| _marx_ | can you say anything except Gnome? | 03:07 |
|---|---|---|
| _marx_ | maybe it is compiz and unity | 03:07 |
| _marx_ | but this machine was stable prior to 11.04 | 03:08 |
| _marx_ | can you say debian unstable | 03:08 |
| _marx_ | probably where i'm going; it is where i came from before ubuntu | 03:08 |
| _marx_ | i can use ubuntu and lxde or maybe even fvwm... | 03:10 |
| _marx_ | one of my despised catch phrases is "going forward" | 03:10 |
| _marx_ | going forward i do not see ubuntu being new user friendly | 03:11 |
| _marx_ | going forward i do not see ubuntu going forward | 03:12 |
| _marx_ | regression regression regurgitation | 03:13 |
| _marx_ | running debian unstable i expect crap | 03:13 |
| holstein | _marx_: i usually try kernels in both directions | 03:13 |
| _marx_ | way more than just a kernel version or two | 03:14 |
| holstein | yeah? | 03:15 |
| holstein | if the kernel from 10.10 was working well, try that one | 03:15 |
| holstein | that will rule out the kernel version | 03:15 |
| holstein | i mean, you dont have to like unity :) | 03:16 |
| _marx_ | i don't like it and realize i have choices; fvwm looks good | 03:16 |
| _marx_ | buttons on the wrong side was the first sign | 03:18 |
| _marx_ | if i wanted a freaking mac i'd go steal one; sure can't afford to buy one | 03:18 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio is moving to XFCE | 03:19 |
| holstein | and i think thats where im heading too | 03:20 |
| holstein | personally, i dont like gnome3 either | 03:20 |
| _marx_ | what i'm seeing of gnome i don't much like | 03:20 |
| _marx_ | ah | 03:20 |
| holstein | i think its great ubuntu has their own thing | 03:20 |
| holstein | i was a little sad to see just how similar unity and gnome3 are | 03:21 |
| holstein | but still, i think its great | 03:21 |
| holstein | im just not the target user for unity, and im OK with that | 03:21 |
| _marx_ | which i don't get how canonical will ever make any money on | 03:21 |
| _marx_ | flush corporate desktops down the drain? | 03:22 |
| holstein | eh.. i think its a good move in the direction of mass appeal | 03:23 |
| _marx_ | well i need to see virgin computer users opinion on that | 03:24 |
| _marx_ | would you want to roll out 100 desktops at your local ymca of unity? | 03:25 |
| _marx_ | poor sentence structure, miss price would make me write a better one on the blackboard | 03:26 |
| _marx_ | i didn't lose anything i was working on during that last freeze | 03:30 |
| _marx_ | if one is going to have freezes.... | 03:32 |
| holstein | well, i think its a good effort | 03:32 |
| holstein | i dont have a better solution | 03:32 |
| _marx_ | on common generic hardware | 03:32 |
| holstein | i mean, would you want to roll out a bunch of machine with gnome on them? | 03:33 |
| holstein | thats no better for the issue that ubuntu is addressing | 03:33 |
| holstein | does that issue need to be addressed?... thats another question | 03:33 |
| holstein | is it right? | 03:33 |
| holstein | probably not yet | 03:33 |
| holstein | but again, i think its a nice effort | 03:33 |
| _marx_ | sure ubuntu 10.04 suse, not opensuse, redhat, not fedora | 03:34 |
| _marx_ | centos | 03:34 |
| holstein | for what? | 03:34 |
| _marx_ | nice boring functional working desktops | 03:34 |
| holstein | the vigin user? | 03:34 |
| _marx_ | corportate | 03:35 |
| holstein | right, but i dont think unity is a corporate push | 03:35 |
| holstein | and thats probably OK | 03:35 |
| holstein | the IT guy can customize those with whatever works | 03:35 |
| _marx_ | k, but canonical is in that business too | 03:36 |
| _marx_ | it's worse than 6.06 | 03:37 |
| _marx_ | i don't have the testing hardware i used to have | 03:42 |
| _marx_ | five years ubuntu has been the best to hand out to windows users | 03:46 |
| _marx_ | i would not DARE do that with 11.04 | 03:46 |
| _marx_ | well i'll make my own and stop bitchin' | 03:49 |
| === milleja464 is now known as milleja46 | ||
| akgraner | can we stop using words like "virgin" for novice or new users and words like "bitchin" for complaining about stuff - it's not really polite or proper terms and it presents terms of exclusions | 16:55 |
| akgraner | thanks :-) | 16:55 |
| * milleja46 feels like he missed something o_O | 16:56 | |
| akgraner | and besides that it's a bit offensive... | 16:56 |
| akgraner | milleja46, I was just reading the scrollback | 16:57 |
| milleja46 | akgraner: ahh | 16:57 |
| * milleja46 uses ubuntu in a vm right now :D | 16:57 | |
| akgraner | milleja46, I have kubuntu in a VM but I use 11.04 with Unity as my regular machine | 16:58 |
| akgraner | it took a little getting used to but now I am lost without it | 16:58 |
| milleja46 | akgraner: i kinda like the unity sidebar | 16:58 |
| akgraner | I think but 12.04 (which is the next LTS) all the kinks with unity should be worked and the polish will be fully there | 16:59 |
| akgraner | I was against Unity at first now I love it | 16:59 |
| milleja46 | but i still use windows 7 because there are a few games i use windows for just because the anti cheat system prevents me from using wine to play on ubuntu :( | 17:00 |
| milleja46 | but that unity stuff looks pretty great | 17:01 |
| akgraner | I'll be reviewing a zorin PC that duel boots windows 7 and Linux from the start | 17:01 |
| akgraner | it's aimed at introducing windows users to linux | 17:01 |
| milleja46 | but as it stands i'm migrating to virtual box right now because of the fact vmware messed up with mageia | 17:02 |
| akgraner | ahhh | 17:02 |
| milleja46 | so i'm reinstalling ubuntu onto virtual box | 17:02 |
| akgraner | have fun... I need to finish a couple of articles so I'll be back in a bit...:-) | 17:03 |
| milleja46 | hmm, should i install the Fludendo stuff that it talks about in the install process?(vmware didn't show me the install process and i don't remember that last time i truly ran the install process) | 17:03 |
| * milleja46 just finished reinstalling ubuntu :D | 17:49 | |
| holstein | akgraner: you'll need to re-announce that when marx comes back | 17:56 |
| holstein | seems like that might be *if* marx comes back :/ | 17:56 |
| holstein | i cant believe how strong the opinions are about unity | 17:56 |
| holstein | i mean, its not for me, but ubuntu is making its own DE... in house | 17:57 |
| holstein | how awesome is that? | 17:57 |
| akgraner | they are very strong for for Unity and GNOME3 | 17:57 |
| holstein | neither are for me actually | 17:57 |
| milleja46 | holstein: i actually like it, i used ubuntu back when it didn't have this and i like it, but that's why there are all the different choices | 17:57 |
| akgraner | I thought I would hate Unity but now I love them...but I am a die hard GUI users | 17:57 |
| akgraner | for those who aren't I can see how they would want to role back to a different desktop | 17:58 |
| holstein | as long as the customizations that are planned make it in soon, i think its too awesome :) | 17:58 |
| holstein | *unity ^ | 17:58 |
| akgraner | and therein is the beauty of Linux | 17:58 |
| holstein | exactly | 17:58 |
| * milleja46 heads to install openshot | 17:59 | |
| holstein | milleja46: i just started using kden | 17:59 |
| holstein | i didnt try openshot, but pitivi was nice | 17:59 |
| holstein | i broke pitivi with a PPA, and decided to try kden | 18:00 |
| holstein | milleja46: have you used kden? | 18:00 |
| milleja46 | holstein: i've been looking at openshot just because of the fact i happened accross it when searching for a free video editor, and lightworks is too confusing | 18:00 |
| holstein | im interested in a first hand opinion of kden/openshot | 18:00 |
| milleja46 | never used kden | 18:01 |
| holstein | i'll have to try openshot | 18:01 |
| milleja46 | but openshot was supposed to have a windows version coming out which i have no idea what happened to it, so thank goodness for vm's | 18:02 |
| milleja46 | holstein: but if you're looking for a really advanced software i'd say lightworks don't know if the linux version has come out yet though | 18:03 |
| holstein | i actually got some work done with kden, so i think im going to roll with it | 18:03 |
| milleja46 | followed that one before it went free waiting for it to come free then realized it was too confusing, so openshot sounds like the next best thing | 18:04 |
| holstein | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKi69e5jeXA | 18:04 |
| milleja46 | wow, openshot sure has alot better effects than wmm | 18:08 |
| milleja46 | vlc also has a video editor: VLMC | 18:12 |
| holstein | milleja46: i just heard about that the other day | 18:15 |
| holstein | how is it? | 18:15 |
| milleja46 | holstein: never truly messed around with it either so far it is alpha at best | 18:16 |
| milleja46 | but it does work, just not on windows as well because of some features needing some work haven't tried on ubuntu yet | 18:17 |
| milleja46 | which reminds me i should install both | 18:20 |
| milleja46 | well finally found how to install vlmc on ubuntu :D | 19:08 |
| * milleja46 is now on his ubuntu vm ;D though aim refuses to work in it | 21:30 | |
| milleja46 | anyone know how to sign into aim on ubuntu? pidgin and empathy both don't work... | 21:40 |
| holstein | whats aim? | 21:56 |
| * Tracy_P laughs. | 21:57 | |
| milleja46 | holstein: aol instant messenger | 21:57 |
| holstein | how about the windows one in WINE? | 21:57 |
| milleja46 | holstein: wow...didn't think of that, though i'm really starting to get mad at miranda-im right about now XD | 21:59 |
| * milleja46 would actually like to be able to use pidgin or empathy doesn't understand no matter if he's on windows or ubuntu that pidgin doesn't allow him to sign in | 22:00 | |
| Tracy_P | Perhaps the AIM protocol has changed again and the client hasn't been updated. | 22:01 |
| milleja46 | Tracy_P: that's almost what i was starting to think | 22:01 |
| milleja46 | because it works fine in the client i use when i'm actually using windows and not in the vm for my ubuntu install | 22:01 |
| holstein | i would probably try to use http://cybione.org/~irssi-xmpp/ | 22:02 |
| holstein | since im in irssi | 22:02 |
| Tracy_P | Seems my Windows Pidgin version doesn't know, or I've forgotten my password. | 22:04 |
| milleja46 | pidgin doesn't like AIM on windows or ubuntu from what i've seen from me trying it myself | 22:04 |
| holstein | you cant just do AIM in the browser somewhere? | 22:04 |
| holstein | milleja46: cant you just talk those 2 remaining AOL contacts into moving ;) | 22:05 |
| milleja46 | holstein: funny thing is i can't login to the browser doesn't allow me to auth in that....which is very odd, i keep putting in the right crendentials and i've checked on the computer used to create the account ;) | 22:06 |
| milleja46 | holstein: well they might be in google talk or something like that but neither are on for me to ask | 22:06 |
| holstein | milleja46: if you cant do it in the browser, then i bet its the creds, not the client | 22:06 |
| holstein | milleja46: do you really have 2 contacts left over there?.. i was totally kidding | 22:07 |
| Tracy_P | apparently I don't have an AIM account anymore. | 22:08 |
| holstein | Tracy_P: congrats :) | 22:08 |
| holstein | i thought you were talking about something else... i just assumed it was shut down | 22:08 |
| milleja46 | holstein: well it works sign in on AOL on the host computer i used to make it and in a windows only client, but other clients and the aim.com website both don't allow me to sign in | 22:09 |
| milleja46 | holstein: funny thing is only 2 people is actually what it is, since they are the only 2 people i ever talk to frequently on anything other than irc | 22:10 |
| Tracy_P | That's how I would end up talking to my mom and dad if I were to talk to them online. I just pick up the cell phone and call them instead. | 22:11 |
| milleja46 | i really wish i knew what their google talk accounts were....aim is so annoying now | 22:13 |
| milleja46 | that's about the ONLY problem besides not being able to play some games(anti cheat system the company uses prevents it) i have with ubuntu | 22:21 |
| holstein | yeah... im on the fence though... maybe *not* supporting AOL is a feature ;) | 22:22 |
| * milleja46 plugs his ears too much bass from the car gooing by X( | 22:24 | |
| milleja46 | i just wish that sidebar with the applications would be hidden away even when you don't mouse over the icon or don't have a application open on screen | 22:26 |
| holstein | yeah... seems a little mystical what initiates the hiding | 22:29 |
| holstein | more customization options are on the way though | 22:29 |
| _marx_ | i liked never hiding better | 22:29 |
| _marx_ | especially if you have the close button on the left | 22:29 |
| milleja46 | _marx_: i'd rather have it there, but choose when it shows, especially only if you mouse over/click the button in the top left corner | 22:30 |
| milleja46 | though ubuntu seems to run really nicely in virtualbox :D | 22:35 |
| holstein | its nice and light i find | 22:35 |
| holstein | unity seems nice and light | 22:35 |
| milleja46 | well and it also looks better than the look before this version | 22:36 |
| holstein | in general, buntu seems to be slimming down a bit instead of bloating up | 22:36 |
| holstein | which is nice | 22:36 |
| holstein | milleja46: you find it more polished looking? | 22:36 |
| milleja46 | oh...yea | 22:36 |
| holstein | cool | 22:36 |
| milleja46 | i much perfer this look :D | 22:37 |
| milleja46 | i'm acutally looking somewhere in the future buying a cheap laptop and wiping it then put ubuntu on it, then get a keyboard and some way to connect it to internet and make a home server out of it and put ubuntu server on it | 22:39 |
| holstein | you dont *need* a laptop for a server | 22:40 |
| holstein | i run a headless box in the crawl space here at home | 22:40 |
| holstein | laptop hardware is generally quiet though | 22:41 |
| milleja46 | holstein: i typed that wrong....i meant for that part to say a unused desktop box | 22:41 |
| holstein | well, keep an eye out though | 22:41 |
| holstein | i had a laptop with a broken screen | 22:41 |
| holstein | ran that as a server for a while | 22:41 |
| holstein | handy really, and thats about all thats left to do with a machine like thta | 22:42 |
| holstein | that* | 22:42 |
| holstein | its not worth replacing the screen | 22:42 |
| milleja46 | i have two desktop boxes both unused but no keyboard(accidentally gave that to goodwill) or way to connect either to internet | 22:42 |
| milleja46 | one is a 98 box and the other a xp box | 22:43 |
| holstein | cool | 22:43 |
| holstein | that XP should have some pep to it | 22:43 |
| milleja46 | one i will use for a server if i ever do get the nesscary parts | 22:43 |
| holstein | i have a couple P4's | 22:43 |
| holstein | a 2.2? something like that | 22:43 |
| milleja46 | holstein: even with a crappy celeron processor? | 22:43 |
| holstein | im replacing that with a 3.2 or something like that | 22:43 |
| _marx_ | p4 dell dem 3000 in use here | 22:43 |
| milleja46 | (those celerons performed horribly with XP) | 22:43 |
| holstein | milleja46: sure | 22:43 |
| _marx_ | 500M ram wow ;) | 22:43 |
| holstein | its a server box | 22:44 |
| holstein | my last server was a P3 900 mhz with 512 ram | 22:44 |
| holstein | worked well | 22:44 |
| holstein | for me, the network speed at my house breaks down way before whatever box im running | 22:44 |
| holstein | it'll be nice to have that faster P4 though | 22:45 |
| milleja46 | i think the XP one has 1gb of ram, might add more to it | 22:45 |
| holstein | milleja46: that'll be really nice | 22:45 |
| milleja46 | if i figure out what the ram is | 22:45 |
| _marx_ | mine maxes at 2g just have bothered to look for more | 22:45 |
| * milleja46 is only 16 and already has this figured out and hopefully a home server will make my mom less needing of me to be tech support :P | 22:46 | |
| holstein | ive got 2gb's ready for the newer server :) | 22:46 |
| milleja46 | (just because i go to a school where i'm in the IT academy i suddenly become tech support in my family) | 22:48 |
| holstein | well, it might just end up being another box that she needs help with :/ | 22:48 |
| milleja46 | holstein: yea but at least she'll be able to print wirelessly | 22:49 |
| milleja46 | and i can set up a quassel core of my own, and a irc bot for a channel i plan on running soon as i can set up a server :P | 22:49 |
| holstein | having a CLI only box has really helped me learn | 22:50 |
| milleja46 | (and i want to use it to host some dev stuff i plan on doing) | 22:50 |
| === Mootbot-UK_ is now known as Mootbot-UK | ||
| * milleja46 has only one thing he can't stand about irc and it's netsplit :P | 22:50 | |
| holstein | eh... if it were AIM, you'd just get dropped ;p | 22:51 |
| milleja46 | holstein: yea true, i'm glad the two times i've seen it, i've been on the side that stays on :D | 22:51 |
| holstein | bunch of folks just left another channel | 22:52 |
| holstein | they think they are the ones that stayed | 22:52 |
| holstein | usually, if i wait around long enough, my bots come back from split | 22:53 |
| milleja46 | well i see it on another channel i'm on wonder if it happened on #blender or #mageia | 22:53 |
| _marx_ | milleja46: google up the specs and sometimes local shops have older used memory | 22:53 |
| _marx_ | like for the xp box | 22:53 |
| holstein | yup, theres a nice goodwill here and in charlotte | 22:53 |
| holstein | stacks of memory for $2-$8 | 22:54 |
| milleja46 | yea i accidently the keyboards i'm hopefully gonna buy a $7 one i saw at walmart | 22:54 |
| _marx_ | lxde runs okay on 512M ram | 22:54 |
| holstein | if you're looking in the right trash pile, you'll find a keyboard | 22:54 |
| milleja46 | what is the minimal amount ubuntu server requires to run anyway? | 22:54 |
| holstein | i took 3 off to the goodwill the other day | 22:55 |
| holstein | milleja46: something like 64? | 22:55 |
| holstein | something low | 22:55 |
| holstein | i have a CLI instance in Vbox with 128 | 22:55 |
| holstein | very useable | 22:55 |
| milleja46 | dang i wouldn't think that, i actually had it running in a vm the other day but accidentally deleted it | 22:55 |
| holstein | you want 10.04 for the server too | 22:56 |
| holstein | the LTS | 22:56 |
| holstein | nothing in the newer versions that you'll really need/want | 22:56 |
| milleja46 | holstein: well eventually when i learn more python i plan on using it as a game server :P | 22:57 |
| milleja46 | as well* | 22:57 |
| holstein | still, you're network will be the bottleneck | 22:57 |
| * milleja46 will hopefully move after HS and be able to use a better ISP windstream stinks | 22:58 | |
| _marx_ | hehe, yep i've used their dsl a few times | 22:59 |
| holstein | still, it would have to be some kind of network to outpace something with a gig of ram | 22:59 |
| holstein | and a normal hard drive | 22:59 |
| holstein | you'd probably be better served on a server with a commercial hard drive rather than memory | 23:00 |
| holstein | well, both ideally :) | 23:00 |
| milleja46 | the gig i will add onto, and see if there's a way to put another hdd in to extend it | 23:00 |
| milleja46 | bighmknh | 23:03 |
| milleja46 | ^that's what i get for leaving my laptop alone when my sis is around the house during the summer -_- | 23:05 |
| _marx_ | he, sister, mine was outnumbered 3:1 | 23:25 |
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