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safiyyahokay so it has been stuck at 5% for what seems to feel like 10 minutes to me00:00
safiyyahokay so am going to bed, you will find me here tomorrow morning00:03
safiyyahwith the same issues00:03
safiyyaham tired and grumpy00:03
safiyyahi just want a warm pillow now00:03
safiyyahthank you guys as always00:04
zaahirBonne nuit à tous, salut ! ليل سعيد السلام عليكم Good night every body !00:04
safiyyahso Azelphur it turns out you are right00:13
AzelphurI am?00:13
safiyyahI am back in the system00:13
Azelphuryay \o/00:14
safiyyahlol00:14
safiyyahI think I will back everything up and make the live disks right now00:14
Azelphurnow about that anything you was going to do for me...00:14
Azelphurjk :p00:14
safiyyahno bed for me00:14
safiyyahrofl00:14
Azelphuryea, fsck found an issue and fixed it, something is definitely dodgy00:14
Azelphura backup sounds like a good idea00:14
safiyyahyeah am going to stay up and do it00:14
Azelphur:)00:15
safiyyahI will also make the iso Cd for the manufacturer and for natty00:15
safiyyahi am worried anytime I will get a rubbish boot up again00:15
Azelphursafiyyah: I had a problem like this with a PC I was selling and the buyer was arriving in 30 minutes to pick it up00:16
Azelphurnerve racking xD00:16
safiyyahrofl00:16
safiyyahfsck helped you?00:16
safiyyahrofl00:16
Azelphurnah, it turned out to be Ubuntu trying to raid with drives that wasn't there00:16
Azelphurand it kept messing things up00:16
Azelphurstupid dmraid00:16
safiyyahhow did you figure that out?00:17
AzelphurI figured it out after, it used to be my PC so I realized what it was up to00:19
safiyyahUnetbootin is stuck again!00:19
penguin42safiyyah: Any errors in dmesg?00:20
safiyyahooops spoke too soon00:20
safiyyahit finished00:20
safiyyahokay live USB for natty done!00:20
safiyyahpulling out external hard drive00:20
safiyyahlol00:20
Azelphur\o/00:29
safiyyahlol I have done my live disks , i am doing a fresh download of lucid to make a new live disk00:38
safiyyahhopefully if anything dies again, I am prepared00:38
hamitron:)00:38
Azelphursafiyyah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p73PZIDQuA00:46
Azelphurcouldn't resist :p00:46
safiyyahI need help with the samsung tool iso -when i try to burn an image, when i select it it goes into a random folder instead and when i use start up disk tool same thing00:52
Azelphurwhen you select what?00:52
safiyyahlol Azelphur indeed I was not prepared00:52
AzelphurxD00:53
safiyyahi downloaded the samsung hdd tool, CD version. It's a zip file, so I extracted it. its whatever.iso so when I try to burn an image of it, when I select it from brasero, it randomly goes into a different folder altogether (note I just burt an image of natty with no issues)00:54
safiyyahsame thing when I use the start up disk tool (note I just made a live USB from start up disk tool no issue)00:54
Azelphursafiyyah: extract the iso from the zip file00:56
Azelphurright click on the iso, write to disc00:56
safiyyahwill that still burn an image?00:57
safiyyahbecause that does work00:58
safiyyahbut I was worried it would be faulty00:58
safiyyahAzelphur,00:59
Azelphursafiyyah: that will just burn an image01:00
safiyyahokay off we go!01:01
safiyyahAzelphur,  Goodnight - finished everything, surprise the backup ran faster than expected, got all the disks done, so hopefully I am not in for a rude shock. I will run the samsung tool tomorrow though (even if it doesn't die again), it will be interesting to see the report01:21
Azelphursafiyyah: yea, I think that samsung tool wipes your hdd01:21
Azelphurso make sure your backups are good01:21
safiyyahwell the data backup is good, already checked, I will have to test the live disks for errors01:22
safiyyahbut it won't be tonight lol! the window of opportunity was the reason i stayed up01:23
safiyyahI will be the one crying tomorrow morning when the kids get up01:23
safiyyahlol01:23
safiyyahnight night01:23
Azelphur:)01:23
ibroadfohi, is there a unity-approved way to get gmail notifications in my systray?02:52
ubuntuuk-planet[Andy Loughran] Choosing a CMS - http://zrmt.com/2011/06/16/choosing-a-cms/08:03
ubuntuuk-planet[Andy Loughran] Birmigham and Solihull Rugby [Sponsorship Opportunity] - http://zrmt.com/2011/06/17/birmigham-and-solihull-rugby-sponsorship-opportunity/08:03
jibadeehado iphone 4 work well with ubuntu09:19
AlanBellmorning all09:26
AlanBelljibadeeha: Apple are trying to make the PC redundant anyway so the iPhone should work without anything09:26
AlanBellbut yeah, you can sync and copy stuff to it, charge it and tether to it09:27
MartijnVdSAlanBell: doesn't it depend on itunes for installing new apps?09:27
AlanBellMartijnVdS: not any more apparently, they are going to stop shipping them bricked09:27
MartijnVdSGood thing I have android devices :P09:27
AlanBellme too09:28
jibadeehaAlanBell, i was toying with the idea of getting one but think i will stick to android based phone as i love all the integration with gmail, etc09:34
czajkowskialoha09:56
czajkowskiAlanBell: any idea where one can get an assus with ubuntu being sold now ?09:56
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danfishmorning10:07
danfishI really need to learn some relaxation techniques - I cannot shut my brain off at night to allow me to sleep :(10:07
MartijnVdSdanfish: Try a "shutdown ritual" -- walk around the house turning off all the lights, brush your teeth, etc. That should help prepare your mind for sleep.10:10
MartijnVdSdanfish: also, stop staring into a light (i.e. your monitor) some time before sleep10:10
popeyczajkowski: dont think they're available yet10:12
danfishMartijnVdS: that's good advice. I used to read before bed which used to help - I think I need to restart (?maybe time to buy a kindle)10:16
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:37
AlanBellmorning czajkowski, no idea, don't think they are out10:45
AlanBellczajkowski: trouble with the mini-9?10:45
czajkowskinope10:45
czajkowskijust curious10:45
brobostigonhttp://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cross-stitch-for-nerds-12-e1308336745909.jpg10:46
AlanBellnice10:47
AlanBellthere is lots of stuff like that on etsy10:47
MartijnVdSetsy eft? :P10:48
AlanBellhttp://www.etsy.com10:48
MartijnVdSAlanBell: I'm trying to get my mother to sell stuff on etsy, she was telling me how much she had been knitting last year (A LOT)10:48
AlanBellmaco does stuff there, not sure it is geeky though10:48
AlanBellhttp://www.etsy.com/shop/SimplyMaco10:49
brobostigonit certainly hit my nerdy/geeky bone.10:49
AlanBellhttp://www.neatorama.com/2011/03/09/30-great-geeky-cross-stitches/10:50
AlanBellquite impressed by the QR code10:51
AlanBellif my phone hadn't been stolen by Angry Birds adicts I would see if it works10:52
popeyAlanBell: you recently did a new logo for the team...11:04
popeyhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk <- that should use it11:04
AlanBellit probably should, I did spend a little time trying to do a square version11:05
brobostigonubuntu publicity, for 2 seconds, on bbc click, inclusive of ubuntu logo.11:34
popeyheh11:41
popeyBlipverts11:41
brobostigonyes.11:41
penguin42that's an annoying bug - the window manager from gdm surviving through to the session and screwing it up12:22
hackersrusAfternoons :)13:03
hackersrusJust downloaded/upgraded to the new Ubuntu :) using my Samsung Galaxy for the internet was very quick and simple .. got to love the 3 network! ;P13:05
hackersrusLoving the new GUI side menu very smart ;)13:05
hackersrus<-- ^aDaM btw... IRC seems to be picking my hostname up as default.13:05
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^aDaM:-}13:06
MattJWhat IRC client are you using?13:44
penguin42why can't I find the accounts dialog on pidgin any more?14:43
suprengrpenguin42, which Ubuntu?14:47
penguin42suprengr: Natty14:47
* penguin42 wonders if it might have hung off a panel icon that's no longer visible14:47
suprengrpenguin42, no menus when you hover over "panel" at top of screen?14:48
suprengr[normal menu set be there14:48
suprengr[aghh me harties!]14:49
penguin42suprengr: Yeh the menu set is there but I don't see an option for account settings - I could swear it used to be there somewhere14:51
suprengrpenguin42, ditto! nomenu option gives you "accounts"or "manage accounts" ?  if nothing there - why not try the "Chat" option from System Settings or the drop down from panel  icon a.k.a. "Me Menu"14:54
penguin42suprengr: They seem to trigger empathy, for which I have no empathy14:55
suprengr...or from the mail icon14:55
ali1234penguin42: ctrl-a14:55
ali1234on buddy list14:55
penguin42ali1234: Ah! Obvious!14:55
ali1234penguin42: it's obvious if you can still see the menu14:55
suprengr;)14:55
ali1234i suggest you turn off global menu14:56
penguin42ali1234: Where does the menu appear for you? On the menu bar itself?14:56
ali1234for me the menu appears exactly where it has always appeared14:56
ali1234because i have disabled global menu14:56
penguin42ali1234: Except I can't remember where that was - hence the question14:57
ali1234global menu messes up many apps and is just unneccessarily confusing14:57
ali1234it appears between "buddies" and "tools"14:57
penguin42oh that's the problem - it's a menu off the buddy list - but I'm using sloppy focus so it was switching away from it's menu14:58
ali1234yeah14:58
apwPendulum, have you tried F10 to open the menu in the focus'd window14:58
* suprengr bows to ali1234 14:58
apwpenguin42, ^^14:58
ali1234and there's no way to tell which window the global menu is associated14:58
apwnot that thats a solution of course, but global menu doesn't work at all well with sloppy focus14:58
ali1234basically global menu is a horrible idea that breaks in so many ways it should just be removed14:59
ali1234it shouldn't even be an option14:59
apwit works pretty well with click-to-focus ... other than that its a fail14:59
ali1234that's how bad it is14:59
ali1234no, it does not even work with click to focus14:59
ali1234the same problem that happens with follow-mouse can happen with clicking if you click in the wrong place, which is easy enough to do, and extremely irritating14:59
apwok its workable in my opinion in click-to-focus, i just hate that mode14:59
ali1234it's not even workable because you have to always check which window is focused before you click the menu15:00
penguin42apw: Yeh F10 works15:00
ali1234you end up having to mouse all over the screen instead of just going directly to the menu you want15:00
apwpenguin42, a hateful work around15:00
penguin42apw: Indeed15:00
apwali1234, you don't need to convince me, i hate it too15:01
apwand it hates me15:01
ali1234yeah well i'm hoping if i rant enough about it it might actually get fixed (where fixed = removed forever)15:02
apwit would be more productive to offer patches to add a UI to disable it, then i could use it to ... disable it15:03
ali1234it needs to be disabled in several places15:03
ali1234you have to disable it for gnome apps and firefox independently, in different ways15:04
ali1234but a UI to disable it is not enough15:04
apwi thought there was an env variable you could turn on in the X session ... but ok15:04
ali1234yeah that variable only covers gnome apps afaik15:04
ali1234in firefox it's done by an extension that you have to disable15:04
ali1234the really fun thing about global menus15:06
ali1234is that if you run a program in a nested x server with no WM15:06
ali1234it won't have a menu at all15:06
ali1234that is, global menu is implemented in a way such that it activates by default even if there is nothing to "catch" the menu15:06
ali1234so the menu just goes up in smoke and the program becomes unusable15:06
apwali1234, nice is there a bug about that?15:06
ali1234i think i reported it, yeah15:07
ali1234hang on15:07
ali1234bug 77458615:08
Kiriorspadaj1515:08
lubotu3Launchpad bug 774586 in appmenu-gtk (Ubuntu) "Applications have no menu when run in a nested X session" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77458615:08
Kiriorhi all got a problem, dowloaded a chromium by hexx OS, put id on a usb stick and now i cannot boot it up, dunno what to do i just wanted to try this out but seems inmpossible15:09
ali1234Kirior: firstly you are not missing anything15:10
Myrttia whatwhat by whom?15:10
ali1234Myrtti: chrome OS15:10
dwatkinsit's hexxeh15:10
ali1234google don't package it, some guy called hexx does unnofficial images15:10
Kiriorhttp://chromeos.hexxeh.net/15:10
Myrttirrright15:10
dwatkinsThere are instructions for putting the image onto USB, don't just copy the file15:10
Kiriori followed them to the letter15:11
ali1234so what happens when you try to boot it?15:11
Kiriori guess it it my bios as i dont have a USB boot option15:11
ali1234could be, or it could be disabled15:11
Kiriori can see my external hard drive but not my SD card15:11
ali1234if it is new enough to run chrome os it is new enough to boot from usb15:11
dwatkinsDo you have a one-time 'select thing to boot from' option, Kirior?15:11
ali1234ah, many bios cannot boot from SD card15:11
dwatkinsUsually F12.15:11
Kiriori have f12 option15:12
dauberslo15:12
ali1234is it a usb sd card reader?15:12
ali1234or is it a sd slot on a laptop?15:12
Kirioryes15:12
Kiriorfirst15:12
ali1234ok, well, they are not always bootable15:12
Kiriorusb micro sd card reader to be precise15:12
dwatkinsSo it's essentially a USB pendrive.15:13
Kiriorok micro sd adapter in a sd card slot should work?15:13
ali1234well, it might. it all depends on your bios15:13
ali1234your easiest thing is going to be to go and buy a real usb pendrive15:13
ali1234also try different usb ports15:14
ali1234sometimes not all of them can be accessed by the bios15:14
Kiriorwill do be back in few mins i will try what u said :)15:14
ali1234but like i said, you're not missing anything. chrome os is quite boring.15:14
Kiriori just want to have a quick look :P i know it will/might be but since i have option to try why not :)15:15
ali1234you can get the same effect by installing chrome on any os and then pretending the whole os doesn't exist15:15
Kirioranyhow brb15:15
Kiriori like my firefox :)15:15
dwatkinsWhy use ChromeOS, then? ;)15:38
hackersrusEvenings all :)17:12
brobostigonhttp://edos.debian.net/weather/ a useful idea, i like.18:39
penguin42oh yes that's neat18:40
brobostigonespecially as i run sid, next to ubuntu.18:41
penguin42sid can be a bit random18:42
penguin42brobostigon: I used to run sid prior to ubuntu18:42
* penguin42 still remembers the time one of the scripts swapped /etc/passwd's uid and gid field18:42
brobostigonpenguin42: it has been fairly good with me, upto now.18:43
brobostigonlol18:43
brobostigon:(18:43
brobostigonpenguin42: thats not good.18:45
penguin42brobostigon: Oh there were a few like that - just enough to keep you on your toes; don't want to make it feel stable!18:45
brobostigonpenguin42: the worst i have hd upto now,is when getting some packages from experimental wirth some apt-pinnig, and it causing huge package inconsistencies.18:46
penguin42there's no fun in using sid unless you pretty much have to glue the installation back together with duct tape and chewing gum before trying to read your mail each day18:52
brobostigonyeah, sometimes.18:53
kvarleyNot really Ubuntu related, however - can anybody tell why my gtk notebook won't appear in this script? http://paste.ubuntu.com/629497/19:35
penguin42kvarley: Not sure, but have you tried putting the notebook.show() after the add?19:37
kvarleypenguin42: Yup, doesn't do anything =/ There's not much documentation either for the notebook widget19:37
gordkvarley, add a page to the notebook19:48
kvarleygord: Oh yeah...That'd help...Doh! Thank you =)19:48
czajkowskigord: looking forward to dublin ?20:03
czajkowskiany answer other than yes will offend me :)20:04
AlanBellAzelphur: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=267144120:06
gordczajkowski, considering i can get home on the friday at a sane time, yup somewhat :) as long as the weather is nice20:09
AlanBellsome people have a *lot* of money in bitcoin accounts20:09
bigcalmAnd how real is it?20:11
AlanBellreally quite real20:11
AlanBellsomeone was using it on windows and got their box hacked and lost 25k bitcoins20:12
AlanBellsomeone else just lost 500k bitcoins somehow, hackers sold them for money and crashed the market20:12
AlanBelland they were at $17 per bitcoin, so 'worth' $8,500,000 at the start of the dump20:13
gordyeah thats the problem with bitcoins, its like storing all your money under your bed20:13
Core_UKwhats the Mt gox about?20:15
gordwonder if you could use amazon to mine bitcoins, if it was profitable i mean20:15
AlanBellit is, it is like cash, you don't *want* loads of the stuff hanging about, anything more than about a hundred in your wallet gets uncomfortable20:15
Core_UKI went to their website and it seems all thats on there twitter feed is compromised accounts20:16
AlanBellCore_UK: it is a market where you can trade bitcoins for other currency20:16
dogmatic69_hey all20:17
* dogmatic69_ is fighting with mysql replication20:17
czajkowskigord: on the plus side we have decent tea over there20:18
gordczajkowski, and they speak the same language! big plus20:21
czajkowskiindeed20:24
czajkowskigord: are you g@caonnica.c?20:24
dogmatic69_does anyone know how to add a new database to replication?20:28
ali1234AlanBell: the $1.2m dump was every coin on mtgox. hackers got the whole database and now they leaked it too20:28
dogmatic69_like master has a,b,c replicate and then add d it should replicate also20:28
ali1234the best part is that some hacker group actually posted a week ago that they could do this20:28
dogmatic69_currently there is no db set for replication, eg all?20:28
AlanBellali1234: ooh, that is bad20:29
ali1234they got the password hashes too20:30
gordczajkowski, gord.allott@canonical.com20:33
czajkowskigord: you've mail20:35
gordczajkowski, thank you very much :)20:36
czajkowskitea++20:36
gordi'm always amazed at what people will pay for on amazon, £200+ for a bin!20:39
gaz_hello20:52
Neoti_Laptophi all whats the command to reset gmone to how it looks when you first install ubuntu in ubuntu clasic mode20:53
Neoti_Laptop?20:53
DJones!panels | Neoti_Laptop I'm nopt sure if the links in this still work, but sounds like what you need20:58
lubotu3Neoti_Laptop I'm nopt sure if the links in this still work, but sounds like what you need: To reset the GNOME panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »20:58
Neoti_Laptopthanks that worked20:59
MooDoohello all21:09
brobostigonevening MooDoo :)21:11
MooDoo:)21:12
dogmatic69_where can i get more info on dates in bash? like date +%Y%m%d21:54
dogmatic69_i want to have hour and minute also21:54
shaunodogmatic69_: man 3 strftime21:56
shaunoI think most of them are in man date too, but strftime is where they all come from in the first place21:57
dogmatic69_thanks21:58
Catbuskris_does anyone know how i can find out what my microphone is called by my computer?  i.e. it's something of the form /dev/spd1 or whatnot22:04
jools__'vnin22:18
brobostigongood night, sleep well everyone.22:25
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