[08:23] <DJones> Morning all
[08:24] <shauno> howdy
[08:36] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:44] <AlanBell> morning
[08:44] <selinuxium> Morning AlanBell  o/
[08:45] <selinuxium> morning all   o/
[08:56] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:57] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo :)
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings (and other types)
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning TheOpenSourcerer :)
[09:15] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning :)
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> How are you brobostigon?
[09:15] <MooDoo> popey: hows the car?
[09:16] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: not so hot, my nose is really bad, and my hay fever is playing up, and i have alot to do today. and you?
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm OK in myself thanks. Quite a bit to do and have to run my son back and forth from the dentist.
[09:17] <brobostigon> good luck, dont wear self out.
[09:19] <bigcalm> Does said dentist use open molar?
[09:26] <AlanBell> there is also openERP dental
[09:26] <AlanBell> http://www.valuedecision.com/dental-openerp-project/
[09:28] <cbx33> Hey there peeps
[09:28] <cbx33> What do people generally use for video editing at the moment on ubuntu?
[09:29] <AlanBell> openshot
[09:29] <MooDoo> pitivi
[09:31] <cbx33> I used to be a Cinelerra kinga guy as it seemed to be the only one that was pretty full featured
[09:31] <brobostigon> blender
[09:31] <cbx33> brobostigon, hardcore!!!
[09:31] <popey> MooDoo: which one? :D
[09:31] <cbx33> pre 2.5?
[09:31] <MooDoo> popey: your hire car :)
[09:32] <cbx33> hey popey !
[09:32] <brobostigon> cbx33: the standard natty version,it hs took along time to learn.
[09:32] <cbx33> yeh I can imagine!
[09:32] <cbx33> I did look at the a while ago
[09:32] <cbx33> when I was doing the pr0g80X.vid vidcast
[09:32] <brobostigon> ah
[09:32] <AlanBell> brobostigon: got any examples of stuff you have done in blender?
[09:32] <brobostigon> AlanBell: let me dig,
[09:32] <oimon> is there any truth in the story that bitcoin is actually an AMD marketing ploy, and they wrote the software (to be 10x faster on inferior AMD cards), and injected tens of thousands of $ into the market to create the initial fake demand?
[09:33] <cbx33> http://blip.tv/pr0g80xvid/pr0g80x-vid-episode0-4-966912 - that was cinelerra with blender for the overlays
[09:34] <AlanBell> oimon: no
[09:34] <oimon> no thats cos i made it up. would be funny though
[09:34] <cbx33> oimon, good story though
[09:34] <popey> MooDoo: yeah, its fine
[09:35] <MooDoo> popey: obviously the 5 times you beeped wasn't enough, 6 and it would of been fine ;D
[09:35] <oimon> modern bumpers can withstand impact of up to 15 mph
[09:35] <oimon> as i discovered when some fool drove into the back of me at a roundabout
[09:36]  * MooDoo is a motorbike rider......
[09:36] <brobostigon> AlanBell: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1Rh/
[09:38] <popey> MooDoo: clearly
[09:38] <popey> MooDoo: I went a bit nuts
[09:39] <MooDoo> popey: not surprised, still get their details though?
[09:40] <bigcalm> Protective of your new mota
[09:40] <oimon> https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6#diff-1
[09:40] <popey> MooDoo: took a photo of their numberplate
[09:40] <popey> bigcalm: hire car
[09:40] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:40] <bigcalm> Ne-bother then ;)
[09:40] <oimon> i lol'd at the bumblebee fail, then saw the comments :)
[09:40] <popey> well, i dont want her claiming I hit her
[09:41] <bigcalm> popey: fair enough
[09:42] <bigcalm> I had an old man roll back into me. Lightest of touches I'm sure. My dad was with me and he seemed more peed off than I was
[09:42] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:43] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: what bike you got?
[09:43] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: suzuki bandit 600
[09:43] <dogmatic69> nice
[09:43]  * dogmatic69 has a rvf 400
[09:44] <dogmatic69> honda ^
[09:44] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: yes it's a bit of a change, my previous one was a kwak zx6 [had to sell it]
[09:44]  * TheOpenSourcerer used to have a BSA C15 SuperSport (about 25 yrs ago)
[09:45] <MooDoo> nice
[09:46] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: about 25 yrs ago i had a http://tinyurl.com/3qfdbvr
[09:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> My first bike was a Garelli something or other.
[10:09] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: ooh, you might know this, then - what's teh difference between the rvf and the vfr? It is basically the way-up-ness of the forks?
[10:15] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: rvf is newer, last production about 96' iirc
[10:15] <dogmatic69> rvf is nc35, vfr is nc29 and lower
[10:16] <dogmatic69> rvf had upsidown forks and single swing arm, it was also the first time a company took tech direct from moto gp to a road bike
[10:16] <dogmatic69> rvf was only ever released in japan so any one you get in any other country is a 'gray import'
[10:17] <dogmatic69> they are pretty much collectors status, can fetch 5k for a nice one
[10:19] <BigRedS> ahhh, so there's a bunch of subtleties, too
[10:20] <BigRedS> And, yeah, they do seem a bit more than a vfr :) I've a couple of mates after VFRs, keep stumbling across these mythical RVFs with funny-looking forks :)
[10:26] <selinuxium> BigRedS dogmatic69, I had a NC30 for years... Lovely bike... :)
[10:27] <MooDoo> i want a zx12 next, ooo look a flying pig :)
[10:28] <dogmatic69> selinuxium: nice
[10:28] <BigRedS> selinuxium: yeah, I'm getting more and more sold ona  vfr (800, though) through helping these guys find some
[10:28] <BigRedS> but I think I'd miss the comfort of the pan :) An ST1300 seems to be the logical choice for my next bike :)
[10:28] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: rvf > vfr
[10:28] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: well, you would say that :)
[10:29] <dogmatic69> nope, its a fact
[10:29] <BigRedS> haha
[10:29] <dogmatic69> newer bike, newer technology, faster, etc
[10:29] <selinuxium> BigRedS, dogmatic69: I have a Triumph Sprint 900 and a Kwac ZZR400 atm...
[10:29] <BigRedS> but, yeah, that's what I heard, I just couldn't find a list of what was better. And theyr'e a bunch more expensive than a same-condition-and-age vfr
[10:30] <dogmatic69> never been a fan of kawa, eventually im going to get a duke
[10:30] <selinuxium> dogmatic69, never been a fan of duke's... Rattly things...
[10:30] <selinuxium> :)
[10:31] <BigRedS> I've become such a honda fanboi...
[10:31] <selinuxium> Suzuki is my thing, but spent most my time on Honda..
[10:31] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: my uncle got one of these the a few months back http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00838/motoring-graphics-2_838553a.jpg
[10:32] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: oooh. Though my things is more, uh, 'boring' bikes
[10:32] <BigRedS> I've just ordered a bunch of bits for my CX :)
[10:33] <selinuxium> dogmatic69, Beautiful looking bike..
[10:34] <BigRedS> is that the blade or a 600?
[10:34] <selinuxium> Still want a TL100r or a Gixer 6/750/thou...
[10:34] <BigRedS> all bikes should have V engines
[10:37] <hoover> good morning
[10:38] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[10:38] <bigcalm> Good afternoon hoover
[10:48] <hoover> hey biggie
[10:53] <hoover> anyone heard of / evaluated nimbula?
[11:00] <daev> could someone please assist me with a small problem i'm having? I'm running 11.04 x86_64 but cpu doesn't flag long-mode.
[11:01] <popey> daev: whats the problem?
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <davmor2> popey: you need to get rid of all cars that should solve your issues dude, that or stop drawing targets on them :)
[11:02] <popey> clearly
[11:03]  * AlanBell prefers Pendulum's new car
[11:03] <AlanBell> https://foursquare.com/colona13/checkin/4dfe2c14fa7628b893eb49c5?s=SUFrnLR7ff39D4PmKZdDQHabazw
[11:03] <bigcalm> Is there a doctor in the house?
[11:03] <gord> i can pretend to be a doctor
[11:04] <popey> You can trust me, I'm a doctor.
[11:05] <bigcalm> Grandmother has had only fruit squash drinks (little of) and pain killer patches for several weeks now. Amazingly she is still alive. How long can the body really survive in such a state?
[11:05] <daev> popey, I'm running Ubuntu 11.04 x86_64 on an AMD Turion II. I now want to install a guest os on vbox but it's imforming me that the cpu doesn't support long-mode. I checked $uname -a and everything ok. I also checked $grep --color=always -iw lm /proc/cpuinfo and it doesn't flag 'long-mode' anywhere. is there a way of getting vbox to recognise it's 64bit capable?
[11:05] <davmor2> popey: that line reminds me of Sledgehammer "Trust me I know what I'm doing!"
[11:06] <DJones> popey: Thats what Harold Shipman said isn't it
[11:06] <AlanBell> daev: yes, you need to tell it the OS you are installing is ubuntu 64 bit
[11:07] <danfish> bigcalm: the quack has arrived :)
[11:07] <czajkowski> bigcalm: some of those drinks contrain all the nutrients a person needs
[11:07]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[11:08] <czajkowski> meh
[11:08] <daev> AlanBell, do you know how i can tell it? Is it a setting inside vbox that will virtualise a 64bit cpu?
[11:09] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski davmor2 my fave people :D
[11:09] <AlanBell> daev: when you create a new VM it asks you what OS type you want to install
[11:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: Creep!
[11:09] <AlanBell> you want linux, and "Ubuntu (64 bit)"
[11:09] <daev> AlanBell, that's amazing. I can't believe i've overlooked this. I will check now, uno momento
[11:10] <AlanBell> if something has gone wrong then you might not see all the 64 bit options - have come across this, don't know what causes it
[11:11] <oimon> lol @ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/advice/8582895/What-can-replace-an-Amstrad-E-miler.html
[11:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski no i'm no creep, i just love you both #spreadthelove ;)
[11:12] <MooDoo> lol
[11:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: I repeat "Creep!" ;)  Morning dude good to see you in a good mood on a monday not like some mardy people looking at no one in particular czajkowski  :D
[11:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: i've had lots of coffee, i'll be on the normal downer this afternoon, and the lovely czajkowski isn't grumpy she's just overworked and needs a good old pamper :)
[11:15]  * MooDoo shakes his head
[11:16] <daev> AlanBell, thanks. It seems that was my problem all along. I didn't check I'd selected to virtualise a 64bit os. I do have a new problem now. Vbox has informed me that AMD-V is enabled but not operational. It wants me to check in BIOS but i know i don't have that option and that it's always enabled by default. Any ideas
[11:17] <AlanBell> dunno, I don't have AMD
[11:17] <daev> k cheers
[11:17] <dogmatic69> what is the crontab to run every 30 min? 30 * * * * *
[11:18] <bigcalm> 0,30
[11:18] <bigcalm> 30 will just run at 30 mins past the hour
[11:19] <dogmatic69> so 0,30 * * * * sudo ~/backup >> ~/backup.log
[11:19] <bigcalm> You might be better off using absolute paths in cronjobs
[11:20] <dogmatic69> kk
[11:21] <dogmatic69> and the time was good for every 30 min?
[11:21] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:21] <bigcalm> Well
[11:21] <dogmatic69> will that be at x:00 and x:30
[11:21] <bigcalm> Try it with something that won't blow up in your face
[11:21] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:22] <popey> also
[11:22] <popey> 12/30 * * * * ...
[11:22] <popey> actually forget that :D
[11:22] <dogmatic69> what is that?
[11:24] <dogmatic69> so what whould it be for every hour?
[11:24] <dogmatic69> 0 0,1 * * * ...
[11:24] <X3N_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron#Examples
[11:24] <oimon> often i receive word .docs which are forms i need to fill in. when opened in openoffice, the user entry areas have dark grey backgroundd - anyone know how to remove it?
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: every hour = 0 * * * * ("the 0th minute of every hour")
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: man 5 crontab
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: it has lots of examples
[11:26] <dogmatic69> 0 0/1 * * * according to wiki
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: no..
[11:26] <daubers> Morning
[11:26] <dogmatic69> :/
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: 0 * * * * = on the 0th minute, of every (*) hour of every (*) day of every (*) month, do this
[11:27] <dogmatic69> k
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: man 5 crontab, really.
[11:27]  * dogmatic69 is
[11:42] <hoover> do you need medical assistance, biggie?
[11:42]  * hoover is late to the party, as usual 8-P 
[11:43] <daubers> Nokia N8's are rubbish. Can't setup an email account unless it's with one of the big 4 providers
[11:43] <BigRedS> that seems astoundingly dumb
[11:44] <popey> daubers: it doesnt do imap?
[11:45] <daubers> popey: it doesn't let you tell it to do imap. If the domain doesn't end in gmail.com, hotmail.com, ovi.com or yahoo.com it assumes you want mail for exchange and only give syou options for that
[11:45] <popey> hahaha
[11:45] <popey> Who makes this phone again?
[11:45] <daubers> Nokia
[11:45] <popey> Who?
[11:45] <popey> etc
[11:45] <daubers> :p
[11:45] <daubers> Luckily I've not paid for it. It's a loan from the bottom of someones drawer after my palm exploded :(
[11:46] <BigRedS> ovi.com is one of the "big four"?
[11:46] <daubers> BigRedS: It's nokias service, so it _must_ be!
[11:46] <shauno> I think ovi is nokia's.  so they think/pretend it is
[11:46] <popey> http://discussions.nokia.co.uk/t5/Messaging-Email-and-Browsing/N8-E-Mail-Imap-Setup-Impossible/m-p/781664#M29270
[11:46] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[11:46] <daubers> popey: yeah, just read that. I've tried all those things and can't get to the "Other" option
[11:46] <popey> suggests it is possible
[11:47] <bigcalm> hoover: not me :)
[11:47] <daubers> Pile of poo :) Might just have to put up with no email for a week and a bit until I get my galaxy
[11:48] <bigcalm> Hotmail via exchange has stopped working on Hayley's Wildfire, most irritating
[11:48] <popey> golly, the podcast is going to hit 1.5 million downloads soon
[11:48] <MartijnVdS> cool
[11:49] <daubers> popey: if you had a pound for every podcast downloaded, this time next week you'd be millionaires!
[11:49] <popey> heh
[11:49] <popey> wonder how many downloads we'd get at 1GBP/download/ep
[11:49] <popey> very feww I'd imagine
[11:50] <daubers> Youd probably get more with 0.50GBP/download/ep
[11:50] <daubers> And still have 750k to show for it by now :p
[11:52] <dogmatic69> what is the best way to backup mysql without using a pw? or having the pw in all sorts of bash files
[11:52] <dogmatic69> currently i got http://bin.cakephp.org/view/187050926
[11:53] <shauno> okay, when popey starts to show up on my non-linuxy mailing lists, I really start to wonder if I'm seeing things.  he's everywhere!
[11:54] <daubers> shauno: All your email are belong to popey?
[11:55] <popey> shauno: bbc backstage?
[11:55] <shauno> ja
[11:55] <popey> :D
[11:56] <popey> been on it agaes
[11:56] <popey> *ages
[11:56] <shauno> I seriously thought my filters had broken at first.  popey doesn't belong in this folder!
[11:56] <popey> heh
[11:57]  * AlanBell contemplates fibre
[11:57] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: is there anything wrong with that? Looks reasonable
[11:57] <jpds> AlanBell: Nothing like a good cereal to start the day.
[11:58] <popey> \o/ fibre
[11:58] <Laney> backstage is closed?
[11:59] <popey> nope
[12:00] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: having the pw in the bash file
[12:00] <BigRedS> well, it needs to be somewhere
[12:00] <BigRedS> or you have an account with no password
[12:00] <shauno> I think they tried/threatened, but did a really bad job of burying it
[12:01] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: the aws ubuntu images dont need a pw
[12:01] <BigRedS> but sticking it in a file only readable by root is probably better than a user with no password
[12:01] <dogmatic69> you can just sudo and do what ever
[12:01] <BigRedS> Ah, they're probably just accounts with no password, then. Or something voodoo based...
[12:02] <dogmatic69> ye its has something in suder or what ever it is
[12:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Choosing a CMS - http://zrmt.com/2011/06/16/choosing-a-cms/
[12:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Birmigham and Solihull Rugby [Sponsorship Opportunity] - http://zrmt.com/2011/06/17/birmigham-and-solihull-rugby-sponsorship-opportunity/
[12:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] The laptop I want, 2011 edition - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/06/20/the-laptop-i-want-2011-edition
[12:03] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: sudo?
[12:03] <BigRedS> then it's likely to be a passworded account, just with the password in a file that only root can read
[12:03] <BigRedS> like debian-sys-maint
[12:03] <dogmatic69> ye, the file that manages sudo
[12:04] <dogmatic69> no
[12:04] <BigRedS> but I thought that didn't have the privileges to back things uop
[12:05] <dogmatic69> ubuntu  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[12:06] <jpds> Oh secure.
[12:07] <shauno> heh, the 'red carpet' approach ;)
[12:08] <dogmatic69> ye
[12:08] <dogmatic69> this is amazons idea
[12:09] <BigRedS> aren't they sort-of disposable instances, though?
[12:09] <BigRedS> bring up, run task, destroy
[12:09] <dogmatic69> for some people
[12:09] <BigRedS> oh, I thought that was the ubiquitous use-case
[12:10] <dogmatic69> we use it for normal hosting type stuff
[12:32] <BigRedS> Ah, perhaps amazon just assume it's more ephermal than that
[12:33] <BigRedS> or they can't be arsed to field questions from people not used to privilege separation
[12:33] <JGJones> BigRedS, if you get the free tier - you basically get a free webhost for a year
[12:36] <BigRedS> there's a free flavour of aws?
[12:37] <shauno> http://aws.amazon.com/free/  ?
[12:38] <oimon> anyone know if the roads will be ok to travel to the southwest on saturday, given that glasto is on?
[12:38] <BigRedS> Oh. awesome
[12:38] <BigRedS> I've a battery of s3-interfering scripts that need testing :)
[12:38] <shauno> looks like it's just a hook, but still
[12:42] <Pendulum> AlanBell: hah. I'd never actually buy an Enzo in that colour
[12:44] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: os scripts? :)
[12:49] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: ?
 I've a battery of s3-interfering scripts that need testing :)
[12:50] <dogmatic69> ^ are they open source?
[12:50] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: I'm not BigRedS :)
[12:50] <dogmatic69> lol
[12:50] <dogmatic69> auto complete has failed me :/
[12:50] <bigcalm> It does for most
[13:16] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: well, they're not particularly closed
[13:16] <BigRedS> or complicated :)
[13:17] <BigRedS> https://github.com/BigRedS/play/blob/master/to-s3.pl is the only currently-on-the-internet one I think
[13:18] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: you should check out s3cmd
[13:18] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: I've replaced a couple of uses of that script with it
[13:18] <BigRedS> but it's ruby, so I distrust it :)
[13:19] <dogmatic69> hehe
[13:20] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: you prefer peal to bash?
[13:21] <BigRedS> yeah
[13:21] <BigRedS> I get bash syntax wrong first time, every time
[13:21] <BigRedS> And, since perl's everywhere, there's little point writing even small scripts in bash when it requires so much more thinking than doing same in perl
[13:22] <dogmatic69> so pear is more wide spread than bash?
[13:22] <dogmatic69> or is it even
[13:23] <oimon> guys, i have a weird X problem, wondered if anyone has seen it..
[13:24] <oimon> when idle, the screen on my laptop has started to shift 100px left or 200px left, until i wiggle the mouse and stick it in the corner
[13:24] <BigRedS> it's about even IME. Anything unix-like has bash, and anything unix-like has perl
[13:24] <oimon> using 10.04 btw
[13:25] <BigRedS> oimon: I had that aaaaages ago, but it fixed itself/was fixed in an update. I can empathise, but not actually help...
[13:25] <oimon> only happens for mrs oimon and not me
[13:25] <dogmatic69> oimon: i had that once, rebooted and was ok
[13:25] <oimon> she gets it all the time, after a few mins idle, before screensaver kicks in
[13:26] <oimon> i press prtscrn for screenshot, but everything is OK
[13:26] <dogmatic69> mine was on desktop though
[13:27] <dogmatic69> and clicking where things should be worked, just the gfx was off if you know what i mean
[13:27] <oimon> yeah, it returns "wakes up" when i move the mouse, everything gets restored
[13:28] <oimon> wonder if it is somehow realted to the wallpaper she is using
[13:29] <hoover> oimon: cranky screen blanker maybe?
[13:29] <oimon> hoover: not sure..the screensaver is a slideshow
[13:29] <oimon> but kicks in later
[13:30] <oimon> mysterious
[13:34] <oimon> anyone got any tips for buying laptop batteries on ebay?
[13:34] <oimon> obviously will only be buying a brand new one. wondering about genuine vs compatible
[13:34] <BigRedS> I've done it with no particular care a few times, and had no problems
[13:34] <BigRedS> Always compatibles
[13:34] <shauno> I'm not sure you can trust bash to be ubiquitous anymore.  I think it's slowly going to get phased out on a lot of bsds thanks to gplv3
[13:34] <JGJones> oimon, just to clarify - are you buying laptop batteries OR portable bombs/firestarters?
[13:35] <oimon> JGJones: the intention is to charge the laptop without burning th ehouse down or exploding
[13:36] <JGJones> I've only bought 2 so far, no problem - they was as far as I could see genuine.
[13:37] <oimon> there seems to be a lot of people advertising the batteries as genuine and NEW/unused...
[13:38] <oimon> i am mistrusting and cynical by nature though :P
[13:38] <JGJones> obviously it goes without telling you go for those with highest number of positive ratings
[13:38] <oimon> yessir
[13:38] <popey> oimon: http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/power_biz/
[13:38] <popey> I have bought from them twice, good ebayer
[13:38] <JGJones> some ebay shops does have their own websites - with an actual office etc
[13:39] <JGJones> power_biz - I think they was the one I bought two batteries from in the past actually
[13:40] <oimon> thanks for the suggestions
[13:40] <oimon> will aim for a genuine if i can do it at reasonable price
[13:40] <oimon> my 3yr old laptop is holding 10 mins of charge
[13:41] <oimon> in future i will ignore any advice on prolonging battery lifetime
[13:41] <BigRedS> oimon: my experience of compatibles is that they're as good as I'd expect from a genuine
[13:41] <BigRedS> sometimes the colour's a bit off, though
[13:42] <oimon> BigRedS: in the past i've got compatibles for my canon cameras which have been a bit pathetic
[13:42] <oimon> low lifetime
[13:42] <BigRedS> Ah, these have all been for old IBM Thinkpads. I've had ~4h from a new battery, though I'm not sure I've ever actually kept using a battery for more than about a year, so it's possible they'd fall over there
[13:43] <oimon> yeah, they seem to lose 50% in a year (even the branded ones)
[13:44]  * oimon senses a disturbance in the force
[14:07] <JGJones> sigh...have anyone managed to get a domain alias working for Google Apps for domains?
[14:08] <JGJones> it never succeed for me - there's always a failure of some sort here or there, latest being a MX verification failure although can't see a problem with the DNS.
[14:09] <czajkowski> no popey the world must be coming to an end
[14:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: possibly getting his hire car towed away and replaced with another :(
[14:11] <ali1234> popey.com is down too
[14:11] <ali1234> oh it's back now
[14:46] <shauno> heh, free rams?
[14:49] <popey> well, my vps just went from 581 to 619MB after a reboot and a different kernel
[14:49] <popey> but more ram to come !
[14:49] <shauno> you found a -xen one that doesn't have this mystery window?
[14:50] <popey> Linux bishop.popey.com 2.6.32-316-ec2 #31-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 18 14:09:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:50] <popey> ^^ that one
[14:50] <shauno> interesting.  I was going to try grabbing a -xen one from debian, but if that works, may be tidier
[14:51] <shauno> it can wait, since I'm only missing 15M :)  but good to know, since I should have a reboot coming up too
[14:51] <gord> huh, some spam got past gmails filters... the matrix must be broke
[14:52] <oimon> gord: must have been while popey was offline  :)
[14:52] <shauno> it's not spam.  you don't know you want a russian bride yet, but google has studied your history and decided for you
[14:55] <DJones> What would you do with a second russian bride though? Don't they already know from your credit card details that you've paid out recently for that
[14:59] <JGJones> DJones, you can never have too many russian brides.
[15:00] <AlanBell> one wife is plenty
[15:01] <shauno> I don't know many people who've genuinely deserved two
[15:05] <Pendulum> shauno: deserved or wanted?
[15:08] <dwatkins> popey: if you have some time and the inclination to discuss it privately, I may be able to help with your spam issue
[15:08] <shauno> I left it at 'deserved' so I have an out ;)
[15:11] <popey> dwatkins: I'd rather it was public tbh :D
[15:11] <popey> hence @adobe
[15:11] <dwatkins> popey: understood :)
[15:11] <popey> they asked for my address and I provided it
[15:11] <dwatkins> oh excellent
[15:11] <dwatkins> they are pretty good at responding to tweets
[15:15] <JGJones> most companies are pretty good at responding to tweets as they're rather public.
[15:15] <shauno> I tried that with my isp.  they told me someone would call me.  and that's the last I heard of that   hehe
[15:15] <JGJones> I had a problem with Amazon AWS - you had to provide call a number to verify yourself so I tweeted them saying I couldn't do that.
[15:15] <JGJones> and they skipped that step for me
[15:16] <dwatkins> yeah, responding is one thing, how they respond is another.
[15:16] <JGJones> dwatkins, yeah...although my issue was resolved, if I setup a new AWS account and get the telephone number again, then they haven't fixed the accessibility issue :)
[15:16] <dwatkins> I was actually impressed with the reply I got from xbox live when I complained on twitter about my red-ring-of-death problem, didn't expect anything from them at-all, but got a link to a helpfyul knowledgebase article.
[15:17] <gord> i for one look forward to the day when all call centres are replaced with twitter accounts
[15:18]  * dwatkins redirects gord to cotweet.com
[15:18] <shauno> but then they'll just move all the twits to bangalore, and we'll be back to square one
[15:18] <dwatkins> trick is to make your tweet only understandable to someone whose native language is English ;)
[15:19] <shauno> heh
[15:19] <shauno> or the other problem I get is dublin :/
[15:19] <dwatkins> What's up with Dublin?
[15:19] <gord> @gordallott - Thank you for your interesting our product, have you tried turning it off and on again
[15:19]  * AlanBell is just so tempted to make inappropriate jokes about dwatkins and the red-ring-of-death problem
[15:19] <shauno> telling me it'll "be grand" isn't very reassuring when it's already broke
[15:19] <dwatkins> AlanBell: heh
[15:20] <dwatkins> Yeah, it's all too easy to just reply with some generic and useless link to a KB article
[15:20] <shauno> they're just too happy.  they don't seem to realise that losing my internet at 2am actually is an inconvenience.  that's prime-time for me
[15:22] <popey> heheh
[15:22] <popey> the bloke I got at apple support was in dublin
[15:22] <popey> he was very jovial
[15:22] <shauno> I think they're in cork
[15:23] <shauno> they have their own little planet going on down there  lol
[15:25] <popey> yeah, quite friendly
[15:25] <popey> Apple Support++
[15:25] <shauno> I've only had to talk to them once.  got 200eur out of the convo, so can't complain
[15:26] <popey> I got free support for something I'd broken
[15:27] <shauno> ntl really are the only ones that bug me.  my bank are based in dublin too, and seem to be slightly more paranoid about my account than I am, which is healthy
[15:28] <shauno> they haven't figured out that I'm timezone-impaired, so I only get sms at 4am.  other than that, they're fine
[15:28] <dwatkins> How come you only get SMS at 4am, shauno? Are you in a Faraday-cage the rest of the time?
[15:29] <shauno> they won't phone me at 4am
[15:30] <shauno> eg, tryinb to buy my laptop half way thru the night was apparently suspicious.  so they blocked it, but wouldn't follow up until daybreak.  I just got an sms instead
[15:30] <dwatkins> oh bah
[15:30] <dwatkins> the most annoying thing about that is that they probably have people in India too
[15:31] <shauno> it was funny in retrospect.  I really should have realised that spending 2400 at 3-4am would look a little unusual
[15:32]  * dwatkins notes he's been buying a lot of phone apps recently
[15:32] <dwatkins> I guess it's cheaper than desktop ones
[15:33] <shauno> I've been trying to cut back on that.  ever since they added a list to my iphone to show me how much dross I'd actually bought :/
[15:37] <AlanBell> popey: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk
[15:42] <popey> yay
[15:43] <dwatkins> should those of us not so actively helping join up too?
[15:43] <AlanBell> sure
[15:44] <AlanBell> I just changed the logo on it
[15:47] <nigelb> AlanBell: nice logo ;)
[15:55] <gord> hah, if you have large teams on launchpad (like u-uk), and list the members, it only shows X at a time, but then if you click a header to sort by say, date, it will only sort the currently showing members making the entire thing useless
[15:58] <nigelb> gord: yeah. It hit me the other day.
[15:58] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/v/bTi0A3BF0i4?version=3&autohide=1&autoplay=1 comedy gold :D
[15:59]  * JGJones gives up on domain alias for google apps - if anyone want to try it, ensure you have more patience than a glacier and the ability to withstand errors that doesn't make sense.
[16:02] <bigcalm> Worked for me on 2 domains :)
[16:02] <BigRedS> that seems to be a requirement of google apps in general
[16:02] <BigRedS> though I suppose nobody ever goes and shouts about how stuff just worked
[16:02] <JGJones> bigcalm - I kept getting the MX verification error - despite my domain MX records showing up even in Google's public DNS servers.
[16:03] <bigcalm> JGJones: if I had of had those errors, I might have been able to help you
[16:03] <bigcalm> But, as I have not :S
[16:03] <JGJones> after 9 days I can't be arsed to put up with it and am going just to setup a separate google app account instead.
[16:30] <BigRedS> hah. Right on cue I now can't log into this google apps doc thing
[17:01] <dogmatic69> what is the proper way to run a bash script?
[17:01] <dogmatic69> ./path/to/script or . path/to/script
[17:01] <bigcalm> Depends where you are and what you're doing
[17:01] <dogmatic69> hmm
[17:01] <bigcalm> If it's a file in the CWD: ./foo.sh
[17:02] <bigcalm> If it's in a sub-path: a/b/c/foo.sh
[17:02] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: http://bin.cakephp.org/view/940156834
[17:02] <bigcalm> ./ is optional
[17:02] <davmor2> dogmatic69: ./script or /moo/cow/script
[17:03] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: if it's to go in a cronjob, use the absolute path
[17:03] <dogmatic69> davmor2: thats the one, which is correct then, . path/to/script or just path/to/script
[17:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69: Or you could do $ bash /path/to/script
[17:04] <dogmatic69> damn thing complaining about the then, and its copied from examples
[17:04] <JGJones> anyone develop apps for android?
[17:04] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: you have a problem with Apache not running?
[17:04] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: no its running
[17:04] <dogmatic69> just want to make sure it stays running
[17:05] <bigcalm> Well, it should unless you're dicking around with the system :)
[17:05] <davmor2> dogmatic69: you only need the . if you are in the directory you are running it from ie I am in /moo/cow so I run ./script (which say this directory)  you can run /moo/cow/script from anywhere
[17:05] <dogmatic69> k
[17:05] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: yip
[17:06] <dogmatic69> Syntax error: "then" unexpected (expecting "}") is the best i can get :/
[17:06] <bigcalm> Personally I wouldn't want a script to auto-restart Apache. I'd rather be informed that it had stopped then I would go and find out as to why and try to fix it from happening again
[17:06] <dogmatic69> that is the idea
[17:07] <dogmatic69> gonna write a email thing now
[17:07] <bigcalm> There are services that offer that
[17:07] <bigcalm> But, it's a good way to learn :)
[17:07] <dogmatic69> well that is the other idea too
[17:08] <dogmatic69> bashSkills++
[17:08] <JGJones> If anyone's interested...android dev wanted - http://twitter.com/#!/SignVideo/status/82801869826695169
[17:08] <dogmatic69> just cant do a simple if atm
[17:10] <bigcalm> JGJones: Ask Xalior in #lugradio
[17:10] <JGJones> bigcalm, ta, will do
[17:48] <davmor2> is anyone else wishing they had gone back to bed this morning?
[17:48] <bigcalm> Bit late for that now
[17:48] <bigcalm> 12 mins left to the day
[17:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'm on till 8pm
[17:54] <popey> davmor2: yes!
[17:56] <davmor2> just one of those days I think :(
[17:56] <popey> yeah
[18:05] <gord> i'v had a surprisingly pleasant day :P
[18:24] <ujjain> "He wanted to rid the NHS of inbalances". "How are people going to get to hospital?"... is this a play on the word inbalances?
[18:25] <dutchie> yes, it sounds like "ambulances"
[18:25] <ujjain> oh lol!!
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> It's called an impenetrable accent ;)
[18:26] <ujjain> hehehehe lol, that's pretty funny
[19:11] <cbx33> hey all
[19:11] <cbx33> my 11.04 has suddenly gotten much slower booting
[19:11] <cbx33> anyone think of a reason why
[19:12] <dwatkins> cbx33: nothing springs immediately to mind, but you might want to check your network settings, DHCP server, and run bootchart
[19:12] <dwatkins> also, filesystems mounted at start-up
[19:12] <cbx33> yeh none of that has changed
[19:12] <cbx33> so boot chart is going to be the only option I think
[19:12] <dwatkins> well, it should show where the wait is, but you might also be able to see it in the boot.log
[19:13]  * dwatkins checks he isn't talking nonsense
[19:13] <dwatkins> I am, it's the output of dmesg or /ar/log/dmesg
[19:13] <dwatkins> (the file boot.log is used in SLES, not Ubuntu, I suspect)
[19:14] <cbx33> ahh yeh
[19:14] <cbx33> lemme see
[19:15]  * dwatkins notes an 8-second gap in his between mounting the root filesystem and swap
[19:15] <cbx33> once I install bootchart do I just reboot then to see it?
[19:16] <dwatkins> I honestly can't remember, the documentation should say how it works - it probably just processes the dmesg file.
[19:16] <cbx33> hehe
[19:35] <czajkowski> popey: missing from over there --->
[19:40]  * Mez starts trying not to suffer from manic laughter
[19:45] <Mez> anyone ever done an interview by video conference?
[19:46] <davmor2> czajkowski: No I see him must just be you, you popey hater you
[19:46] <dwatkins> Mez: I was offered the option, but chose to go to the office instead
[19:47] <Mez> dwatkins: I've got sometime in the next 2 weeks 5 interviews ... 2 will be face to face - 3 will be video conference.
[19:47] <dwatkins> Videoconferencing saves loads of air-fares.
[19:48] <Mez> as the job is in Mountain View - yeah... just a little bit of air fares :D
[19:49] <zleap> Mez, nice thats in california right
[19:50] <Mez> yup.
[19:50] <dwatkins> I'd consider flying to California for an interview.
[19:50] <Mez> dwatkins: so would I - but I'd not be able to on my coin :)
[19:50] <shauno> heh, that'd be nice.  they've still got summer left. we're fresh out
[19:51] <dwatkins> Mez: I'd expect for my travel and accomodation costs to be paid
[19:53] <Mez> dwatkins: yes. However, If you were a company - what'd you rather do - send someone 130 miles, or send someone 5000 miles?
[19:54] <dwatkins> Mez: depends how badly I wanted them, I guess, and how much of a recruitment budget I had
[19:55] <Mez> £2k vs £80
[19:57] <dogmatic69_> o/
[19:58] <Mez> + accomodation
[20:03] <kvarley> Doing "tar jcvf archive.tar.bz2 /home/kvarley/Documents/folder" makes a tar.bz2 file but it makes it with home/kvarley/Documents within it. How can I make it so it just puts the folder within it?
[20:09] <jacobw> evening
[20:09] <ali1234> kvarley: tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents/ -jcvf folder
[20:11] <kvarley> ali1234: Where do I put the name for my tar.bz2 in that line?
[20:12] <ali1234> oh in the same place
[20:12] <ali1234> the point is tar makes an archive relative to the current directory
[20:12] <kvarley> ah ok so you specify the directory it will be relative to...clever...thanks ali1234 =)
[20:14] <kvarley> ali1234: tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents/ -jcvf archive.tar.bz2 myFolderName <--- that doesn't seem to work =/
[20:15] <Mez> tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents/myFolder -jcvf archive.tar.bz2
[20:16] <ali1234> kvarley: it works for me
[20:16] <ali1234> Mez: that doesn't work though
[20:16] <kvarley> Mez: tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents -jcvf archive.tar.bz2 <--- That returns "tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive"
[20:17] <ali1234> kvarley: so what error did you get with mine?
[20:17] <kvarley> ali1234: The same
[20:18] <ali1234> then the folder doesn't exist or something
[20:18] <kvarley> ali1234: damnit...I'm such a noob lol
[20:18] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/629987/
[20:19] <kvarley> ali1234: I had a space somewhere
[20:19] <kvarley> ali1234: tar -C /home/kvarley/Documents -jcvf archive.tar.bz2 python <--- That works =)
[20:20] <ali1234> python has a really nice tarfile support where you can add a file with any archive name you want
[20:20] <ali1234> not really relevant but i thought i would mention it anyway
[20:42] <Mez> Also - is it me - or do yanks think that everywhere in england is London?
[20:46] <Azelphur> it's not you :P
[21:49] <fortiss> I'm running a web app on a ubuntu box and need a simple lock screen that acts like an iphone swipe to unlock lock screen. Its only to make sure if people were to brush up against it it wouldnt press buttons on the web app and that all buttons press on the web app are delibrate. It is a touchscreen with no KB. Any ideas?
[21:50] <fortiss> thanks in advance for any help!
[21:51] <popey> bah
[21:52] <jacobw> uh wut?
[21:52]  * popey stops /2
[21:52] <popey> bah
[21:59] <dwatkins> I guess we weren't quick enough for fortiss.
[22:02] <gord> it would be nice to have that kind of functionality though, or basically, a screen lock that doesn't require a password
[22:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Help Make Ensemble Rock: Formulas Needed - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/20/help-make-ensemble-rock-formulas-needed/
[22:32] <ali1234> argh ubuntu still behaves really weird if the disk gets full
[22:34] <jacobw> isn't that a property of unix in general?
[22:34] <ali1234> yeah i guess
[22:35] <ali1234> i mean it pops up warning when space is running low
[22:35] <ali1234> but it doesn't do anything when it hits 0
[22:35] <jacobw> what could it do?
[22:35] <ali1234> i dunno, pop up another warning?
[22:35] <ali1234> or warn when free space = 50mb instead of when it = 8gb
[22:36] <jacobw> after the ones you've ignored?
[22:36] <ali1234> i ignored it cos i still had 8gb free
[22:36]  * jacobw is playing devils advocate
[22:36] <jacobw> time for bed, night.
[23:00] <brobostigon> good night everyone,sleep well.
[23:01] <dwatkins> nn brobostigon
[23:01] <brobostigon> good night dwatkins
[23:19]  * dwatkins makes a note not to assume people he doesn't understand aren't speaking English