[08:28] <kim0> Morning fellas
[11:26] <fulc> Hello, can anyone help me with UEC?
[11:34] <flaccid> hello, how long is a piece of string?
[11:35] <flaccid> you may also like to see the topic.
[11:37] <flaccid> fulc ^^ don't ask to ask, just ask.
[11:37] <fulc> alright :)
[11:37] <fulc> i want to install and enable xen on my server machines that dont support hardware virtualization, and UEC comes with KVM by default
[11:39] <fulc> just to make it clear, I have 3 machines (1 front-end and 2 nodes) and using UEC for private cloud computing
[11:39] <fulc> If I'm at the wrong place, please tell me where to go =]
[11:42] <flaccid> you may have more luck with the eucalyptus doc or #eucalyptus
[11:42] <fulc> alright, thanks =]
[12:54] <ubuntucloud582> hi
[12:55] <ubuntucloud582> sorry im new on ubuntu .. the project is awsome but wat is a  cloud ...ouffff!
[13:16] <flaccid> haha
[13:16] <flaccid> someone said oufffff
[13:17] <fulc> ugh..no luck at #eucalyptus
[13:18] <flaccid> i wouldn't expect it
[13:18] <flaccid> try googling xen with eucalyptus..
[13:19] <flaccid> i prefer cloudstack or openstack, but if you want to use euca thats totally your choice
[13:23] <fulc> well, not really mine...but my boss' ^_^
[13:23] <fulc> i'm an intern and they gave me these old machines to install eucalyptus on
[13:26] <fulc> although, if these cloudstack and openstack are better (more compatible and easy to use), i might be allowed to try them out
[13:27] <flaccid> if its commercial, you'll need to get euca support i.e. paid support because its so buggy and difficult (imho)
[13:28] <fulc> uhm
[13:28] <fulc> i dont know what you mean by commercial :)
[13:28] <fulc> they just want to use the cloud for internal testing of some software
[13:29] <fulc> so, which one do you think i should scope? cloudstack or openstack? and what is the difference?
[13:33] <flaccid> well sorry, i mean like as in professional. i wouldn't use eucalyptus without their support because of how it is
[13:34] <flaccid> you don't need a private cloud for testing of software though, you can just use virtualizer like virtualbox or vmware
[13:34] <flaccid> for other private clouds, i'd check out both. UEC will be switching to one of these soon anyway
[13:34] <fulc> that's exactly what i'm thinking, but they said they want a cloud for this
[13:35] <flaccid> though there is no reason why you just don't use aws ec2 for your needs.
[13:35] <flaccid> well Amazon EC2 is the biggest cloud in the world
[13:35] <flaccid> *public cloud sorry
[14:45] <smoser> flaccid, fulc Ubuntu's "UEC" is changing its name in 11.10 to "Ubuntu Cloud" .  Previously, that was "Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud".  The 'E' was confusing both under the assumption that Enterprise == "I have to pay for it" and "E" == "Eucalyptus"
[14:46] <smoser> in 11.10, Ubuntu's default solution when installing cloud will be openstack.
[14:46] <fulc> great, now i just have to wait 4 months for it :D
[14:47] <smoser> well, you can try alpha1, but i wont tell you that it going to be a easy experience
[14:47] <smoser> or that you should judge ubuntu on that.
[14:47] <smoser> if you need osmething for testing, you really should give a quick look to UEC of 11.04 installed from ISO. it may well "just work" for your needs.
[14:47] <fulc> i'll probably manage to get this euca thing working...been struggling with it for 2 weeks now
[14:47] <flaccid> smoser: yeah, thus my comment.
[14:48] <smoser> i have zero experience with cloudstack, so i am not able to comment there.
[14:48] <flaccid> there is no reason why you can't just try out both openstack and cloudstack without ubuntu
[14:48] <flaccid> ubuntu doesn't need to hold your hand there :)
[14:49] <smoser> ah, regarding xen, that is definitelyi untested path on ubuntu.
[14:50] <flaccid> personally, i mean if its going to be called ubuntu cloud and its openstack well its not a cloud by ubuntu is it
[14:51] <fulc> oh well, i installed ubuntu because it came with everything already installed =]
[14:51] <flaccid> the name change also doesn't explain the major switch of cloud software either does it? :)
[14:51] <fulc> the UEC as a whole I mean
[14:52] <fulc> but these are some old machines with no hardware virtualization...and kvm doesnt support the other one :P
[14:52] <flaccid> decent cloud software is not hard to install and has docs on how to install
[14:53] <flaccid> well ubuntu doesn't support it but paravirtual with xen is indeed possible with euca, http://open.eucalyptus.com/forum/eucalyptus-xen-or-kvm
[14:53] <flaccid> support is dependent on the kernel i.e. you may need a xen specific kernel if not compiled in
[14:54] <flaccid> for euca its more of an option, but for ubuntu its not supported
[14:55] <flaccid> ec2 and the rackspace cloud both use xen
[14:57] <fulc> is this amazon ec2 free?
[14:58] <flaccid> it can be with the aws free tier
[14:58] <fulc> let me google it up =]
[14:59] <fulc> erm, i dont understand this...pay as you go computing...are they offering me a cloud?
[14:59] <fulc> i would just like some software to run on my own machines =)
[15:01] <flaccid> there is #aws for aws and you basically have the most popular cloud options
[15:02] <flaccid> ec2 is a public cloud
[15:02] <flaccid> err *most popular private cloud options
[15:03] <fulc> right...
[15:03] <fulc> so i need this aws thing instead of ec2 =]
[15:04] <flaccid> aws=amazon web services which offers the ec2 cloud as a product
[15:15] <smoser> amazon does not provide any solution for "private cloud"
[15:15] <smoser> only public cloud
[15:26] <fulc> oh i see
[15:26] <fulc> thanks for the help guys
[18:33] <iamcloud> hello
[19:52] <Kyle__> How do you find the log of an individual vm?  From eucalyptus/UEC's point of view, not the vms.
[20:06] <obino> Kyle__: which kind of logs are you looking for?
[20:19] <Kyle__> obino: Ones that will show me why a vm didn't start.
[21:36] <obino> you may want to look into the nc.log
[21:36] <obino> find the NC that tries to run the instance and look in the nc.log on that machine
[21:37] <obino> you can trace it from the cc.log (it will tell you the IP address of the NC trying to run the instance)
[21:37] <Kyle__> OK
[21:40] <Kyle__> Will it be in there by bucket name or image id?
[21:54] <obino> Kyle__: instance ID