| DeathSling | like what? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| BigRedS | not virtualisation | 00:00 |
| BigRedS | :) | 00:00 |
| DeathSling | what do you do with the hardware, do you build machines for people? | 00:02 |
| BigRedS | ohhhh | 00:02 |
| BigRedS | I work in a data centre, running servers | 00:02 |
| DeathSling | cool | 00:02 |
| DeathSling | i work at a printers doing time critical stuff | 00:03 |
| DeathSling | hence why failover-able servers are wanted | 00:03 |
| BigRedS | ahhh | 00:03 |
| BigRedS | what sort of printers? I used to work in a very slapdash digital print firm | 00:03 |
| DeathSling | which is super cool because I get to play | 00:04 |
| DeathSling | digital print | 00:04 |
| DeathSling | I started of as a printer, mainly xerox's | 00:04 |
| BigRedS | you used to be a printer? :) | 00:05 |
| BigRedS | I'm trying to think if I ever knew any of our competition, but I don't think I did. I never really got interested inthe print side of ot.. | 00:05 |
| DeathSling | yep, I eat paper and **** out copies! | 00:05 |
| DeathSling | ;) | 00:05 |
| BigRedS | haha | 00:06 |
| DeathSling | Where based in croydon | 00:06 |
| BigRedS | ooh. we were in Wandsworth. Well, a few places. Service Graphics | 00:07 |
| DeathSling | "we are" based, rather | 00:07 |
| DeathSling | Liberty Services, used to be Liberty Printers and they bought Fine-Point who I started with. I know, I know, I made it all complicated like ;) | 00:08 |
| BigRedS | haha | 00:08 |
| DeathSling | Havn't heard of them, but then there are a lot of printers around | 00:09 |
| BigRedS | we were hilariously complicated. different companies, trading names etc. | 00:09 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I was told we were the biggest, but in an industry of tiny firms | 00:09 |
| DeathSling | ...we also got Liberty Digital.... | 00:09 |
| BigRedS | Hah, we were Service Graphics, Jupiter Display, Scanachrome, Service Exhibitions, B&S Graphics, PR Exhibitions and at least another one whose name escapes me now | 00:10 |
| DeathSling | what do datacenters actually consist of? Is it just fileservers of databases? | 00:10 |
| BigRedS | well, we sell dedicated servers, so most are web/mail/db in one box | 00:11 |
| BigRedS | we've a few clusters, with dedicated db & web machines, a few dedicated mail boxes for other people | 00:11 |
| DeathSling | "or" databases, god my typing, no wonder my scripts never work first time | 00:11 |
| BigRedS | haha | 00:11 |
| DeathSling | do the clusters use a shared file system like ocfs2? | 00:12 |
| DeathSling | shared storage? | 00:13 |
| BigRedS | it varies :) | 00:13 |
| BigRedS | usually they're paired with ocfs | 00:13 |
| BigRedS | so two web machines with ocfs documentroots, two db machines with either ocfs /var/lib/mysql or mysql rep | 00:13 |
| BigRedS | some a mix | 00:14 |
| DeathSling | how do you share there storage, I've been using DRBD | 00:14 |
| BigRedS | drbd for the pairs | 00:15 |
| BigRedS | nfs for bigger groups normally | 00:15 |
| DeathSling | I've never looked at nfs | 00:15 |
| BigRedS | It's wonderfully simple | 00:16 |
| DeathSling | does nfs require a shared storage like a san or am I missing the point? | 00:16 |
| BigRedS | no, it's way more basic than that | 00:17 |
| BigRedS | you just 'export' a directory from one machine, and mount it on the other | 00:17 |
| BigRedS | there's no (required) security built in | 00:17 |
| BigRedS | but using it with kerberos is quite popular | 00:17 |
| DeathSling | is security a bit of an issue with it? | 00:18 |
| DeathSling | silly queston, don't worry | 00:18 |
| BigRedS | Yeah, by default :) | 00:18 |
| BigRedS | we tend to use it on private nets | 00:19 |
| DeathSling | by private, do you mean no internet access? | 00:20 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 00:21 |
| BigRedS | well | 00:21 |
| BigRedS | a net that can't route to or be routed to from the internet | 00:21 |
| BigRedS | the machines themselves have one interface on the internet and one on the privat enet | 00:22 |
| DeathSling | gotcha | 00:22 |
| DeathSling | ohh, excuse my ignorance on this matter but does that mean there could be an attack through one of the users machines? | 00:23 |
| BigRedS | not really - there's no users :) | 00:23 |
| BigRedS | one of my favourite things about being in a data centre :) | 00:23 |
| hamitron | no dumb..errr...people | 00:24 |
| hamitron | ;) | 00:24 |
| hamitron | well, less | 00:24 |
| hamitron | ;) | 00:24 |
| DeathSling | hehe | 00:24 |
| BigRedS | yeah, it's awesome. Fewer people, more computers. That can only be a good direction to move in | 00:24 |
| DeathSling | I run around 30 idiots...err members of staff | 00:24 |
| hamitron | BigRedS: add a few pole dancers and you have a win | 00:25 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 00:25 |
| DeathSling | :) | 00:25 |
| hamitron | I reckon that would be a good marketing idea | 00:25 |
| BigRedS | haha! | 00:25 |
| hamitron | "only datacentre with....." | 00:25 |
| DeathSling | that would be a good way of getting around paying us properly | 00:26 |
| BigRedS | haha | 00:28 |
| BigRedS | argh. I've just remembered I've an early start in the morning, I'm orf to sleep | 00:28 |
| hamitron | :) | 00:29 |
| DeathSling | good talking to you, nice night's sleep :) | 00:29 |
| hamitron | reckon I should get coffee | 00:29 |
| hamitron | need something to comfort me to sleep | 00:29 |
| DeathSling | mmmm coffee | 00:29 |
| BigRedS | haha, I'm getting further from the point where coffee before bed is a good idea, fortunately :) | 00:30 |
| BigRedS | well, trying to. I keep giving in and having caffeinated stuff when I don't really need or want the caffeine | 00:30 |
| hamitron | the only reason I can think to not have coffee | 00:30 |
| hamitron | my bitcoin mining is really heating this room up | 00:30 |
| hamitron | :/ | 00:31 |
| hamitron | k, brb | 00:32 |
| hamitron | :) | 00:32 |
| zaahir | hello ! How are you ?!! | 01:27 |
| zaahir | some body on birmingham ? | 01:27 |
| hamitron | on? | 01:28 |
| zaahir | lol | 01:28 |
| zaahir | i am french | 01:28 |
| zaahir | at Birmingham ? | 01:28 |
| zaahir | or to Brummagem ? | 01:29 |
| hamitron | not sure, I know I am not | 01:29 |
| hamitron | :) | 01:29 |
| zaahir | lol okay thank you | 01:29 |
| zaahir | we can speak off topic here ? | 01:30 |
| hamitron | it is a fairly casual room, yeh | 01:33 |
| hamitron | but also dead at this time of night ;) | 01:33 |
| zaahir | ok | 01:34 |
| zaahir | where are you ? | 01:34 |
| hamitron | I'm in East Yorkshire, England | 01:34 |
| zaahir | oh okay | 01:34 |
| zaahir | border sea ? | 01:34 |
| hamitron | yep | 01:35 |
| zaahir | cool | 01:35 |
| zaahir | are you fisher ? | 01:35 |
| hamitron | no :) our fishing industry has died | 01:35 |
| zaahir | oh okay | 01:36 |
| zaahir | you are born in yorkshire ? | 01:37 |
| hamitron | yeh, why? | 01:37 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 01:37 |
| zaahir | lol just question | 01:38 |
| hamitron | I don't travel either, haaha | 01:38 |
| zaahir | lol never ?! | 01:38 |
| hamitron | I could point out France on a map though ;) | 01:38 |
| hamitron | well | 01:38 |
| zaahir | okay | 01:39 |
| hamitron | I've left Yorkshire maybe 10 times | 01:39 |
| zaahir | okay | 01:39 |
| zaahir | for you, what is the best food of the UK ? | 01:43 |
| hamitron | erm | 01:45 |
| hamitron | probably a Sunday Roast | 01:45 |
| hamitron | :D | 01:45 |
| zaahir | what this ? can you give me an adresse website picture please ? | 01:45 |
| hamitron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_roast | 01:46 |
| zaahir | are you joking ?!!! | 01:47 |
| zaahir | oh sorry | 01:47 |
| hamitron | no... | 01:47 |
| hamitron | hehe | 01:47 |
| hamitron | I like fried breakfast too | 01:48 |
| zaahir | oh no | 01:48 |
| zaahir | please | 01:48 |
| hamitron | what do you eat? :) | 01:48 |
| zaahir | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=fr&xhr=t&q=kighafarz&cp=5&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1280&bih=573&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi | 01:50 |
| zaahir | and | 01:50 |
| zaahir | http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=fr&biw=1280&bih=573&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cr%C3%AApes+bretonnes&oq=cr%C3%AApes+bretonnes&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=43108l48629l0l16l16l0l8l8l0l232l1414l1.4.3l8 | 01:50 |
| hamitron | is that raw meat? | 01:50 |
| hamitron | that 2nd one looks like pancakes | 01:51 |
| zaahir | no | 01:51 |
| zaahir | yes but different | 01:52 |
| zaahir | it's no raw meat | 01:52 |
| hamitron | ok :) | 01:52 |
| zaahir | it's different pancakes | 01:52 |
| hamitron | I don't really experiment with lots of food | 01:53 |
| hamitron | but I think I am in the minority | 01:54 |
| zaahir | just bread and water abd you can go on the road of the life ! lol | 01:56 |
| zaahir | s>abd>and | 01:56 |
| hamitron | anyways | 01:58 |
| hamitron | nice meeting you | 01:58 |
| hamitron | but I'm afraid I have to get some sleep | 01:58 |
| hamitron | o/ | 01:59 |
| zaahir | oh yes ! | 02:00 |
| zaahir | of course no problem | 02:01 |
| zaahir | beautiful night ! | 02:01 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 10:14 |
| danfish | morning | 10:19 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 10:19 |
| brobostigon | morning danfish :) | 10:19 |
| danfish | o/ | 10:20 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 10:21 |
| danfish | I go away for a week in the country with minimal access to phones/t'internet and get back to a complete load of fail :( | 10:22 |
| brobostigon | eeeek | 10:23 |
| danfish | VPS crashed, a partner a work has resigned, and knackered back packing car | 10:24 |
| danfish | still, could be worse - mustn't grumble (too much) | 10:25 |
| brobostigon | ohwell. | 10:25 |
| danfish | right, time to take the little fishies swimming. Laters | 10:28 |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:29 |
| kvarley | Is there a way to send a notification to another machine on my network. So for example I want to send a notification to my main computer with some information confirming that a cron job has been run on a server. | 11:14 |
| kvarley | It just needs to be plain text, can you do that? | 11:14 |
| StevenR | kvarley: email? | 11:17 |
| kvarley | StevenR: My email? Or are you saying send an email when the jobs done? | 11:18 |
| StevenR | sending an email when the job is done? | 11:18 |
| kvarley | Not what I wanted really | 11:18 |
| kvarley | I think I may have found something here | 11:18 |
| StevenR | well... ok... what do you want to happen when the job is complete? | 11:18 |
| kvarley | You know the system notifications? Like on messaging and stuff, they pop up saying stuff and then go away? Well I want to send one of those from the server to my desktop computer. | 11:19 |
| StevenR | ahhh | 11:19 |
| StevenR | my brain is screaming that dbus is the way to do that... but I'm not sure precisely how | 11:20 |
| kvarley | StevenR: Thanks for the suggestion anyway =) | 11:20 |
| kvarley | StevenR: I think you are on to something with dbus | 11:22 |
| kvarley | StevenR: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/DBus%20notify-send%20over%20network.htm | 11:22 |
| StevenR | kvarley: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD might help... or you could have a jabber sender (i.e. the cronjob logs into a jabber server and sends a message) | 11:23 |
| StevenR | and you use a client whereever you are that picks that up? | 11:24 |
| toast | \nwrug | 11:34 |
| kvarley | StevenR: Got it working with notify-send and ssh | 11:42 |
| StevenR | kvarley: woot | 12:07 |
| kvarley | StevenR: Indeed. For every problem there is a solution xD Linux has it all. | 12:08 |
| kvarley | Say I have log.txt, from terminal how can I append a line of text to the file? Would I do something like echo -> "Hello" -> log.txt ? | 12:11 |
| mfraz74 | echo "hello" >> log.text | 12:11 |
| mfraz74 | I think | 12:11 |
| kvarley | mfraz74: Thank you =) | 12:13 |
| === denny_ is now known as denny | ||
| bennie_ | hey everyone | 12:42 |
| bennie_ | have a quick question, not sure if it exists, but would any og you guys be interested in a unity extension the searches google (something like ctrl + g for a dash). If there is enough interest i might write one this week. | 12:43 |
| gord | bennie_, its not thta easy to do, the google api is locked down :( | 13:08 |
| gord | otherwise yeah it would be cool | 13:08 |
| gord | but you are basically going to have to wget http://google.com/q=foobar and then parse results out of that | 13:09 |
| bennie_ | Well i don't mind a challenge, i was thinking of using the mobile version of the site | 13:15 |
| bennie_ | to start with i could do something as simple as the alt-f2 type launcher | 13:16 |
| mfraz74 | Any idea why I'm seeing: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1d:7d:93:9f:94:00:22:75:7a:61:9d:08:00 SRC=213.199.149.85 DST=192.168.2.102 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=46317 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=33161 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0? | 15:24 |
| mfraz74 | whois 213.199.149.85 - Microsoft Lodon Internet Data Center | 15:24 |
| brobostigon | ufw is a control interface for itables, i get that in my syslog, when fail2ban blocks something. | 15:25 |
| brobostigon | iptables* | 15:26 |
| mfraz74 | I know about UFW, but why am I seeing that IP address in my logs? | 15:27 |
| brobostigon | something must be happening with iptables, for it to be blocking something, based on your iptables rules. i would presume. | 15:27 |
| mfraz74 | is it possible to find out what it is blocking? | 15:29 |
| brobostigon | it is blocking that ip, i would have a look trhough your iptables rules, | 15:29 |
| brobostigon | for some reason* | 15:30 |
| Mez | Anyone have recent experience of how bad flynig between the UK and US is? | 16:50 |
| danfish | Mez: how so? Customer service or turbulence? | 16:50 |
| Mez | danfish: dodgy security arrangement s:D | 16:51 |
| hamitron | statistically, you will make it across alive | 16:51 |
| hamitron | ;) | 16:51 |
| Mez | I've got to go out to San Fran sometime soon for a job interview | 16:52 |
| danfish | hamitron: hah | 16:52 |
| danfish | Mez: I waited at New York customs for 90mins to get through - wife got asked to go for a 'special interview' | 16:53 |
| danfish | turned up 30mins later very irritated | 16:53 |
| Mez | danfish: kinky... lol. | 16:53 |
| Mez | I can imagine | 16:53 |
| danfish | the New Yorker's we ran into felt the security was nuts and the staff rude etc | 16:54 |
| danfish | but hey ho, after what they've been through....... | 16:54 |
| phonex01 | guys im using firefox on ubunt when i use facebook i have to refresh the page manually to see new post and comments and messages !!! | 17:01 |
| phonex01 | ???? | 17:01 |
| Mez | danfish: it's SFO for me | 17:06 |
| danfish | Mez: not been there myself, but if reputation is anything to go by, you'll have flowers in your hair and free love within minutes of landing ;) | 17:07 |
| Mez | danfish: lol... | 17:07 |
| Mez | danfish: not too sure yet anyway. The company I'm going out for has worldwide offices... but the position I'm applying for is i the US - and thats where my recruiters are | 17:08 |
| danfish | Mez: still, if they're paying.. | 17:12 |
| Mez | danfish: yes. They are. | 17:12 |
| danfish | Mustard! My wife went to SFO a couple of years ago for work and had a great time - food very good | 17:14 |
| danfish | hmmm. I have a user of a mailing list I run that (accidentally) sent a file with a Trojan in it. Very irritated the mail got blocked and fervently denies a trojan was present. I obviously had to politely reply - now is claiming I've defamed his character etc..... | 17:26 |
| danfish | getting nasty | 17:26 |
| czajkowski | danfish: oh joy | 17:26 |
| danfish | czajkowski: a mailing list of all of 20 people | 17:27 |
| czajkowski | all drs? | 17:27 |
| danfish | czajkowski: yup - so own assessment of IT ability - amazing, their actual ability, dismal :( | 17:28 |
| czajkowski | ugh | 17:29 |
| czajkowski | all smart and know they're right | 17:29 |
| czajkowski | right | 17:29 |
| danfish | mind you that makes me sound horribly arrogant ;) | 17:29 |
| danfish | czajkowski: yup | 17:29 |
| danfish | czajkowski: enough of that, how's thee? | 17:29 |
| czajkowski | danfish: ah ok, bit confused at NHS stuff here | 17:30 |
| czajkowski | have 2 letters I know what 1 is for but not another | 17:30 |
| czajkowski | but you have this apoinment thingy over here makes no sense :s | 17:30 |
| danfish | czajkowski: the NHS is a lesson in confusion | 17:31 |
| czajkowski | danfish: to be fair I've had a good experience so far | 17:31 |
| zaahir | Hellollo ! | 19:04 |
| alexcockell | Hi all.. | 19:39 |
| safiyyah | I have a broken machine again. initramfs :( | 19:40 |
| safiyyah | I have a broken machine with an initramfs error. It happened previously 2 days ago, but in the middle of a diagnosis it resolved itself. Today, the system froze so I shut it down using the power button, and on reboot, I got the initramfs error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/628040/ when I tried to use the shift key at boot up to It wouldn't go into the menu and I got a kernel panic error message... | 19:45 |
| safiyyah | ...: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628888/ | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | You should never shut down using the power button while doing an upgrade :| | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | safiyyah: You should be able to get a menu when holding shift when starting the computer | 19:46 |
| safiyyah | I wasn't upgrading. I had been away for a while and it was on screen saver, I pressed enter to just get back to work and it froze | 19:46 |
| safiyyah | MartijnVdS: there was no menu, I got the kernel panic error message | 19:47 |
| MartijnVdS | safiyyah: there shuold be, if you keep shift pressed all the way while the machine is starting | 19:47 |
| safiyyah | I am telling you keeping shift pressed down produced that error | 19:48 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/628888/ | 19:49 |
| safiyyah | AlanBell, popey, ali1234 | 19:55 |
| * Azelphur waves at safiyyah, long time no see :p | 20:00 | |
| safiyyah | lol Azelphur | 20:00 |
| * safiyyah waves back | 20:00 | |
| safiyyah | did you see my woes? | 20:00 |
| ali1234 | left shift | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | not right shift | 20:01 |
| Azelphur | hehe :p | 20:01 |
| safiyyah | ali1234: yes it was the left shift | 20:01 |
| gord | wow. they really changed blender since i last used it | 20:03 |
| gord | like, entirely | 20:03 |
| safiyyah | blenders gord? | 20:04 |
| safiyyah | so about diagnositics, does anyone havea clue what is wrong? | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | your root filesystem is corrupted | 20:05 |
| Azelphur | ^ my thoughts too | 20:05 |
| Azelphur | maybe hdd broken, maybe just having a funny day | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | probably an intermittent physical error | 20:05 |
| safiyyah | also, I have a question - the swap area. is that necessary when I don't have a dual boot | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | it's never necessary | 20:05 |
| Azelphur | ^ | 20:05 |
| Azelphur | but it's nice to have if you don't have a lot of RAM | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | as long as you always have enough ram | 20:06 |
| safiyyah | this is the output of fdisk - l http://paste.ubuntu.com/628900/ | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | hint: you don't have enough ram | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | you never can have enough | 20:06 |
| ali1234 | 16gb is not enough | 20:06 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: lies, I have 12GB with no swap | 20:06 |
| safiyyah | 16gb with a seperate home partition is not enough? | 20:07 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: but you can't suspend to disk! | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | 16gb is plenty for root filesystem | 20:07 |
| Azelphur | OH GOD THE AGONY | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | it just isn't enough for ram | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | lol suspend to disk with 16gb | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | takes longer than rebooting | 20:07 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: swap / ram preferences / amounts depend on how you use your computer at the end of the day | 20:08 |
| Azelphur | like MartijnVdS says if you want suspend you need swap | 20:08 |
| Azelphur | but if you have a decent amount of ram, and don't usually go anywhere near using it all, then you can skip swap :) | 20:08 |
| safiyyah | okay, I dont play any games but I do watch a lot of online streaming media | 20:08 |
| safiyyah | so how much swap is needed? | 20:08 |
| Azelphur | the safe option is to just have some swap | 20:08 |
| Azelphur | as having swap shouldn't cause you any problems, where as not having swap might do | 20:08 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: how much RAM do you have? | 20:08 |
| safiyyah | 1gb | 20:09 |
| Azelphur | maybe 2GB of swap then? | 20:09 |
| Azelphur | (I hear the rule is 2x RAM in swap, although it's an entirely pointless / made up rule) | 20:09 |
| safiyyah | sorry my swap has 248 gb, i am not understanding the problem | 20:09 |
| Azelphur | 248GB swap O.O what | 20:10 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/628900/ look at this azelphur | 20:10 |
| Azelphur | blocks arn't gigabytes o.O | 20:11 |
| safiyyah | okay so what are they? | 20:11 |
| Azelphur | they are blocks lol | 20:11 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: but your problem is nothing to do with swap | 20:12 |
| safiyyah | okay | 20:12 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: you probably have a faulty hard drive | 20:12 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: fire up disk utility and run a full SMART test on it | 20:12 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur, I just bought this HDD | 20:12 |
| safiyyah | like 2 months a go | 20:12 |
| Azelphur | that's good, then it'll be in warranty if it's dead :) | 20:12 |
| safiyyah | ali1234: i am sure you remember advising me on which to buy | 20:12 |
| safiyyah | i see a disk usage analyser, I am on live disk | 20:13 |
| safiyyah | is it something to install? | 20:13 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: which version? | 20:13 |
| safiyyah | maverick | 20:13 |
| Azelphur | old :o | 20:13 |
| safiyyah | yes well lucid live disk will not go into live session :( | 20:14 |
| safiyyah | so it's what I had | 20:14 |
| Azelphur | disk utility was in maverick I think though :S | 20:14 |
| * Azelphur fires up a maverick vm quickly | 20:14 | |
| * safiyyah thankful for help | 20:14 | |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: yep, disk utility is in maverick, system > administration > disk utility | 20:16 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur: it says the disk is healthy | 20:18 |
| safiyyah | :) | 20:18 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: yea, run a full smart test on it | 20:19 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur: short, extended or convenyance? | 20:19 |
| MartijnVdS | extended | 20:20 |
| Azelphur | extended I guess | 20:20 |
| Azelphur | :) | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Argh | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | someone mis-ordered the tracks for a CD on MusicBrainz *hate* | 20:20 |
| safiyyah | it says it will take tens of minutes | 20:20 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: yep. | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | safiyyah: some disks take several hours | 20:21 |
| safiyyah | omg! can i install flash and get on with net surfing in the meantime? | 20:21 |
| MartijnVdS | sure | 20:21 |
| Azelphur | yes | 20:21 |
| safiyyah | the problem is maverick live disk doesn't let me install flash | 20:21 |
| MartijnVdS | You should be able to do almost anything, except restart the machine | 20:21 |
| safiyyah | the installation always gets stuck | 20:21 |
| MartijnVdS | safiyyah: are you behind a proxy? | 20:22 |
| safiyyah | don't think so MartijnVdS | 20:22 |
| * Azelphur is thinking memtest too just to be evil | 20:22 | |
| MartijnVdS | safiyyah: what does the installation get stuck on? | 20:22 |
| safiyyah | i will do whatever you say boss, | 20:22 |
| safiyyah | it gets stuck on "applying changes" | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | safiyyah: open up the window (click the arrow) | 20:23 |
| safiyyah | boss = Azelphur | 20:23 |
| MartijnVdS | safiyyah: it should give you some text lines | 20:23 |
| Azelphur | \o/ | 20:23 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur, just don't abandon me in the middle of it all lol | 20:23 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: or just go terminal type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree | 20:24 |
| Azelphur | I won't <3 | 20:24 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: won't work while the GUI apt thingy is still running | 20:24 |
| Azelphur | oh, thought she wasn't stuck already | 20:24 |
| Azelphur | thought she was avoiding it because it caused problems in the past | 20:24 |
| safiyyah | lol I got stuck graphically, but the terminal threw this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628914/ | 20:26 |
| Azelphur | hmm, flash will be in one of those other fun repos that isn't enabled by default on livecd I guess | 20:26 |
| * Azelphur breaks out the vm again :p | 20:27 | |
| safiyyah | i literally just downloaded natty and I hadn't burnt it yet, or put it on live USB, hope I can get hold of it. It sounds like when all this is over, I will need to backup my data and do a fresh install | 20:28 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: applications > software center > edit > software sources tick Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse), wait for the In Progress (1) thing to go away, then go back to terminal and run sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree again | 20:29 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur, which VM software do you use? | 20:30 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: virtualbox | 20:31 |
| safiyyah | did you pay for it to enable USB devices? | 20:31 |
| Azelphur | there is no pay for edition of virtualbox | 20:31 |
| Azelphur | the USB enabled one is free it's just not open source | 20:31 |
| safiyyah | oh when I get this running I will come back to look for you on that | 20:32 |
| Azelphur | ok :) | 20:32 |
| safiyyah | okay the self test says it cancelled, with a hard or soft reset | 20:35 |
| safiyyah | i didnt touch the power button! | 20:35 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: any ideas on ^? | 20:35 |
| safiyyah | and the flash plugin is stuck... on the Unpacking flashplugin-installer (from .../flashplugin-installer_10.3.181.26ubuntu0.10.10.1_i386.deb) ... bit | 20:36 |
| Azelphur | my memtest sense is tingling even more now xD | 20:37 |
| Azelphur | can't hurt to run memtest, lets do that and see if that's causing the problem | 20:37 |
| safiyyah | yes memtest involves rebooting | 20:38 |
| safiyyah | what do i do again? | 20:38 |
| Azelphur | yea, but since the test cancelled anyway | 20:38 |
| Azelphur | reboot and boot from the LiveCD, holding left shift | 20:38 |
| Azelphur | you should be presented with a memtest option | 20:38 |
| safiyyah | okay. | 20:38 |
| safiyyah | i will be back after some 30 or more minutes I take it? | 20:38 |
| Azelphur | yea, something like that | 20:39 |
| safiyyah | okay, don't abandon me will be back on live disk asap | 20:40 |
| safiyyah | you can pop off the the time though :P | 20:41 |
| Azelphur | I'll be here, probably gonna go nab a microwave meal though :P | 20:41 |
| Azelphur | :D | 20:41 |
| popey | evening all | 21:13 |
| Azelphur | Anyone got any idea how I'd debug cron jobs not running at all? | 21:14 |
| Azelphur | it just randomly decided to stop working about 7 weeks ago | 21:14 |
| popey | known issue | 21:16 |
| popey | restart the cron daemon | 21:16 |
| Azelphur | how do I restart it? | 21:16 |
| popey | sudo service crond restart | 21:16 |
| Azelphur | cool, ty :) | 21:16 |
| popey | np | 21:16 |
| popey | botched update | 21:17 |
| popey | google for pam ubuntu cron | 21:17 |
| popey | or just restart cron and forget it | 21:17 |
| Azelphur | yea, restarted cron, hopefully solves it :) | 21:17 |
| Azelphur | is XBMC server / client arch like MythTV where you run an XBMC client on any machine in the network and it streams? | 21:24 |
| Azelphur | or do you need to mount network shares for it | 21:24 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur: mem test passed | 21:37 |
| czajkowski | evening folks | 21:38 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur: | 21:43 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: | 21:44 |
| safiyyah | OH THANK GOD! I thought you left me | 21:45 |
| Azelphur | oh cool, memtest passed :) | 21:45 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: nah, just my brother being irritating \o/ | 21:45 |
| Azelphur | so it passes memtest, that's a good start | 21:46 |
| safiyyah | what now? | 21:46 |
| Azelphur | I guess you could run fsck on the drive see if that fixes it | 21:46 |
| safiyyah | fsck? | 21:46 |
| Azelphur | filesystem check | 21:46 |
| safiyyah | okay so $ sudo fsck? | 21:47 |
| Azelphur | is the drive mounted? | 21:47 |
| safiyyah | no am on live disk only | 21:47 |
| Azelphur | ok | 21:47 |
| safiyyah | so i need to become root user? | 21:48 |
| Azelphur | sudo fsck -f /dev/sda2 | 21:48 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/628951/ | 21:50 |
| Azelphur | it's mounted, unmount it :P | 21:50 |
| safiyyah | lol | 21:50 |
| safiyyah | there is no unmount command | 21:50 |
| safiyyah | what is it | 21:51 |
| Azelphur | sudo umount /dev/sda2 | 21:51 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/628952/ | 21:51 |
| Azelphur | go to disk utility and try to unmount it using that | 21:52 |
| Azelphur | it will tell you what is using it | 21:52 |
| bigcalm | Hi kids :) | 21:54 |
| safiyyah | hi dad? | 21:54 |
| bigcalm | What are you still doing up? | 21:55 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur: i dont see anything saying it's mounted? | 21:55 |
| Azelphur | :S how can it be busy if it's not mounted | 21:55 |
| Azelphur | that's messed up lol | 21:55 |
| Azelphur | sudo lsof /dev/sda2 | 21:55 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/628957/ | 21:56 |
| Azelphur | hmm, wait, your fdisk -l from earlier makes no mention of a livecd | 21:57 |
| Azelphur | doesn't fdisk usually spew out the casper filesystem or something? o.O | 21:57 |
| Azelphur | nope, guess not, doesn't do it on my VM \o/ | 21:58 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: I guess just reboot to free up whatever is using the hdd | 21:58 |
| Azelphur | and then you can run the fsck again | 21:58 |
| safiyyah | ok brb again! | 21:59 |
| DeathSling | can anyone help me with a ubuntu vm? I've got about 5Mbs disk speed. I've switched it to virtio driver but that seems to be even slower (using qcow2 format) | 22:08 |
| DeathSling | does the vm need to be a block device in order to get proper speeds? | 22:09 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur: rebooted, this is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628968/ | 22:21 |
| safiyyah | we still have the problem | 22:21 |
| Azelphur | that makes no sense, anyone else got any suggestions? | 22:21 |
| * Azelphur prods ali1234 | 22:21 | |
| safiyyah | i am just puzzled, ubuntu for me was super stable on ext 3, with hardy - everything else seems to be reaping havock | 22:22 |
| safiyyah | Maverick crashed on me and Lucid has landed me here twice! | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | :( | 22:23 |
| safiyyah | right and i cant install flash on live disk maverick either | 22:23 |
| safiyyah | this is super annoying! | 22:23 |
| ali1234 | sup? | 22:27 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: you was looking into this earlier, I told her to run memtest which she passed | 22:29 |
| Azelphur | and I told her to run smart, but it stopped with an error akin to the test was stopped because of a hard or soft reset | 22:29 |
| Azelphur | and now I'm trying to run fsck but it won't let me because the device is busy even though it's not mounted | 22:30 |
| Azelphur | :s | 22:30 |
| ali1234 | well yeah that means the disk is broken | 22:35 |
| ali1234 | or bad cable | 22:35 |
| ali1234 | or the connector isn't on properly | 22:35 |
| ali1234 | or maybe bad power supply | 22:35 |
| MattJ | or it's busy | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | yeah... busy stuck in an endless loop trying to access a bad block | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | that's the normal reason why it does that | 22:36 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: ^ those things :p | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | endless resets and busy signals = bad block, cannot access, and cannot remap | 22:36 |
| safiyyah | solution? | 22:36 |
| ali1234 | buy a new hard drive | 22:36 |
| safiyyah | what? again? | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | figure out why your hard drives keep dying | 22:37 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: you can get a tool from your manufacturer that will check the state of your hard drive | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | do you live next to a magnet factory? | 22:37 |
| safiyyah | no | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | yeah if it is a relatively new drive you can return it if the tool says so | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | (that was a joke) | 22:37 |
| safiyyah | ha ha | 22:37 |
| * hamitron was gonna say something about her been attractive, but thought better of it ;) | 22:37 | |
| safiyyah | rofl | 22:38 |
| safiyyah | v funny hamitron | 22:38 |
| safiyyah | r u guys sure it's dead? | 22:38 |
| safiyyah | I don't just need a clean install? | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | if it cant even mount that's bad | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | you should get the manufacturer tool and run it | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | it will tell you for sure if the drive is bad | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | and if it is bad, you should return it and get a new drive for free | 22:39 |
| safiyyah | what manufacturer tool? | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | well it depends what type of HD you have | 22:39 |
| safiyyah | samsung | 22:39 |
| ali1234 | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/downloads/support_in_es.html | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | it's tricky though :/ | 22:40 |
| ali1234 | i think you need to make a freedos usb boot flash (which is similar to making a ubuntu boot flash) and then copy the tool onto it | 22:41 |
| ali1234 | then run it and see what it says | 22:41 |
| safiyyah | ali1234: the flash disk one doesn't let me make it, and the iso image, well everytime I direct the disk creator to it, it only wants to burn a maverick iso | 22:52 |
| safiyyah | is that because I am a live session user | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | you need to do this | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | 1. get unetbootin | 22:52 |
| ali1234 | 2. use it to make a freedos boot drive | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | 3. mount the samsung tool iso and copy the diagnostic tool to the freedos boot drive | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | 4. boot freedos | 22:53 |
| ali1234 | 5. run the tool | 22:53 |
| safiyyah | and while this is going on: I see my hard drive on the left side, sda4 opens, but sda 3 says it is busy waiting for an operation. So it seems the root file system is what is busy not the entire disk | 22:54 |
| ali1234 | that's probably where the bad blocks are then | 22:54 |
| ali1234 | or maybe not, idk | 22:54 |
| ali1234 | the diagnostic tool will tell you if it's really bad or not | 22:54 |
| ali1234 | where is dmesg output? | 22:55 |
| safiyyah | you guys didn't ask for it | 22:57 |
| safiyyah | I will run it as soon as unetbootin finished | 22:57 |
| safiyyah | if it doesn't get stuck at the "applying changes" hurdle again | 22:58 |
| hamitron | what is the default UDF version for dvd-ram? | 22:58 |
| hamitron | 1.02 I assume | 22:59 |
| safiyyah | okay it is stuck on the 'applying changes' part again | 23:00 |
| JGJones | hey hey | 23:01 |
| JGJones | Does get-iplayer work with other channels such as 4oD? | 23:01 |
| safiyyah | brb, i am going to try and get the lucid live disk going | 23:01 |
| safiyyah | maverick always does this! | 23:02 |
| safiyyah | okay i have a fourth proposal as to what the nature of the problem is. | 23:28 |
| safiyyah | It's the live disks | 23:28 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur: and ali1234 | 23:28 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: have you tried booting from USB instead? | 23:29 |
| safiyyah | i can't load the lucid live session. and Maverick won't let me install anything, not the flashplugin and not the unetbooter thing | 23:29 |
| safiyyah | i was unable to make a flash usb remember? | 23:29 |
| Azelphur | haha, it does sound dodgy | 23:29 |
| safiyyah | so, I am not on a fedora core live disk and guess what? | 23:29 |
| Azelphur | do you not have another computer with which to make one? | 23:29 |
| Azelphur | what? | 23:30 |
| safiyyah | I can access my hard drive... without the error messages | 23:30 |
| Azelphur | nice :) | 23:30 |
| safiyyah | AND fsck is running | 23:30 |
| Azelphur | fun | 23:30 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/629000/ | 23:31 |
| safiyyah | it hasn't finished yet but I just wanted to show you | 23:31 |
| Azelphur | :D | 23:31 |
| safiyyah | so I know this is an ubuntu room, but could we take this route for now because I can't even make the diagnostic disk ali1234 is asking me to make | 23:32 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* there's people in here using all distros lol | 23:32 |
| Azelphur | I got no hate against fedora, if it works for you use it :) | 23:32 |
| safiyyah | lol am scared of it lol | 23:33 |
| * hamitron liked fedora last time he used it | 23:33 | |
| safiyyah | am on the live disk only | 23:33 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 23:33 |
| safiyyah | btw, how long does fsck take> | 23:33 |
| hamitron | hours | 23:33 |
| Azelphur | depends entirely on size of drive / size of partition / amount of data | 23:33 |
| Azelphur | hours sounds about right :) | 23:33 |
| hamitron | or that could be my slow comp :/ | 23:34 |
| safiyyah | okay so what is supposed to happen when it finishes? | 23:34 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: it should just exit | 23:34 |
| Azelphur | it'll whine if there's anything wrong | 23:34 |
| ali1234 | ok so there's something wrong with ubuntu :) | 23:35 |
| ali1234 | nothing much new there | 23:35 |
| * hamitron gives up | 23:36 | |
| hamitron | scrap that, I got an idea | 23:36 |
| hamitron | gonna get a coffee | 23:37 |
| hamitron | :D | 23:37 |
| hamitron | brb | 23:37 |
| safiyyah | once it exits, you are saying if I reboot the whole system will just load? | 23:37 |
| safiyyah | yes ali1234 that is the problem | 23:37 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: nope, I'm saying that if it just exits it didn't find a problem with the filesystem | 23:38 |
| Azelphur | xD | 23:38 |
| safiyyah | and I do remember the last issue we had as well. months ago, I had to use this same disk to get my data backed up | 23:38 |
| safiyyah | okay it finished | 23:38 |
| safiyyah | http://paste.ubuntu.com/629005/ | 23:39 |
| safiyyah | now what :P i dont get what just happened obviously | 23:39 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: it found an issue, and it says it fixed it. | 23:39 |
| Azelphur | try rebooting. You might be good to go :) | 23:39 |
| safiyyah | i can only wish | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | odified but nothing much interesting happened | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | just recovered journal | 23:40 |
| safiyyah | okay | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | ah | 23:40 |
| safiyyah | so what do we do now? | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 23:40 |
| ali1234 | there's something really odd with your computer | 23:40 |
| safiyyah | yeah, you are telling me | 23:41 |
| safiyyah | at this point am tempted to drive to your house and drop it off | 23:41 |
| safiyyah | lol | 23:41 |
| Azelphur | haha | 23:41 |
| safiyyah | okay so it time to back up and just do a clean install? | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | i don't think that is going to help if the live cds don't even work right | 23:43 |
| Azelphur | ^ | 23:43 |
| safiyyah | well it will give me a chance to make new live CDs | 23:44 |
| safiyyah | with natty or something | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | making a backup is always a good idea | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: make the new LiveCDs on your working fedora | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | but yea, backups are a good idea | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | maybe you should just install fedora :) | 23:44 |
| safiyyah | how, I have one DVD drive | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | i heard it's nice | 23:44 |
| safiyyah | rofl | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | lol | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: put it on USB? | 23:45 |
| safiyyah | you know, I am seriously considering it but well whose going to help me with it | 23:45 |
| safiyyah | I can even figure out how to install flash on it | 23:45 |
| safiyyah | lol | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | lol nobody, fedora guys hate helping people | 23:45 |
| Azelphur | there are fedora channels, not that we want rid of you xD | 23:45 |
| Azelphur | or that | 23:45 |
| safiyyah | Azelphur, there is no start up disk utility | 23:45 |
| Azelphur | safiyyah: get unetbootin | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | yeah i always use unetbootin cos it works everywhere and supports every kind of startup disk ever | 23:46 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 23:46 |
| Azelphur | unetbootin makes everything work | 23:46 |
| zaahir | hi all !!! | 23:46 |
| safiyyah | okay | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | frankly i dunno why they bother with startup disk creator | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | they should just fix up unetbootin | 23:46 |
| zaahir | السلام عليكم | 23:47 |
| safiyyah | wa alaikum as salaam zaahir | 23:47 |
| safiyyah | ali1234: speaking of "they" - i wish "they" would fix ubuntu to stop breaking for me too | 23:48 |
| ali1234 | heh, don't we all | 23:48 |
| zaahir | some people on Birmingham ? | 23:49 |
| safiyyah | i am beginning to think all these quick releases are the reason... fedora takes years to update. plenty of time to stabilise it | 23:49 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: unetbootin is great | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | fedora is every 6 months too | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | and it's arguably less stable because it's really "red hat beta version" | 23:51 |
| ali1234 | less stable in both senses | 23:51 |
| safiyyah | usb is /dev/sr0 right? | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | /dev/sr0 is the first cdrom | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | actually, scsi removable disc | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | it might be on usb, or it might not | 23:53 |
| penguin42 | usb storage tends to land as a scsi disk - i.e. /dev/sdb etc | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | but if it's removable there will be an underlying sr device too | 23:54 |
| ali1234 | usb storage is just scsi packets wrapped in usb transfers | 23:54 |
| penguin42 | hmm I've never noticed an sr device except for cd/dvd | 23:55 |
| safiyyah | i took the drive out to check, when I put it in the new thing that appeared was /dev/sdc1 | 23:55 |
| safiyyah | so i think it's thatt | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | well cd/dvd are the most common scsi removables | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | note "unpluggable on usb" does not equal removable | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | because then you are unplugging the whole usb controller | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | whole scsi controller sorry | 23:55 |
| ali1234 | if you had a scsi tape drive, that would be an sr too, but who has one of those? | 23:56 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: That's normally st | 23:56 |
| ali1234 | hmm, fair enough | 23:56 |
| safiyyah | well it is sdc | 23:56 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I have a few dat drives I've not used in a while | 23:56 |
| safiyyah | so i am making a live USB of natty | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/sr.html | 23:57 |
| safiyyah | then am going to boot up with it to make sure it's working, come and check in with you guys | 23:57 |
| safiyyah | and my backing up will take an hour or more. | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | tl;dr sr = cd/dvd/worm drives | 23:57 |
| safiyyah | so I will be doing that tomorrow and doing a fresh install | 23:58 |
| safiyyah | AGAIN!!!! | 23:58 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Yeh that's what I thought (although not seen any non-CD worm drives) | 23:58 |
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