[01:23] <Jordan_U> Any objections to a banforward for flyback (see #ubuntu)?
[01:23] <bazhang> sure. I already @mark'd him
[01:30] <bazhang> what about metatagg
[01:30] <bazhang> forward to ##fix_your_connection ?
[01:54] <Corey> .w
[01:54] <Corey> sudokill: How can we help you?
[01:54] <sudokill> hi can i request an unban from #ubunut?
[01:54] <sudokill> ubuntu*
[01:55] <Corey> Stand by, checking.
[01:55] <sudokill> ok
[01:56] <Corey> sudokill: Looks like you were a bit off topic a few day back...
[01:56] <Corey> !coc > sudokill
[01:56] <Corey> sudokill: Please review the code of conduct. :-)
[01:57] <sudokill> alright
[01:57] <sudokill> i know why i was banned i was just being silly
[01:57] <Corey> sudokill: That's what #ubuntu-offtopic is for going forward. :-)
[01:57] <sudokill> :)
[01:58] <Corey> sudokill: Go play.  Please behave.
[01:58] <sudokill> ok thanks
[01:58] <Corey> I've pulled the ban in question.
[01:58] <Corey> No worries.
[01:58] <Corey> That was painless.
[04:55] <bazhang> l2user and hanzo
[04:58] <IdleOne> looks like they were testing a bot, tester
[05:53] <bazhang> Juest, hi
[05:53] <Juest> hi, i came to deal with the trouble
[05:53] <bazhang> Juest, what trouble
[05:53] <Juest> UMMMMM
[05:53] <Juest> ups
[05:54] <bazhang> Juest, yes?
[05:54] <Juest> umm, check log from 17/6
[05:54] <bazhang> Juest, better you tell me directly
[05:55] <Juest> welll
[05:55] <bazhang> ?
[05:56] <Juest> i just don't remember well...
[05:58] <bazhang> Juest, no way to help you then
[05:58] <Juest> -.-
[05:59] <bazhang> Juest, you said "the trouble"
[05:59] <Juest> someone here remembers about my iusse the day 17/6?
[05:59] <bazhang> Juest, your ban in #ubuntu ?
[06:00] <Juest> yeah
[06:00] <bazhang> Juest, okay, and?
[06:01] <Juest> i don't know, they told me to come back when i have a suitable platform to face my iusses
[06:02] <bazhang> Juest, you know why you were banned in #ubuntu ?
[06:04] <Juest> yes, because lie and guidelines fail
[06:06] <bazhang> Juest, please take a few minutes and read the guidelines and code of conduct for the ubuntu channels
[06:06] <bazhang> !guidelines | Juest
[06:06] <bazhang> !coc > Juest
[06:06] <Juest> :(
[06:06] <bazhang> ?
[06:07] <Juest> wondering, what are all channels?
[06:07] <bazhang> Juest, are you going to try to resolve this or not
[06:08] <bazhang> Juest, if so, go ahead and read those two linked documents and we can resume in a few minutes
[06:08] <Juest> yes, but i just trying to behave well, i just want to get support
[06:10] <Juest> i just want to know about every channel
[06:20] <Juest> what channels are supervised by you guys?
[06:28] <bazhang> Juest, have you read the code of conduct and the guidelines in their entirety?
[06:29] <Juest> :(
[06:29] <Juest> too lazy
[06:29] <Juest> it's 2:30AM
[06:30] <bazhang> Juest, okay, then no way to move forward. Please dont idle in this channel.
[06:31] <Juest> :(
[06:32] <Juest> i was going to somewhere when i came here at 17/6
[06:32] <bazhang> Juest, you won't read the guidelines or the code of conduct, there's no way to go forward.
[06:33] <bazhang> Juest, your ban will not be lifted in #ubuntu .
[06:34] <Juest> :(
[06:34] <bazhang> Juest, was there anything else?
[06:37] <bazhang> Juest, I can see you are active, please respond
[06:37] <Juest> yes, just wanting to know what channels are managed by you guys
[06:37] <bazhang> !alis | Juest
[06:38] <Juest> oh thanks
[06:41] <bazhang> Juest, you are welcome. Please don't idle here as our business is concluded. Thanks.
[06:41] <Juest> well
 What? THere is no damn topic. It's just a mishmash of people with problems who don't know how to use google!!
[07:45] <bazhang> lovely
[12:19] <elky> heads up, the wiki login seems b0rked
[12:22] <oCean> changelogs.ubuntu.com seems unreachable.
[16:09] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu Tester Being spammy
[18:33] <Jordan_U> !terminal
[18:34] <Jordan_U> ^^ Needs to be updated to include Unity, though I can't think of a concise way to phrase it.
[19:07] <IdleOne> Unity -> alt-F2 -> type terminal -> hit enter key ?
[19:08] <Tm_T> IdleOne: that might work in any of those desktops
[19:08] <IdleOne> Tm_T: I think it would
[19:11] <charlie-tca> unity Ctrl+Alt+t opens a terminal
[19:17] <topyli> i just wrote a long unity review, but i now realize i never looked at the menu stuff
[19:17] <topyli> iirc it has application catecories just like the old menu, so accessories -> terminal should exist
[19:24] <tonyyarusso> By default it shows all applications together - you have to click a rather inconspicuous dropdown in the upper right and select Accessories.
[19:26] <charlie-tca> topyli: Ithought your review was very fair
[19:27] <topyli> i do my best to be fair, but i make no effort to be objective. i approach stuff from my own needs and workflow
[19:28] <topyli> hence, no word about menus for example :)
[19:29] <topyli> tried to make my own idiosyncracies transparent in the first part's preamble though
[19:31] <topyli> tonyyarusso: ah ok, so it's designed for search. fortunately it works great
[19:31]  * tonyyarusso doesn't want to search for applications :(
[19:31] <charlie-tca> It is quite impartial
[19:32] <topyli> most people only run a handful of apps anyway, and those fit nicely in the launcher as favorites
[19:34] <tonyyarusso> Oh, no argument there - Unity is great for most people.  It just still sucks for *me*.
[19:35] <charlie-tca> right. I think it is great for new people, I just don' t work the way it does.
[19:37] <tonyyarusso> I saw a screencast of gnome-shell and that looks more promising for me.
[19:39] <topyli> it's pretty great, but not without annoyances of course. love the workspaces. great window management
[19:40] <topyli> the worst thing is when you enter the 'overlay' or the activities view, whatever it's called, you can do nothing with the keyboard. you *must* click stuff to activate a window or a workspace
[19:40] <tonyyarusso> eww
[19:40] <charlie-tca> yeah, that kind of sucks for people that can not use a mouse
[19:40] <topyli> the trick is of course is not to go there if you want to use keyboard for window/workspace management :)
[19:42] <tonyyarusso> Does nobody do usability testing anymore?
[19:42] <topyli> charlie-tca: those people will activate the 'mouse keys', readily available in the accessibility menu
[19:42] <charlie-tca> yes, we do
[19:43] <charlie-tca> But, if the devs don't listen because usability messes with "pretty", what difference does it make?
[19:43] <charlie-tca> That they got to how?
[19:44] <topyli> you can focus the panel with the keyboard, and select panel items then
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Isn't that like telling the user that needs on onscreen keyboard "Just open a terminal and type onboard, hit enter" to start it?
[19:44] <topyli> i forget the shortcut, but it's easy enough. same as in gnome2
[19:45] <charlie-tca> I better go hide again. I get a bit frustrated with usability
[19:45] <topyli> i'm sure there are other ways to enable accessibility. i'm just not familiar with the tricks. gnome has an accessibility team too you know :)
[19:46] <tonyyarusso> And the reason you wouldn't program it to allow the keyboard by default would be?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> yup, I do. Unity threw out everything they do
[19:47] <charlie-tca> tonyyarusso: we can't even get ubuntu to put it back in the menus
[19:47] <tonyyarusso> I thought Unity's goal was to make accessibility better :(
[19:47] <topyli> ok, looks like orca is available quite easily in the menu
[19:47] <charlie-tca> no, it was to make usability better/the same for all sizes of computers and phones
[19:47] <tonyyarusso> So, universal suckage?
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Orca is a screen reader
[19:48] <charlie-tca> find Onboard
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Accessibility started at 0% at the beginning of Natty, and ended somewhere close to 50%
[19:48] <topyli> oh it's sneakily called "on-screen keyboard"
[19:49] <topyli> fooled me!