[00:01] <micahg> charlie-tca: can you approve a message to xubuntu-devel?
[00:02] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:02] <charlie-tca> Did you send already?
[00:02] <micahg> yep
[00:05] <charlie-tca> approved, micahg 
[00:05] <micahg> charlie-tca: thanks
[00:05] <charlie-tca> np
[00:08]  * micahg hopes some people will test
[00:10] <micahg> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-June/007830.html for those not on the ML
[00:10] <micahg> charlie-tca: is it worth a meeting reminder for Sunday?
[00:11] <charlie-tca> sure
[00:11] <charlie-tca> I forgot
[00:11] <charlie-tca> I will send one, tonight
[00:11] <micahg> k
[00:14] <astraljava> People use Firefox still?! :D
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Thanks for reminding me
[00:14] <micahg> it's xubuntu's default :)
[00:14] <charlie-tca> astraljava: yup, at least some of us old folks
[00:14] <astraljava> Yeah yeah. :D
[00:14] <astraljava> Sorry, a bit tipsy here. :)
[00:14] <GridCube> sadly is not ff3 and its ff4 and will be 5 so... downgrading!
[00:15] <micahg> ?
[00:15] <astraljava> HUGE changes in life in the coming weeks, so needed to vent a little.
[00:16] <charlie-tca> We'll just ignore you if you get too tipsy :)
[00:16] <astraljava> I know. That's what people do. :D
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Heh, sometimes it is necessary
[00:17] <charlie-tca> I guess this expensive keyboard wasn't worth it after all. It can't spell no better than the old, cheap keyboard.
[00:18] <astraljava> What's that, then?
[00:19] <micahg> GridCube: I was wondering about your comment?
[00:20] <astraljava> I got a Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse. Works great, though sometimes I have trouble finding the proper keys. It's a tad formed according to how palms rest on keyboards normally.
[00:20] <astraljava> Ie. slightly bent outwards from the wrists.
[00:23] <GridCube> oh, you know when stuff change micahg? and you dont like change? and you have to live whit programers thinking for you, taking options from you, eliminating menus, changing where options are "because they are better elsewhere" adding stuff just for the sake of adding stuff but that doenst really do anything good, i don't like that sort of stuff, thats why i didn't liked ff4, but then again i don't like when people change stuff that actually works
[00:23] <GridCube>  "because it will be better" and then i just have to live whit that
[00:23] <micahg> GridCube: heh, we're kinda stuck here
[00:24] <micahg> this is the new world for browsers, rapid release
[00:24] <micahg> GridCube: BTW, you can make firefox 4+ look almost like Firefox 3
[00:25] <micahg> it'll just be faster and more secure
[00:29] <GridCube> yes, i know, and for that i still like firefox, at least they dont force you to that "tab on top paradigm" that i really, really, really dislike, i don't think i am the only person in the world that uses a dock on the top side of the window, so if i go to the tabs, the dock will pop up and it will mess whit my tabs and stuff, and then if gods ever let me down and they follow that incredibly irracional trend that windows7 started of "one menu does
[00:29] <GridCube>  all" i will simply stop using internet
[01:01] <knome> yet another quick demo: http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/imgcapt/
[01:03] <GridCube> nice thingy
[01:10] <charlie-tca> I don't like those orange dots all over :(
[01:10] <knome> charlie-tca, did you try hovering them?
[01:11] <charlie-tca> but I think I get the idea
[01:11] <charlie-tca> yup, I like that part
[01:11] <knome> well yeah, the dot part is completely customisable
[01:11] <charlie-tca> I just don't like the orange color.
[01:11] <charlie-tca> lol
[01:11] <knome> it's just a png image sitting there
[01:11] <charlie-tca> I do like what it does! It is great. Will the website have that, too?
[01:12] <knome> well, if we want, we can have that
[01:12] <knome> but we have to think about it, since we already have the installer slideshow, and the picslider i showed you earlier
[01:12] <charlie-tca> Something to think about. I suppose we would have to tell users what to do.
[01:12] <knome> i'm building this primarily for shimmer blog, we're going to set up some gmb "power user" tutorials
[01:12] <charlie-tca> The picslider made me dizzy, with the fades.
[01:13] <charlie-tca> You got some powerful stuff happening there.
[01:13] <knome> mmh. this won't work in the frontpage though, as it obviously needs quite a lot of space
[01:14] <charlie-tca> Okay. Just stick with slideshow and picslider, or even just the slideshow. It is very showy for a website.
[01:15] <knome> i still haven't converted that :)
[01:15] <knome> but i don't think that would work either on the frontpage
[01:15] <charlie-tca> no, lightdm doesn't have icons in use yet. 
[01:15] <knome> maybe we can work out an another transition for the "slides" that makes you feel less dizzy
[01:15] <charlie-tca> The thing is not ready for users to customize, it is still being worked pretty hard just to get it to work.
[01:16] <knome> though currently, the slide show time is quite slow already, so the effect doesn't happen too often
[01:16] <knome> and you probably aren't looking at the frontpage for hours
[01:16] <charlie-tca> MIght be. Otherwise, I will have to avoid the thing.
[01:16] <charlie-tca> true, I don't look too often, either
[01:16] <charlie-tca> I run the rss feed, so I get the news stuff
[01:16] <knome> mmh, and when you (or anybody else) do, you probably click away quite fast
[01:17] <charlie-tca> heh, sometimes
[01:17] <knome> i didn't think that we'd include the slider in the rss feed, but now that you say it... ;)
[01:17] <knome> (seriously i don't think if any rss reader even support js...)
[01:17] <knome> s/think/know/
[01:17] <charlie-tca> it isn' t
[01:18] <knome> thunderbird just might.
[01:18] <charlie-tca> but to read the news feed and other stuff, I just use the feed
[01:18] <charlie-tca> I don' t go to the website to read the stuff, since it comes to me.
[01:19] <knome> exactly.
[01:19] <charlie-tca> I don' t think we want to send the slideshow to a feed
[01:19] <charlie-tca> I guess then the dizzy factor goes way down, huh?
[01:19] <knome> heh, of course we don't want it there
[01:20] <knome> i was just thinking if it was technically possible
[01:20] <charlie-tca> ah, okay
[01:20] <knome> could be fun to send some js-enabled mail
[01:20] <charlie-tca> I am sure there is a way, if you worked at it hard enough
[01:20] <knome> though, wouldn't be that fun to receive one
[01:20] <charlie-tca> I hate the mail with flash in it, or whatever that stuff they use now is.
[01:21] <knome> i skip most mail anyway
[01:21] <charlie-tca> There is very little chance I will read it unless it is plain text
[01:22] <charlie-tca> Well, I guess I better go eat dinner
[01:22] <knome> bon appetit
[01:22] <charlie-tca> Good luck with the flashy stuff. It looks exciting!
[01:22] <knome> i'll stay awake for some more, and then fall to bed
[01:22] <knome> see you later
[01:23] <knome> and thanks for the feedback, that's always welcome
[03:02] <knome> charlie-tca, if you are still there, http://temp.knome.fi/shimmer/imgcapt/ is now updated!
[03:51] <knome> moved to http://demo.knome.fi/imgcapt/
[11:06] <knome> Guest61923, hello
[11:06] <Guest61923> hello!
[13:09] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:10] <charlie-tca> Am I the only person can NOT log in to https://wiki.ubuntu.com today?
[13:52] <charlie-tca> I got it!
[13:53] <charlie-tca> changing the theme on https://wiki.ubuntu.com creates a conflict at the server, and locks out the user
[14:08] <charlie-tca> We have images, some of which at least are usable!
[14:49] <charlie-tca> Still no Xubuntu Session when installing Oneiric - http://pad.lv/795575
[15:06] <charlie-tca> 386 desktop image now has the Edubuntu slideshow! How interesting...
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Installed using the cd menu, install Xubuntu
[15:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: after installing, all images still won't login to a Xubuntu desktop. They are using Xfce sessions only.
[15:27] <charlie-tca> 386 desktop does install Xubuntu, even if it gives the edubuntu slideshow today
[16:06] <ochosi> charlie-tca: now i'm here
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Good evening
[16:07] <ochosi> is the question from #xubuntu still relevant? (didn't read the full log now9
[16:08] <charlie-tca> starting thunderbird minimized?
[16:08] <ochosi> think it was some theming question
[16:08] <ochosi> you pinged me at the time
[16:09] <charlie-tca> no, knome took care of the person
[16:09] <ochosi> ah ok, good
[16:09] <ochosi> btw, i think i succeeded in coming up with a cool new scrollbar-style
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Better than what Unity did, right?
[16:11] <ochosi> yeah, i think it's nicer looking than our current greybird-scrollbar
[16:11] <ochosi> it's without arrows
[16:11] <charlie-tca> sorry, really hate trying to hit that scrollbar in Unity
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Great!
[16:11] <charlie-tca> This black scrollbar in terminal is starting to drive me nuts
[16:13] <mr_pouit> hey there
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Hello, mr_pouit 
[16:13] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: sure, because I didn't upload any fix ;>
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:13] <charlie-tca> What about the edubuntu slideshow?
[16:14] <charlie-tca> and why is that on Xubuntu cd's?
[16:14] <mr_pouit> ah, that I don't know
[16:14] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:14] <charlie-tca> At least we did get images, and they are xubuntu today
[16:15] <charlie-tca> Now we get to try and keep them, right?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> um, by the way, I can not make any changes to wiki.ubuntu.com, since I can not log in now
[16:20] <ochosi> hey lionel
[16:26] <mr_pouit> same here, I can't even log in anymore
[16:26] <mr_pouit> this update was a great improvement
[16:26] <mr_pouit> hey ochosi 
[16:26] <ochosi> :}
[16:26] <charlie-tca> I just sent an email to rt requesting they update the meeting page for me.
[16:27] <charlie-tca> I will probably just keep sending requests per:
[16:28] <charlie-tca> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-June/000859.html
[16:29] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I sent two tickets to rt already for the login issue. no response
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Meeting will be Sunday at 22:00 UTC. Agenda in email, since wiki can not be changed
[17:02] <knome> yay for fixing the wiki
[17:02] <knome> ;)
[17:02] <charlie-tca> :(
[17:02] <charlie-tca> It' s faster now, though! and I have no errors trying to update it (of course, I can not log in either)
[17:03]  * charlie-tca thinks he is on the RT hate mail list, too, now
[17:14] <knome> maybe you now start to see my negative POV against the IS as well as the canonicl bureaucracy
[17:14] <knome> it's not irrational negativiness
[17:16] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:16] <charlie-tca> but we can't let it keep us from using stuff, can we?
[17:17]  * charlie-tca has hopes yet to be able to use the wiki
[17:17] <knome> well, we can't let them make stuff happen slowly either. let me remind you, it took over two years to do a simple redirection from x.com to x.org
[17:18] <knome> it is slowing the whole team down, and as we have limited resources, that's a bad thing, especially if we are pending on stuff like that
[17:26] <charlie-tca> yeah, now x.com and x.net are missing again
[17:26] <charlie-tca> heh
[17:26] <knome> awwwh
[17:26] <knome> we'll probably get them up by 2014 if you file an RT ticket right away
[17:29] <pleia2> charlie-tca: updated wiki
[17:29] <charlie-tca> You can login?
[17:29] <pleia2> eryeah
[17:29] <pleia2> oh, forgot the header thing
[17:30] <pleia2> there
[17:30] <pleia2> ok, heading out now
[17:30] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:33] <charlie-tca> nice work in #x, knome 
[17:33] <knome> heh, no problem
[17:34] <knome> bbl ->
[20:33] <knome> charlie-tca, are you sure you want to let keepingdreams.com die?
[20:34] <knome> charlie-tca, did you file a ticket in the RT yet for the .com and .net domains?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> no, pleia2 did that one
[20:34] <charlie-tca> keepingdreams.com?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> It is good until september yet, isn' t it?
[20:35] <knome> i mean the content part and all
[20:35] <knome> i can't see the new ticket in rt yet, but that's probably not public yet then
[20:36] <charlie-tca> I don' t know yet. It doesn't seem very up-to-date. Maybe I should turn it into a blog on it's own, but I am bad at that blog thing
[20:36] <knome> maybe try something really "light" blogging
[20:36] <knome> a light theme that doesn't shout for long articles
[20:36] <knome> just a few sentences now and then
[20:37] <charlie-tca> and you think I can manage that?
[20:37] <knome> why not?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> so, maybe something once a month or so will work?
[20:38] <knome> sure
[20:38] <charlie-tca> That's a good idea then. I will have to seriously think about it.
[20:39] <knome> but if you are going with the short articles, you can probably easily write at least twice a month, especially when we are nearing a release
[20:39] <knome> the last article in my blog is from may 10, and that's not awfully far away - yet
[20:39] <knome> sometimes you just update slower
[20:42] <charlie-tca> I guess maybe. ;)
[20:42] <charlie-tca> You might have a really good idea there for me
[20:42] <knome> mm-hmm.
[20:42] <knome> then just spice that idea up with a really really clean and basic theme
[20:44] <knome> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/platform
[20:45] <knome> http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/clear
[23:12] <Pjotr> Hello, I have a feature request for Xubuntu
[23:13] <Pjotr> The default screensaver should be black screen, not random
[23:13] <Pjotr> Because some screensavers cause crashes on some hardware
[23:13] <Pjotr> The default screensaver should be failsafe, i.e. black screen
[23:17] <Pjotr> It would be an important improvement, because I think Xubuntu has become so good, that it'll be the Next Big Thing. The ideal alternative for those who miss Gnome 2 in October
[23:18] <Pjotr> Therefore I think it's important to remove a paper cut like this screensaver default
[23:19] <mr_pouit> could you file a bug on launchpad against xubuntu-default-settings? otherwise it's likely to be forgotten ;-)
[23:20] <Pjotr> Will do. Thanks for replying. :-)
[23:21] <charlie-tca> Gonna be growing pains? or is it just pain in the ???
[23:28] <Pjotr> @mr_pouit: I just filed a bug report like you suggested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/799268
[23:37] <mr_pouit> thanks
[23:37] <GridCube> :P how do i second?
[23:37] <GridCube> clik on "this problem affects 1 person, does it affect you?" and say yes? XD
[23:39] <Pjotr> @mr_pouit: you're welcome. Keep up the good work, Xubuntu has become a great distro!
[23:40] <Pjotr> @GridCube: Tx for the support.
[23:40] <Pjotr> Have to go now. Bye all.
[23:40] <charlie-tca> Yes, GridCube 
[23:41] <GridCube> :D done