustudio packages.
[18:35] <holstein> astraljava: wheres the option and i'll check
[18:35] <astraljava> System | Preferences | Startup Applications
[18:35] <holstein> im just watching 'short circuit' and about to run out for a sandwich
[18:35] <astraljava> There should be some tab where you could save them.
[18:35] <astraljava> Haha. :D
[18:36] <astraljava> I just had a pizza. :D
[18:36] <holstein> OH yeah... i see that option in 10.04
[18:36] <holstein> ive never used it though...
[18:37]  * holstein checks natty
[18:37] <holstein> astraljava: yeah, that tab is gone now it seems
[18:37] <holstein> interesting
[18:38] <holstein> i actually didnt install any of the meta packages on here either
[18:38] <holstein> just JACK and ardour and some others
[18:39] <charlie-tca> astraljava: that is in settings -> Session and Startup in Xubuntu
[18:39] <holstein> thats from both classic and unity
[18:39] <holstein> charlie-tca: still there in 11.10 for you?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> May have gone with appearance settings in Unity, though
[18:39] <charlie-tca> yes, Xubuntu 11.10 has that
[18:40] <holstein> well, its moved or taken out in gnome and unity :/
[18:40] <charlie-tca> You can also right click the panel, click panel, click logoff and mark it there
[18:40] <charlie-tca> right, gnome/unity removed several thing
[18:41] <astraljava> holstein: Thanks!
[18:41] <astraljava> Damn, that's a loss.
[18:41] <holstein> right?
[18:41] <holstein> thats odd i think
[18:41] <holstein> size maybe?... or unity integration i guess
[18:42] <charlie-tca> You can't find what used to be system -> Preferences -> Appearance either now in unity
[18:42] <holstein> yeah :/
[18:42] <holstein> growing pains, at least i hope its growth
[18:43] <holstein> alright... lunch... BBL
[18:55] <scott-work_> charlie-tca: how did you install your oneiric?  i couldn't get the vanilla ubuntu to work
[18:55]  * scott-work_ is wondering if he should have finished the backscroll before asking the question
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I used the Xubuntu alpha1 image
[18:58] <charlie-tca> I did not use Ubuntu's image, cause it drags in too much of Gnome
[19:04]  * scott-work_ will be install xubuntu this weekend on his development machine :)
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Keep in mind, we haven't had a good image for over a week now
[21:22] <holstein> yeah, i was using xubuntu alpha1 too