| ochosi | hey everyone, feel free to check the latest version of greybird | 00:13 |
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| ochosi | i changed a few (mostly small) things | 00:13 |
| ochosi | but it'd still be good to get some feedback | 00:13 |
| ochosi | get it here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird | 00:13 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: is that in Oneiric yet? | 01:08 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: no, not that i know of | 01:12 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: but you can test the pre-release (which makes it easier to change stuff for me) | 01:13 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, I will try | 01:13 |
| Unit193 | I'll start testing again once they get a working CD... | 01:16 |
| ochosi | thanks guys | 01:18 |
| ochosi | most important thing is to find inconsistencies/bugs for the moment | 01:18 |
| ochosi | basically the theme is stable, but a few points could still be improved | 01:19 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: download v2.1? | 01:36 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: just pull the latest version from git. the 2.1 tag was created already a while ago (i only create git version tags with "major" changes) | 01:41 |
| charlie-tca | hm, the white on lighter gray is harder to read, at least in thunar | 01:53 |
| charlie-tca | Thunar highlights the selection, in lighter gray, using white text. | 01:53 |
| charlie-tca | Either the white has to be darker, or the gray needs to be darker | 01:54 |
| knome | awwhhh: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Xubuntu-linux-unoffical/184449754904337 | 09:37 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: why not, I thought it was unmaintained upstream though. | 10:06 |
| knome | hey mr_pouit | 10:06 |
| mr_pouit | hey knome | 10:09 |
| knome | just read omg!ubuntu and i already feel like my brain are melting | 10:11 |
| micahg | hi mr_pouit | 10:15 |
| micahg | 2011-05-28: Released version 0.1.8. | 10:15 |
| micahg | which we even have in oneiric :) | 10:15 |
| micahg | been two years between releases | 10:17 |
| mr_pouit | yup, I read that | 10:18 |
| mr_pouit | ok, so I can replace evince by epdfview in the seeds | 10:20 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: k, sounds good, I guess if people complain, we can always switch back | 10:21 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: Looks like no Alt or Live CDs for today. I can't help the rest of this week as I will be in a place with only dial-up | 12:58 |
| charlie-tca | The image we got is broken again/still. | 13:06 |
| astraljava | :( | 13:06 |
| astraljava | Looks to be a Ubuntu Studio weekend for me, then. | 13:06 |
| Unit193 | And no log for Live | 13:06 |
| charlie-tca | Note (The image); can count them on one finger today | 13:06 |
| Unit193 | I have the log location (that you linked me) bookmarked on this browser | 13:07 |
| charlie-tca | hm, with the new wiki improvements, login is taking very long | 13:37 |
| charlie-tca | and preferences are reverted to defaults | 13:40 |
| charlie-tca | I wonder if I am still subscribed to any pages? | 13:40 |
| Unit193 | I got python errors... | 13:46 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: you said something about selection-colors yesterday, what were you referring to specifically? treeview-rows? elements in an icon-view? | 13:50 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: the highlight | 13:51 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: hightlight of what | 13:51 |
| charlie-tca | it is a reverse color, gray with white text in thunar, email, everything | 13:51 |
| charlie-tca | the line that shows what is selected at any time | 13:52 |
| ochosi | ok, so the treeview-hightlight/selection is not contrasty enough for you? | 13:52 |
| charlie-tca | might be a blue with white text | 13:52 |
| ochosi | yep, it's blue | 13:52 |
| ochosi | in fact i just turned the selected_bg_color a tad (really just a very tiny bit) brighter | 13:52 |
| charlie-tca | When I look in thunar detail view, there is my selection highlighted. The background the text is displayed on is too bright | 13:52 |
| charlie-tca | The tad was enough. It makes the white unreadable now | 13:53 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: are you around? | 16:19 |
| charlie-tca | yes and no | 16:21 |
| charlie-tca | in a meeting, but go ahead./ | 16:21 |
| ochosi | k, is the selection here more readable for you? http://imagebin.org/158748 | 16:22 |
| knome | yummy :) | 16:23 |
| ochosi | i'm considering switching from dark-bg and bright-font in selections to the opposite | 16:23 |
| ochosi | it would give a lighter feel to greybird as a whole | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | If the object of the highlight is to see the text, no | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | it still is harder to see than the other text | 16:24 |
| charlie-tca | instead of lighter, go for better readability? | 16:24 |
| ochosi | not sure the two are mutually exclusive | 16:25 |
| ochosi | i just wanted to know whether this is readable enough, if not i'll just continue tweaking | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca | try darkening the background? | 16:25 |
| ochosi | i'd rather try the opposite, i'll post another screener in a few secs | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca | lighter gray with black is good, if the background is dimmed some | 16:25 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's the idea | 16:25 |
| charlie-tca | Any way to make the white background a bit offwhite/blue/something? | 16:27 |
| ochosi | yeah, i can make it a tad greyer/darker | 16:28 |
| ochosi | that'd make it look softer | 16:29 |
| ochosi | update: http://imagebin.org/158750 | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | What about making the text blacker? | 16:34 |
| charlie-tca | looks like grey on grey now? | 16:34 |
| ochosi | it's blue on blue, but with a lot of contrast already, the dark blue is close to black | 16:35 |
| charlie-tca | it makes the text harder to read | 16:35 |
| ochosi | everything that's not black-on-white or white-on-black is potentially hard/er to read | 16:36 |
| ochosi | ideally it would be good to read and look good | 16:36 |
| charlie-tca | the white on blue we used in Natty is good | 16:36 |
| ochosi | yeah, i can always get back to that | 16:36 |
| charlie-tca | should be able to go black on the blue highlighter for good readability | 16:36 |
| ochosi | but i'd prefer to try something new before | 16:37 |
| charlie-tca | what if you changed the background (try a different shade of blue, maybe, with less gray in it) | 16:38 |
| ochosi | oretty black now: http://imagebin.org/158751 | 16:39 |
| charlie-tca | better | 16:40 |
| charlie-tca | sorry to be so difficult. | 16:40 |
| ochosi | that's ok ;) | 16:40 |
| ochosi | i mean if we find out that this idea doesn't work, i'll drop it | 16:40 |
| ochosi | but i think i'll reduce a few contrasts, e.g. make the progress-bars and the button-prelights a bit lighter | 16:41 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, I can test it | 16:42 |
| charlie-tca | But you know I don't run high-quality monitors and video cards, right? | 16:42 |
| charlie-tca | makes the low contrast much harder to use | 16:42 |
| ochosi | mhm, that might be partly why it's so hard for you to read the stuff | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | but that should be true for most users, too, shouldn't it? | 16:43 |
| charlie-tca | what about a slight tint of the entire white background? | 16:43 |
| ochosi | you mean something like this? http://imagebin.org/158755 | 16:45 |
| ochosi | (this is a different theme now, but it uses a greyish base color) | 16:46 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, maybe not as much tint, but something to make the glare go down from a full white screen on a normal monitor. | 16:47 |
| ochosi | something like this? http://imagebin.org/158757 | 16:50 |
| ochosi | (we might have to change the scrollbar style if we darken this too much) | 16:50 |
| charlie-tca | I think so, I would not darken it more than that | 16:53 |
| charlie-tca | Might even go lighter on it. It only needs like 232 gray | 16:53 |
| ochosi | http://imagebin.org/158761 | 16:54 |
| charlie-tca | That works! I can read the text in the highlight bar now | 16:55 |
| ochosi | hm, didn't change anythink in the highlight-bar :) | 16:57 |
| ochosi | must be psychological | 16:57 |
| charlie-tca | exactly, it is the offwhite that takes the glare away | 16:57 |
| charlie-tca | pure white makes it wash out. | 16:58 |
| ochosi | hm, i'll have to think about that a while | 17:00 |
| ochosi | if we do that i have to change the scrollbar-style and that is a pretty noticeable change to the theme's style | 17:00 |
| charlie-tca | A slight background tint? | 17:01 |
| ochosi | unfortunately the background-tint is not that easy with the current scrollbar-style | 17:08 |
| ochosi | do we really need the scrollbar-arrows? | 17:08 |
| charlie-tca | How do we scroll without them? | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | The scroll bar blends into the background now, without the arrows, it will disappear completely | 17:10 |
| ochosi | usually people scroll by dragging the scrollbar | 17:10 |
| ochosi | not by clicking the arrows | 17:10 |
| ochosi | but anyway, we can keep the arrows | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe it is just me. I tend to click in the scrollbar area, to grab the bar itself | 17:11 |
| ochosi | yep | 17:11 |
| ochosi | but you don't click the arrows, do you? | 17:11 |
| charlie-tca | but we could try taking the arrows away, and see what happens | 17:11 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'm actually not sure about firefox and a few other non-gtk apps | 17:11 |
| charlie-tca | I do, but very seldom. If I want to scroll one line at a time, I use the arrows | 17:11 |
| ochosi | we'll see | 17:11 |
| charlie-tca | Usually that is in the editors | 17:12 |
| charlie-tca | I don' t think firefox needs arrows, does it? | 17:12 |
| charlie-tca | I don't think I use them anywhere but in a text editor | 17:12 |
| ochosi | mhm | 17:15 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: I think taking the arrows away will make for a cleaner interface, actually. | 17:15 |
| ochosi | k, i'll try it | 17:15 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: still around? | 18:04 |
| pleia2 | he's doing a classroom session | 18:04 |
| ochosi | oh ok, thanks | 18:04 |
| astraljava | Is anyone in here running natty with gnome? | 18:30 |
| ochosi | astraljava: sounds like you're in the wrong chan ;) | 18:30 |
| micahg | astraljava: well, I'm running it with Unity | 18:31 |
| astraljava | ochosi: I know. :) It was a desperate reaching to someone I thought might have a response. :) | 18:31 |
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| ochosi | charlie-tca: i changed quite a few things in greybird now, i'll push the changes in the course of the next few days and ping you about it | 19:32 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: i think all in all there are a lot of improvements, but maybe also a few more things i have to think about | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | Let me know when to grab again | 19:33 |
| plantoschka | will greybird be default again in 11.10 ? | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | plantoschka: yes, that is the plan | 19:44 |
| charlie-tca | with some refinements and fine-tuning | 19:44 |
| plantoschka | great, love it | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | TheSheep: got the cache files cleared, moinmoin works with python 2.7! | 22:03 |
| charlie-tca | TheSheep: thank you very much for your help with that | 22:04 |
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