[00:13] hey everyone, feel free to check the latest version of greybird [00:13] i changed a few (mostly small) things [00:13] but it'd still be good to get some feedback [00:13] get it here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird [01:08] ochosi: is that in Oneiric yet? [01:12] charlie-tca: no, not that i know of [01:13] charlie-tca: but you can test the pre-release (which makes it easier to change stuff for me) [01:13] Okay, I will try [01:16] I'll start testing again once they get a working CD... [01:18] thanks guys [01:18] most important thing is to find inconsistencies/bugs for the moment [01:19] basically the theme is stable, but a few points could still be improved [01:36] ochosi: download v2.1? [01:41] charlie-tca: just pull the latest version from git. the 2.1 tag was created already a while ago (i only create git version tags with "major" changes) [01:53] hm, the white on lighter gray is harder to read, at least in thunar [01:53] Thunar highlights the selection, in lighter gray, using white text. [01:54] Either the white has to be darker, or the gray needs to be darker [09:37] awwhhh: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Xubuntu-linux-unoffical/184449754904337 [10:06] micahg: why not, I thought it was unmaintained upstream though. [10:06] hey mr_pouit [10:09] hey knome [10:11] just read omg!ubuntu and i already feel like my brain are melting [10:15] hi mr_pouit [10:15] 2011-05-28: Released version 0.1.8. [10:15] which we even have in oneiric :) [10:17] been two years between releases [10:18] yup, I read that [10:20] ok, so I can replace evince by epdfview in the seeds [10:21] mr_pouit: k, sounds good, I guess if people complain, we can always switch back [12:58] charlie-tca: Looks like no Alt or Live CDs for today. I can't help the rest of this week as I will be in a place with only dial-up [13:06] The image we got is broken again/still. [13:06] :( [13:06] Looks to be a Ubuntu Studio weekend for me, then. [13:06] And no log for Live [13:06] Note (The image); can count them on one finger today [13:07] I have the log location (that you linked me) bookmarked on this browser [13:37] hm, with the new wiki improvements, login is taking very long [13:40] and preferences are reverted to defaults [13:40] I wonder if I am still subscribed to any pages? [13:46] I got python errors... [13:50] charlie-tca: you said something about selection-colors yesterday, what were you referring to specifically? treeview-rows? elements in an icon-view? [13:51] ochosi: the highlight [13:51] charlie-tca: hightlight of what [13:51] it is a reverse color, gray with white text in thunar, email, everything [13:52] the line that shows what is selected at any time [13:52] ok, so the treeview-hightlight/selection is not contrasty enough for you? [13:52] might be a blue with white text [13:52] yep, it's blue [13:52] in fact i just turned the selected_bg_color a tad (really just a very tiny bit) brighter [13:52] When I look in thunar detail view, there is my selection highlighted. The background the text is displayed on is too bright [13:53] The tad was enough. It makes the white unreadable now [16:19] charlie-tca: are you around? [16:21] yes and no [16:21] in a meeting, but go ahead./ [16:22] k, is the selection here more readable for you? http://imagebin.org/158748 [16:23] yummy :) [16:23] i'm considering switching from dark-bg and bright-font in selections to the opposite [16:24] it would give a lighter feel to greybird as a whole [16:24] If the object of the highlight is to see the text, no [16:24] it still is harder to see than the other text [16:24] instead of lighter, go for better readability? [16:25] not sure the two are mutually exclusive [16:25] i just wanted to know whether this is readable enough, if not i'll just continue tweaking [16:25] try darkening the background? [16:25] i'd rather try the opposite, i'll post another screener in a few secs [16:25] lighter gray with black is good, if the background is dimmed some [16:25] yeah, that's the idea [16:27] Any way to make the white background a bit offwhite/blue/something? [16:28] yeah, i can make it a tad greyer/darker [16:29] that'd make it look softer [16:29] update: http://imagebin.org/158750 [16:34] What about making the text blacker? [16:34] looks like grey on grey now? [16:35] it's blue on blue, but with a lot of contrast already, the dark blue is close to black [16:35] it makes the text harder to read [16:36] everything that's not black-on-white or white-on-black is potentially hard/er to read [16:36] ideally it would be good to read and look good [16:36] the white on blue we used in Natty is good [16:36] yeah, i can always get back to that [16:36] should be able to go black on the blue highlighter for good readability [16:37] but i'd prefer to try something new before [16:38] what if you changed the background (try a different shade of blue, maybe, with less gray in it) [16:39] oretty black now: http://imagebin.org/158751 [16:40] better [16:40] sorry to be so difficult. [16:40] that's ok ;) [16:40] i mean if we find out that this idea doesn't work, i'll drop it [16:41] but i think i'll reduce a few contrasts, e.g. make the progress-bars and the button-prelights a bit lighter [16:42] Okay, I can test it [16:42] But you know I don't run high-quality monitors and video cards, right? [16:42] makes the low contrast much harder to use [16:43] mhm, that might be partly why it's so hard for you to read the stuff [16:43] but that should be true for most users, too, shouldn't it? [16:43] what about a slight tint of the entire white background? [16:45] you mean something like this? http://imagebin.org/158755 [16:46] (this is a different theme now, but it uses a greyish base color) [16:47] yeah, maybe not as much tint, but something to make the glare go down from a full white screen on a normal monitor. [16:50] something like this? http://imagebin.org/158757 [16:50] (we might have to change the scrollbar style if we darken this too much) [16:53] I think so, I would not darken it more than that [16:53] Might even go lighter on it. It only needs like 232 gray [16:54] http://imagebin.org/158761 [16:55] That works! I can read the text in the highlight bar now [16:57] hm, didn't change anythink in the highlight-bar :) [16:57] must be psychological [16:57] exactly, it is the offwhite that takes the glare away [16:58] pure white makes it wash out. [17:00] hm, i'll have to think about that a while [17:00] if we do that i have to change the scrollbar-style and that is a pretty noticeable change to the theme's style [17:01] A slight background tint? [17:08] unfortunately the background-tint is not that easy with the current scrollbar-style [17:08] do we really need the scrollbar-arrows? [17:09] How do we scroll without them? [17:10] The scroll bar blends into the background now, without the arrows, it will disappear completely [17:10] usually people scroll by dragging the scrollbar [17:10] not by clicking the arrows [17:10] but anyway, we can keep the arrows [17:11] Maybe it is just me. I tend to click in the scrollbar area, to grab the bar itself [17:11] yep [17:11] but you don't click the arrows, do you? [17:11] but we could try taking the arrows away, and see what happens [17:11] yeah, i'm actually not sure about firefox and a few other non-gtk apps [17:11] I do, but very seldom. If I want to scroll one line at a time, I use the arrows [17:11] we'll see [17:12] Usually that is in the editors [17:12] I don' t think firefox needs arrows, does it? [17:12] I don't think I use them anywhere but in a text editor [17:15] mhm [17:15] ochosi: I think taking the arrows away will make for a cleaner interface, actually. [17:15] k, i'll try it [18:04] charlie-tca: still around? [18:04] he's doing a classroom session [18:04] oh ok, thanks [18:30] Is anyone in here running natty with gnome? [18:30] astraljava: sounds like you're in the wrong chan ;) [18:31] astraljava: well, I'm running it with Unity [18:31] ochosi: I know. :) It was a desperate reaching to someone I thought might have a response. :) === Unit193 is now known as Unit193BeGone [19:32] charlie-tca: i changed quite a few things in greybird now, i'll push the changes in the course of the next few days and ping you about it [19:32] charlie-tca: i think all in all there are a lot of improvements, but maybe also a few more things i have to think about [19:33] Thanks [19:33] Let me know when to grab again [19:40] will greybird be default again in 11.10 ? [19:44] plantoschka: yes, that is the plan [19:44] with some refinements and fine-tuning [19:45] great, love it [22:03] TheSheep: got the cache files cleared, moinmoin works with python 2.7! [22:04] TheSheep: thank you very much for your help with that === _Hyper__ is now known as _Hyper_