=== jrib is now known as Guest88340 === Guest88340 is now known as jrib [01:23] Any objections to a banforward for flyback (see #ubuntu)? [01:23] sure. I already @mark'd him [01:30] what about metatagg [01:30] forward to ##fix_your_connection ? [01:54] .w [01:54] sudokill: How can we help you? [01:54] hi can i request an unban from #ubunut? [01:54] ubuntu* [01:55] Stand by, checking. [01:55] ok [01:56] sudokill: Looks like you were a bit off topic a few day back... [01:56] !coc > sudokill [01:56] sudokill, please see my private message [01:56] sudokill: Please review the code of conduct. :-) [01:57] alright [01:57] i know why i was banned i was just being silly [01:57] sudokill: That's what #ubuntu-offtopic is for going forward. :-) [01:57] :) [01:58] sudokill: Go play. Please behave. [01:58] ok thanks [01:58] I've pulled the ban in question. [01:58] No worries. [01:58] That was painless. [04:52] In #ubuntu, Hanzo said: !Tiowero: who is new gm? [04:55] l2user and hanzo [04:58] looks like they were testing a bot, tester [05:53] Juest, hi [05:53] hi, i came to deal with the trouble [05:53] Juest, what trouble [05:53] UMMMMM [05:53] ups [05:54] Juest, yes? [05:54] umm, check log from 17/6 [05:54] Juest, better you tell me directly [05:55] welll [05:55] ? [05:56] i just don't remember well... [05:58] Juest, no way to help you then [05:58] -.- [05:59] Juest, you said "the trouble" [05:59] someone here remembers about my iusse the day 17/6? [05:59] Juest, your ban in #ubuntu ? [06:00] yeah [06:00] Juest, okay, and? [06:01] i don't know, they told me to come back when i have a suitable platform to face my iusses [06:02] Juest, you know why you were banned in #ubuntu ? [06:04] yes, because lie and guidelines fail [06:06] Juest, please take a few minutes and read the guidelines and code of conduct for the ubuntu channels [06:06] !guidelines | Juest [06:06] Juest: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [06:06] !coc > Juest [06:06] Juest, please see my private message [06:06] :( [06:06] ? [06:07] wondering, what are all channels? [06:07] Juest, are you going to try to resolve this or not [06:08] Juest, if so, go ahead and read those two linked documents and we can resume in a few minutes [06:08] yes, but i just trying to behave well, i just want to get support [06:10] i just want to know about every channel [06:20] what channels are supervised by you guys? [06:28] Juest, have you read the code of conduct and the guidelines in their entirety? [06:29] :( [06:29] too lazy [06:29] it's 2:30AM [06:30] Juest, okay, then no way to move forward. Please dont idle in this channel. [06:31] :( [06:32] i was going to somewhere when i came here at 17/6 [06:32] Juest, you won't read the guidelines or the code of conduct, there's no way to go forward. [06:33] Juest, your ban will not be lifted in #ubuntu . [06:34] :( [06:34] Juest, was there anything else? [06:37] Juest, I can see you are active, please respond [06:37] yes, just wanting to know what channels are managed by you guys [06:37] !alis | Juest [06:37] Juest: alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" for help and ask any questions about it in #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu* [06:38] oh thanks [06:41] Juest, you are welcome. Please don't idle here as our business is concluded. Thanks. [06:41] well [07:45] What? THere is no damn topic. It's just a mishmash of people with problems who don't know how to use google!! [07:45] lovely [12:19] heads up, the wiki login seems b0rked [12:22] changelogs.ubuntu.com seems unreachable. [13:12] In #ubuntu, salvatore_ said: ubottu: I hope that is not a bug [16:07] koshieFinalReliz called the ops in #ubuntu () [16:09] @mark #ubuntu Tester Being spammy [16:09] The operation succeeded. [18:33] !terminal [18:33] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [18:34] ^^ Needs to be updated to include Unity, though I can't think of a concise way to phrase it. [19:07] Unity -> alt-F2 -> type terminal -> hit enter key ? [19:08] IdleOne: that might work in any of those desktops [19:08] Tm_T: I think it would [19:11] unity Ctrl+Alt+t opens a terminal [19:17] i just wrote a long unity review, but i now realize i never looked at the menu stuff [19:17] iirc it has application catecories just like the old menu, so accessories -> terminal should exist [19:24] By default it shows all applications together - you have to click a rather inconspicuous dropdown in the upper right and select Accessories. [19:26] topyli: Ithought your review was very fair [19:27] i do my best to be fair, but i make no effort to be objective. i approach stuff from my own needs and workflow [19:28] hence, no word about menus for example :) [19:29] tried to make my own idiosyncracies transparent in the first part's preamble though [19:31] tonyyarusso: ah ok, so it's designed for search. fortunately it works great [19:31] * tonyyarusso doesn't want to search for applications :( [19:31] It is quite impartial [19:32] most people only run a handful of apps anyway, and those fit nicely in the launcher as favorites [19:34] Oh, no argument there - Unity is great for most people. It just still sucks for *me*. [19:35] right. I think it is great for new people, I just don' t work the way it does. [19:37] I saw a screencast of gnome-shell and that looks more promising for me. [19:39] it's pretty great, but not without annoyances of course. love the workspaces. great window management [19:40] the worst thing is when you enter the 'overlay' or the activities view, whatever it's called, you can do nothing with the keyboard. you *must* click stuff to activate a window or a workspace [19:40] eww [19:40] yeah, that kind of sucks for people that can not use a mouse [19:40] the trick is of course is not to go there if you want to use keyboard for window/workspace management :) [19:42] Does nobody do usability testing anymore? [19:42] charlie-tca: those people will activate the 'mouse keys', readily available in the accessibility menu [19:42] yes, we do [19:43] But, if the devs don't listen because usability messes with "pretty", what difference does it make? [19:43] That they got to how? [19:44] you can focus the panel with the keyboard, and select panel items then [19:44] Isn't that like telling the user that needs on onscreen keyboard "Just open a terminal and type onboard, hit enter" to start it? [19:44] i forget the shortcut, but it's easy enough. same as in gnome2 [19:45] I better go hide again. I get a bit frustrated with usability [19:45] i'm sure there are other ways to enable accessibility. i'm just not familiar with the tricks. gnome has an accessibility team too you know :) [19:46] And the reason you wouldn't program it to allow the keyboard by default would be? [19:46] yup, I do. Unity threw out everything they do [19:47] tonyyarusso: we can't even get ubuntu to put it back in the menus [19:47] I thought Unity's goal was to make accessibility better :( [19:47] ok, looks like orca is available quite easily in the menu [19:47] no, it was to make usability better/the same for all sizes of computers and phones [19:47] So, universal suckage? [19:47] Orca is a screen reader [19:48] find Onboard [19:48] Accessibility started at 0% at the beginning of Natty, and ended somewhere close to 50% [19:48] oh it's sneakily called "on-screen keyboard" [19:49] fooled me!