| ochosi | charlie-tca: ping | 11:38 |
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| GridCube | happy fathers day to all the father here :D | 16:50 |
| knome | mind you, it's not fathers day today all over the world ;) | 16:53 |
| GridCube | :P but is here, is that bad to congratulate people? | 16:54 |
| knome | nope, just pointing out that the date of fathers day varies across the globe | 16:56 |
| knome | for example, it's in november in finland | 16:56 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: pong | 17:03 |
| knome | charlie-tca, just went | 17:03 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know how to make weechat show aways | 17:06 |
| knome | /whois nick ? | 17:06 |
| charlie-tca | I will try. But it seems like a lot to have to do that everytime you want to talk to someone. Xchat shows them in the nick list | 17:08 |
| knome | tbh, i don't look at away messages much too | 17:08 |
| knome | just knew he went since he just said "bye" :) | 17:08 |
| knome | (@#shimmer) | 17:08 |
| pleia2 | I just talk to people anyway :) | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | heh, that works too | 17:09 |
| pleia2 | they'll probably see my message eventually | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | That' s what I been doing lately | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | Using weechat because xchat won't let dasher enter a line, it is quite different | 17:10 |
| knome | oh, somebody is actually using dasher | 17:11 |
| charlie-tca | Many of us do use it, we just don' t tell anyone | 17:11 |
| knome | heh | 17:11 |
| charlie-tca | You can usually tell by my tying speed | 17:13 |
| knome | that doesn't tell anything | 17:14 |
| knome | one could think i'm using the 10-finger system, but i'm not | 17:14 |
| knome | (well, sometimes the typing is slower though...) | 17:14 |
| charlie-tca | I think my response time is slower with dasher | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | Next step though is learning to use dasher to replace all the keyboard, instead of just the typing | 17:18 |
| Pjotr | Hello, I have a question about the package xubuntu-restricted-extras | 20:09 |
| Pjotr | In Xubuntu 11.04, this doesn't contain Java | 20:09 |
| Pjotr | Should I post this on Launchpad as a feature request or as a bug report? | 20:09 |
| Pjotr | In the description of the package xubuntu-restricted-extras in Synaptic, it wrongly claims that it does contain Java | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | bug report | 20:12 |
| Pjotr | Will do. :-) | 20:12 |
| Pjotr | Done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-restricted-extras/+bug/799514 | 20:18 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 799514 in ubuntu-restricted-extras (Ubuntu) "xubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't contain Java" [Undecided,New] | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 60 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 21:59 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: wiki is offline, so idk if you need extra time to pull your agenda together | 22:45 |
| charlie-tca | heh, I haven' t been able to login since the latest change on the 16th | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | Are you gonna chair today? | 22:46 |
| charlie-tca | I have a peronal moinmoin running, with a copy of the agenda | 22:47 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: wasn't planning on it | 22:47 |
| charlie-tca | Aw, com'n | 22:47 |
| micahg | the chair doesn't fit me well :) | 22:56 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | I remember when I said something similar | 22:57 |
| DarkEra | charlie-tca, didn't you sent the agenda to the mailing list too with the reminder? | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | Are ready to begin | 23:00 |
| charlie-tca | Welcome to the weekly xubuntu commity meeting | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | We keep the agenda at | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | however, due to problems with the wiki, it is: | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Old business - all | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Team updates - Team Leads | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Packaging & Development | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Changes to the default applications | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Bug Triage & Testing | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Daily testing versus milestone testing | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Website & Marketing | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * There is a current discussion on the xubuntu-devel mailing list | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Artwork | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Documentation | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | * Announcements - Project Lead | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Governance structure - all | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | * The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at [[Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu Governance & Team Structure]] | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Any Other Business - all/anyone | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | I forgot to dig up the xscreensaver info | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | so, lets go ahead with the teams | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | Team updates - Team Leads | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | * Packaging & Development | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit or micahg : your turn | 23:04 |
| mr_pouit | I can do it ;> | 23:04 |
| * charlie-tca nods | 23:04 | |
| micahg | hi mr_pouit | 23:04 |
| mr_pouit | less changes this week I think, only replaced evince by epdfview as discussed a few days ago | 23:04 |
| mr_pouit | then a few merges/syncs from Debian by micahg and me | 23:05 |
| ochosi | so we generally have to kick out most of the gnome-stuff now due to dependency issues? | 23:05 |
| xrdodrx | what's happening with GTK3 in Xubuntu 11.10? | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | it is easier than fighting with gnome3 and gtk3 if we don' t have to | 23:05 |
| mr_pouit | well, let's see what happens, if epdfview is too crappy, we can still go back to evince-gtk | 23:06 |
| xrdodrx | those packages are still going to be in main and will be installed by end-users, though... | 23:06 |
| charlie-tca | Users can still install any application, it will pull in the required dependencies and recommends it needs | 23:06 |
| charlie-tca | We don't have to that by default though | 23:06 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: really wasn't meant as critique but as an honest question, how much/what will we have to potentially drop in the worst case? | 23:07 |
| mr_pouit | it's very likely we'll still have gtk+3.0 shipped anyway | 23:07 |
| micahg | xrdodrx: GTK3 itself will probably be on the CD due to some shared apps, but Xfce is staying on GTK2 through 4.10, so Xubuntu's default will be GTK2 through the LTS | 23:07 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you, mr_pouit | 23:08 |
| charlie-tca | anything else for you? | 23:08 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: isn't yelp used by some of the applications still? | 23:08 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: I think most "common" tools will be ported to gtk3, so we'd have to drop them as well, not really what we want | 23:09 |
| micahg | yelp is a good example | 23:09 |
| mr_pouit | (yeah, for instance, yelp is already ported) | 23:09 |
| xrdodrx | micahg, I see, but there's really no avoiding GTK3 in the long run ;) | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | However, as announced several times, Xubuntu will not push gtk3 more than needed | 23:09 |
| micahg | xrdodrx: no, definitely not, and it's not GTK3 so much as the GNOME deps related to GTK3 apps | 23:10 |
| mr_pouit | we won't port 4.8 to gtk3 for the fun ;-) | 23:10 |
| charlie-tca | xrdodrx: but the long run for us in about 12.10 | 23:10 |
| charlie-tca | or later | 23:10 |
| micahg | right, if Xfce sticks with the year release cycles, it'll be 13.04 before Xubuntu is GTK3 | 23:10 |
| charlie-tca | The less we have to fight gnome applications, the better off we are | 23:10 |
| xrdodrx | GTK3 and GTK2 have to be themed separately, so it's not going to be a simple thing, I'm sure. | 23:11 |
| micahg | xrdodrx: no, we can have a GTK3 theme used by both | 23:11 |
| micahg | the desktop team has a theming engine that I believe we can use as well | 23:11 |
| charlie-tca | Any other questions? | 23:12 |
| micahg | \o | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead, micahg | 23:12 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: I noticed that xubuntu-restricted-extras still ships icedtea6-plugin, is this something worth moving to the default recommends (i.e. how important is Java in the default browser experience (it's in main, so no need to be in restricted-extras anymore) | 23:13 |
| * GridCube is here for the meeting | 23:14 | |
| mr_pouit | do you know what ubuntu-desktop is doing? | 23:14 |
| mr_pouit | I guess moving it into the seeds is safe | 23:15 |
| micahg | well, it's still in restricted extras for the moment | 23:15 |
| micahg | I want to talk to mvo tomorrow about it | 23:15 |
| charlie-tca | java is already removed from the package, but the description needs to be updated | 23:15 |
| micahg | although I doubt Ubuntu will take it due to space concers | 23:15 |
| micahg | *concerns | 23:15 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: no, it has openjdk | 23:15 |
| charlie-tca | it does? | 23:15 |
| charlie-tca | http://pad.lv/799514 | 23:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 799514 in ubuntu-restricted-extras (Ubuntu) "xubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't contain Java" [Undecided,New] | 23:15 |
| micahg | aka icedtea6-plugin | 23:15 |
| charlie-tca | oh | 23:16 |
| micahg | yes, that's what prompted this thinking | 23:16 |
| charlie-tca | which will pull in openjre or openjdk? | 23:16 |
| micahg | it's in xubuntu-restricted-addons which is a depends of the restricted-extras | 23:16 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: openjdk | 23:16 |
| micahg | we can decide later if we have the space to do it | 23:17 |
| micahg | I just wanted to bring it up early | 23:17 |
| charlie-tca | Let's find out what Ubuntu is going to do with it, then | 23:17 |
| micahg | like I said, I doubt they'll take it due to space concerns | 23:18 |
| charlie-tca | ACTION - micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras | 23:18 |
| charlie-tca | Don't want to just let it drop | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Bugs and Testing | 23:19 |
| charlie-tca | We have images again! We can start testing tomorrow, We just pick up at the 19th on the chart | 23:19 |
| * micahg would like to bring up https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-June/007830.html | 23:20 | |
| charlie-tca | well, 20th, tomorrow | 23:20 |
| charlie-tca | As far as I know, the live desktop is broken | 23:20 |
| micahg | sorry, should've waited | 23:20 |
| * micahg thought some fixes landed on Friday to fix that | 23:21 | |
| charlie-tca | Maybe for Ubuntu, but we did not get them | 23:21 |
| charlie-tca | micahg brings up a valid point. Call For Testing: Natty Firefox users | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | We need to test firefox in natty ASAP | 23:22 |
| xrdodrx | I'm one, and can definitely test this :D | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | See the reference micahg gave above | 23:22 |
| xrdodrx | I'm reading it right now :) | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | If you need help, let us know. | 23:22 |
| charlie-tca | Unfortunately, Ubuntu gets the image fixes first. We usually have to go back and push to get them in our images | 23:23 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions for bugs and testing? | 23:24 |
| GridCube | i can test tomorrow | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | great! | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Website & Marketing | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2, knome, plantoschka | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | you guys are up now | 23:24 |
| GridCube | can i say something? | 23:25 |
| charlie-tca | Well, then | 23:25 |
| charlie-tca | sure | 23:25 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead, GridCube | 23:25 |
| GridCube | i would like that in the main xubuntu site there where a FAQ of simple tasks, like "how to listen music?" or stuff like that, but on various idioms, like spañish, english and so on | 23:26 |
| GridCube | i don't really know how to set that up, but i will be willing to translate a simple like "Top ten questions" on spañish | 23:27 |
| xrdodrx | micahg, I think I found a small error in your instructions, you recommend doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade but sudo apt-get upgrade is probably the way to go :) | 23:28 |
| xrdodrx | (concerning testing firefox 5 on Xubuntu Natty) | 23:28 |
| micahg | xrdodrx: nope, won't upgrade the langpacks | 23:28 |
| xrdodrx | oh, okay | 23:28 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2 or knome : Is such a thing possible as GridCube proposes possible on the website? | 23:28 |
| ochosi | i second GridCube's idea/s, but not sure who'll do the work ;) | 23:28 |
| plantoschka | GridCube, sounds good | 23:28 |
| charlie-tca | xrdodrx: sudo apt-get upgrade does not pull in a lot of stuff that needs to upgrade | 23:29 |
| charlie-tca | ACTION - investigate putting the "TOP 10" in spanish on the website | 23:29 |
| xrdodrx | guess I'll have to redo it as dist-upgrade, then, unless there's a way to cancel apt-get during the downloads process | 23:29 |
| micahg | xrdodrx: yep, you can just CTRL+C | 23:30 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: you would translate it, right? | 23:30 |
| xrdodrx | micahg, alright, I hesitate to do that to any package manager ;) | 23:30 |
| charlie-tca | If we have a translation, it is relatively minor to simply publish it on the website | 23:30 |
| xrdodrx | I could probably assist GridCube with this, I speak native English and am quite proficient (I'd say, at least ;) ) in Spanish | 23:31 |
| xrdodrx | it might be good too have a starter's guide on the website :D | 23:31 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: who puts the list together? | 23:32 |
| charlie-tca | Do you have things in mind already, or do we need to gather stuff to be translated? | 23:32 |
| charlie-tca | xrdodrx: What about using VirtualBox to run it, so it stays separate from your installation? | 23:33 |
| xrdodrx | charlie-tca, it's no trouble at all | 23:35 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Artwork | 23:35 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: your turn | 23:35 |
| ochosi | k, well as most of you know there's a git-repo for greybird | 23:36 |
| xrdodrx | charlie-tca, I often find it's better to test software on real hardware, and if it's on my install I'll def be testing it quite a bit ;) | 23:36 |
| ochosi | recently i've been testing a few noticeable changes to greybird | 23:36 |
| ochosi | in the beginning i thought i'd just do a few additional styles for specific apps, but now i think the theme will change a bit for our next release | 23:37 |
| ochosi | i'm still very much in the experimenting/testing phase | 23:37 |
| ochosi | so feel free to pull the theme every once in a while and test it | 23:37 |
| ochosi | i'm very happy to get feedback, but please don't start shouting too loud because of changes i make in git | 23:37 |
| charlie-tca | xrdodrx: then you need to become familiar with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, since apt-get upgrade won't upgrade the kernel, either. | 23:38 |
| ochosi | i don't consider much in the current state is 'final' | 23:38 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: can you give the URL, please | 23:38 |
| ochosi | the general feel of the theme is supposedly lighter though | 23:38 |
| ochosi | sure, https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird | 23:38 |
| xrdodrx | charlie-tca, I'm sorry, forgive that error on my part, I didn't really understand the difference totally, all I had to do was cancel the upgrade and redo it as dist-upgrade :) | 23:38 |
| GridCube | charlie-tca, sorry for the delay, yes i will help translate | 23:38 |
| ochosi | instructions of how to clone the repo and keep it up-to-date are on that page as well | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | Are the changes working for both oneiric and natty? | 23:39 |
| xrdodrx | I'm using FF 5 now | 23:39 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: are you asking me? | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | yes, ochosi | 23:39 |
| ochosi | it's a bit noisy here atm :) | 23:39 |
| charlie-tca | sorry | 23:39 |
| ochosi | at the moment those changes are *only* tested with natty | 23:39 |
| ochosi | oneiric is still too unstable for me | 23:39 |
| ochosi | the gtk3 port of greybird is only a draft | 23:39 |
| GridCube | charlie-tca, i don't really know what are the top 10 questions on #xubuntu mabye the moving the panels, using compiz, and i dont know what else | 23:40 |
| charlie-tca | So, we can have testers pull in the new theme. They can try it on either natty or oneiric. | 23:41 |
| ochosi | yep | 23:41 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: Let's take it to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, then. | 23:41 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: sorry. | 23:41 |
| GridCube | :) | 23:41 |
| charlie-tca | Have you got anything else we want to know? | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: ^ ^ | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | ]please let him finish now, guys | 23:42 |
| ochosi | good question, well, are there any questions? ;) | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | o/ | 23:42 |
| GridCube | o/ | 23:42 |
| ochosi | k, one at a time | 23:42 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead, GridCube | 23:43 |
| GridCube | will there be a proper *places* menu on the basic panels? | 23:43 |
| micahg | places has returned in oneiric | 23:43 |
| GridCube | oh. sorry for asking then | 23:44 |
| ochosi | micahg: what do you mean? does it not depend on thunar-vfs anymore or is it part of the default panel config now? | 23:44 |
| charlie-tca | The question is will the art team include it on a panel, or will we keep thunar? | 23:44 |
| micahg | ochosi: it does not | 23:44 |
| charlie-tca | It is still a plugin, to be added. It no longer depends on thunar-vfs. | 23:45 |
| mr_pouit | the gio patch has been included, and we put it back in the default package set | 23:45 |
| ochosi | ok, that sounds good | 23:45 |
| mr_pouit | but it's not in the default panel config | 23:45 |
| ochosi | well we haven't discussed panel configs for oneiric at all yet | 23:45 |
| ochosi | i'd say we should start by evaluating what we currently have | 23:45 |
| charlie-tca | +1 | 23:46 |
| ochosi | (and check the reviews for feedback) | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | Want to take it up next meeting? | 23:46 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: ah, sorry, thought you put it back in the default config | 23:46 |
| charlie-tca | ACTION - GridCube to begin a discussion on the ML about what should be translated | 23:47 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: oh no, if I change the default config without discussion, too many people will want to kill me (at least charlie-tca and ochosi ;D) | 23:47 |
| GridCube | i'm not part of the mailing list | 23:47 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: tbh this week is a bit busy for me, not sure i'll manage to check reviews. if anyone else could do it i'm fine with discussing it | 23:48 |
| charlie-tca | Let's do it on the ML, then? | 23:48 |
| charlie-tca | Get more people involved in it, maybe, without taking a bunch of time here? | 23:48 |
| charlie-tca | ACTION - start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc | 23:49 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: I leave it to ochosi with my moaning to help guide it :) | 23:50 |
| ochosi | k | 23:50 |
| ochosi | i mean just to be straight-forward: i'm fine with the current setup | 23:50 |
| ochosi | i like it a lot | 23:50 |
| GridCube | o/ | 23:50 |
| charlie-tca | go ahead, GridCube | 23:51 |
| GridCube | on the artwork things, can it be made that lightgdm uses the same wallpaper that xubuntu session uses? or an easy way to fix it up? | 23:51 |
| charlie-tca | yes, it can be made easy to fix it | 23:52 |
| charlie-tca | It already is, tbh | 23:52 |
| ochosi | :) | 23:52 |
| GridCube | :P that could be part of the top 10 questions | 23:52 |
| ochosi | lightDM theming will be dealt with as soon as i start testing/workin on oneiric | 23:52 |
| ochosi | which is pretty soon | 23:52 |
| ochosi | same goes for gtk3 | 23:52 |
| charlie-tca | I have mine themed to the desktop wallpaper already | 23:52 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: what was your question? | 23:53 |
| GridCube | on that same topic, what about user avatars? | 23:53 |
| charlie-tca | harder | 23:53 |
| charlie-tca | We have to see what our front-end brings in | 23:53 |
| GridCube | okay | 23:53 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: any kind of time estimate to pull the new themes for testing? | 23:53 |
| charlie-tca | Like, weekly, two-weeks, anything? | 23:54 |
| ochosi | you mean to oneiric? | 23:54 |
| xrdodrx | I imagine that once LightDM gets included in default Ubuntu there will be many GUI front-ends to customizing it, GridCube | 23:54 |
| charlie-tca | from git | 23:54 |
| charlie-tca | As a general guide, should a tester pull from git every two weeks or ??? | 23:54 |
| ochosi | hm, tbh my work-schedule is not so clear that i could give you real guidance | 23:55 |
| micahg | xrdodrx: lightdm is already the default in Ubuntu | 23:55 |
| ochosi | maybe it's best to check my commit messages | 23:55 |
| ochosi | if there is something noteworthy i usually write it down | 23:55 |
| xrdodrx | micahg, for natty? | 23:55 |
| ochosi | so maybe check every week or every other week | 23:55 |
| xrdodrx | I meant for oneiric :) | 23:55 |
| micahg | xrdodrx: oneiric | 23:56 |
| ochosi | right now is definitely a good time | 23:56 |
| ochosi | to pull and test the theme | 23:56 |
| charlie-tca | Okay testers! pull the new themes every two weeks and test it in either natty or oneiric unless we tell you pull it sooner | 23:57 |
| charlie-tca | and this week would be a great time to pull it, within a day or two, if possible! | 23:57 |
| GridCube | :) will do | 23:57 |
| ochosi | feedback would be best directed directly to me | 23:58 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you very much, ochosi | 23:58 |
| ochosi | either via email or on irc | 23:58 |
| ochosi | no | 23:58 |
| ochosi | problem | 23:58 |
| charlie-tca | Any other questions for things covered so far? | 23:58 |
| charlie-tca | If not, we have a couple of Announcements | 23:59 |
| charlie-tca | TOPIC - Announcements | 23:59 |
| charlie-tca | Debian Import Freeze: June 30 | 23:59 |
| charlie-tca | 10.04.3 Freeze: June 30 | 23:59 |
| charlie-tca | Oneiric Alpha 2: July 7 | 23:59 |
| charlie-tca | Testing for Alpha2: July 5 | 23:59 |
| charlie-tca | The wiki is causing a few headaches after the latest change. | 23:59 |
| charlie-tca | Please file bugs and issues with it according to the announcement: | 23:59 |
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