| kim0 | Morning fellas | 08:28 |
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| === daker_ is now known as daker | ||
| fulc | Hello, can anyone help me with UEC? | 11:26 |
| flaccid | hello, how long is a piece of string? | 11:34 |
| flaccid | you may also like to see the topic. | 11:35 |
| flaccid | fulc ^^ don't ask to ask, just ask. | 11:37 |
| fulc | alright :) | 11:37 |
| fulc | i want to install and enable xen on my server machines that dont support hardware virtualization, and UEC comes with KVM by default | 11:37 |
| fulc | just to make it clear, I have 3 machines (1 front-end and 2 nodes) and using UEC for private cloud computing | 11:39 |
| fulc | If I'm at the wrong place, please tell me where to go =] | 11:39 |
| flaccid | you may have more luck with the eucalyptus doc or #eucalyptus | 11:42 |
| fulc | alright, thanks =] | 11:42 |
| ubuntucloud582 | hi | 12:54 |
| ubuntucloud582 | sorry im new on ubuntu .. the project is awsome but wat is a cloud ...ouffff! | 12:55 |
| flaccid | haha | 13:16 |
| flaccid | someone said oufffff | 13:16 |
| fulc | ugh..no luck at #eucalyptus | 13:17 |
| flaccid | i wouldn't expect it | 13:18 |
| flaccid | try googling xen with eucalyptus.. | 13:18 |
| flaccid | i prefer cloudstack or openstack, but if you want to use euca thats totally your choice | 13:19 |
| fulc | well, not really mine...but my boss' ^_^ | 13:23 |
| fulc | i'm an intern and they gave me these old machines to install eucalyptus on | 13:23 |
| fulc | although, if these cloudstack and openstack are better (more compatible and easy to use), i might be allowed to try them out | 13:26 |
| flaccid | if its commercial, you'll need to get euca support i.e. paid support because its so buggy and difficult (imho) | 13:27 |
| fulc | uhm | 13:28 |
| fulc | i dont know what you mean by commercial :) | 13:28 |
| fulc | they just want to use the cloud for internal testing of some software | 13:28 |
| fulc | so, which one do you think i should scope? cloudstack or openstack? and what is the difference? | 13:29 |
| flaccid | well sorry, i mean like as in professional. i wouldn't use eucalyptus without their support because of how it is | 13:33 |
| flaccid | you don't need a private cloud for testing of software though, you can just use virtualizer like virtualbox or vmware | 13:34 |
| flaccid | for other private clouds, i'd check out both. UEC will be switching to one of these soon anyway | 13:34 |
| fulc | that's exactly what i'm thinking, but they said they want a cloud for this | 13:34 |
| flaccid | though there is no reason why you just don't use aws ec2 for your needs. | 13:35 |
| flaccid | well Amazon EC2 is the biggest cloud in the world | 13:35 |
| flaccid | *public cloud sorry | 13:35 |
| smoser | flaccid, fulc Ubuntu's "UEC" is changing its name in 11.10 to "Ubuntu Cloud" . Previously, that was "Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud". The 'E' was confusing both under the assumption that Enterprise == "I have to pay for it" and "E" == "Eucalyptus" | 14:45 |
| smoser | in 11.10, Ubuntu's default solution when installing cloud will be openstack. | 14:46 |
| fulc | great, now i just have to wait 4 months for it :D | 14:46 |
| smoser | well, you can try alpha1, but i wont tell you that it going to be a easy experience | 14:47 |
| smoser | or that you should judge ubuntu on that. | 14:47 |
| smoser | if you need osmething for testing, you really should give a quick look to UEC of 11.04 installed from ISO. it may well "just work" for your needs. | 14:47 |
| fulc | i'll probably manage to get this euca thing working...been struggling with it for 2 weeks now | 14:47 |
| flaccid | smoser: yeah, thus my comment. | 14:47 |
| smoser | i have zero experience with cloudstack, so i am not able to comment there. | 14:48 |
| flaccid | there is no reason why you can't just try out both openstack and cloudstack without ubuntu | 14:48 |
| flaccid | ubuntu doesn't need to hold your hand there :) | 14:48 |
| smoser | ah, regarding xen, that is definitelyi untested path on ubuntu. | 14:49 |
| flaccid | personally, i mean if its going to be called ubuntu cloud and its openstack well its not a cloud by ubuntu is it | 14:50 |
| fulc | oh well, i installed ubuntu because it came with everything already installed =] | 14:51 |
| flaccid | the name change also doesn't explain the major switch of cloud software either does it? :) | 14:51 |
| fulc | the UEC as a whole I mean | 14:51 |
| fulc | but these are some old machines with no hardware virtualization...and kvm doesnt support the other one :P | 14:52 |
| flaccid | decent cloud software is not hard to install and has docs on how to install | 14:52 |
| flaccid | well ubuntu doesn't support it but paravirtual with xen is indeed possible with euca, http://open.eucalyptus.com/forum/eucalyptus-xen-or-kvm | 14:53 |
| flaccid | support is dependent on the kernel i.e. you may need a xen specific kernel if not compiled in | 14:53 |
| flaccid | for euca its more of an option, but for ubuntu its not supported | 14:54 |
| flaccid | ec2 and the rackspace cloud both use xen | 14:55 |
| fulc | is this amazon ec2 free? | 14:57 |
| flaccid | it can be with the aws free tier | 14:58 |
| fulc | let me google it up =] | 14:58 |
| fulc | erm, i dont understand this...pay as you go computing...are they offering me a cloud? | 14:59 |
| fulc | i would just like some software to run on my own machines =) | 14:59 |
| flaccid | there is #aws for aws and you basically have the most popular cloud options | 15:01 |
| flaccid | ec2 is a public cloud | 15:02 |
| flaccid | err *most popular private cloud options | 15:02 |
| fulc | right... | 15:03 |
| fulc | so i need this aws thing instead of ec2 =] | 15:03 |
| flaccid | aws=amazon web services which offers the ec2 cloud as a product | 15:04 |
| smoser | amazon does not provide any solution for "private cloud" | 15:15 |
| smoser | only public cloud | 15:15 |
| fulc | oh i see | 15:26 |
| fulc | thanks for the help guys | 15:26 |
| iamcloud | hello | 18:33 |
| === daker is now known as daker_ | ||
| Kyle__ | How do you find the log of an individual vm? From eucalyptus/UEC's point of view, not the vms. | 19:52 |
| obino | Kyle__: which kind of logs are you looking for? | 20:06 |
| Kyle__ | obino: Ones that will show me why a vm didn't start. | 20:19 |
| obino | you may want to look into the nc.log | 21:36 |
| obino | find the NC that tries to run the instance and look in the nc.log on that machine | 21:36 |
| obino | you can trace it from the cc.log (it will tell you the IP address of the NC trying to run the instance) | 21:37 |
| Kyle__ | OK | 21:37 |
| Kyle__ | Will it be in there by bucket name or image id? | 21:40 |
| === mrjazzcat_ is now known as mrjazzcat | ||
| obino | Kyle__: instance ID | 21:54 |
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