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DJonesMorning all08:23
shaunohowdy08:24
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:36
AlanBellmorning08:44
selinuxiumMorning AlanBell  o/08:44
selinuxiummorning all   o/08:45
MooDoohello all08:56
brobostigongood morning everyone,08:57
brobostigonmorning MooDoo :)08:57
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TheOpenSourcererMorning earthlings (and other types)09:15
brobostigonmorning TheOpenSourcerer :)09:15
MooDoobrobostigon: morning :)09:15
TheOpenSourcererHow are you brobostigon?09:15
MooDoopopey: hows the car?09:15
brobostigonTheOpenSourcerer: not so hot, my nose is really bad, and my hay fever is playing up, and i have alot to do today. and you?09:16
TheOpenSourcererI'm OK in myself thanks. Quite a bit to do and have to run my son back and forth from the dentist.09:17
brobostigongood luck, dont wear self out.09:17
bigcalmDoes said dentist use open molar?09:19
AlanBellthere is also openERP dental09:26
AlanBellhttp://www.valuedecision.com/dental-openerp-project/09:26
cbx33Hey there peeps09:28
cbx33What do people generally use for video editing at the moment on ubuntu?09:28
AlanBellopenshot09:29
MooDoopitivi09:29
cbx33I used to be a Cinelerra kinga guy as it seemed to be the only one that was pretty full featured09:31
brobostigonblender09:31
cbx33brobostigon, hardcore!!!09:31
popeyMooDoo: which one? :D09:31
cbx33pre 2.5?09:31
MooDoopopey: your hire car :)09:31
cbx33hey popey !09:32
brobostigoncbx33: the standard natty version,it hs took along time to learn.09:32
cbx33yeh I can imagine!09:32
cbx33I did look at the a while ago09:32
cbx33when I was doing the pr0g80X.vid vidcast09:32
brobostigonah09:32
AlanBellbrobostigon: got any examples of stuff you have done in blender?09:32
brobostigonAlanBell: let me dig,09:32
oimonis there any truth in the story that bitcoin is actually an AMD marketing ploy, and they wrote the software (to be 10x faster on inferior AMD cards), and injected tens of thousands of $ into the market to create the initial fake demand?09:32
cbx33http://blip.tv/pr0g80xvid/pr0g80x-vid-episode0-4-966912 - that was cinelerra with blender for the overlays09:33
AlanBelloimon: no09:34
oimonno thats cos i made it up. would be funny though09:34
cbx33oimon, good story though09:34
popeyMooDoo: yeah, its fine09:34
MooDoopopey: obviously the 5 times you beeped wasn't enough, 6 and it would of been fine ;D09:35
oimonmodern bumpers can withstand impact of up to 15 mph09:35
oimonas i discovered when some fool drove into the back of me at a roundabout09:35
* MooDoo is a motorbike rider......09:36
brobostigonAlanBell: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1Rh/09:36
popeyMooDoo: clearly09:38
popeyMooDoo: I went a bit nuts09:38
MooDoopopey: not surprised, still get their details though?09:39
bigcalmProtective of your new mota09:40
oimonhttps://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6#diff-109:40
popeyMooDoo: took a photo of their numberplate09:40
popeybigcalm: hire car09:40
bigcalmAh09:40
bigcalmNe-bother then ;)09:40
oimoni lol'd at the bumblebee fail, then saw the comments :)09:40
popeywell, i dont want her claiming I hit her09:40
bigcalmpopey: fair enough09:41
bigcalmI had an old man roll back into me. Lightest of touches I'm sure. My dad was with me and he seemed more peed off than I was09:42
dogmatic69o/09:42
dogmatic69MooDoo: what bike you got?09:43
MooDoodogmatic69: suzuki bandit 60009:43
dogmatic69nice09:43
* dogmatic69 has a rvf 40009:43
dogmatic69honda ^09:44
MooDoodogmatic69: yes it's a bit of a change, my previous one was a kwak zx6 [had to sell it]09:44
* TheOpenSourcerer used to have a BSA C15 SuperSport (about 25 yrs ago)09:44
MooDoonice09:45
dogmatic69TheOpenSourcerer: about 25 yrs ago i had a http://tinyurl.com/3qfdbvr09:46
TheOpenSourcererMy first bike was a Garelli something or other.09:46
BigRedSdogmatic69: ooh, you might know this, then - what's teh difference between the rvf and the vfr? It is basically the way-up-ness of the forks?10:09
dogmatic69BigRedS: rvf is newer, last production about 96' iirc10:15
dogmatic69rvf is nc35, vfr is nc29 and lower10:15
dogmatic69rvf had upsidown forks and single swing arm, it was also the first time a company took tech direct from moto gp to a road bike10:16
dogmatic69rvf was only ever released in japan so any one you get in any other country is a 'gray import'10:16
dogmatic69they are pretty much collectors status, can fetch 5k for a nice one10:17
BigRedSahhh, so there's a bunch of subtleties, too10:19
BigRedSAnd, yeah, they do seem a bit more than a vfr :) I've a couple of mates after VFRs, keep stumbling across these mythical RVFs with funny-looking forks :)10:20
selinuxiumBigRedS dogmatic69, I had a NC30 for years... Lovely bike... :)10:26
MooDooi want a zx12 next, ooo look a flying pig :)10:27
dogmatic69selinuxium: nice10:28
BigRedSselinuxium: yeah, I'm getting more and more sold ona  vfr (800, though) through helping these guys find some10:28
BigRedSbut I think I'd miss the comfort of the pan :) An ST1300 seems to be the logical choice for my next bike :)10:28
dogmatic69BigRedS: rvf > vfr10:28
BigRedSdogmatic69: well, you would say that :)10:28
dogmatic69nope, its a fact10:29
BigRedShaha10:29
dogmatic69newer bike, newer technology, faster, etc10:29
selinuxiumBigRedS, dogmatic69: I have a Triumph Sprint 900 and a Kwac ZZR400 atm...10:29
BigRedSbut, yeah, that's what I heard, I just couldn't find a list of what was better. And theyr'e a bunch more expensive than a same-condition-and-age vfr10:29
dogmatic69never been a fan of kawa, eventually im going to get a duke10:30
selinuxiumdogmatic69, never been a fan of duke's... Rattly things...10:30
selinuxium:)10:30
BigRedSI've become such a honda fanboi...10:31
selinuxiumSuzuki is my thing, but spent most my time on Honda..10:31
dogmatic69BigRedS: my uncle got one of these the a few months back http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00838/motoring-graphics-2_838553a.jpg10:31
BigRedSdogmatic69: oooh. Though my things is more, uh, 'boring' bikes10:32
BigRedSI've just ordered a bunch of bits for my CX :)10:32
selinuxiumdogmatic69, Beautiful looking bike..10:33
BigRedSis that the blade or a 600?10:34
selinuxiumStill want a TL100r or a Gixer 6/750/thou...10:34
BigRedSall bikes should have V engines10:34
hoovergood morning10:37
BigRedSg'morning!10:38
bigcalmGood afternoon hoover10:38
hooverhey biggie10:48
hooveranyone heard of / evaluated nimbula?10:53
daevcould someone please assist me with a small problem i'm having? I'm running 11.04 x86_64 but cpu doesn't flag long-mode.11:00
popeydaev: whats the problem?11:01
davmor2morning all11:01
davmor2popey: you need to get rid of all cars that should solve your issues dude, that or stop drawing targets on them :)11:02
popeyclearly11:02
* AlanBell prefers Pendulum's new car11:03
AlanBellhttps://foursquare.com/colona13/checkin/4dfe2c14fa7628b893eb49c5?s=SUFrnLR7ff39D4PmKZdDQHabazw11:03
bigcalmIs there a doctor in the house?11:03
gordi can pretend to be a doctor11:03
popeyYou can trust me, I'm a doctor.11:04
bigcalmGrandmother has had only fruit squash drinks (little of) and pain killer patches for several weeks now. Amazingly she is still alive. How long can the body really survive in such a state?11:05
daevpopey, I'm running Ubuntu 11.04 x86_64 on an AMD Turion II. I now want to install a guest os on vbox but it's imforming me that the cpu doesn't support long-mode. I checked $uname -a and everything ok. I also checked $grep --color=always -iw lm /proc/cpuinfo and it doesn't flag 'long-mode' anywhere. is there a way of getting vbox to recognise it's 64bit capable?11:05
davmor2popey: that line reminds me of Sledgehammer "Trust me I know what I'm doing!"11:05
DJonespopey: Thats what Harold Shipman said isn't it11:06
AlanBelldaev: yes, you need to tell it the OS you are installing is ubuntu 64 bit11:06
danfishbigcalm: the quack has arrived :)11:07
czajkowskibigcalm: some of those drinks contrain all the nutrients a person needs11:07
* davmor2 prods czajkowski 11:07
czajkowskimeh11:08
daevAlanBell, do you know how i can tell it? Is it a setting inside vbox that will virtualise a 64bit cpu?11:08
MooDoomorning czajkowski davmor2 my fave people :D11:09
AlanBelldaev: when you create a new VM it asks you what OS type you want to install11:09
davmor2MooDoo: Creep!11:09
AlanBellyou want linux, and "Ubuntu (64 bit)"11:09
daevAlanBell, that's amazing. I can't believe i've overlooked this. I will check now, uno momento11:09
AlanBellif something has gone wrong then you might not see all the 64 bit options - have come across this, don't know what causes it11:10
oimonlol @ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/advice/8582895/What-can-replace-an-Amstrad-E-miler.html11:11
MooDoodavmor2: czajkowski no i'm no creep, i just love you both #spreadthelove ;)11:12
MooDoolol11:12
davmor2MooDoo: I repeat "Creep!" ;)  Morning dude good to see you in a good mood on a monday not like some mardy people looking at no one in particular czajkowski  :D11:14
MooDoodavmor2: i've had lots of coffee, i'll be on the normal downer this afternoon, and the lovely czajkowski isn't grumpy she's just overworked and needs a good old pamper :)11:15
* MooDoo shakes his head11:15
daevAlanBell, thanks. It seems that was my problem all along. I didn't check I'd selected to virtualise a 64bit os. I do have a new problem now. Vbox has informed me that AMD-V is enabled but not operational. It wants me to check in BIOS but i know i don't have that option and that it's always enabled by default. Any ideas11:16
AlanBelldunno, I don't have AMD11:17
daevk cheers11:17
dogmatic69what is the crontab to run every 30 min? 30 * * * * *11:17
bigcalm0,3011:18
bigcalm30 will just run at 30 mins past the hour11:18
dogmatic69so 0,30 * * * * sudo ~/backup >> ~/backup.log11:19
bigcalmYou might be better off using absolute paths in cronjobs11:19
dogmatic69kk11:20
dogmatic69and the time was good for every 30 min?11:21
bigcalmYes11:21
bigcalmWell11:21
dogmatic69will that be at x:00 and x:3011:21
bigcalmTry it with something that won't blow up in your face11:21
bigcalmYes11:21
popeyalso11:22
popey12/30 * * * * ...11:22
popeyactually forget that :D11:22
dogmatic69what is that?11:22
dogmatic69so what whould it be for every hour?11:24
dogmatic690 0,1 * * * ...11:24
X3N_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron#Examples11:24
oimonoften i receive word .docs which are forms i need to fill in. when opened in openoffice, the user entry areas have dark grey backgroundd - anyone know how to remove it?11:24
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: every hour = 0 * * * * ("the 0th minute of every hour")11:25
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: man 5 crontab11:25
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: it has lots of examples11:25
dogmatic690 0/1 * * * according to wiki11:26
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: no..11:26
daubersMorning11:26
dogmatic69:/11:26
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: 0 * * * * = on the 0th minute, of every (*) hour of every (*) day of every (*) month, do this11:26
dogmatic69k11:27
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: man 5 crontab, really.11:27
* dogmatic69 is11:27
hooverdo you need medical assistance, biggie?11:42
* hoover is late to the party, as usual 8-P 11:42
daubersNokia N8's are rubbish. Can't setup an email account unless it's with one of the big 4 providers11:43
BigRedSthat seems astoundingly dumb11:43
popeydaubers: it doesnt do imap?11:44
dauberspopey: it doesn't let you tell it to do imap. If the domain doesn't end in gmail.com, hotmail.com, ovi.com or yahoo.com it assumes you want mail for exchange and only give syou options for that11:45
popeyhahaha11:45
popeyWho makes this phone again?11:45
daubersNokia11:45
popeyWho?11:45
popeyetc11:45
daubers:p11:45
daubersLuckily I've not paid for it. It's a loan from the bottom of someones drawer after my palm exploded :(11:45
BigRedSovi.com is one of the "big four"?11:46
daubersBigRedS: It's nokias service, so it _must_ be!11:46
shaunoI think ovi is nokia's.  so they think/pretend it is11:46
popeyhttp://discussions.nokia.co.uk/t5/Messaging-Email-and-Browsing/N8-E-Mail-Imap-Setup-Impossible/m-p/781664#M2927011:46
BigRedSah yeah11:46
dauberspopey: yeah, just read that. I've tried all those things and can't get to the "Other" option11:46
popeysuggests it is possible11:46
bigcalmhoover: not me :)11:47
daubersPile of poo :) Might just have to put up with no email for a week and a bit until I get my galaxy11:47
bigcalmHotmail via exchange has stopped working on Hayley's Wildfire, most irritating11:48
popeygolly, the podcast is going to hit 1.5 million downloads soon11:48
MartijnVdScool11:48
dauberspopey: if you had a pound for every podcast downloaded, this time next week you'd be millionaires!11:49
popeyheh11:49
popeywonder how many downloads we'd get at 1GBP/download/ep11:49
popeyvery feww I'd imagine11:49
daubersYoud probably get more with 0.50GBP/download/ep11:50
daubersAnd still have 750k to show for it by now :p11:50
dogmatic69what is the best way to backup mysql without using a pw? or having the pw in all sorts of bash files11:52
dogmatic69currently i got http://bin.cakephp.org/view/18705092611:52
shaunookay, when popey starts to show up on my non-linuxy mailing lists, I really start to wonder if I'm seeing things.  he's everywhere!11:53
daubersshauno: All your email are belong to popey?11:54
popeyshauno: bbc backstage?11:55
shaunoja11:55
popey:D11:55
popeybeen on it agaes11:56
popey*ages11:56
shaunoI seriously thought my filters had broken at first.  popey doesn't belong in this folder!11:56
popeyheh11:56
* AlanBell contemplates fibre11:57
BigRedSdogmatic69: is there anything wrong with that? Looks reasonable11:57
jpdsAlanBell: Nothing like a good cereal to start the day.11:57
popey\o/ fibre11:58
Laneybackstage is closed?11:58
popeynope11:59
dogmatic69BigRedS: having the pw in the bash file12:00
BigRedSwell, it needs to be somewhere12:00
BigRedSor you have an account with no password12:00
shaunoI think they tried/threatened, but did a really bad job of burying it12:00
dogmatic69BigRedS: the aws ubuntu images dont need a pw12:01
BigRedSbut sticking it in a file only readable by root is probably better than a user with no password12:01
dogmatic69you can just sudo and do what ever12:01
BigRedSAh, they're probably just accounts with no password, then. Or something voodoo based...12:01
dogmatic69ye its has something in suder or what ever it is12:02
ubuntuuk-planet[Andy Loughran] Choosing a CMS - http://zrmt.com/2011/06/16/choosing-a-cms/12:03
ubuntuuk-planet[Andy Loughran] Birmigham and Solihull Rugby [Sponsorship Opportunity] - http://zrmt.com/2011/06/17/birmigham-and-solihull-rugby-sponsorship-opportunity/12:03
ubuntuuk-planet[Stuart Langridge] The laptop I want, 2011 edition - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/06/20/the-laptop-i-want-2011-edition12:03
BigRedSdogmatic69: sudo?12:03
BigRedSthen it's likely to be a passworded account, just with the password in a file that only root can read12:03
BigRedSlike debian-sys-maint12:03
dogmatic69ye, the file that manages sudo12:03
dogmatic69no12:04
BigRedSbut I thought that didn't have the privileges to back things uop12:04
dogmatic69ubuntu  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL12:05
jpdsOh secure.12:06
shaunoheh, the 'red carpet' approach ;)12:07
dogmatic69ye12:08
dogmatic69this is amazons idea12:08
BigRedSaren't they sort-of disposable instances, though?12:09
BigRedSbring up, run task, destroy12:09
dogmatic69for some people12:09
BigRedSoh, I thought that was the ubiquitous use-case12:09
dogmatic69we use it for normal hosting type stuff12:10
BigRedSAh, perhaps amazon just assume it's more ephermal than that12:32
BigRedSor they can't be arsed to field questions from people not used to privilege separation12:33
JGJonesBigRedS, if you get the free tier - you basically get a free webhost for a year12:33
BigRedSthere's a free flavour of aws?12:36
shaunohttp://aws.amazon.com/free/  ?12:37
oimonanyone know if the roads will be ok to travel to the southwest on saturday, given that glasto is on?12:38
BigRedSOh. awesome12:38
BigRedSI've a battery of s3-interfering scripts that need testing :)12:38
shaunolooks like it's just a hook, but still12:38
PendulumAlanBell: hah. I'd never actually buy an Enzo in that colour12:42
dogmatic69bigcalm: os scripts? :)12:44
bigcalmdogmatic69: ?12:49
dogmatic69<BigRedS> I've a battery of s3-interfering scripts that need testing :)12:50
dogmatic69^ are they open source?12:50
bigcalmdogmatic69: I'm not BigRedS :)12:50
dogmatic69lol12:50
dogmatic69auto complete has failed me :/12:50
bigcalmIt does for most12:50
BigRedSdogmatic69: well, they're not particularly closed13:16
BigRedSor complicated :)13:16
BigRedShttps://github.com/BigRedS/play/blob/master/to-s3.pl is the only currently-on-the-internet one I think13:17
dogmatic69BigRedS: you should check out s3cmd13:18
BigRedSdogmatic69: I've replaced a couple of uses of that script with it13:18
BigRedSbut it's ruby, so I distrust it :)13:18
dogmatic69hehe13:19
dogmatic69BigRedS: you prefer peal to bash?13:20
BigRedSyeah13:21
BigRedSI get bash syntax wrong first time, every time13:21
BigRedSAnd, since perl's everywhere, there's little point writing even small scripts in bash when it requires so much more thinking than doing same in perl13:21
dogmatic69so pear is more wide spread than bash?13:22
dogmatic69or is it even13:22
oimonguys, i have a weird X problem, wondered if anyone has seen it..13:23
oimonwhen idle, the screen on my laptop has started to shift 100px left or 200px left, until i wiggle the mouse and stick it in the corner13:24
BigRedSit's about even IME. Anything unix-like has bash, and anything unix-like has perl13:24
oimonusing 10.04 btw13:24
BigRedSoimon: I had that aaaaages ago, but it fixed itself/was fixed in an update. I can empathise, but not actually help...13:25
oimononly happens for mrs oimon and not me13:25
dogmatic69oimon: i had that once, rebooted and was ok13:25
oimonshe gets it all the time, after a few mins idle, before screensaver kicks in13:25
oimoni press prtscrn for screenshot, but everything is OK13:26
dogmatic69mine was on desktop though13:26
dogmatic69and clicking where things should be worked, just the gfx was off if you know what i mean13:27
oimonyeah, it returns "wakes up" when i move the mouse, everything gets restored13:27
oimonwonder if it is somehow realted to the wallpaper she is using13:28
hooveroimon: cranky screen blanker maybe?13:29
oimonhoover: not sure..the screensaver is a slideshow13:29
oimonbut kicks in later13:29
oimonmysterious13:30
oimonanyone got any tips for buying laptop batteries on ebay?13:34
oimonobviously will only be buying a brand new one. wondering about genuine vs compatible13:34
BigRedSI've done it with no particular care a few times, and had no problems13:34
BigRedSAlways compatibles13:34
shaunoI'm not sure you can trust bash to be ubiquitous anymore.  I think it's slowly going to get phased out on a lot of bsds thanks to gplv313:34
JGJonesoimon, just to clarify - are you buying laptop batteries OR portable bombs/firestarters?13:34
oimonJGJones: the intention is to charge the laptop without burning th ehouse down or exploding13:35
JGJonesI've only bought 2 so far, no problem - they was as far as I could see genuine.13:36
oimonthere seems to be a lot of people advertising the batteries as genuine and NEW/unused...13:37
oimoni am mistrusting and cynical by nature though :P13:38
JGJonesobviously it goes without telling you go for those with highest number of positive ratings13:38
oimonyessir13:38
popeyoimon: http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/power_biz/13:38
popeyI have bought from them twice, good ebayer13:38
JGJonessome ebay shops does have their own websites - with an actual office etc13:38
JGJonespower_biz - I think they was the one I bought two batteries from in the past actually13:39
oimonthanks for the suggestions13:40
oimonwill aim for a genuine if i can do it at reasonable price13:40
oimonmy 3yr old laptop is holding 10 mins of charge13:40
oimonin future i will ignore any advice on prolonging battery lifetime13:41
BigRedSoimon: my experience of compatibles is that they're as good as I'd expect from a genuine13:41
BigRedSsometimes the colour's a bit off, though13:41
oimonBigRedS: in the past i've got compatibles for my canon cameras which have been a bit pathetic13:42
oimonlow lifetime13:42
BigRedSAh, these have all been for old IBM Thinkpads. I've had ~4h from a new battery, though I'm not sure I've ever actually kept using a battery for more than about a year, so it's possible they'd fall over there13:42
oimonyeah, they seem to lose 50% in a year (even the branded ones)13:43
* oimon senses a disturbance in the force13:44
JGJonessigh...have anyone managed to get a domain alias working for Google Apps for domains?14:07
JGJonesit never succeed for me - there's always a failure of some sort here or there, latest being a MX verification failure although can't see a problem with the DNS.14:08
czajkowskino popey the world must be coming to an end14:09
davmor2czajkowski: possibly getting his hire car towed away and replaced with another :(14:10
ali1234popey.com is down too14:11
ali1234oh it's back now14:11
shaunoheh, free rams?14:46
popeywell, my vps just went from 581 to 619MB after a reboot and a different kernel14:49
popeybut more ram to come !14:49
shaunoyou found a -xen one that doesn't have this mystery window?14:49
popeyLinux bishop.popey.com 2.6.32-316-ec2 #31-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 18 14:09:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux14:50
popey^^ that one14:50
shaunointeresting.  I was going to try grabbing a -xen one from debian, but if that works, may be tidier14:50
shaunoit can wait, since I'm only missing 15M :)  but good to know, since I should have a reboot coming up too14:51
gordhuh, some spam got past gmails filters... the matrix must be broke14:51
oimongord: must have been while popey was offline  :)14:52
shaunoit's not spam.  you don't know you want a russian bride yet, but google has studied your history and decided for you14:52
DJonesWhat would you do with a second russian bride though? Don't they already know from your credit card details that you've paid out recently for that14:55
JGJonesDJones, you can never have too many russian brides.14:59
AlanBellone wife is plenty15:00
shaunoI don't know many people who've genuinely deserved two15:01
Pendulumshauno: deserved or wanted?15:05
dwatkinspopey: if you have some time and the inclination to discuss it privately, I may be able to help with your spam issue15:08
shaunoI left it at 'deserved' so I have an out ;)15:08
popeydwatkins: I'd rather it was public tbh :D15:11
popeyhence @adobe15:11
dwatkinspopey: understood :)15:11
popeythey asked for my address and I provided it15:11
dwatkinsoh excellent15:11
dwatkinsthey are pretty good at responding to tweets15:11
JGJonesmost companies are pretty good at responding to tweets as they're rather public.15:15
shaunoI tried that with my isp.  they told me someone would call me.  and that's the last I heard of that   hehe15:15
JGJonesI had a problem with Amazon AWS - you had to provide call a number to verify yourself so I tweeted them saying I couldn't do that.15:15
JGJonesand they skipped that step for me15:15
dwatkinsyeah, responding is one thing, how they respond is another.15:16
JGJonesdwatkins, yeah...although my issue was resolved, if I setup a new AWS account and get the telephone number again, then they haven't fixed the accessibility issue :)15:16
dwatkinsI was actually impressed with the reply I got from xbox live when I complained on twitter about my red-ring-of-death problem, didn't expect anything from them at-all, but got a link to a helpfyul knowledgebase article.15:16
gordi for one look forward to the day when all call centres are replaced with twitter accounts15:17
* dwatkins redirects gord to cotweet.com15:18
shaunobut then they'll just move all the twits to bangalore, and we'll be back to square one15:18
dwatkinstrick is to make your tweet only understandable to someone whose native language is English ;)15:18
shaunoheh15:19
shaunoor the other problem I get is dublin :/15:19
dwatkinsWhat's up with Dublin?15:19
gord@gordallott - Thank you for your interesting our product, have you tried turning it off and on again15:19
* AlanBell is just so tempted to make inappropriate jokes about dwatkins and the red-ring-of-death problem15:19
shaunotelling me it'll "be grand" isn't very reassuring when it's already broke15:19
dwatkinsAlanBell: heh15:19
dwatkinsYeah, it's all too easy to just reply with some generic and useless link to a KB article15:20
shaunothey're just too happy.  they don't seem to realise that losing my internet at 2am actually is an inconvenience.  that's prime-time for me15:20
popeyheheh15:22
popeythe bloke I got at apple support was in dublin15:22
popeyhe was very jovial15:22
shaunoI think they're in cork15:22
shaunothey have their own little planet going on down there  lol15:23
popeyyeah, quite friendly15:25
popeyApple Support++15:25
shaunoI've only had to talk to them once.  got 200eur out of the convo, so can't complain15:25
popeyI got free support for something I'd broken15:26
shaunontl really are the only ones that bug me.  my bank are based in dublin too, and seem to be slightly more paranoid about my account than I am, which is healthy15:27
shaunothey haven't figured out that I'm timezone-impaired, so I only get sms at 4am.  other than that, they're fine15:28
dwatkinsHow come you only get SMS at 4am, shauno? Are you in a Faraday-cage the rest of the time?15:28
shaunothey won't phone me at 4am15:29
shaunoeg, tryinb to buy my laptop half way thru the night was apparently suspicious.  so they blocked it, but wouldn't follow up until daybreak.  I just got an sms instead15:30
dwatkinsoh bah15:30
dwatkinsthe most annoying thing about that is that they probably have people in India too15:30
shaunoit was funny in retrospect.  I really should have realised that spending 2400 at 3-4am would look a little unusual15:31
* dwatkins notes he's been buying a lot of phone apps recently15:32
dwatkinsI guess it's cheaper than desktop ones15:32
shaunoI've been trying to cut back on that.  ever since they added a list to my iphone to show me how much dross I'd actually bought :/15:33
AlanBellpopey: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk15:37
popeyyay15:42
dwatkinsshould those of us not so actively helping join up too?15:43
AlanBellsure15:43
AlanBellI just changed the logo on it15:44
nigelbAlanBell: nice logo ;)15:47
gordhah, if you have large teams on launchpad (like u-uk), and list the members, it only shows X at a time, but then if you click a header to sort by say, date, it will only sort the currently showing members making the entire thing useless15:55
nigelbgord: yeah. It hit me the other day.15:58
davmor2http://www.youtube.com/v/bTi0A3BF0i4?version=3&autohide=1&autoplay=1 comedy gold :D15:58
* JGJones gives up on domain alias for google apps - if anyone want to try it, ensure you have more patience than a glacier and the ability to withstand errors that doesn't make sense.15:59
bigcalmWorked for me on 2 domains :)16:02
BigRedSthat seems to be a requirement of google apps in general16:02
BigRedSthough I suppose nobody ever goes and shouts about how stuff just worked16:02
JGJonesbigcalm - I kept getting the MX verification error - despite my domain MX records showing up even in Google's public DNS servers.16:02
bigcalmJGJones: if I had of had those errors, I might have been able to help you16:03
bigcalmBut, as I have not :S16:03
JGJonesafter 9 days I can't be arsed to put up with it and am going just to setup a separate google app account instead.16:03
BigRedShah. Right on cue I now can't log into this google apps doc thing16:30
dogmatic69what is the proper way to run a bash script?17:01
dogmatic69./path/to/script or . path/to/script17:01
bigcalmDepends where you are and what you're doing17:01
dogmatic69hmm17:01
bigcalmIf it's a file in the CWD: ./foo.sh17:01
bigcalmIf it's in a sub-path: a/b/c/foo.sh17:02
dogmatic69bigcalm: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/94015683417:02
bigcalm./ is optional17:02
davmor2dogmatic69: ./script or /moo/cow/script17:02
bigcalmdogmatic69: if it's to go in a cronjob, use the absolute path17:03
dogmatic69davmor2: thats the one, which is correct then, . path/to/script or just path/to/script17:03
TheOpenSourcererdogmatic69: Or you could do $ bash /path/to/script17:03
dogmatic69damn thing complaining about the then, and its copied from examples17:04
JGJonesanyone develop apps for android?17:04
bigcalmdogmatic69: you have a problem with Apache not running?17:04
dogmatic69bigcalm: no its running17:04
dogmatic69just want to make sure it stays running17:04
bigcalmWell, it should unless you're dicking around with the system :)17:05
davmor2dogmatic69: you only need the . if you are in the directory you are running it from ie I am in /moo/cow so I run ./script (which say this directory)  you can run /moo/cow/script from anywhere17:05
dogmatic69k17:05
dogmatic69bigcalm: yip17:05
dogmatic69Syntax error: "then" unexpected (expecting "}") is the best i can get :/17:06
bigcalmPersonally I wouldn't want a script to auto-restart Apache. I'd rather be informed that it had stopped then I would go and find out as to why and try to fix it from happening again17:06
dogmatic69that is the idea17:06
dogmatic69gonna write a email thing now17:07
bigcalmThere are services that offer that17:07
bigcalmBut, it's a good way to learn :)17:07
dogmatic69well that is the other idea too17:07
dogmatic69bashSkills++17:08
JGJonesIf anyone's interested...android dev wanted - http://twitter.com/#!/SignVideo/status/8280186982669516917:08
dogmatic69just cant do a simple if atm17:08
bigcalmJGJones: Ask Xalior in #lugradio17:10
JGJonesbigcalm, ta, will do17:10
davmor2is anyone else wishing they had gone back to bed this morning?17:48
bigcalmBit late for that now17:48
bigcalm12 mins left to the day17:48
davmor2bigcalm: I'm on till 8pm17:50
popeydavmor2: yes!17:54
davmor2just one of those days I think :(17:56
popeyyeah17:56
gordi'v had a surprisingly pleasant day :P18:05
ujjain"He wanted to rid the NHS of inbalances". "How are people going to get to hospital?"... is this a play on the word inbalances?18:24
dutchieyes, it sounds like "ambulances"18:25
ujjainoh lol!!18:25
MartijnVdSIt's called an impenetrable accent ;)18:26
ujjainhehehehe lol, that's pretty funny18:26
cbx33hey all19:11
cbx33my 11.04 has suddenly gotten much slower booting19:11
cbx33anyone think of a reason why19:11
dwatkinscbx33: nothing springs immediately to mind, but you might want to check your network settings, DHCP server, and run bootchart19:12
dwatkinsalso, filesystems mounted at start-up19:12
cbx33yeh none of that has changed19:12
cbx33so boot chart is going to be the only option I think19:12
dwatkinswell, it should show where the wait is, but you might also be able to see it in the boot.log19:12
* dwatkins checks he isn't talking nonsense19:13
dwatkinsI am, it's the output of dmesg or /ar/log/dmesg19:13
dwatkins(the file boot.log is used in SLES, not Ubuntu, I suspect)19:13
cbx33ahh yeh19:14
cbx33lemme see19:14
* dwatkins notes an 8-second gap in his between mounting the root filesystem and swap19:15
cbx33once I install bootchart do I just reboot then to see it?19:15
dwatkinsI honestly can't remember, the documentation should say how it works - it probably just processes the dmesg file.19:16
cbx33hehe19:16
czajkowskipopey: missing from over there --->19:35
* Mez starts trying not to suffer from manic laughter19:40
Mezanyone ever done an interview by video conference?19:45
davmor2czajkowski: No I see him must just be you, you popey hater you19:46
dwatkinsMez: I was offered the option, but chose to go to the office instead19:46
Mezdwatkins: I've got sometime in the next 2 weeks 5 interviews ... 2 will be face to face - 3 will be video conference.19:47
dwatkinsVideoconferencing saves loads of air-fares.19:47
Mezas the job is in Mountain View - yeah... just a little bit of air fares :D19:48
zleapMez, nice thats in california right19:49
Mezyup.19:50
dwatkinsI'd consider flying to California for an interview.19:50
Mezdwatkins: so would I - but I'd not be able to on my coin :)19:50
shaunoheh, that'd be nice.  they've still got summer left. we're fresh out19:50
dwatkinsMez: I'd expect for my travel and accomodation costs to be paid19:51
Mezdwatkins: yes. However, If you were a company - what'd you rather do - send someone 130 miles, or send someone 5000 miles?19:53
dwatkinsMez: depends how badly I wanted them, I guess, and how much of a recruitment budget I had19:54
Mez£2k vs £8019:55
dogmatic69_o/19:57
Mez+ accomodation19:58
kvarleyDoing "tar jcvf archive.tar.bz2 /home/kvarley/Documents/folder" makes a tar.bz2 file but it makes it with home/kvarley/Documents within it. How can I make it so it just puts the folder within it?20:03
jacobwevening20:09
ali1234kvarley: tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents/ -jcvf folder20:09
kvarleyali1234: Where do I put the name for my tar.bz2 in that line?20:11
ali1234oh in the same place20:12
ali1234the point is tar makes an archive relative to the current directory20:12
kvarleyah ok so you specify the directory it will be relative to...clever...thanks ali1234 =)20:12
kvarleyali1234: tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents/ -jcvf archive.tar.bz2 myFolderName <--- that doesn't seem to work =/20:14
Meztar -C /home/kvarley/Documents/myFolder -jcvf archive.tar.bz220:15
ali1234kvarley: it works for me20:16
ali1234Mez: that doesn't work though20:16
kvarleyMez: tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents -jcvf archive.tar.bz2 <--- That returns "tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive"20:16
ali1234kvarley: so what error did you get with mine?20:17
kvarleyali1234: The same20:17
ali1234then the folder doesn't exist or something20:18
kvarleyali1234: damnit...I'm such a noob lol20:18
ali1234http://paste.ubuntu.com/629987/20:18
kvarleyali1234: I had a space somewhere20:19
kvarleyali1234: tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents -jcvf archive.tar.bz2 python <--- That works =)20:19
ali1234python has a really nice tarfile support where you can add a file with any archive name you want20:20
ali1234not really relevant but i thought i would mention it anyway20:20
MezAlso - is it me - or do yanks think that everywhere in england is London?20:42
Azelphurit's not you :P20:46
fortissI'm running a web app on a ubuntu box and need a simple lock screen that acts like an iphone swipe to unlock lock screen. Its only to make sure if people were to brush up against it it wouldnt press buttons on the web app and that all buttons press on the web app are delibrate. It is a touchscreen with no KB. Any ideas?21:49
fortissthanks in advance for any help!21:50
popeybah21:51
jacobwuh wut?21:52
* popey stops /221:52
popeybah21:52
dwatkinsI guess we weren't quick enough for fortiss.21:59
gordit would be nice to have that kind of functionality though, or basically, a screen lock that doesn't require a password22:02
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Help Make Ensemble Rock: Formulas Needed - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/20/help-make-ensemble-rock-formulas-needed/22:03
ali1234argh ubuntu still behaves really weird if the disk gets full22:32
jacobwisn't that a property of unix in general?22:34
ali1234yeah i guess22:34
ali1234i mean it pops up warning when space is running low22:35
ali1234but it doesn't do anything when it hits 022:35
jacobwwhat could it do?22:35
ali1234i dunno, pop up another warning?22:35
ali1234or warn when free space = 50mb instead of when it = 8gb22:35
jacobwafter the ones you've ignored?22:36
ali1234i ignored it cos i still had 8gb free22:36
* jacobw is playing devils advocate22:36
jacobwtime for bed, night.22:36
=== AlanChicken is now known as AlanBell
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brobostigongood night everyone,sleep well.23:00
dwatkinsnn brobostigon23:01
brobostigongood night dwatkins23:01
* dwatkins makes a note not to assume people he doesn't understand aren't speaking English23:19

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