[00:00] <DeathSling> like what?
[00:00] <BigRedS> not virtualisation
[00:00] <BigRedS> :)
[00:02] <DeathSling> what do you do with the hardware, do you build machines for people?
[00:02] <BigRedS> ohhhh
[00:02] <BigRedS> I work in a data centre, running servers
[00:02] <DeathSling> cool
[00:03] <DeathSling> i work at a printers doing time critical stuff
[00:03] <DeathSling> hence why failover-able servers are wanted
[00:03] <BigRedS> ahhh
[00:03] <BigRedS> what sort of printers? I used to work in a very slapdash digital print firm
[00:04] <DeathSling> which is super cool because I get to play
[00:04] <DeathSling> digital print
[00:04] <DeathSling> I started of as a printer, mainly xerox's
[00:05] <BigRedS> you used to be a printer? :)
[00:05] <BigRedS> I'm trying to think if I ever knew any of our competition, but I don't think I did. I never really got interested inthe print side of ot..
[00:05] <DeathSling> yep, I eat paper and **** out copies!
[00:05] <DeathSling> ;)
[00:06] <BigRedS> haha
[00:06] <DeathSling> Where based in croydon
[00:07] <BigRedS> ooh. we were in Wandsworth. Well, a few places. Service Graphics
[00:07] <DeathSling> "we are" based, rather
[00:08] <DeathSling> Liberty Services, used to be Liberty Printers and they bought Fine-Point who I started with.  I know, I know, I made it all complicated like  ;)
[00:08] <BigRedS> haha
[00:09] <DeathSling> Havn't heard of them, but then there are a lot of printers around
[00:09] <BigRedS> we were hilariously complicated. different companies, trading names etc.
[00:09] <BigRedS> yeah, I was told we were the biggest, but in an industry of tiny firms
[00:09] <DeathSling> ...we also got Liberty Digital....
[00:10] <BigRedS> Hah, we were Service Graphics, Jupiter Display, Scanachrome, Service Exhibitions, B&S Graphics, PR Exhibitions and at least another one whose name escapes me now
[00:10] <DeathSling> what do datacenters actually consist of?  Is it just fileservers of databases?
[00:11] <BigRedS> well, we sell dedicated servers, so most are web/mail/db in one box
[00:11] <BigRedS> we've a few clusters, with dedicated db & web machines, a few dedicated mail boxes for other people
[00:11] <DeathSling> "or" databases, god my typing, no wonder my scripts never work first time
[00:11] <BigRedS> haha
[00:12] <DeathSling> do the clusters use a shared file system like ocfs2?
[00:13] <DeathSling> shared storage?
[00:13] <BigRedS> it varies :)
[00:13] <BigRedS> usually they're paired with ocfs
[00:13] <BigRedS> so two web machines with ocfs documentroots, two db machines with either ocfs /var/lib/mysql or mysql rep
[00:14] <BigRedS> some a mix
[00:14] <DeathSling> how do you share there storage, I've been using DRBD
[00:15] <BigRedS> drbd for the pairs
[00:15] <BigRedS> nfs for bigger groups normally
[00:15] <DeathSling> I've never looked at nfs
[00:16] <BigRedS> It's wonderfully simple
[00:16] <DeathSling> does nfs require a shared storage like a san or am I missing the point?
[00:17] <BigRedS> no, it's way more basic than that
[00:17] <BigRedS> you just 'export' a directory from one machine, and mount it on the other
[00:17] <BigRedS> there's no (required) security built in
[00:17] <BigRedS> but using it with kerberos is quite popular
[00:18] <DeathSling> is security a bit of an issue with it?
[00:18] <DeathSling> silly queston, don't worry
[00:18] <BigRedS> Yeah, by default :)
[00:19] <BigRedS> we tend to use it on private nets
[00:20] <DeathSling> by private, do you mean no internet access?
[00:21] <BigRedS> yeah
[00:21] <BigRedS> well
[00:21] <BigRedS> a net that can't route to or be routed to from the internet
[00:22] <BigRedS> the machines themselves have one interface on the internet and one on the privat enet
[00:22] <DeathSling> gotcha
[00:23] <DeathSling> ohh, excuse my ignorance on this matter but does that mean there could be an attack through one of the users machines?
[00:23] <BigRedS> not really - there's no users :)
[00:23] <BigRedS> one of my favourite things about being in a data centre :)
[00:24] <hamitron> no dumb..errr...people
[00:24] <hamitron> ;)
[00:24] <hamitron> well, less
[00:24] <hamitron> ;)
[00:24] <DeathSling> hehe
[00:24] <BigRedS> yeah, it's awesome. Fewer people, more computers. That can only be a good direction to move in
[00:24] <DeathSling> I run around 30 idiots...err members of staff
[00:25] <hamitron> BigRedS: add a few pole dancers and you have a win
[00:25] <hamitron> ;/
[00:25] <DeathSling> :)
[00:25] <hamitron> I reckon that would be a good marketing idea
[00:25] <BigRedS> haha!
[00:25] <hamitron> "only datacentre with....."
[00:26] <DeathSling> that would be a good way of getting around paying us properly
[00:28] <BigRedS> haha
[00:28] <BigRedS> argh. I've just remembered I've an early start in the morning, I'm orf to sleep
[00:29] <hamitron> :)
[00:29] <DeathSling> good talking to you, nice night's sleep  :)
[00:29] <hamitron> reckon I should get coffee
[00:29] <hamitron> need something to comfort me to sleep
[00:29] <DeathSling> mmmm  coffee
[00:30] <BigRedS> haha, I'm getting further from the point where coffee before bed is a good idea, fortunately :)
[00:30] <BigRedS> well, trying to. I keep giving in and having caffeinated stuff when I don't really need or want the caffeine
[00:30] <hamitron> the only reason I can think to not have coffee
[00:30] <hamitron> my bitcoin mining is really heating this room up
[00:31] <hamitron> :/
[00:32] <hamitron> k, brb
[00:32] <hamitron> :)
[01:27] <zaahir> hello ! How are you ?!!
[01:27] <zaahir> some body on birmingham ?
[01:28] <hamitron> on?
[01:28] <zaahir> lol
[01:28] <zaahir> i am french
[01:28] <zaahir> at Birmingham ?
[01:29] <zaahir> or to Brummagem ?
[01:29] <hamitron> not sure, I know I am not
[01:29] <hamitron> :)
[01:29] <zaahir> lol okay thank you
[01:30] <zaahir> we can speak off topic here ?
[01:33] <hamitron> it is a fairly casual room, yeh
[01:33] <hamitron> but also dead at this time of night ;)
[01:34] <zaahir> ok
[01:34] <zaahir> where are you ?
[01:34] <hamitron> I'm in East Yorkshire, England
[01:34] <zaahir> oh okay
[01:34] <zaahir> border sea ?
[01:35] <hamitron> yep
[01:35] <zaahir> cool
[01:35] <zaahir> are you fisher ?
[01:35] <hamitron> no :) our fishing industry has died
[01:36] <zaahir> oh okay
[01:37] <zaahir> you are born in yorkshire ?
[01:37] <hamitron> yeh, why?
[01:37] <hamitron> ;/
[01:38] <zaahir> lol just question
[01:38] <hamitron> I don't travel either, haaha
[01:38] <zaahir> lol never ?!
[01:38] <hamitron> I could point out France on a map though ;)
[01:38] <hamitron> well
[01:39] <zaahir> okay
[01:39] <hamitron> I've left Yorkshire maybe 10 times
[01:39] <zaahir> okay
[01:43] <zaahir> for you, what is the best food of the UK ?
[01:45] <hamitron> erm
[01:45] <hamitron> probably a Sunday Roast
[01:45] <hamitron> :D
[01:45] <zaahir> what this ? can you give me an adresse website picture please ?
[01:46] <hamitron> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_roast
[01:47] <zaahir> are you joking ?!!!
[01:47] <zaahir> oh sorry
[01:47] <hamitron> no...
[01:47] <hamitron> hehe
[01:48] <hamitron> I like fried breakfast too
[01:48] <zaahir> oh no
[01:48] <zaahir> please
[01:48] <hamitron> what do you eat? :)
[01:50] <zaahir> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=fr&xhr=t&q=kighafarz&cp=5&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1280&bih=573&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
[01:50] <zaahir> and
[01:50] <zaahir> http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=fr&biw=1280&bih=573&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cr%C3%AApes+bretonnes&oq=cr%C3%AApes+bretonnes&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=43108l48629l0l16l16l0l8l8l0l232l1414l1.4.3l8
[01:50] <hamitron> is that raw meat?
[01:51] <hamitron> that 2nd one looks like pancakes
[01:51] <zaahir> no
[01:52] <zaahir> yes but different
[01:52] <zaahir> it's no raw meat
[01:52] <hamitron> ok :)
[01:52] <zaahir> it's different pancakes
[01:53] <hamitron> I don't really experiment with lots of food
[01:54] <hamitron> but I think I am in the minority
[01:56] <zaahir> just bread and water abd you can go on the road of the life ! lol
[01:56] <zaahir> s>abd>and
[01:58] <hamitron> anyways
[01:58] <hamitron> nice meeting you
[01:58] <hamitron> but I'm afraid I have to get some sleep
[01:59] <hamitron> o/
[02:00] <zaahir> oh yes !
[02:01] <zaahir> of course no problem
[02:01] <zaahir> beautiful night !
[10:14] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:19] <danfish> morning
[10:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:19] <brobostigon> morning danfish :)
[10:20] <danfish> o/
[10:21] <brobostigon> o/
[10:22] <danfish> I go away for a week in the country with minimal access to phones/t'internet and get back to a complete load of fail :(
[10:23] <brobostigon> eeeek
[10:24] <danfish> VPS crashed, a partner a work has resigned, and knackered back packing car
[10:25] <danfish> still, could be worse - mustn't grumble (too much)
[10:25] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[10:28] <danfish> right, time to take the little fishies swimming. Laters
[10:29] <brobostigon> :)
[11:14] <kvarley> Is there a way to send a notification to another machine on my network. So for example I want to send a notification to my main computer with some information confirming that a cron job has been run on a server.
[11:14] <kvarley> It just needs to be plain text, can you do that?
[11:17] <StevenR> kvarley: email?
[11:18] <kvarley> StevenR: My email? Or are you saying send an email when the jobs done?
[11:18] <StevenR> sending an email when the job is done?
[11:18] <kvarley> Not what I wanted really
[11:18] <kvarley> I think I may have found something here
[11:18] <StevenR> well... ok... what do you want to happen when the job is complete?
[11:19] <kvarley> You know the system notifications? Like on messaging and stuff, they pop up saying stuff and then go away? Well I want to send one of those from the server to my desktop computer.
[11:19] <StevenR> ahhh
[11:20] <StevenR> my brain is screaming that dbus is the way to do that... but I'm not sure precisely how
[11:20] <kvarley> StevenR: Thanks for the suggestion anyway =)
[11:22] <kvarley> StevenR: I think you are on to something with dbus
[11:22] <kvarley> StevenR: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/DBus%20notify-send%20over%20network.htm
[11:23] <StevenR> kvarley: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD might help... or you could have a jabber sender (i.e. the cronjob logs into a jabber server and sends a message)
[11:24] <StevenR> and you use a client whereever you are that picks that up?
[11:34] <toast> \nwrug
[11:42] <kvarley> StevenR: Got it working with notify-send and ssh
[12:07] <StevenR> kvarley: woot
[12:08] <kvarley> StevenR: Indeed. For every problem there is a solution xD Linux has it all.
[12:11] <kvarley> Say I have log.txt, from terminal how can I append a line of text to the file? Would I do something like echo -> "Hello" -> log.txt ?
[12:11] <mfraz74> echo "hello" >> log.text
[12:11] <mfraz74> I think
[12:13] <kvarley> mfraz74: Thank you =)
[12:42] <bennie_> hey everyone
[12:43] <bennie_> have a quick question, not sure if it exists, but would any og you guys be interested in a unity extension the searches google (something like ctrl + g for a dash). If there is enough interest i might write one this week.
[13:08] <gord> bennie_, its not thta easy to do, the google api is locked down :(
[13:08] <gord> otherwise yeah it would be cool
[13:09] <gord> but you are basically going to have to wget http://google.com/q=foobar and then parse results out of that
[13:15] <bennie_> Well i don't mind a challenge, i was thinking of using the mobile version of the site
[13:16] <bennie_> to start with i could do something as simple as the alt-f2 type launcher
[15:24] <mfraz74> Any idea why I'm seeing: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1d:7d:93:9f:94:00:22:75:7a:61:9d:08:00 SRC=213.199.149.85 DST=192.168.2.102 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=46317 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=33161 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0?
[15:24] <mfraz74> whois 213.199.149.85 - Microsoft Lodon Internet Data Center
[15:25] <brobostigon> ufw is a  control interface for itables, i get that in my syslog, when fail2ban blocks something.
[15:26] <brobostigon> iptables*
[15:27] <mfraz74> I know about UFW, but why am I seeing that IP address in my logs?
[15:27] <brobostigon> something must be happening with iptables, for it to be blocking something, based on your iptables rules. i would presume.
[15:29] <mfraz74> is it possible to find out what it is blocking?
[15:29] <brobostigon> it is blocking that ip, i would have a look trhough your iptables rules,
[15:30] <brobostigon> for some reason*
[16:50] <Mez> Anyone have recent experience of how bad flynig between the UK and US is?
[16:50] <danfish> Mez: how so? Customer service or turbulence?
[16:51] <Mez> danfish: dodgy security arrangement s:D
[16:51] <hamitron> statistically, you will make it across alive
[16:51] <hamitron> ;)
[16:52] <Mez> I've got to go out to San Fran sometime soon for a job interview
[16:52] <danfish> hamitron: hah
[16:53] <danfish> Mez: I waited at New York customs for 90mins to get through - wife got asked to go for a 'special interview'
[16:53] <danfish> turned up 30mins later very irritated
[16:53] <Mez> danfish: kinky... lol.
[16:53] <Mez> I can imagine
[16:54] <danfish> the New Yorker's we ran into felt the security was nuts and the staff rude etc
[16:54] <danfish> but hey ho, after what they've  been through.......
[17:01] <phonex01> guys im using firefox on ubunt  when i use facebook i have to refresh the page manually to see new post and comments and messages !!!
[17:01] <phonex01> ????
[17:06] <Mez> danfish: it's SFO for me
[17:07] <danfish> Mez: not been there myself, but if reputation is anything to go by, you'll have flowers in your hair and free love within minutes of landing ;)
[17:07] <Mez> danfish: lol...
[17:08] <Mez> danfish: not too sure yet anyway. The company I'm going out for has worldwide offices... but the position I'm applying for is i the US - and thats where my recruiters are
[17:12] <danfish> Mez: still, if they're paying..
[17:12] <Mez> danfish: yes.  They are.
[17:14] <danfish> Mustard! My wife went to SFO a couple of years ago for work and had a great time - food very good
[17:26] <danfish> hmmm. I have a user of a mailing list I run that (accidentally) sent a file with a Trojan in it. Very irritated the mail got blocked and fervently denies a trojan was present. I obviously had to politely reply - now is claiming I've defamed his character etc.....
[17:26] <danfish> getting nasty
[17:26] <czajkowski> danfish: oh joy
[17:27] <danfish> czajkowski: a mailing list of all of 20 people
[17:27] <czajkowski> all drs?
[17:28] <danfish> czajkowski: yup - so own assessment of IT ability - amazing, their actual ability, dismal :(
[17:29] <czajkowski> ugh
[17:29] <czajkowski> all smart and know they're right
[17:29] <czajkowski> right
[17:29] <danfish> mind you that makes me sound horribly arrogant ;)
[17:29] <danfish> czajkowski: yup
[17:29] <danfish> czajkowski: enough of that, how's thee?
[17:30] <czajkowski> danfish: ah ok, bit confused at NHS stuff here
[17:30] <czajkowski> have 2 letters I know what 1 is for but not another
[17:30] <czajkowski> but you have this apoinment thingy over here makes no sense :s
[17:31] <danfish> czajkowski: the NHS is a lesson in confusion
[17:31] <czajkowski> danfish: to be fair I've had a good experience so far
[19:04] <zaahir> Hellollo !
[19:39] <alexcockell> Hi all..
[19:40] <safiyyah> I have a broken machine again. initramfs :(
[19:45] <safiyyah> I have a broken machine with an initramfs error. It happened previously 2 days ago, but in the middle of a diagnosis it resolved itself. Today, the system froze so I shut it down using the power button, and on reboot, I got the initramfs error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/628040/  when I tried to use the shift key at boot up to It wouldn't go into the menu and I got a kernel panic error message...
[19:45] <safiyyah> ...: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628888/
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> You should never shut down using the power button while doing an upgrade :|
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: You should be able to get a menu when holding shift when starting the computer
[19:46] <safiyyah> I wasn't upgrading. I had been away for a while and it was on screen saver, I pressed enter to just get back to work and it froze
[19:47] <safiyyah> MartijnVdS:  there was no menu, I got the kernel panic error message
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: there shuold be, if you keep shift pressed all the way while the machine is starting
[19:48] <safiyyah> I am telling you keeping shift pressed down produced that error
[19:49] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628888/
[19:55] <safiyyah> AlanBell, popey, ali1234
[20:00]  * Azelphur waves at safiyyah, long time no see :p
[20:00] <safiyyah> lol Azelphur
[20:00]  * safiyyah waves back
[20:00] <safiyyah> did you see my woes?
[20:01] <ali1234> left shift
[20:01] <ali1234> not right shift
[20:01] <Azelphur> hehe :p
[20:01] <safiyyah> ali1234:  yes it was the left shift
[20:03] <gord> wow. they really changed blender since i last used it
[20:03] <gord> like, entirely
[20:04] <safiyyah> blenders gord?
[20:05] <safiyyah> so about diagnositics, does anyone havea clue what is wrong?
[20:05] <ali1234> your root filesystem is corrupted
[20:05] <Azelphur> ^ my thoughts too
[20:05] <Azelphur> maybe hdd broken, maybe just having a funny day
[20:05] <ali1234> probably an intermittent physical error
[20:05] <safiyyah> also, I have a question - the swap area. is that necessary when I don't have a dual boot
[20:05] <ali1234> it's never necessary
[20:05] <Azelphur> ^
[20:06] <Azelphur> but it's nice to have if you don't have a lot of RAM
[20:06] <ali1234> as long as you always have enough ram
[20:06] <safiyyah> this is the output of fdisk - l http://paste.ubuntu.com/628900/
[20:06] <ali1234> hint: you don't have enough ram
[20:06] <ali1234> you never can have enough
[20:06] <ali1234> 16gb is not enough
[20:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: lies, I have 12GB with no swap
[20:07] <safiyyah> 16gb with a seperate home partition is not enough?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: but you can't suspend to disk!
[20:07] <ali1234> 16gb is plenty for root filesystem
[20:07] <Azelphur> OH GOD THE AGONY
[20:07] <ali1234> it just isn't enough for ram
[20:07] <ali1234> lol suspend to disk with 16gb
[20:07] <ali1234> takes longer than rebooting
[20:08] <Azelphur> safiyyah: swap / ram preferences / amounts depend on how you use your computer at the end of the day
[20:08] <Azelphur> like MartijnVdS says if you want suspend you need swap
[20:08] <Azelphur> but if you have a decent amount of ram, and don't usually go anywhere near using it all, then you can skip swap :)
[20:08] <safiyyah> okay, I dont play any games but I do watch a lot of online streaming media
[20:08] <safiyyah> so how much swap is needed?
[20:08] <Azelphur> the safe option is to just have some swap
[20:08] <Azelphur> as having swap shouldn't cause you any problems, where as not having swap might do
[20:08] <Azelphur> safiyyah: how much RAM do you have?
[20:09] <safiyyah> 1gb
[20:09] <Azelphur> maybe 2GB of swap then?
[20:09] <Azelphur> (I hear the rule is 2x RAM in swap, although it's an entirely pointless / made up rule)
[20:09] <safiyyah> sorry my swap has 248 gb, i am not understanding the problem
[20:10] <Azelphur> 248GB swap O.O what
[20:10] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628900/ look at this azelphur
[20:11] <Azelphur> blocks arn't gigabytes o.O
[20:11] <safiyyah> okay so what are they?
[20:11] <Azelphur> they are blocks lol
[20:12] <Azelphur> safiyyah: but your problem is nothing to do with swap
[20:12] <safiyyah> okay
[20:12] <Azelphur> safiyyah: you probably have a faulty hard drive
[20:12] <Azelphur> safiyyah: fire up disk utility and run a full SMART test on it
[20:12] <safiyyah> Azelphur, I just bought this HDD
[20:12] <safiyyah> like 2 months a go
[20:12] <Azelphur> that's good, then it'll be in warranty if it's dead :)
[20:12] <safiyyah> ali1234:  i am sure you remember advising me on which to buy
[20:13] <safiyyah> i see a disk usage analyser, I am on live disk
[20:13] <safiyyah> is it something to install?
[20:13] <Azelphur> safiyyah: which version?
[20:13] <safiyyah> maverick
[20:13] <Azelphur> old :o
[20:14] <safiyyah> yes well lucid live disk will not go into live session :(
[20:14] <safiyyah> so it's what I had
[20:14] <Azelphur> disk utility was in maverick I think though :S
[20:14]  * Azelphur fires up a maverick vm quickly
[20:14]  * safiyyah thankful for help
[20:16] <Azelphur> safiyyah: yep, disk utility is in maverick, system > administration > disk utility
[20:18] <safiyyah> Azelphur: it says the disk is healthy
[20:18] <safiyyah> :)
[20:19] <Azelphur> safiyyah: yea, run a full smart test on it
[20:19] <safiyyah> Azelphur:  short, extended or convenyance?
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> extended
[20:20] <Azelphur> extended I guess
[20:20] <Azelphur> :)
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Argh
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> someone mis-ordered the tracks for a CD on MusicBrainz *hate*
[20:20] <safiyyah> it says it will take tens of minutes
[20:20] <Azelphur> safiyyah: yep.
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: some disks take several hours
[20:21] <safiyyah> omg! can i install flash and get on with net surfing in the meantime?
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> sure
[20:21] <Azelphur> yes
[20:21] <safiyyah> the problem is maverick live disk doesn't let me install flash
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> You should be able to do almost anything, except restart the machine
[20:21] <safiyyah> the installation always gets stuck
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: are you behind a proxy?
[20:22] <safiyyah> don't think so MartijnVdS
[20:22]  * Azelphur is thinking memtest too just to be evil
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: what does the installation get stuck on?
[20:22] <safiyyah> i will do whatever you say boss,
[20:23] <safiyyah> it gets stuck on "applying changes"
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: open up the window (click the arrow)
[20:23] <safiyyah> boss = Azelphur
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: it should give you some text lines
[20:23] <Azelphur> \o/
[20:23] <safiyyah> Azelphur, just don't abandon me in the middle of it all lol
[20:24] <Azelphur> safiyyah: or just go terminal type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:24] <Azelphur> I won't <3
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: won't work while the GUI apt thingy is still running
[20:24] <Azelphur> oh, thought she wasn't stuck already
[20:24] <Azelphur> thought she was avoiding it because it caused problems in the past
[20:26] <safiyyah> lol I got stuck graphically, but the terminal threw this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628914/
[20:26] <Azelphur> hmm, flash will be in one of those other fun repos that isn't enabled by default on livecd I guess
[20:27]  * Azelphur breaks out the vm again :p
[20:28] <safiyyah> i literally just downloaded natty and I hadn't burnt it yet, or put it on live USB, hope I can get hold of it. It sounds like when all this is over, I will need to backup my data and do a fresh install
[20:29] <Azelphur> safiyyah: applications > software center > edit > software sources tick Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse), wait for the In Progress (1) thing to go away, then go back to terminal and run sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree again
[20:30] <safiyyah> Azelphur, which VM software do you use?
[20:31] <Azelphur> safiyyah: virtualbox
[20:31] <safiyyah> did you pay for it to enable USB devices?
[20:31] <Azelphur> there is no pay for edition of virtualbox
[20:31] <Azelphur> the USB enabled one is free it's just not open source
[20:32] <safiyyah> oh when I get this running I will come back to look for you on that
[20:32] <Azelphur> ok :)
[20:35] <safiyyah> okay the self test says it cancelled, with a hard or soft reset
[20:35] <safiyyah> i didnt touch the power button!
[20:35] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: any ideas on ^?
[20:36] <safiyyah> and the flash plugin is stuck... on the Unpacking flashplugin-installer (from .../flashplugin-installer_10.3.181.26ubuntu0.10.10.1_i386.deb) ... bit
[20:37] <Azelphur> my memtest sense is tingling even more now xD
[20:37] <Azelphur> can't hurt to run memtest, lets do that and see if that's causing the problem
[20:38] <safiyyah> yes memtest involves rebooting
[20:38] <safiyyah> what do i do again?
[20:38] <Azelphur> yea, but since the test cancelled anyway
[20:38] <Azelphur> reboot and boot from the LiveCD, holding left shift
[20:38] <Azelphur> you should be presented with a memtest option
[20:38] <safiyyah> okay.
[20:38] <safiyyah> i will be back after some 30 or more minutes I take it?
[20:39] <Azelphur> yea, something like that
[20:40] <safiyyah> okay, don't abandon me will be back on live disk asap
[20:41] <safiyyah> you can pop off the the time though :P
[20:41] <Azelphur> I'll be here, probably gonna go nab a microwave meal though :P
[20:41] <Azelphur> :D
[21:13] <popey> evening all
[21:14] <Azelphur> Anyone got any idea how I'd debug cron jobs not running at all?
[21:14] <Azelphur> it just randomly decided to stop working about 7 weeks ago
[21:16] <popey> known issue
[21:16] <popey> restart the cron daemon
[21:16] <Azelphur> how do I restart it?
[21:16] <popey> sudo service crond restart
[21:16] <Azelphur> cool, ty :)
[21:16] <popey> np
[21:17] <popey> botched update
[21:17] <popey> google for pam ubuntu cron
[21:17] <popey> or just restart cron and forget it
[21:17] <Azelphur> yea, restarted cron, hopefully solves it :)
[21:24] <Azelphur> is XBMC server / client arch like MythTV where you run an XBMC client on any machine in the network and it streams?
[21:24] <Azelphur> or do you need to mount network shares for it
[21:37] <safiyyah> Azelphur: mem test passed
[21:38] <czajkowski> evening folks
[21:43] <safiyyah> Azelphur:
[21:44] <Azelphur> safiyyah:
[21:45] <safiyyah> OH THANK GOD! I thought you left me
[21:45] <Azelphur> oh cool, memtest passed :)
[21:45] <Azelphur> safiyyah: nah, just my brother being irritating \o/
[21:46] <Azelphur> so it passes memtest, that's a good start
[21:46] <safiyyah> what now?
[21:46] <Azelphur> I guess you could run fsck on the drive see if that fixes it
[21:46] <safiyyah> fsck?
[21:46] <Azelphur> filesystem check
[21:47] <safiyyah> okay so $ sudo fsck?
[21:47] <Azelphur> is the drive mounted?
[21:47] <safiyyah> no am on live disk only
[21:47] <Azelphur> ok
[21:48] <safiyyah> so i need to become root user?
[21:48] <Azelphur> sudo fsck -f /dev/sda2
[21:50] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628951/
[21:50] <Azelphur> it's mounted, unmount it :P
[21:50] <safiyyah> lol
[21:50] <safiyyah> there is no unmount command
[21:51] <safiyyah> what is it
[21:51] <Azelphur> sudo umount /dev/sda2
[21:51] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628952/
[21:52] <Azelphur> go to disk utility and try to unmount it using that
[21:52] <Azelphur> it will tell you what is using it
[21:54] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[21:54] <safiyyah> hi dad?
[21:55] <bigcalm> What are you still doing up?
[21:55] <safiyyah> Azelphur: i dont see anything saying it's mounted?
[21:55] <Azelphur> :S how can it be busy if it's not mounted
[21:55] <Azelphur> that's messed up lol
[21:55] <Azelphur> sudo lsof /dev/sda2
[21:56] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628957/
[21:57] <Azelphur> hmm, wait, your fdisk -l from earlier makes no mention of a livecd
[21:57] <Azelphur> doesn't fdisk usually spew out the casper filesystem or something? o.O
[21:58] <Azelphur> nope, guess not, doesn't do it on my VM \o/
[21:58] <Azelphur> safiyyah: I guess just reboot to free up whatever is using the hdd
[21:58] <Azelphur> and then you can run the fsck again
[21:59] <safiyyah> ok brb again!
[22:08] <DeathSling> can anyone help me with a ubuntu vm?  I've got about 5Mbs disk speed. I've switched it to virtio driver but that seems to be even slower (using qcow2 format)
[22:09] <DeathSling> does the vm need to be a block device in order to get proper speeds?
[22:21] <safiyyah> Azelphur: rebooted, this is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628968/
[22:21] <safiyyah> we still have the problem
[22:21] <Azelphur> that makes no sense, anyone else got any suggestions?
[22:21]  * Azelphur prods ali1234
[22:22] <safiyyah> i am just puzzled, ubuntu for me was super stable on ext 3, with hardy - everything else seems to be reaping havock
[22:22] <safiyyah> Maverick crashed on me and Lucid has landed me here twice!
[22:23] <Azelphur> :(
[22:23] <safiyyah> right and i cant install flash on live disk maverick either
[22:23] <safiyyah> this is super annoying!
[22:27] <ali1234> sup?
[22:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: you was looking into this earlier, I told her to run memtest which she passed
[22:29] <Azelphur> and I told her to run smart, but it stopped with an error akin to the test was stopped because of a hard or soft reset
[22:30] <Azelphur> and now I'm trying to run fsck but it won't let me because the device is busy even though it's not mounted
[22:30] <Azelphur> :s
[22:35] <ali1234> well yeah that means the disk is broken
[22:35] <ali1234> or bad cable
[22:35] <ali1234> or the connector isn't on properly
[22:35] <ali1234> or maybe bad power supply
[22:36] <MattJ> or it's busy
[22:36] <ali1234> yeah... busy stuck in an endless loop trying to access a bad block
[22:36] <ali1234> that's the normal reason why it does that
[22:36] <Azelphur> safiyyah: ^ those things :p
[22:36] <ali1234> endless resets and busy signals = bad block, cannot access, and cannot remap
[22:36] <safiyyah> solution?
[22:36] <ali1234> buy a new hard drive
[22:37] <safiyyah> what? again?
[22:37] <ali1234> figure out why your hard drives keep dying
[22:37] <Azelphur> safiyyah: you can get a tool from your manufacturer that will check the state of your hard drive
[22:37] <ali1234> do you live next to a magnet factory?
[22:37] <safiyyah> no
[22:37] <ali1234> yeah if it is a relatively new drive you can return it if the tool says so
[22:37] <ali1234> (that was a joke)
[22:37] <safiyyah> ha ha
[22:37]  * hamitron was gonna say something about her been attractive, but thought better of it ;)
[22:38] <safiyyah> rofl
[22:38] <safiyyah> v funny hamitron
[22:38] <safiyyah> r u guys sure it's dead?
[22:39] <safiyyah> I don't just need a clean install?
[22:39] <ali1234> if it cant even mount that's bad
[22:39] <ali1234> you should get the manufacturer tool and run it
[22:39] <ali1234> it will tell you for sure if the drive is bad
[22:39] <ali1234> and if it is bad, you should return it and get a new drive for free
[22:39] <safiyyah> what manufacturer tool?
[22:39] <ali1234> well it depends what type of HD you have
[22:39] <safiyyah> samsung
[22:40] <ali1234> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/downloads/support_in_es.html
[22:40] <ali1234> it's tricky though :/
[22:41] <ali1234> i think you need to make a freedos usb boot flash (which is similar to making a ubuntu boot flash) and then copy the tool onto it
[22:41] <ali1234> then run it and see what it says
[22:52] <safiyyah> ali1234:  the flash disk one doesn't let me make it, and the iso image, well everytime I direct the disk creator to it, it only wants to burn a maverick iso
[22:52] <safiyyah> is that because I am a live session user
[22:52] <ali1234> you need to do this
[22:52] <ali1234> 1. get unetbootin
[22:53] <ali1234> 2. use it to make a freedos boot drive
[22:53] <ali1234> 3. mount the samsung tool iso and copy the diagnostic tool to the freedos boot drive
[22:53] <ali1234> 4. boot freedos
[22:53] <ali1234> 5. run the tool
[22:54] <safiyyah> and while this is going on: I see my hard drive on the left side, sda4 opens, but sda 3 says it is busy waiting for an operation. So it seems the root file system is what is busy not the entire disk
[22:54] <ali1234> that's probably where the bad blocks are then
[22:54] <ali1234> or maybe not, idk
[22:54] <ali1234> the diagnostic tool will tell you if it's really bad or not
[22:55] <ali1234> where is dmesg output?
[22:57] <safiyyah> you guys didn't ask for it
[22:57] <safiyyah> I will run it as soon as unetbootin finished
[22:58] <safiyyah> if it doesn't get stuck at the "applying changes" hurdle again
[22:58] <hamitron> what is the default UDF version for dvd-ram?
[22:59] <hamitron> 1.02 I assume
[23:00] <safiyyah> okay it is stuck on the 'applying changes' part again
[23:01] <JGJones> hey hey
[23:01] <JGJones> Does get-iplayer work with other channels such as 4oD?
[23:01] <safiyyah> brb, i am going to try and get the lucid live disk going
[23:02] <safiyyah> maverick always does this!
[23:28] <safiyyah> okay i have a fourth proposal as to what the nature of the problem is.
[23:28] <safiyyah> It's the live disks
[23:28] <safiyyah> Azelphur:  and ali1234
[23:29] <Azelphur> safiyyah: have you tried booting from USB instead?
[23:29] <safiyyah> i can't load the lucid live session. and Maverick won't let me install anything, not the flashplugin and not the unetbooter thing
[23:29] <safiyyah> i was unable to make a flash usb remember?
[23:29] <Azelphur> haha, it does sound dodgy
[23:29] <safiyyah> so, I am not on a fedora core live disk and guess what?
[23:29] <Azelphur> do you not have another computer with which to make one?
[23:30] <Azelphur> what?
[23:30] <safiyyah> I can access my hard drive... without the error messages
[23:30] <Azelphur> nice :)
[23:30] <safiyyah> AND fsck is running
[23:30] <Azelphur> fun
[23:31] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/629000/
[23:31] <safiyyah> it hasn't finished yet but I just wanted to show you
[23:31] <Azelphur> :D
[23:32] <safiyyah> so I know this is an ubuntu room, but could we take this route for now because I can't even make the diagnostic disk ali1234 is asking me to make
[23:32] <Azelphur> *shrug* there's people in here using all distros lol
[23:32] <Azelphur> I got no hate against fedora, if it works for you use it :)
[23:33] <safiyyah> lol am scared of it lol
[23:33]  * hamitron liked fedora last time he used it
[23:33] <safiyyah> am on the live disk only
[23:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:33] <safiyyah> btw, how long does fsck take>
[23:33] <hamitron> hours
[23:33] <Azelphur> depends entirely on size of drive / size of partition / amount of data
[23:33] <Azelphur> hours sounds about right :)
[23:34] <hamitron> or that could be my slow comp :/
[23:34] <safiyyah> okay so what is supposed to happen when it finishes?
[23:34] <Azelphur> safiyyah: it should just exit
[23:34] <Azelphur> it'll whine if there's anything wrong
[23:35] <ali1234> ok so there's something wrong with ubuntu :)
[23:35] <ali1234> nothing much new there
[23:36]  * hamitron gives up
[23:36] <hamitron> scrap that, I got an idea
[23:37] <hamitron> gonna get a coffee
[23:37] <hamitron> :D
[23:37] <hamitron> brb
[23:37] <safiyyah> once it exits, you are saying if I reboot the whole system will just load?
[23:37] <safiyyah> yes ali1234 that is the problem
[23:38] <Azelphur> safiyyah: nope, I'm saying that if it just exits it didn't find a problem with the filesystem
[23:38] <Azelphur> xD
[23:38] <safiyyah> and I do remember the last issue we had as well. months ago, I had to use this same disk to get my data backed up
[23:38] <safiyyah> okay it finished
[23:39] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/629005/
[23:39] <safiyyah> now what :P i dont get what just happened obviously
[23:39] <Azelphur> safiyyah: it found an issue, and it says it fixed it.
[23:39] <Azelphur> try rebooting. You might be good to go :)
[23:40] <safiyyah> i can only wish
[23:40] <ali1234> odified but nothing much interesting happened
[23:40] <ali1234> just recovered journal
[23:40] <safiyyah> okay
[23:40] <ali1234> ah
[23:40] <safiyyah> so what do we do now?
[23:40] <ali1234> no idea
[23:40] <ali1234> there's something really odd with your computer
[23:41] <safiyyah> yeah, you are telling me
[23:41] <safiyyah> at this point am tempted to drive to your house and drop it off
[23:41] <safiyyah> lol
[23:41] <Azelphur> haha
[23:43] <safiyyah> okay so it time to back up and just do a clean install?
[23:43] <ali1234> i don't think that is going to help if the live cds don't even work right
[23:43] <Azelphur> ^
[23:44] <safiyyah> well it will give me a chance to make new live CDs
[23:44] <safiyyah> with natty or something
[23:44] <ali1234> making a backup is always a good idea
[23:44] <Azelphur> safiyyah: make the new LiveCDs on your working fedora
[23:44] <Azelphur> but yea, backups are a good idea
[23:44] <ali1234> maybe you should just install fedora :)
[23:44] <safiyyah> how, I have one DVD drive
[23:44] <ali1234> i heard it's nice
[23:44] <safiyyah> rofl
[23:44] <Azelphur> lol
[23:45] <Azelphur> safiyyah: put it on USB?
[23:45] <safiyyah> you know, I am seriously considering it but well whose going to help me with it
[23:45] <safiyyah> I can even figure out how to install flash on it
[23:45] <safiyyah> lol
[23:45] <ali1234> lol nobody, fedora guys hate helping people
[23:45] <Azelphur> there are fedora channels, not that we want rid of you xD
[23:45] <Azelphur> or that
[23:45] <safiyyah> Azelphur, there is no start up disk utility
[23:45] <Azelphur> safiyyah: get unetbootin
[23:46] <ali1234> yeah i always use unetbootin cos it works everywhere and supports every kind of startup disk ever
[23:46] <Azelphur> indeed
[23:46] <Azelphur> unetbootin makes everything work
[23:46] <zaahir> hi all !!!
[23:46] <safiyyah> okay
[23:46] <ali1234> frankly i dunno why they bother with startup disk creator
[23:46] <ali1234> they should just fix up unetbootin
[23:47] <zaahir> السلام عليكم
[23:47] <safiyyah> wa alaikum as salaam zaahir
[23:48] <safiyyah> ali1234:  speaking of "they" -  i wish "they" would fix ubuntu to stop breaking for me too
[23:48] <ali1234> heh, don't we all
[23:49] <zaahir> some people on Birmingham ?
[23:49] <safiyyah> i am beginning to think all these quick releases are the reason... fedora takes years to update. plenty of time to stabilise it
[23:51] <penguin42> ali1234: unetbootin is great
[23:51] <ali1234> fedora is every 6 months too
[23:51] <ali1234> and it's arguably less stable because it's really "red hat beta version"
[23:51] <ali1234> less stable in both senses
[23:52] <safiyyah> usb is /dev/sr0 right?
[23:52] <ali1234> maybe
[23:53] <ali1234> /dev/sr0 is the first cdrom
[23:53] <ali1234> actually, scsi removable disc
[23:53] <ali1234> it might be on usb, or it might not
[23:54] <penguin42> usb storage tends to land as a scsi disk - i.e. /dev/sdb etc
[23:54] <ali1234> yeah
[23:54] <ali1234> but if it's removable there will be an underlying sr device too
[23:54] <ali1234> usb storage is just scsi packets wrapped in usb transfers
[23:55] <penguin42> hmm I've never noticed an sr device except for cd/dvd
[23:55] <safiyyah> i took the drive out to check, when I put it in the new thing that appeared was /dev/sdc1
[23:55] <safiyyah> so i think it's thatt
[23:55] <ali1234> well cd/dvd are the most common scsi removables
[23:55] <ali1234> note "unpluggable on usb" does not equal removable
[23:55] <ali1234> because then you are unplugging the whole usb controller
[23:55] <ali1234> whole scsi controller sorry
[23:56] <ali1234> if you had a scsi tape drive, that would be an sr too, but who has one of those?
[23:56] <penguin42> ali1234: That's normally st
[23:56] <ali1234> hmm, fair enough
[23:56] <safiyyah> well it is sdc
[23:56] <penguin42> ali1234: I have a few dat drives I've not used in a while
[23:57] <safiyyah> so i am making a live USB of natty
[23:57] <ali1234> http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/sr.html
[23:57] <safiyyah> then am going to boot up with it to make sure it's working, come and check in with you guys
[23:57] <safiyyah> and my backing up will take an hour or more.
[23:57] <ali1234> tl;dr sr = cd/dvd/worm drives
[23:58] <safiyyah> so I will be doing that tomorrow and doing a fresh install
[23:58] <safiyyah> AGAIN!!!!
[23:58] <penguin42> ali1234: Yeh that's what I thought (although not seen any non-CD worm drives)