| Lint | i've downloaded oneiric iso, but it doesn't fit on CD. I've put in on flash drive butit doesn't apperas bootable. what to do? | 02:13 |
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| Omega | Follow the USB drive instructions: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download | 02:16 |
| Lint | you mean I cannot just put iso on usb drive? the tool described in the article doesn't work. | 02:27 |
| CarlFK | Lint: no, cuz it the kernel will try to find the root file system on a CD drive | 02:32 |
| IdleOne | I thought you could dd the iso now? | 03:00 |
| IdleOne | maybe I am wrong | 03:00 |
| IdleOne | haven't tried it myself | 03:00 |
| charlie-tca | You are supposed be able to copy the iso to a usb drive now. | 03:05 |
| IdleOne | just a plain copy/paste? | 03:08 |
| IdleOne | and it should boot? | 03:08 |
| IdleOne | think I'll give it a test | 03:09 |
| Omega | I don't think a simple copy paste would work, you have to write the image to the drive | 03:10 |
| charlie-tca | as far as I know, yes | 03:10 |
| IdleOne | won't hurt to try...I'll report my failures | 03:10 |
| charlie-tca | You have to burn to cd, but can copy to usb, I thought. | 03:11 |
| charlie-tca | You no longer use usb creator, I got that much anyway | 03:11 |
| Omega | I think you still have to 'burn' to usb though. | 03:11 |
| Omega | You can copy it from the cd to the usb. | 03:11 |
| Omega | At least, this is how I understand it. | 03:11 |
| IdleOne | hehe, would be nice if this was documented somewhere | 03:12 |
| IdleOne | I mean with actual working info | 03:12 |
| charlie-tca | Here is the docs I know of - | 03:13 |
| charlie-tca | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-June/033495.html | 03:13 |
| Omega | Yep, you need to write it to usb: http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07#isohybrid_CDs | 03:18 |
| Omega | Oh, maybe we were all saying the same thing, but misunderstanding eachother. | 03:20 |
| CarlFK | # dd if=debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX | 03:21 |
| CarlFK | commands remove the need to understand :) | 03:22 |
| charlie-tca | So you have to dd it, huh? | 03:24 |
| charlie-tca | Still, I guess that is better than having to use USB-Creator | 03:24 |
| CarlFK | maybe you can patch cdrecord to write to a usb stick :) | 03:25 |
| charlie-tca | heh, anything is possible | 03:26 |
| IdleOne | how long does a dd usually take? | 04:17 |
| IdleOne | nm, 171.707 s | 04:17 |
| IdleOne | My USB is /dev/sdd1 do I use sdd or sdd1 in dd if=oneirirc.iso of=/dev/sdd? | 04:31 |
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| udoprog | I'm looking for gnome-appearance-properties while running oneiric dev, apt-file claims that it resides in gnome-control-center (after purge and update), but when installing the package the command (/usr/bin/gnome-appearance-properties) is nowhere to be found, any help? | 09:41 |
| geser | the gnome control center got redone, I'm not sure if parts of it can be started seperately and don't know what happened to the appearance options | 10:04 |
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| Ian_Corne | gief back nvidia-current :( | 15:08 |
| Roasted | With Ubuntu 11.10 coming with Gnome 3 by default, is that to suggest that Gnome Shell is officially supported by Ubuntu beginning with 11.10, despite Unity being the default interface? | 15:24 |
| ikonia | Roasted: I didn't think it was going to be in the official repo | 15:25 |
| ikonia | !gnome-shell | 15:25 |
| ikonia | oops | 15:25 |
| arand | Roasted: Supposedly, yes | 15:25 |
| ikonia | !info gnome-shell | 15:25 |
| ubottu | gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.2-1 (oneiric), package size 816 kB, installed size 3976 kB | 15:25 |
| ikonia | ah, it's in universe, not main | 15:25 |
| Roasted | Is that to say that Gnome Shell on Ubuntu will be "as supported" as Fedora 15, which ships by default? Or am I being partially delusional here? | 15:25 |
| ikonia | Roasted: it's in universe which isn't "official" software support, hang on I'll find the webpage with the definitions | 15:26 |
| Roasted | I just really do not like Unity... yet I want to stick with Ubuntu, however I also want to use something that is well supported too. | 15:27 |
| ikonia | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories | 15:27 |
| Roasted | thanks bro | 15:27 |
| ikonia | basically you're depending on the motu guys for problem resolution | 15:27 |
| Roasted | sigh | 15:27 |
| Roasted | Ubuntu... why'd you have to do this. | 15:27 |
| Roasted | and by the way, who are motu? Is that the universe repo manager team? | 15:28 |
| ikonia | Roasted: "masters of the universe", but yes, the guys who build the software for that repo | 15:31 |
| Roasted | So are motu guys not official debian/ubuntu/canonical employees? | 15:32 |
| ikonia | correct, just guys who do some software packages as their contributions | 15:34 |
| ikonia | some excellent guys | 15:34 |
| Roasted | sure sounds like it. | 15:34 |
| Roasted | I'm sure they'll do a good job with gnome shell. there's certainly enough demand for it. :P | 15:35 |
| ikonia | or not..... | 15:35 |
| ikonia | some packages are maintained well, others not, it really depends on the individual rather than demand | 15:36 |
| Roasted | I would think demand could dictate the push for the repos though as well. If there's a world of people complaining for a certain software package, I would think at some point somebody would step up to manage it properly. | 15:36 |
| Roasted | in a perfect world, at least. | 15:37 |
| ikonia | that's not how it works at all | 15:37 |
| ikonia | the motu's are "people" not obliged to do anything, | 15:37 |
| Roasted | I just hate to ditch Ubuntu due to lack of Gnome Shell support. I love Ubuntu and have no issue installing a DE of my choice. I just don't want it to be treated like a POS because Ubuntu decided to go off in Unity land. | 15:37 |
| ikonia | that's a decision canonical have made, you have to chose unsupported, or not use it | 15:38 |
| ikonia | from 12.04 (I think that's the version) the gnome 2 desktop components *gnome fall back* will be dropped | 15:38 |
| Roasted | well, I'll choose the latter if GS support is abandoned cold turkey. | 15:38 |
| Roasted | meaning what? | 15:38 |
| ikonia | no non-unity desktop components | 15:39 |
| Roasted | meaning gnome shell will be, essentially, prohibited? | 15:39 |
| ikonia | let me see if I can find the url | 15:39 |
| ikonia | Roasted: not prohibieted, but the components will not be anything to do with the release | 15:39 |
| ikonia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases | 15:40 |
| Roasted | I'm not sure I'm entirely following. Is this a low-blow against Gnome Shell, or am I missing something? | 15:40 |
| ikonia | not the link I was looking for, but the 12.04 release will not contain the classic gnome look for fall back | 15:40 |
| Roasted | oh | 15:40 |
| Roasted | I'm not worried about Classic Gnome... | 15:40 |
| charlie-tca | gnome3 will still be there | 15:40 |
| ikonia | ahh, 11.10 will not include it either | 15:40 |
| Roasted | I'm talking about Gnome Shell, based on Gnome 3. | 15:40 |
| Roasted | 11.10's fallback is Unity 2D. | 15:41 |
| ikonia | well, gnome shell is not part of the official repos at all | 15:41 |
| Roasted | I understand that. I'm just trying to get a feel for how "out in the cold" Gnome Shell will be treated in regard to Ubuntu's recent adoption of Unity. | 15:41 |
| ikonia | totally | 15:41 |
| Roasted | Though, if LXDE can some out of no where and with a small team become an official release of the *buntu team, I would hardly think they'd ignore Gnome Shell all together. | 15:42 |
| ikonia | it's up the motu members to manage and maintain gnome shell | 15:42 |
| ikonia | they would as it's a direct opposition to canonicals direction | 15:42 |
| Roasted | But how's that make sense when Unity is ran on top of Gnome? | 15:42 |
| ikonia | because canonicals direction is unity - so gnome shell is in opposition to that, so I can't see it getting support | 15:43 |
| Roasted | ikonia, I guess my point is this. If Lubuntu has support, along with Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Unity is based on Gnome 3, to see Ubuntu/Canonical flat out "ignore" Gnome Shell I would think would shoot themselves in the foot. | 15:44 |
| ikonia | that's up to them | 15:44 |
| Roasted | Right. | 15:44 |
| ikonia | but xubuntu/kubuntu etc etc are different, not in oppositiion to official direction] | 15:44 |
| Roasted | I'm just speaking from the standpoint of... I don't see why. | 15:44 |
| ikonia | gnome shell has been activly dropped, | 15:44 |
| Roasted | I don't see how Gnome Shell can be in anymore opposition of official direction as XFCE LXDE and KDE are. | 15:44 |
| Roasted | They're different. They're all different. | 15:44 |
| Roasted | It's just another DE in the crowd to choose from. | 15:45 |
| Roasted | Treating a DE as a direct competitor would sound foolish. | 15:45 |
| ikonia | that's up to them, lets see what happens | 15:45 |
| Roasted | Especially considering the similar core. | 15:45 |
| Roasted | Yeah. | 15:45 |
| Roasted | I don't know. It's making Mint and Fedora look 100% more attractive. I hope they don't make a bad move here. | 15:45 |
| Roasted | ikonia, can I ask you a question based on your personal opinion? | 15:47 |
| ikonia | sure | 15:47 |
| Roasted | ikonia, which DE to you tend to use most? | 15:47 |
| Roasted | or prefer, etc. | 15:47 |
| ikonia | gnome mostly, ocassionally xfce, I dabble with fluxbox and lxde on occasion for my own interest | 15:48 |
| ikonia | so it varies a bit | 15:48 |
| Roasted | I see. I tinker with many as well, but I try to stick to one for extended periods of time to learn more about it. | 15:48 |
| ikonia | gnome is the most straight foward and out of the box easy to use, so I have no reason to change | 15:49 |
| Roasted | ikonia, if you're a gnome guy, which are you going to use in the future? | 15:49 |
| ikonia | I'm trying to adapt to gnome shell at the moment, it's a big jump | 15:50 |
| Roasted | I agree. | 15:50 |
| Roasted | so you'll likely use GS over Unity? | 15:50 |
| ikonia | totally | 15:51 |
| Roasted | You sure do a good job of holding back biasness during conversation. | 15:51 |
| Roasted | I would have taken you for a huge Unity fan considering how black/white you were in regard to Gnome Shell's support when I was asking about it. | 15:51 |
| ikonia | there are 2 different positions, the realistic one and the personal opinion one | 15:52 |
| Roasted | Yeah. I agree there. | 15:52 |
| Roasted | I don't like to think negatively about something until I use it extensively. | 15:52 |
| Roasted | My opinion about Apple, for example, was idle until I owned one, etc. | 15:52 |
| Roasted | But the more I use Unity the more I dislike it. However I want to stay with Ubuntu, so it's a little frustrating having two things I enjoy yet they not be in the same boat. | 15:53 |
| ikonia | I don't think it will be realisic to use ubuntu in a production type environment if you want to use gnome-shell, that's my personal stance | 15:54 |
| Roasted | I agree. I'm pushing Ubuntu/XFCE at the moment to use in a production in our environment. But even for personal use, if I'm going to use something and rely on it I try to stick to a more supported avenue. | 15:56 |
| Roasted | er, wait.. | 15:56 |
| Roasted | You're referring that if I were to deploy GS as the primary need, then you wouldn't use Ubuntu? | 15:56 |
| Roasted | I thought you were saying you wouldn't use GS in production. | 15:56 |
| ikonia | Roasted: no, if I want to use a current gnome 3 desktop with gnome shell and get support/package maintenance, I won't be using ubuntu | 15:57 |
| Roasted | Yeah. Our production environment is a school, so I'm not sure about Gnome Shell in a school. It might be a little distracting for students. | 15:57 |
| Roasted | So I don't know if I'd even deploy GS, regardless of the OS/support. | 15:58 |
| Roasted | ikonia, given that ultimatum with wnating GS in a production environment, which avenue would you take? Fedora? | 15:58 |
| ikonia | possibly, but a 6 month rolling cycle and 12 month (or is it 18) doesn't appeal to me | 15:59 |
| Roasted | well, I'm running Fedora on my laptop here, and it sure is nice. But I try to stick to .deb if at all possible. | 16:01 |
| Roasted | anyway, thanks for your time and insight ikonia | 16:01 |
| ikonia | welcome | 16:01 |
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| tatan | hello? | 19:12 |
| tatan | hay alguien que me pueda ayudar? | 19:13 |
| tatan | resulta que paso algo muy curioso con la interfaz de gnome , en el momento que me dispuse a instalar cairo-dock los iconos de network-manager y wicd se bajan del paner generico , ahora cuendo mato el proceso de cairo-dock los iconos desaparecen O.O ¿que puede ser? | 19:16 |
| BluesKaj | !es | tatan | 19:16 |
| ubottu | tatan: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. | 19:16 |
| tatan | thanks , I switch to the correct channel | 19:19 |
| tatan | sorry , i noob in the irssi interface XD i begin to get familiar with the program | 19:25 |
| tatan | joined #ubuntu+1 | 19:26 |
| tatan | ok gracias | 19:27 |
| dupondje | Evening :) | 19:47 |
| dupondje | I'm missing icons of Terminal for example. Any idea whats wrong ? | 19:47 |
| Ian_Corne | dupondje: yes | 19:49 |
| Ian_Corne | you need to installk gnome-icon-theme-full | 19:49 |
| Ian_Corne | s/allk/all/ | 19:49 |
| dupondje | now this looks better ! | 19:51 |
| dupondje | thx | 19:51 |
| dupondje | Should be a recommend/depend but ok :-) | 19:52 |
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| IdleOne | trying to do dd if=oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc my question is blkid shows my usb device as sdc1 so do I use sdc1 or sdc? | 20:33 |
| charlie-tca | I have never used dd | 20:39 |
| IdleOne | trying /dev/sdc and will see what happens | 20:40 |
| CarlFK | sdc | 20:41 |
| CarlFK | you need to get the boot sector | 20:41 |
| IdleOne | CarlFK: so if I understand the output of blkid /dev/sdc1 represents the existing partion on /sdc | 20:41 |
| CarlFK | or whatever the booty stuff is on a usb stick given it doesn't really have sectors | 20:42 |
| CarlFK | /dev/sdc1 represents the existing partion on /sdc - that sounds right. what's bikid? | 20:42 |
| IdleOne | try it, sudo blkid | 20:43 |
| IdleOne | L not i | 20:43 |
| CarlFK | blkid - command-line utility to locate/print block device attributes - neat | 20:43 |
| TheBuntu | Oneiric alpha 1.... kubuntu version is the best alpha i have used.... so far i swear im useing a stable distro....even think there is maybe 15 to 20% preformence increase over 11.04 | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | That's because most of the changes that will happen in Oneiric are not in Kubuntu Alpha1 yet | 21:02 |
| * BluesKaj shudders | 21:03 | |
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| genii-around | Well, at least kernel 3.0.1 seems to be chugging along alright | 21:09 |
| BluesKaj | genii-around, desktop effects with nvidia still disabled , on 3.0.1 ? | 21:14 |
| genii-around | BluesKaj: The nvidia dkms rebuilt without prob | 21:18 |
| BluesKaj | genii-around, I reverted to natty when 3.0.0 kernel upgrade decided to break and uninstall the new nvidia driver , after booting in a few days ago | 21:21 |
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| BUGabundo | evening folks | 21:59 |
| coz_ | hey | 22:01 |
| Ian_Corne | Hello | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | quiet, isn't it ? | 22:03 |
| Ian_Corne | Not many updates :( | 22:03 |
| Ian_Corne | and stuff is still broken | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | Current status: 55 updates [+47], 34091 new [+53]. | 22:03 |
| Ian_Corne | aha updates | 22:03 |
| Ian_Corne | finaly an empathy fix? | 22:04 |
| dupondje | whats broken ? | 22:05 |
| dupondje | everything seems to work quite fine here :D | 22:05 |
| dupondje | And I think even better accu time then Natty :) | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: what's NOT broken | 22:06 |
| dupondje | heh | 22:06 |
| dupondje | i'm quite lucky then | 22:06 |
| dupondje | cause everything just works here ? | 22:06 |
| dupondje | except Azerty on the login screen :p | 22:06 |
| Ian_Corne | dupondje: I'm being thrown back to unity 2D, launcher doesn't hide, apps maximize under the launcher, | 22:07 |
| dupondje | ah | 22:08 |
| dupondje | but i'm on Gnome3 | 22:08 |
| dupondje | :) | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | no composite | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | no 3D | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | no accelaration | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | NM is broken | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | (need to file that) | 22:09 |
| dupondje | NetworkManager works fine here | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | applets are very reduces | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | dupondje: try to start pidgin | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | or turn off NM and back on again | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | nothing will work | 22:09 |
| Ian_Corne | pidgin works now BUGabundo | 22:09 |
| Ian_Corne | it had an update | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | humm | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | will test on next boot | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | didn't this morning | 22:10 |
| dupondje | pidgin works here fine | 22:10 |
| dupondje | and NetworkManager, well didn't found a thing that didn't work :P | 22:11 |
| dupondje | weird | 22:11 |
| dupondje | :) | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | wifi will not work with NM off | 22:11 |
| dupondje | mm | 22:14 |
| dupondje | was that the case otherwise ? :) | 22:14 |
| dupondje | cause password and such are saved in NM no ? | 22:14 |
| Ian_Corne | I think they are saved in the gnome-keyring | 22:32 |
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| arand | Hmm, dpkg thinks I'm out of space when installing the new kernel, when In fact I've got ~50% free and I can write more to disk fine... | 22:57 |
| arand | unable to install new version of `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.0-1-generic/include/config/fb/aty/gx.h': No space left on device | 22:58 |
| maco | apt-get autoclean? | 22:59 |
| maco | is / separate from /home, maybe? | 22:59 |
| arand | Already done a clean, and as I mentioned, I actually ain't running out of space, dpkg or the kernel configuration seems to think so though... | 23:00 |
| arand | Nope, / and /home a two subvolumes on btrfs with a combined ~4G free | 23:00 |
| maco | only other thing i can think of is a very large file descriptor | 23:01 |
| maco | i remember deleting a 50GB ~/.xsession-errors that wasnt actually freed til i logged out | 23:01 |
| arand | And since i was able to just dd a 2G file in /tmp I think it somehow lies in the configuration process' interpretation of the space.. | 23:02 |
| arand | I have rebooted in between | 23:02 |
| arand | Hmm, it seems the configuration of the linux package got stuck at a point where it was convinced I had to little space, and to unconvince it I had to install the older linux package and pull the upgrade again.. seems to be rolling now.. | 23:17 |
| arand | Nope, too early, still this linux-headers-3.0-1-generic_3.0-1.2 that contrary to all other packages thinks that I', out of space.. | 23:22 |
| Jake123 | So, does anyone know if you can still download the classic desktop in 11.10, or is it gone for good? | 23:28 |
| micahg | Jake123: most of the apps have been upgraded, it's also deprecated upstream in favor of gnome-shell | 23:30 |
| Jake123 | micahg: so... they're forcing Unity on everyone then? | 23:33 |
| micahg | Jake123: "upstream" as in GNOME | 23:34 |
| BUGabundo | Jake123: I'm using classic | 23:34 |
| Jake123 | bugABUNDO: sO YOU CAN STILL INSTALL IT, IT JUST DOESN'T COME DEFAULT? | 23:35 |
| Jake123 | sorry caps =[ | 23:35 |
| arand | Jake123: Unity or any other DE you choose to install, I assume classic will be deprecated yes. | 23:35 |
| BUGabundo | Jake123: I just chose it at login | 23:36 |
| Jake123 | deprecated... as in made obsolete? Cause that's the only way I've heard that word used. | 23:37 |
| arand | Are you people able to upgrade to the latest kernel btw, mine have gotten the false Idea that I'm out of space when I'm not. | 23:38 |
| arand | Jake123: The plan has been for classic to be dropped in oo, yes, what actually end up happening I don't know, but I haven't heard of any changes to that plan. | 23:39 |
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