[02:13] i've downloaded oneiric iso, but it doesn't fit on CD. I've put in on flash drive butit doesn't apperas bootable. what to do? [02:16] Follow the USB drive instructions: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download [02:27] you mean I cannot just put iso on usb drive? the tool described in the article doesn't work. [02:32] Lint: no, cuz it the kernel will try to find the root file system on a CD drive [03:00] I thought you could dd the iso now? [03:00] maybe I am wrong [03:00] haven't tried it myself [03:05] You are supposed be able to copy the iso to a usb drive now. [03:08] just a plain copy/paste? [03:08] and it should boot? [03:09] think I'll give it a test [03:10] I don't think a simple copy paste would work, you have to write the image to the drive [03:10] as far as I know, yes [03:10] won't hurt to try...I'll report my failures [03:11] You have to burn to cd, but can copy to usb, I thought. [03:11] You no longer use usb creator, I got that much anyway [03:11] I think you still have to 'burn' to usb though. [03:11] You can copy it from the cd to the usb. [03:11] At least, this is how I understand it. [03:12] hehe, would be nice if this was documented somewhere [03:12] I mean with actual working info [03:13] Here is the docs I know of - [03:13] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-June/033495.html [03:18] Yep, you need to write it to usb: http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07#isohybrid_CDs [03:20] Oh, maybe we were all saying the same thing, but misunderstanding eachother. [03:21] # dd if=debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX [03:22] commands remove the need to understand :) [03:24] So you have to dd it, huh? [03:24] Still, I guess that is better than having to use USB-Creator [03:25] maybe you can patch cdrecord to write to a usb stick :) [03:26] heh, anything is possible [04:17] how long does a dd usually take? [04:17] nm, 171.707 s [04:31] My USB is /dev/sdd1 do I use sdd or sdd1 in dd if=oneirirc.iso of=/dev/sdd? === magn3ts is now known as MannysNutSalter === MannysNutSalter is now known as magn3ts === magn3ts is now known as MannysFanny === MannysFanny is now known as magn3ts === semitones_tea is now known as semitones [09:41] I'm looking for gnome-appearance-properties while running oneiric dev, apt-file claims that it resides in gnome-control-center (after purge and update), but when installing the package the command (/usr/bin/gnome-appearance-properties) is nowhere to be found, any help? [10:04] the gnome control center got redone, I'm not sure if parts of it can be started seperately and don't know what happened to the appearance options === F3ar|away is now known as F3ar [15:08] gief back nvidia-current :( [15:24] With Ubuntu 11.10 coming with Gnome 3 by default, is that to suggest that Gnome Shell is officially supported by Ubuntu beginning with 11.10, despite Unity being the default interface? [15:25] Roasted: I didn't think it was going to be in the official repo [15:25] !gnome-shell [15:25] oops [15:25] Roasted: Supposedly, yes [15:25] !info gnome-shell [15:25] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.2-1 (oneiric), package size 816 kB, installed size 3976 kB [15:25] ah, it's in universe, not main [15:25] Is that to say that Gnome Shell on Ubuntu will be "as supported" as Fedora 15, which ships by default? Or am I being partially delusional here? [15:26] Roasted: it's in universe which isn't "official" software support, hang on I'll find the webpage with the definitions [15:27] I just really do not like Unity... yet I want to stick with Ubuntu, however I also want to use something that is well supported too. [15:27] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories [15:27] thanks bro [15:27] basically you're depending on the motu guys for problem resolution [15:27] sigh [15:27] Ubuntu... why'd you have to do this. [15:28] and by the way, who are motu? Is that the universe repo manager team? [15:31] Roasted: "masters of the universe", but yes, the guys who build the software for that repo [15:32] So are motu guys not official debian/ubuntu/canonical employees? [15:34] correct, just guys who do some software packages as their contributions [15:34] some excellent guys [15:34] sure sounds like it. [15:35] I'm sure they'll do a good job with gnome shell. there's certainly enough demand for it. :P [15:35] or not..... [15:36] some packages are maintained well, others not, it really depends on the individual rather than demand [15:36] I would think demand could dictate the push for the repos though as well. If there's a world of people complaining for a certain software package, I would think at some point somebody would step up to manage it properly. [15:37] in a perfect world, at least. [15:37] that's not how it works at all [15:37] the motu's are "people" not obliged to do anything, [15:37] I just hate to ditch Ubuntu due to lack of Gnome Shell support. I love Ubuntu and have no issue installing a DE of my choice. I just don't want it to be treated like a POS because Ubuntu decided to go off in Unity land. [15:38] that's a decision canonical have made, you have to chose unsupported, or not use it [15:38] from 12.04 (I think that's the version) the gnome 2 desktop components *gnome fall back* will be dropped [15:38] well, I'll choose the latter if GS support is abandoned cold turkey. [15:38] meaning what? [15:39] no non-unity desktop components [15:39] meaning gnome shell will be, essentially, prohibited? [15:39] let me see if I can find the url [15:39] Roasted: not prohibieted, but the components will not be anything to do with the release [15:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases [15:40] I'm not sure I'm entirely following. Is this a low-blow against Gnome Shell, or am I missing something? [15:40] not the link I was looking for, but the 12.04 release will not contain the classic gnome look for fall back [15:40] oh [15:40] I'm not worried about Classic Gnome... [15:40] gnome3 will still be there [15:40] ahh, 11.10 will not include it either [15:40] I'm talking about Gnome Shell, based on Gnome 3. [15:41] 11.10's fallback is Unity 2D. [15:41] well, gnome shell is not part of the official repos at all [15:41] I understand that. I'm just trying to get a feel for how "out in the cold" Gnome Shell will be treated in regard to Ubuntu's recent adoption of Unity. [15:41] totally [15:42] Though, if LXDE can some out of no where and with a small team become an official release of the *buntu team, I would hardly think they'd ignore Gnome Shell all together. [15:42] it's up the motu members to manage and maintain gnome shell [15:42] they would as it's a direct opposition to canonicals direction [15:42] But how's that make sense when Unity is ran on top of Gnome? [15:43] because canonicals direction is unity - so gnome shell is in opposition to that, so I can't see it getting support [15:44] ikonia, I guess my point is this. If Lubuntu has support, along with Xubuntu, Kubuntu, and Unity is based on Gnome 3, to see Ubuntu/Canonical flat out "ignore" Gnome Shell I would think would shoot themselves in the foot. [15:44] that's up to them [15:44] Right. [15:44] but xubuntu/kubuntu etc etc are different, not in oppositiion to official direction] [15:44] I'm just speaking from the standpoint of... I don't see why. [15:44] gnome shell has been activly dropped, [15:44] I don't see how Gnome Shell can be in anymore opposition of official direction as XFCE LXDE and KDE are. [15:44] They're different. They're all different. [15:45] It's just another DE in the crowd to choose from. [15:45] Treating a DE as a direct competitor would sound foolish. [15:45] that's up to them, lets see what happens [15:45] Especially considering the similar core. [15:45] Yeah. [15:45] I don't know. It's making Mint and Fedora look 100% more attractive. I hope they don't make a bad move here. [15:47] ikonia, can I ask you a question based on your personal opinion? [15:47] sure [15:47] ikonia, which DE to you tend to use most? [15:47] or prefer, etc. [15:48] gnome mostly, ocassionally xfce, I dabble with fluxbox and lxde on occasion for my own interest [15:48] so it varies a bit [15:48] I see. I tinker with many as well, but I try to stick to one for extended periods of time to learn more about it. [15:49] gnome is the most straight foward and out of the box easy to use, so I have no reason to change [15:49] ikonia, if you're a gnome guy, which are you going to use in the future? [15:50] I'm trying to adapt to gnome shell at the moment, it's a big jump [15:50] I agree. [15:50] so you'll likely use GS over Unity? [15:51] totally [15:51] You sure do a good job of holding back biasness during conversation. [15:51] I would have taken you for a huge Unity fan considering how black/white you were in regard to Gnome Shell's support when I was asking about it. [15:52] there are 2 different positions, the realistic one and the personal opinion one [15:52] Yeah. I agree there. [15:52] I don't like to think negatively about something until I use it extensively. [15:52] My opinion about Apple, for example, was idle until I owned one, etc. [15:53] But the more I use Unity the more I dislike it. However I want to stay with Ubuntu, so it's a little frustrating having two things I enjoy yet they not be in the same boat. [15:54] I don't think it will be realisic to use ubuntu in a production type environment if you want to use gnome-shell, that's my personal stance [15:56] I agree. I'm pushing Ubuntu/XFCE at the moment to use in a production in our environment. But even for personal use, if I'm going to use something and rely on it I try to stick to a more supported avenue. [15:56] er, wait.. [15:56] You're referring that if I were to deploy GS as the primary need, then you wouldn't use Ubuntu? [15:56] I thought you were saying you wouldn't use GS in production. [15:57] Roasted: no, if I want to use a current gnome 3 desktop with gnome shell and get support/package maintenance, I won't be using ubuntu [15:57] Yeah. Our production environment is a school, so I'm not sure about Gnome Shell in a school. It might be a little distracting for students. [15:58] So I don't know if I'd even deploy GS, regardless of the OS/support. [15:58] ikonia, given that ultimatum with wnating GS in a production environment, which avenue would you take? Fedora? [15:59] possibly, but a 6 month rolling cycle and 12 month (or is it 18) doesn't appeal to me [16:01] well, I'm running Fedora on my laptop here, and it sure is nice. But I try to stick to .deb if at all possible. [16:01] anyway, thanks for your time and insight ikonia [16:01] welcome === F3ar is now known as F3ar|away [19:12] hello? [19:13] hay alguien que me pueda ayudar? [19:16] resulta que paso algo muy curioso con la interfaz de gnome , en el momento que me dispuse a instalar cairo-dock los iconos de network-manager y wicd se bajan del paner generico , ahora cuendo mato el proceso de cairo-dock los iconos desaparecen O.O ¿que puede ser? [19:16] !es | tatan [19:16] tatan: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [19:19] thanks , I switch to the correct channel [19:25] sorry , i noob in the irssi interface XD i begin to get familiar with the program [19:26] joined #ubuntu+1 [19:27] ok gracias [19:47] Evening :) [19:47] I'm missing icons of Terminal for example. Any idea whats wrong ? [19:49] dupondje: yes [19:49] you need to installk gnome-icon-theme-full [19:49] s/allk/all/ [19:51] now this looks better ! [19:51] thx [19:52] Should be a recommend/depend but ok :-) === KNUBBIG_ is now known as KNUBBIG === KNUBBIG is now known as KNUBBIG_ [20:33] trying to do dd if=oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc my question is blkid shows my usb device as sdc1 so do I use sdc1 or sdc? [20:39] I have never used dd [20:40] trying /dev/sdc and will see what happens [20:41] sdc [20:41] you need to get the boot sector [20:41] CarlFK: so if I understand the output of blkid /dev/sdc1 represents the existing partion on /sdc [20:42] or whatever the booty stuff is on a usb stick given it doesn't really have sectors [20:42] /dev/sdc1 represents the existing partion on /sdc - that sounds right. what's bikid? [20:43] try it, sudo blkid [20:43] L not i [20:43] blkid - command-line utility to locate/print block device attributes - neat [21:01] Oneiric alpha 1.... kubuntu version is the best alpha i have used.... so far i swear im useing a stable distro....even think there is maybe 15 to 20% preformence increase over 11.04 [21:02] That's because most of the changes that will happen in Oneiric are not in Kubuntu Alpha1 yet [21:03] * BluesKaj shudders === __mikem is now known as mmiller235 [21:09] Well, at least kernel 3.0.1 seems to be chugging along alright [21:14] genii-around, desktop effects with nvidia still disabled , on 3.0.1 ? [21:18] BluesKaj: The nvidia dkms rebuilt without prob [21:21] genii-around, I reverted to natty when 3.0.0 kernel upgrade decided to break and uninstall the new nvidia driver , after booting in a few days ago === tremolux_ is now known as tremolux [21:59] evening folks [22:01] hey [22:02] Hello [22:03] quiet, isn't it ? [22:03] Not many updates :( [22:03] and stuff is still broken [22:03] Current status: 55 updates [+47], 34091 new [+53]. [22:03] aha updates [22:04] finaly an empathy fix? [22:05] whats broken ? [22:05] everything seems to work quite fine here :D [22:05] And I think even better accu time then Natty :) [22:06] dupondje: what's NOT broken [22:06] heh [22:06] i'm quite lucky then [22:06] cause everything just works here ? [22:06] except Azerty on the login screen :p [22:07] dupondje: I'm being thrown back to unity 2D, launcher doesn't hide, apps maximize under the launcher, [22:08] ah [22:08] but i'm on Gnome3 [22:08] :) [22:08] no composite [22:08] no 3D [22:09] no accelaration [22:09] NM is broken [22:09] (need to file that) [22:09] NetworkManager works fine here [22:09] applets are very reduces [22:09] dupondje: try to start pidgin [22:09] or turn off NM and back on again [22:09] nothing will work [22:09] pidgin works now BUGabundo [22:09] it had an update [22:10] humm [22:10] will test on next boot [22:10] didn't this morning [22:10] pidgin works here fine [22:11] and NetworkManager, well didn't found a thing that didn't work :P [22:11] weird [22:11] :) [22:11] wifi will not work with NM off [22:14] mm [22:14] was that the case otherwise ? :) [22:14] cause password and such are saved in NM no ? [22:32] I think they are saved in the gnome-keyring === AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell === jtaylor_ is now known as jtaylor [22:57] Hmm, dpkg thinks I'm out of space when installing the new kernel, when In fact I've got ~50% free and I can write more to disk fine... [22:58] unable to install new version of `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.0-1-generic/include/config/fb/aty/gx.h': No space left on device [22:59] apt-get autoclean? [22:59] is / separate from /home, maybe? [23:00] Already done a clean, and as I mentioned, I actually ain't running out of space, dpkg or the kernel configuration seems to think so though... [23:00] Nope, / and /home a two subvolumes on btrfs with a combined ~4G free [23:01] only other thing i can think of is a very large file descriptor [23:01] i remember deleting a 50GB ~/.xsession-errors that wasnt actually freed til i logged out [23:02] And since i was able to just dd a 2G file in /tmp I think it somehow lies in the configuration process' interpretation of the space.. [23:02] I have rebooted in between [23:17] Hmm, it seems the configuration of the linux package got stuck at a point where it was convinced I had to little space, and to unconvince it I had to install the older linux package and pull the upgrade again.. seems to be rolling now.. [23:22] Nope, too early, still this linux-headers-3.0-1-generic_3.0-1.2 that contrary to all other packages thinks that I', out of space.. [23:28] So, does anyone know if you can still download the classic desktop in 11.10, or is it gone for good? [23:30] Jake123: most of the apps have been upgraded, it's also deprecated upstream in favor of gnome-shell [23:33] micahg: so... they're forcing Unity on everyone then? [23:34] Jake123: "upstream" as in GNOME [23:34] Jake123: I'm using classic [23:35] bugABUNDO: sO YOU CAN STILL INSTALL IT, IT JUST DOESN'T COME DEFAULT? [23:35] sorry caps =[ [23:35] Jake123: Unity or any other DE you choose to install, I assume classic will be deprecated yes. [23:36] Jake123: I just chose it at login [23:37] deprecated... as in made obsolete? Cause that's the only way I've heard that word used. [23:38] Are you people able to upgrade to the latest kernel btw, mine have gotten the false Idea that I'm out of space when I'm not. [23:39] Jake123: The plan has been for classic to be dropped in oo, yes, what actually end up happening I don't know, but I haven't heard of any changes to that plan.