[00:00] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-June/000859.html [00:00] TOPIC - Any Other Business [00:00] Anything else to be discussed today? [00:01] I will get this written up and out via email. The wiki will not be updated until they let me login again [00:01] Thanks, everyone, for your participation! [00:01] :D [00:01] It is great to have people getting involved in this great project. [00:02] and now, [00:02] Enjoy your day today! [00:02] :) lately lots of new installers have ended up on the channel [00:02] ENDMEETING [00:02] :D [00:02] yes, they have. It is a good thing to see many new people coming to Xubuntu. [00:02] mr_pouit: I'll try to get libnotify1 off the CD by alpha2 [00:03] Oh, and for the people that don' t already know, to subscribe to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, go to [00:03] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel [00:03] and sign up [00:04] That's our official ML to discuss what we do with Xubuntu [00:04] micahg: feel free to file removal requests for plugins that are not really maintained upstream, and not in debian [00:04] mr_pouit: only 4 rdepends left after your round of syncs [00:04] mr_pouit: k, already filed for thunar-thumbnailers [00:05] mr_pouit: probably won't get to much xubuntu stuff until wed, I have a round of Mozilla updates [00:05] oh, ochosi, this is just me being silly, but what if xubuntu came whit Screenlets preinstalled whit some weather or stuff like that preconfigured by locale? [00:05] just saying [00:05] gotta go [00:05] charlie-tca: ah, forgot to mention that thunderbird 3.1.11 is coming this week [00:05] :D [00:05] heh, firefox 5.0 [00:05] anyway, it's 1 am here, so good night ;> [00:06] mr_pouit: yeah, plus the firefox/xulrunner updates for lucid/maverick and thunderbird for all stable releases [00:06] FF 5.0 is running with no problems here [00:07] I had to set extensions.checkCompatibility.5.0 to false to get some of my addons to work, but that's not an ubuntu bug [00:08] xrdodrx: as long as they're not from the archive (and none should be in natty), yes [00:08] Thanks, mr_pouit [00:08] micahg: let us know when it hits, we will get testers [00:09] charlie-tca: it's in the mozilla-security PPA [00:09] *ubuntu-mozilla-security [00:09] okay. We will try to grab it [00:10] the minor bumps I usually don't do too much fanfare about, but testers always welcome [00:10] If we got people willing, we can use them. [00:11] You want me to include thunderbird in today's minutes? [00:14] charlie-tca: nah, I'd rather have the focus on Firefox 5, you can add a note that planned release is June 21 [00:14] okay, I will do that [00:15] I'll give more notice for the Lucid/Maverick transitions, this was a mess since this was the first time with the new schedule and upstream is still tweaking processes [00:19] charlie-tca: do you have time to talk to me about a few things in greybird? [00:20] sure [00:20] ochosi: yu [00:20] well, that is a yes, actually [00:21] k :) [00:21] i changed the highlight color again now [00:21] it's a bit more like it was [00:21] but the blue bg is brighter than before [00:21] with white font on it [00:22] i think it's more readable than before [00:22] in treeviews and lists [00:22] That is a hard thing to make work [00:22] (even though i liked the last thing we had) [00:22] the progressbars should be fine now [00:22] It takes so little to make it good or bad. [00:22] i made a new scrollbar-style that i really really like [00:23] okay, I will pull it and take a look. [00:23] i'm not sure you will, but please give it a few days or ideally a week of testing [00:23] i mean i'm not sure you will like it [00:23] I can do that. [00:23] knome didn't like it at first sight/try, but i think he at least changed his mind a bit [00:23] I have three new trackballs/mice on the way, that I will also be testing for my own use. [00:23] kewl [00:24] I got a fortune tied up in mice and keyboards here, trying to find what works the best for me [00:25] right, that sounds like a good time for testing scrollbars :) [00:26] currently the checkboxes and radioboxes don't really have a final look [00:27] haven't gotten around to those yet [00:27] charlie-tca: so that's that. ping me when you have an opinion [00:27] we can also talk earlier then in a week ;) [00:28] (but i don't want to throw the new design away earler than that) [00:28] no problem. I will try it for a week, unless it really kills me [00:28] :) [00:28] I downloaded it, just now [00:28] k [00:31] panels are darker? [00:32] Unless I did something wrong, I really like the scrollbar [00:32] the panel didn't change since we last discussed it [00:32] but it still has arrows [00:32] oh [00:33] it shouldn't [00:33] then something went wrong i guess? [00:33] screenshot? [00:33] hm, what did I get [00:35] http://imagebin.org/159090 [00:35] Did I grab the wrong file again? I took the .zip under downloads [00:36] hm, took it a minute to change, for some reason. arrows are gone [00:36] that is something very odd there [00:36] maybe you have to restart ff [00:37] I can't scroll firefox horizontally now [00:37] some apps need a restart after a theme-change [00:37] It changed in claws-mail and terminal and liferea too [00:38] restarting firefox [00:38] it should look different than in your screenshot [00:38] It lost the arrows [00:38] and definitely without arrows (as you suggested) [00:38] i have to say that i like it without arrows now [00:39] wasn't sure about it before [00:39] but testing it a few days kinda convinced me [00:41] I like it without the arrows [00:41] It is different then the screenshot, but I like it [00:42] ok nice [00:42] It is easier for me to use, at least [00:42] that sounds promising i have to say [00:42] because that was/is a big concern for me [00:42] i really don't want to decrease usability [00:43] Okay, I will run this one for a week and see what happens [00:43] ok cool [00:43] actually i should go to bed now [00:43] it's already 2am [00:43] (here) [00:43] It is not glaring white at me, and I can use it [00:43] yeah, the glaring white got reduced/dealt with [00:43] good night. Get some rest. and thank you! [00:43] thanks, you too! [02:38] charlie-tca: wiki appears to be fixed [02:50] Ooh, that's great news! [02:59] so there is an outstanding bug for xubuntu.org about translations, I'm not sure how we want to handle it [02:59] I like GridCube's FAQ proposal though, if someone wants to write a FAQ we can certainly put it on the site [03:04] pleia2: what bug number? [03:04] #797600 [03:08] Oh, that one [03:08] I don' t think we can do anything with it until we get the website rebuilt [03:08] If he wants it now, he will have to do it himself. [03:11] oh sure, I figured the FAQ proposal would have to wait until we have a new site too [03:14] Oh, I hadn't thought that far yet, but that does make sense, huh? [03:30] hm, they may have fixed something, but apparently logging in after you change from light theme is still not allowed [03:31] I get an error 500 instead of 502 and 503 now === Unit193BeGone is now known as Unit193 [03:33] the wiki is being horrible in general [03:44] yay, .net and .com work again \o/ [04:24] Nice work on that! [04:24] I am supposing that the wiki should get fixed tomorrow or tuesday. It is hard to get things done over the weekend [04:24] * charlie-tca is still really, really, really upset with the wiki, though [04:30] Tired now, going to bed again [04:47] charlie-tca: re: wiki, yeah, one of the sysadmins woke up a few hours ago and has been trying some things, I'm very much hoping for a fix soon too [04:49] Aww crap, the meeting was yesterday now?! Damnit, I need to pay more attention. [04:51] and a very good meeting it was, too :) [04:51] Thanks, pleia2 [04:55] charlie-tca: That's good. Sorry for bailing out. [04:59] no problem; we all miss one now and again [05:01] * pleia2 had all her computers unplugged and all over her living room during it [05:01] today was spring cleaning day :) [05:01] Haha. :) [05:01] Btw. I figured out the reason for my network outages/problems. [05:02] I will be moving soon, so I synced a whole lot of Spotify playlists for offline use, in case of not being networked for a while in the new town. [05:02] The university network has daily quotas. [05:02] It cuts off at 3GB. :D [05:02] oops :) [05:03] After that it's closer to 56k modem speeds. :D [05:03] And since I use heavily different kinds of network-related apps, I was maxed-out all the time. :) [05:04] well, I'm glad the solution was that easy [05:05] Yeah. I was just worried, as the day I started syncing, they had made upgrades to the core network. For a while was convinced they had f***ed up something. [06:07] Is this one fine to do the FF5 testing? http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-next/ubuntu natty main (I would guess not...) [06:07] Unit193: not official testing, unofficially, yes [06:08] Unit193: the idea is to test the binaries we'll release on tuesday of which the ones in that PPA are not [06:08] micahg, Seems really solid to me, believe me, I've tried to make it crash :P [06:09] micahg: Thanks. I guess I can downgrade... [06:09] xrdodrx: good to hear, I believe that to be the case as well, but other use cases are always welcome [06:09] Unit193: downgrade? [06:10] s/downgrade/switch ppas/ [06:10] Unit193: ok, be forewarned that using the ubuntu mozilla security PPA will fail on anything language pack related [06:11] unless you've manually installed the language pack [06:11] micahg: Yep, I'm goind with proposed [06:11] Unit193: k, as long as you're comfortable with all the other untested updates :) [06:13] I, er, already enabled it... (Just randomly noticed that I was running FF%) [06:13] heh, so -proposed is higher than firefox-next ATM actually :) [06:20] Almost offtopic, when they were talking about a FAQ, this is the one I thought of (Not what you're looking for) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ [06:28] Unit193, thats pretty much what i meant :D but more xubuntu related and whit simplier/silly tasks you and me might do instinctively but someone comming from other OS might find rather new, like installing restricted extras [06:30] GridCube: That's the Lubuntu IRC FAQs, close, but not quite what you're looking todo. Make sure to link to the other parts of the Ubuntu wiki? [06:32] what? [11:59] bah, brainstorm.ubuntu.com sucks [11:59] I keep reporting xubuntu related ideas as implemented, and a few months later, they are still marked as new [13:02] hi :) [13:23] ok greybird-git is in my vm running oneiric [13:25] like the darker panel [13:31] plantoschka: feel free to ping me for greybird-feedback (that's what i meant with directing feedback directly to me yesterday) [13:32] will do that :) [13:33] ty [13:33] is the chromium/chrome theme also done by you? [13:33] mhm [13:33] at least the one that is included [13:34] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/djhdibfheaidnhfnhhnmdngcmjpicpkn [13:34] there is also an addon-theme (obviously you don't need that if you use greybird), that was done by someone else (can't remember who now) [13:34] yeah, that was done by someone else [13:35] when i install chromium it uses the default greybird theme. when i installed chrome it didn't [13:35] oh ok [13:35] i only tested it with chromium tbh [13:36] with the addon from the chromestore it works fine [13:36] sry, don't know enough about the differences between chrome and chromium to be of help [13:37] do you plan to make a chrome extension that brings the default greybird scrollbars into chrome/ium ? :-) [13:37] btw i like the new scrollbars without arrows [13:37] thx [13:37] hm, that#s hard i guess [13:37] not sure i'll have time to spend on that [13:37] there are a lot of things to be done for the next release [13:37] (e.g. a decent gtk3 implementation of the theme) [13:38] if you could do that feel free to step up [13:38] i mean the chrome-theme [13:38] well chrome is not that important, there are several scrollbars that fit good [13:39] and like i said definitely like the darker panel [13:40] gtk3 theme looks better than the default fallback but i'm sure you make that even better :-D [13:41] when i install chromium it uses the default greybird theme. when i installed chrome it didn't [13:41] forget this. just installed a fresh chrome in VM and it uses greybird skin [13:41] ok :) [13:41] good to know [13:44] http://imagebin.org/159152 [13:44] default scrollbar is really ugly ;) [13:46] there's not much you can do about that unfortunately [13:46] at least not without designing a specific chrome/ium theme [13:48] yeah i know.. ;) just use firefox :-D [13:49] or a scrollbar extensions for chrome ;) [13:49] or use midori [13:56] midori is great too [13:58] will bluebird also get gtk3? [13:58] depends on my free time/energy [13:58] :) [14:00] you also work on gmusicbrowser? [14:28] w00t! [14:29] wiki is working again [14:29] great [14:29] plantoschka: yes [14:29] morning charlie-tca [14:30] <-subscribed to mailing list :-D [14:30] Hello davmor2 [14:42] Meeting minutes are poted to the wiki. [14:44] charlie-tca: wow you can play golf on the wiki? [14:44] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [14:44] * astraljava waves at the channel [14:44] How're our images today doing? [14:44] yup [14:45] davmor2: lol; updated last week! [14:45] Images today should be usable, I have not had time to install yet [14:45] charlie-tca: :D couldn't resist sorry :D [14:46] I could see that :) [14:54] Alright cool, will check this evening. [15:32] I guess you'll have a black screen instead of lightdm starting ;> [15:33] on the live environment only, right? [15:34] Or is that going to affect all installs now? [15:41] I don't know, on the live environment only I think [15:42] Works for now, then [15:42] because I'm afraid lightdm will try to autologin into the gnome session, which doesn't exist :} [15:42] Is that what is happening? It has been doing that since Ubuntu switched to lightdm [15:43] I think that is what happening, I tried quickly in a vm, and it did that [15:44] yup. Installs have been working from the cd menu only. We can't get a live desktop [17:39] Hey Folks. How are things? [17:40] Could be worse. We no longer have a live desktop because lightdm points only to gnome [17:40] Brilliant. [17:40] Has that been escalated? [17:40] but the installs work; we get a xfce session only, since xubuntu is no longer a valid session [17:40] mr_pouit has been trying to get something done [17:41] Robert should be receptive to helping fix that ASAP. I'll shoot off an e-mail to him to remind him. [17:42] and, with the wiki.ubuntu.com update, that is pretty much broken now [17:42] wiki.ubuntu.com is broken? [17:42] lol, at least it is getting faster [17:42] can't login for a lot of people [17:42] faster is good :) [17:42] ah [17:43] yea, I can't login either [17:43] which kind of makes updating difficult [17:43] Do you know if there is an RT ticket open for that? [17:43] I opened one [17:43] but then it worked [17:43] I don' t know if it is still open now [17:44] rt.ubuntu.com #17306 [17:44] charlie-tca, I think you just have to try twice and it'll work [17:44] heh [17:44] maybe [17:45] You got something there [17:46] charlie-tca, ah, now its timing out on me [17:46] My updates did not give me an error after I got logged in this morning, so there is still hope [17:46] charlie-tca, I've escalated this to the vanguard. [17:46] It's kind of in and out again [17:47] I seem to be in again [17:48] I'm logged in as well... [17:50] I did send a few messages in over the weekend, but that didn't seem to help at all [17:50] charlie-tca, Whats the bug # re: lightdm issue? I'll escalate that too. [17:50] same, I'm still having trouble hitting preview when I make edits [17:51] pleia2, I'll ask if thats a known issue. [17:51] cody-somerville: I've been in the sysadmin channel all weekend, they keep doing tweaks to make it better, not much luck so far [17:51] ah. :( [17:52] but at least the wiki loads, which is an improvement over yesterday morning [17:52] true [17:53] cody-somerville: http://pad.lv/799238 [17:53] Launchpad bug 799238 in casper (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu amd64 20110618 xserver abort" [Medium,Triaged] [17:53] and [17:53] http://pad.lv/795575 [17:53] Launchpad bug 795575 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "xubuntu-session unavailable for Oneiric" [High,Triaged] [17:53] and I got one more, if I can find it [17:54] Bug 799754 [17:54] Launchpad bug 799754 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Please register lightdm.conf in the alternatives system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799754 [17:54] That's the ones I know of [17:56] We just keep trying... [17:57] cody-somerville: I am adding these three to the release team tracker, too, this week [17:57] oh, by the way, we are now included in the release team meetings [17:58] \o/ [17:59] We really are making a few gains, huh? [17:59] Yes, sir. [18:03] charlie-tca: I have a xubuntu session just fine on my oneiric laptop, so it's not lightdm [18:06] micahg: it is lightdm on new installations [18:07] upgrades and adding lightdm works, but a new install will not because of the changes made [18:08] Our images were fine until Ubuntu made the changes and added lightdm to theirs. [18:09] We have not been able to get a live desktop since then [18:09] well, I don't think the fault is lightdm itself, but rather the live system and the way it uses the display manager === _Hyper__ is now known as _Hyper_ [20:24] charlie-tca, want me to do some testings today? [20:37] sure [20:38] Everybody likes the idea of the FAQ page, so let's get the discussion about what fits going. [20:46] :) [20:47] yesterday Unit193 show me this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ [20:47] i think it could be something like a guide [20:48] i think it will be better if we focus on things people that comes from other OSs might care to have working pretty fast, thats why i said "how to listen music?" as my primary example [20:50] That's what your message to the Mailing list should say, then. also any other topics you think would be good. Want me to start it, and you can then reply? [20:51] oh i could send the mail i think [20:52] will topic it "Top 10 FAQ for the Xubuntu site" [20:52] great! [20:52] That fits perfect [20:52] I was pointing that out as it's another FAQ (I didn't think he was planning on that as it's run by the IRC support people) [20:52] How to turn sound on? How to listen to music? How to install video drivers? [20:53] those are pretty great [20:53] maybe "how to enable compiz" that is asked a lot [20:53] yes! [20:53] How to play DVDs? [20:53] good one [20:53] dvd/music the same? [20:53] idea: maybe combine them with appropriate icons on the website, so that people can easily spot what they're looking for (instead of just a long list of text) [20:54] and we let it run about a month, to see what the most asked stuff is in #xubuntu? [20:54] We just need someone to keep on eye on the channel and send the stuff to the ML [20:55] A really good reason for people to visit the website: Rotating FAQ's [20:58] This is also going to be keeping the english ones up too I would assume [21:00] oh, im forgeting about the translation thing [21:00] which english ones? [21:00] adding that up to the mail [21:01] that's correct, I think. [21:01] Since we have none now, we would be maintaining them in English and ??? [21:06] spañish? [21:06] sended [21:06] :D [21:07] Thanks [21:08] charlie-tca, i will do the "alternate, disk encryption" test now [21:08] do you want me to do anything else? [21:11] any you can do will be great [21:12] oh, why does it says my full name on the ML? XD [21:13] :P not that it really bothers me [21:13] Should be the name you used for the subscription [21:14] oh i think it takes the name i use on gmail [21:14] maybe [21:15] what kind of test is the one for firefox? [21:16] GridCube: just use it and see if it breaks [21:16] okay [21:16] the more extreme your daily use is, the better the test :) [21:17] * GridCube will take his tests to THE EXTREME [21:44] This seems to be the only time where the more tabs you have, the better it is :P [21:46] i wonder what would happen if i open 100 youtube videos at the same time [21:49] GridCube: I have had 130+ tabs open on more than one occasion (About 160 has been my max...) [21:49] :P when i read my webcomics on the mornign i autoopen 40+ pages at once [21:49] XD [23:11] charlie-tca, the installation freezed [23:20] probably a kernel panic. Do the caps-lock and num-lock buttons make the lights turn on/off? [23:21] Is that a test or your used installation? [23:24] charlie-tca, thats for me? [23:25] yeah, but I answered you already in #xubuntu [23:33] ok in the other topic, the installation of the virtualmachine died at "downloading 2 o f 6" [23:51] That's a FAIL [23:51] Seems to be a problem with the kernel today, maybe tomorrow it will all be there [23:56] ok