[00:00] like what? [00:00] not virtualisation [00:00] :) [00:02] what do you do with the hardware, do you build machines for people? [00:02] ohhhh [00:02] I work in a data centre, running servers [00:02] cool [00:03] i work at a printers doing time critical stuff [00:03] hence why failover-able servers are wanted [00:03] ahhh [00:03] what sort of printers? I used to work in a very slapdash digital print firm [00:04] which is super cool because I get to play [00:04] digital print [00:04] I started of as a printer, mainly xerox's [00:05] you used to be a printer? :) [00:05] I'm trying to think if I ever knew any of our competition, but I don't think I did. I never really got interested inthe print side of ot.. [00:05] yep, I eat paper and **** out copies! [00:05] ;) [00:06] haha [00:06] Where based in croydon [00:07] ooh. we were in Wandsworth. Well, a few places. Service Graphics [00:07] "we are" based, rather [00:08] Liberty Services, used to be Liberty Printers and they bought Fine-Point who I started with. I know, I know, I made it all complicated like ;) [00:08] haha [00:09] Havn't heard of them, but then there are a lot of printers around [00:09] we were hilariously complicated. different companies, trading names etc. [00:09] yeah, I was told we were the biggest, but in an industry of tiny firms [00:09] ...we also got Liberty Digital.... [00:10] Hah, we were Service Graphics, Jupiter Display, Scanachrome, Service Exhibitions, B&S Graphics, PR Exhibitions and at least another one whose name escapes me now [00:10] what do datacenters actually consist of? Is it just fileservers of databases? [00:11] well, we sell dedicated servers, so most are web/mail/db in one box [00:11] we've a few clusters, with dedicated db & web machines, a few dedicated mail boxes for other people [00:11] "or" databases, god my typing, no wonder my scripts never work first time [00:11] haha [00:12] do the clusters use a shared file system like ocfs2? [00:13] shared storage? [00:13] it varies :) [00:13] usually they're paired with ocfs [00:13] so two web machines with ocfs documentroots, two db machines with either ocfs /var/lib/mysql or mysql rep [00:14] some a mix [00:14] how do you share there storage, I've been using DRBD [00:15] drbd for the pairs [00:15] nfs for bigger groups normally [00:15] I've never looked at nfs [00:16] It's wonderfully simple [00:16] does nfs require a shared storage like a san or am I missing the point? [00:17] no, it's way more basic than that [00:17] you just 'export' a directory from one machine, and mount it on the other [00:17] there's no (required) security built in [00:17] but using it with kerberos is quite popular [00:18] is security a bit of an issue with it? [00:18] silly queston, don't worry [00:18] Yeah, by default :) [00:19] we tend to use it on private nets [00:20] by private, do you mean no internet access? [00:21] yeah [00:21] well [00:21] a net that can't route to or be routed to from the internet [00:22] the machines themselves have one interface on the internet and one on the privat enet [00:22] gotcha [00:23] ohh, excuse my ignorance on this matter but does that mean there could be an attack through one of the users machines? [00:23] not really - there's no users :) [00:23] one of my favourite things about being in a data centre :) [00:24] no dumb..errr...people [00:24] ;) [00:24] well, less [00:24] ;) [00:24] hehe [00:24] yeah, it's awesome. Fewer people, more computers. That can only be a good direction to move in [00:24] I run around 30 idiots...err members of staff [00:25] BigRedS: add a few pole dancers and you have a win [00:25] ;/ [00:25] :) [00:25] I reckon that would be a good marketing idea [00:25] haha! [00:25] "only datacentre with....." [00:26] that would be a good way of getting around paying us properly [00:28] haha [00:28] argh. I've just remembered I've an early start in the morning, I'm orf to sleep [00:29] :) [00:29] good talking to you, nice night's sleep :) [00:29] reckon I should get coffee [00:29] need something to comfort me to sleep [00:29] mmmm coffee [00:30] haha, I'm getting further from the point where coffee before bed is a good idea, fortunately :) [00:30] well, trying to. I keep giving in and having caffeinated stuff when I don't really need or want the caffeine [00:30] the only reason I can think to not have coffee [00:30] my bitcoin mining is really heating this room up [00:31] :/ [00:32] k, brb [00:32] :) [01:27] hello ! How are you ?!! [01:27] some body on birmingham ? [01:28] on? [01:28] lol [01:28] i am french [01:28] at Birmingham ? [01:29] or to Brummagem ? [01:29] not sure, I know I am not [01:29] :) [01:29] lol okay thank you [01:30] we can speak off topic here ? [01:33] it is a fairly casual room, yeh [01:33] but also dead at this time of night ;) [01:34] ok [01:34] where are you ? [01:34] I'm in East Yorkshire, England [01:34] oh okay [01:34] border sea ? [01:35] yep [01:35] cool [01:35] are you fisher ? [01:35] no :) our fishing industry has died [01:36] oh okay [01:37] you are born in yorkshire ? [01:37] yeh, why? [01:37] ;/ [01:38] lol just question [01:38] I don't travel either, haaha [01:38] lol never ?! [01:38] I could point out France on a map though ;) [01:38] well [01:39] okay [01:39] I've left Yorkshire maybe 10 times [01:39] okay [01:43] for you, what is the best food of the UK ? [01:45] erm [01:45] probably a Sunday Roast [01:45] :D [01:45] what this ? can you give me an adresse website picture please ? [01:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_roast [01:47] are you joking ?!!! [01:47] oh sorry [01:47] no... [01:47] hehe [01:48] I like fried breakfast too [01:48] oh no [01:48] please [01:48] what do you eat? :) [01:50] http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=fr&xhr=t&q=kighafarz&cp=5&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1280&bih=573&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi [01:50] and [01:50] http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=fr&biw=1280&bih=573&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=cr%C3%AApes+bretonnes&oq=cr%C3%AApes+bretonnes&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=43108l48629l0l16l16l0l8l8l0l232l1414l1.4.3l8 [01:50] is that raw meat? [01:51] that 2nd one looks like pancakes [01:51] no [01:52] yes but different [01:52] it's no raw meat [01:52] ok :) [01:52] it's different pancakes [01:53] I don't really experiment with lots of food [01:54] but I think I am in the minority [01:56] just bread and water abd you can go on the road of the life ! lol [01:56] s>abd>and [01:58] anyways [01:58] nice meeting you [01:58] but I'm afraid I have to get some sleep [01:59] o/ [02:00] oh yes ! [02:01] of course no problem [02:01] beautiful night ! [10:14] morning all [10:19] morning [10:19] good morning everyone, [10:19] morning danfish :) [10:20] o/ [10:21] o/ [10:22] I go away for a week in the country with minimal access to phones/t'internet and get back to a complete load of fail :( [10:23] eeeek [10:24] VPS crashed, a partner a work has resigned, and knackered back packing car [10:25] still, could be worse - mustn't grumble (too much) [10:25] ohwell. [10:28] right, time to take the little fishies swimming. Laters [10:29] :) [11:14] Is there a way to send a notification to another machine on my network. So for example I want to send a notification to my main computer with some information confirming that a cron job has been run on a server. [11:14] It just needs to be plain text, can you do that? [11:17] kvarley: email? [11:18] StevenR: My email? Or are you saying send an email when the jobs done? [11:18] sending an email when the job is done? [11:18] Not what I wanted really [11:18] I think I may have found something here [11:18] well... ok... what do you want to happen when the job is complete? [11:19] You know the system notifications? Like on messaging and stuff, they pop up saying stuff and then go away? Well I want to send one of those from the server to my desktop computer. [11:19] ahhh [11:20] my brain is screaming that dbus is the way to do that... but I'm not sure precisely how [11:20] StevenR: Thanks for the suggestion anyway =) [11:22] StevenR: I think you are on to something with dbus [11:22] StevenR: http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/DBus%20notify-send%20over%20network.htm [11:23] kvarley: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD might help... or you could have a jabber sender (i.e. the cronjob logs into a jabber server and sends a message) [11:24] and you use a client whereever you are that picks that up? [11:34] \nwrug [11:42] StevenR: Got it working with notify-send and ssh [12:07] kvarley: woot [12:08] StevenR: Indeed. For every problem there is a solution xD Linux has it all. [12:11] Say I have log.txt, from terminal how can I append a line of text to the file? Would I do something like echo -> "Hello" -> log.txt ? [12:11] echo "hello" >> log.text [12:11] I think [12:13] mfraz74: Thank you =) === denny_ is now known as denny [12:42] hey everyone [12:43] have a quick question, not sure if it exists, but would any og you guys be interested in a unity extension the searches google (something like ctrl + g for a dash). If there is enough interest i might write one this week. [13:08] bennie_, its not thta easy to do, the google api is locked down :( [13:08] otherwise yeah it would be cool [13:09] but you are basically going to have to wget http://google.com/q=foobar and then parse results out of that [13:15] Well i don't mind a challenge, i was thinking of using the mobile version of the site [13:16] to start with i could do something as simple as the alt-f2 type launcher [15:24] Any idea why I'm seeing: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:1d:7d:93:9f:94:00:22:75:7a:61:9d:08:00 SRC=213.199.149.85 DST=192.168.2.102 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=46317 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=33161 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0? [15:24] whois 213.199.149.85 - Microsoft Lodon Internet Data Center [15:25] ufw is a control interface for itables, i get that in my syslog, when fail2ban blocks something. [15:26] iptables* [15:27] I know about UFW, but why am I seeing that IP address in my logs? [15:27] something must be happening with iptables, for it to be blocking something, based on your iptables rules. i would presume. [15:29] is it possible to find out what it is blocking? [15:29] it is blocking that ip, i would have a look trhough your iptables rules, [15:30] for some reason* [16:50] Anyone have recent experience of how bad flynig between the UK and US is? [16:50] Mez: how so? Customer service or turbulence? [16:51] danfish: dodgy security arrangement s:D [16:51] statistically, you will make it across alive [16:51] ;) [16:52] I've got to go out to San Fran sometime soon for a job interview [16:52] hamitron: hah [16:53] Mez: I waited at New York customs for 90mins to get through - wife got asked to go for a 'special interview' [16:53] turned up 30mins later very irritated [16:53] danfish: kinky... lol. [16:53] I can imagine [16:54] the New Yorker's we ran into felt the security was nuts and the staff rude etc [16:54] but hey ho, after what they've been through....... [17:01] guys im using firefox on ubunt when i use facebook i have to refresh the page manually to see new post and comments and messages !!! [17:01] ???? [17:06] danfish: it's SFO for me [17:07] Mez: not been there myself, but if reputation is anything to go by, you'll have flowers in your hair and free love within minutes of landing ;) [17:07] danfish: lol... [17:08] danfish: not too sure yet anyway. The company I'm going out for has worldwide offices... but the position I'm applying for is i the US - and thats where my recruiters are [17:12] Mez: still, if they're paying.. [17:12] danfish: yes. They are. [17:14] Mustard! My wife went to SFO a couple of years ago for work and had a great time - food very good [17:26] hmmm. I have a user of a mailing list I run that (accidentally) sent a file with a Trojan in it. Very irritated the mail got blocked and fervently denies a trojan was present. I obviously had to politely reply - now is claiming I've defamed his character etc..... [17:26] getting nasty [17:26] danfish: oh joy [17:27] czajkowski: a mailing list of all of 20 people [17:27] all drs? [17:28] czajkowski: yup - so own assessment of IT ability - amazing, their actual ability, dismal :( [17:29] ugh [17:29] all smart and know they're right [17:29] right [17:29] mind you that makes me sound horribly arrogant ;) [17:29] czajkowski: yup [17:29] czajkowski: enough of that, how's thee? [17:30] danfish: ah ok, bit confused at NHS stuff here [17:30] have 2 letters I know what 1 is for but not another [17:30] but you have this apoinment thingy over here makes no sense :s [17:31] czajkowski: the NHS is a lesson in confusion [17:31] danfish: to be fair I've had a good experience so far [19:04] Hellollo ! [19:39] Hi all.. [19:40] I have a broken machine again. initramfs :( [19:45] I have a broken machine with an initramfs error. It happened previously 2 days ago, but in the middle of a diagnosis it resolved itself. Today, the system froze so I shut it down using the power button, and on reboot, I got the initramfs error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/628040/ when I tried to use the shift key at boot up to It wouldn't go into the menu and I got a kernel panic error message... [19:45] ...: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628888/ [19:46] You should never shut down using the power button while doing an upgrade :| [19:46] safiyyah: You should be able to get a menu when holding shift when starting the computer [19:46] I wasn't upgrading. I had been away for a while and it was on screen saver, I pressed enter to just get back to work and it froze [19:47] MartijnVdS: there was no menu, I got the kernel panic error message [19:47] safiyyah: there shuold be, if you keep shift pressed all the way while the machine is starting [19:48] I am telling you keeping shift pressed down produced that error [19:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/628888/ [19:55] AlanBell, popey, ali1234 [20:00] * Azelphur waves at safiyyah, long time no see :p [20:00] lol Azelphur [20:00] * safiyyah waves back [20:00] did you see my woes? [20:01] left shift [20:01] not right shift [20:01] hehe :p [20:01] ali1234: yes it was the left shift [20:03] wow. they really changed blender since i last used it [20:03] like, entirely [20:04] blenders gord? [20:05] so about diagnositics, does anyone havea clue what is wrong? [20:05] your root filesystem is corrupted [20:05] ^ my thoughts too [20:05] maybe hdd broken, maybe just having a funny day [20:05] probably an intermittent physical error [20:05] also, I have a question - the swap area. is that necessary when I don't have a dual boot [20:05] it's never necessary [20:05] ^ [20:06] but it's nice to have if you don't have a lot of RAM [20:06] as long as you always have enough ram [20:06] this is the output of fdisk - l http://paste.ubuntu.com/628900/ [20:06] hint: you don't have enough ram [20:06] you never can have enough [20:06] 16gb is not enough [20:06] ali1234: lies, I have 12GB with no swap [20:07] 16gb with a seperate home partition is not enough? [20:07] Azelphur: but you can't suspend to disk! [20:07] 16gb is plenty for root filesystem [20:07] OH GOD THE AGONY [20:07] it just isn't enough for ram [20:07] lol suspend to disk with 16gb [20:07] takes longer than rebooting [20:08] safiyyah: swap / ram preferences / amounts depend on how you use your computer at the end of the day [20:08] like MartijnVdS says if you want suspend you need swap [20:08] but if you have a decent amount of ram, and don't usually go anywhere near using it all, then you can skip swap :) [20:08] okay, I dont play any games but I do watch a lot of online streaming media [20:08] so how much swap is needed? [20:08] the safe option is to just have some swap [20:08] as having swap shouldn't cause you any problems, where as not having swap might do [20:08] safiyyah: how much RAM do you have? [20:09] 1gb [20:09] maybe 2GB of swap then? [20:09] (I hear the rule is 2x RAM in swap, although it's an entirely pointless / made up rule) [20:09] sorry my swap has 248 gb, i am not understanding the problem [20:10] 248GB swap O.O what [20:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/628900/ look at this azelphur [20:11] blocks arn't gigabytes o.O [20:11] okay so what are they? [20:11] they are blocks lol [20:12] safiyyah: but your problem is nothing to do with swap [20:12] okay [20:12] safiyyah: you probably have a faulty hard drive [20:12] safiyyah: fire up disk utility and run a full SMART test on it [20:12] Azelphur, I just bought this HDD [20:12] like 2 months a go [20:12] that's good, then it'll be in warranty if it's dead :) [20:12] ali1234: i am sure you remember advising me on which to buy [20:13] i see a disk usage analyser, I am on live disk [20:13] is it something to install? [20:13] safiyyah: which version? [20:13] maverick [20:13] old :o [20:14] yes well lucid live disk will not go into live session :( [20:14] so it's what I had [20:14] disk utility was in maverick I think though :S [20:14] * Azelphur fires up a maverick vm quickly [20:14] * safiyyah thankful for help [20:16] safiyyah: yep, disk utility is in maverick, system > administration > disk utility [20:18] Azelphur: it says the disk is healthy [20:18] :) [20:19] safiyyah: yea, run a full smart test on it [20:19] Azelphur: short, extended or convenyance? [20:20] extended [20:20] extended I guess [20:20] :) [20:20] Argh [20:20] someone mis-ordered the tracks for a CD on MusicBrainz *hate* [20:20] it says it will take tens of minutes [20:20] safiyyah: yep. [20:21] safiyyah: some disks take several hours [20:21] omg! can i install flash and get on with net surfing in the meantime? [20:21] sure [20:21] yes [20:21] the problem is maverick live disk doesn't let me install flash [20:21] You should be able to do almost anything, except restart the machine [20:21] the installation always gets stuck [20:22] safiyyah: are you behind a proxy? [20:22] don't think so MartijnVdS [20:22] * Azelphur is thinking memtest too just to be evil [20:22] safiyyah: what does the installation get stuck on? [20:22] i will do whatever you say boss, [20:23] it gets stuck on "applying changes" [20:23] safiyyah: open up the window (click the arrow) [20:23] boss = Azelphur [20:23] safiyyah: it should give you some text lines [20:23] \o/ [20:23] Azelphur, just don't abandon me in the middle of it all lol [20:24] safiyyah: or just go terminal type sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree [20:24] I won't <3 [20:24] Azelphur: won't work while the GUI apt thingy is still running [20:24] oh, thought she wasn't stuck already [20:24] thought she was avoiding it because it caused problems in the past [20:26] lol I got stuck graphically, but the terminal threw this out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628914/ [20:26] hmm, flash will be in one of those other fun repos that isn't enabled by default on livecd I guess [20:27] * Azelphur breaks out the vm again :p [20:28] i literally just downloaded natty and I hadn't burnt it yet, or put it on live USB, hope I can get hold of it. It sounds like when all this is over, I will need to backup my data and do a fresh install [20:29] safiyyah: applications > software center > edit > software sources tick Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse), wait for the In Progress (1) thing to go away, then go back to terminal and run sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree again [20:30] Azelphur, which VM software do you use? [20:31] safiyyah: virtualbox [20:31] did you pay for it to enable USB devices? [20:31] there is no pay for edition of virtualbox [20:31] the USB enabled one is free it's just not open source [20:32] oh when I get this running I will come back to look for you on that [20:32] ok :) [20:35] okay the self test says it cancelled, with a hard or soft reset [20:35] i didnt touch the power button! [20:35] MartijnVdS: any ideas on ^? [20:36] and the flash plugin is stuck... on the Unpacking flashplugin-installer (from .../flashplugin-installer_10.3.181.26ubuntu0.10.10.1_i386.deb) ... bit [20:37] my memtest sense is tingling even more now xD [20:37] can't hurt to run memtest, lets do that and see if that's causing the problem [20:38] yes memtest involves rebooting [20:38] what do i do again? [20:38] yea, but since the test cancelled anyway [20:38] reboot and boot from the LiveCD, holding left shift [20:38] you should be presented with a memtest option [20:38] okay. [20:38] i will be back after some 30 or more minutes I take it? [20:39] yea, something like that [20:40] okay, don't abandon me will be back on live disk asap [20:41] you can pop off the the time though :P [20:41] I'll be here, probably gonna go nab a microwave meal though :P [20:41] :D [21:13] evening all [21:14] Anyone got any idea how I'd debug cron jobs not running at all? [21:14] it just randomly decided to stop working about 7 weeks ago [21:16] known issue [21:16] restart the cron daemon [21:16] how do I restart it? [21:16] sudo service crond restart [21:16] cool, ty :) [21:16]