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pitti | Good morning | 05:31 |
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didrocks | good morning | 07:46 |
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dholbach | good morning | 08:00 |
\sh | moins | 08:11 |
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smb | @pilot in | 08:19 |
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tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 10:24 |
pitti | hello tkamppeter | 10:24 |
tkamppeter | pitti, my single-sign-on (OpenID AFAIK) does not work any more on wiki.ubuntu.com. | 10:25 |
pitti | tkamppeter: do you get wiki timeouts? | 10:26 |
pitti | I got plagued by them as well since the recent wiki update; I just kept trying until it worked | 10:26 |
pitti | i. e. log in twice, then wait a minute, and press reload | 10:26 |
pitti | then it suddenly worked | 10:26 |
tkamppeter | pitti, yes, after a certain time delay (some minutes) I get 502 Proxy Error. | 10:26 |
tkamppeter | On FF and Chromium. | 10:26 |
tkamppeter | pitti, reload gives: "OpenID error: Nonce already used or out of range." | 10:29 |
pitti | tkamppeter: can you please ask in #canonical-sysadmin ? | 10:30 |
pitti | there's nothing I can do about the wiki, I'm afraid | 10:30 |
tkamppeter | pitti, thanks, I have posted the problem on that channel now. | 10:33 |
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zyga | mvo, ping | 12:21 |
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mvo | hey zyga | 13:21 |
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zyga | mvo, hey | 13:23 |
zyga | mvo, is python-apt a native thing or is it pure python | 13:24 |
zyga | mvo, or actually -- is there a chance to get python-apt up on pypi? | 13:24 |
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mvo | zyga: its mostly a wrapper around the c++ libapt stuff, so not native | 13:28 |
jamespage | doko: around? I have a query re a change in openjdk-6 6b23 | 13:30 |
zyga | mvo, is it still "normal" setup.py + friends? | 13:30 |
mvo | zyga: yes | 13:31 |
mvo | zyga: but it needs libapt-pkg-dev to build | 13:31 |
zyga | mvo, do you think it would be possible to publish python-apt on pypi | 13:32 |
zyga | mvo, this way one could use virtualenv with --no-site-packages to get it | 13:32 |
zyga | mvo, and still having libapt-pkg-dev installed locally they would build it fine | 13:32 |
mvo | zyga: I don't have experience with pypi, but if its possible, sure, why not | 13:40 |
mvo | zyga: I will ask bary for advice once he is online | 13:40 |
nigelb | 7/w 27 | 13:49 |
nigelb | bah | 13:49 |
Ursinha | nigelb: irssi? :P | 13:49 |
zyga | mvo, thanks | 13:53 |
seb128 | !pilot in | 14:01 |
seb128 | @pilot in | 14:02 |
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seb128 | (catching up the round I missed yesterday) | 14:02 |
ogasawara | @pilot in | 14:02 |
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seb128 | slangasek, since you assigned bug #742017 to yourself should I unsubscribe the sponsors? (i.e will you handle it)? | 14:06 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 742017 in popularity-contest (Ubuntu) ""readline() on closed filehandle FILES" warnings caused by multiarch" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742017 | 14:06 |
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nigelb | Ursinha: Yes :-) | 14:10 |
cjwatson | pitti: language-pack-kok{,-base} is missing from the archive and causing build failures (language-pack-gnome-kok{,-base} is there) | 14:14 |
pitti | cjwatson: lokoing | 14:15 |
pitti | "looking" too | 14:15 |
pitti | hm, they shoudn't even exist | 14:21 |
tumbleweed | can an ubuntu-branches member please mark these merged: https://code.launchpad.net/~marcelstimberg/ubuntu/natty/epdfview/fix-for-783109/+merge/61794 https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/natty/oss4/fix-746048/+merge/64945 | 14:32 |
cjwatson | tumbleweed: done | 14:34 |
tumbleweed | thanks | 14:34 |
pitti | cjwatson: ah, I found the bug in langpack-o-matic, fixed; I removed these two empty -kok packages | 14:34 |
cjwatson | pitti: great, thanks | 14:35 |
pitti | funny corner case | 14:35 |
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lool | pitti: I don't know what causes it, but I really have trouble booting nowadays; I can only boot when going back to 2.6.38-8-generic, the 3.0 kernels have a too racy boot; I get various types of boot failures | 14:57 |
lool | sometimes I get errors about not being able to rnu dmsetup, sometimes I get the /home couldn't be mounted screen "Keep waiting etc.", if I skip I get lightdm but can't move the mouse or type with the keyboard (not even switching ttys) | 14:58 |
ogra_ | can you ssh ? | 14:59 |
ogra_ | we have a weird error on omap where the whole usb stack stops working in 3.0 if compiled with the current toolchain | 15:00 |
lool | didn't try, but probably as the system is running: if I trigger a reboot before pressing skip, it will actually reboot -- or if I press the power button | 15:00 |
lool | ogra_: that's known, isn't it? | 15:00 |
ogra_ | yes | 15:00 |
lool | ogra_: let me hand you the patch | 15:00 |
ogra_ | but your symptoms sound so similar | 15:00 |
lool | no, the omap issue only affects the OMAP USB stack, nothing else | 15:00 |
ogra_ | nah, hand it to ppisati rather :) | 15:01 |
lool | this is on a thinkpad, I don't think keyboard and mouse are on USB; plus the build issue is specific to an OMAP struct | 15:01 |
ogra_ | k | 15:01 |
ogra_ | i dont know much about the bug, just that it only shows up with the recent toolchain | 15:02 |
geser | I get the race with mounting my lvm volumes in oneiric too. I get better a success rate when booting without "quiet splash". | 15:02 |
lool | ogra_: workaround http://paste.debian.net/120560/ | 15:03 |
ogra_ | lool, ah, i saw that one, doesnt work | 15:04 |
ogra_ | paolo already tired that | 15:04 |
smb | @pilot out | 15:07 |
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bdrung | cjwatson: when will be new packages synced from debian. it's in debian for three days. | 15:39 |
seb128 | cjwatson, should the sponsors be subscribed to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/604335 | 15:39 |
seb128 | ? | 15:39 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 604335 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-pc.postinst script fails to detect virtio vda disk in KVM guest" [High,Triaged] | 15:39 |
bdrung | s/n./n?/ | 15:39 |
cjwatson | bdrung: which package do you care about? | 15:40 |
seb128 | cjwatson, or is that something you will deal with when you have time rather? | 15:40 |
cjwatson | seb128: I'll deal with it when I have time; best not to be dealt with by general sponsorship IMO | 15:40 |
bdrung | cjwatson: packaging-dev | 15:41 |
seb128 | cjwatson, ok thanks, that's what I was thinking, unsubcribing the sponsors then ;-) | 15:41 |
cjwatson | bdrung: I literally *just* synced that | 15:41 |
bdrung | cjwatson: :) thanks | 15:41 |
salty-horse | any chance of natty getting this simple fix for a gdb segfault ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdb/+bug/691814 | 15:45 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 691814 in gdb (Ubuntu) "gdb crashed with SIGSEGV in response to strace command with no arguments" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:45 |
seb128 | does anybody has any clue about libevent or an opinion on bug #796187 | 15:46 |
seb128 | ? | 15:46 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 796187 in libevent (Ubuntu) "Sync libevent 2.0.10-stable-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/796187 | 15:46 |
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seb128 | the version is still in debian experimental but is needed by some softwares (fedora did the update for f15 it seems) | 15:48 |
davmor2 | hey guys is the delay for the touchpad disable while typing adjustable? It's taking 2 or 3 seconds to react once I stop typing in oneiric | 15:58 |
Ampelbein | seb128: re bug 765915, I updated the merge proposal and added a comment. Could you review the patch again? | 16:17 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 765915 in libqtbamf (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libqtbamf version 0.2-0ubuntu2 failed to build on i386" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765915 | 16:17 |
mr_pouit | cjwatson: hey, I've again another weird issue with xubuntu daily builds for you (sorry ;-). There's no ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu in the current daily builds (yet it is in live seed, and apparently recognized by germinate). Ubiquity-slideshow-*edubuntu* is selected and shipped instead... | 16:17 |
seb128 | Ampelbein, thanks | 16:18 |
seb128 | Ampelbein, about the optional symbols my guess was that somebody marked them optional for a reason so I would like to understand why if we drop them | 16:18 |
seb128 | Ampelbein, like it's already weird that symbols are different when building on natty and oneiric | 16:18 |
Ampelbein | seb128: maybe the switch from gcc4.5 to 4.6? I've seen that a few times symbols differ between natty and oneiric. | 16:19 |
Ampelbein | seb128: I think I can agree on the optional symbols comment. There's no harm in having them, I just thought it would be best-practice to have them removed. | 16:21 |
seb128 | Ampelbein, well, it might be fine, I will just let somebody with a better understanding of that package decide on why they were marked optional rather than dropped to start ;-) | 16:22 |
omnibus | Ciao! | 16:23 |
pitti | lool: is the booting trouble on arm or x86? haven't had a boot failure in months | 16:24 |
hallyn | mvo: could you take a quick look at bug 800209? It seems similar to bug 455861 in debconf... | 16:46 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 800209 in libcap2 (Ubuntu) "package libcap2-bin 1:2.20-1 failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '<standard output>': No such file or directory" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800209 | 16:46 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 455861 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Lucid) "Possible race in debconf socket forwarding" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/455861 | 16:46 |
mvo | thanks hallyn that looks indeed like it, might be that aptdaemon crashed too or got killed | 16:52 |
hallyn | mvo: cool, thanks for looking | 17:05 |
cjwatson | mr_pouit: hmph :-) | 17:17 |
cjwatson | mr_pouit: that's really rather bizarre | 17:18 |
cjwatson | mr_pouit: that's freaky. have you tried reproducing it locally? | 17:20 |
cjwatson | this business of removing .pyc files from the squashfs is good at finding obscure bugs in packages | 17:20 |
didrocks | cjwatson: you mean, packages shipping them? | 17:21 |
cjwatson | yeah | 17:21 |
didrocks | hum, that's… interesting :) | 17:21 |
* dholbach hugs barry | 17:21 | |
cjwatson | specifically it catches cases where packages run dh_python2 or whatever in the wrong place and thus lose the generated maintainer scripts | 17:21 |
barry | dholbach: we even got our first participant on #ubuntu-pyjam :) | 17:21 |
cjwatson | e.g. python-appindicator (I'm fixing it now) | 17:22 |
dholbach | barry, NICE | 17:22 |
dholbach | barry, I'll blog about it in a bit | 17:22 |
Laney | pyjamas? | 17:22 |
barry | Laney: that's the only appropriate outerwear for the jam session | 17:22 |
mr_pouit | cjwatson: no, not yet (I'm not on my system, so I only browsed through several live build & germinate logs in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/) | 17:23 |
seb128 | james_w, hi, could you mark https://code.launchpad.net/~alexandru.cucu/ubuntu/natty/whois/fix-for-785052/+merge/64172 as merged? | 17:25 |
pitti | seb128, james_w: ^ done | 17:25 |
seb128 | pitti, oh you can do that? thanks ;-) | 17:25 |
pitti | I wonder why you can't | 17:26 |
pitti | probably because TB owns UDD owns those merges or so | 17:26 |
seb128 | likely something like that | 17:26 |
Laney | it's ~ubuntu-branches membership | 17:26 |
seb128 | I can set as merged those for which I've upload rights to | 17:26 |
seb128 | but natty is stable so I can't for those | 17:26 |
seb128 | I think | 17:26 |
bdmurray | seb128: could you look at sponsoring the debdiff in bug 797894? | 17:28 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 797894 in update-manager (Ubuntu Natty) "update-manager bug reports would benefit from an apport-hook" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797894 | 17:28 |
seb128 | bdmurray, why do you need to do | 17:30 |
seb128 | + report['GconfUpdateManager'] = command_output(['gconftool-2', '-R', | 17:30 |
seb128 | + '/apps/update-manager']) | 17:30 |
seb128 | if you use | 17:30 |
seb128 | + attach_gconf(report, 'update-manager') | 17:30 |
seb128 | ? | 17:30 |
bdmurray | attach_gconf only shows the non-default values while command_output shows both | 17:31 |
seb128 | why are the default values useful? | 17:32 |
bdrung | barry: do you have a todo list for the dh_python2 transition? | 17:32 |
seb128 | we usually want to see what is non standard? | 17:32 |
bdmurray | How would someone easily find the default values? | 17:32 |
seb128 | bdmurray, why do they matter? they could be as well variable in the source | 17:34 |
seb128 | bdmurray, what is useful on bugs is usually what users tweaked to be non standard, we know what is the standard behaviour | 17:35 |
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seb128 | well it's mvo's software so I will let him decide what he finds useful in bugs ;-) | 17:35 |
cjwatson | mr_pouit: test-building locally now, will take a while | 17:37 |
mr_pouit | cjwatson: I checked some old build logs, and the latest build containing ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu is from June 13 (incidentally, just before the switch to live-build). After that, -edubuntu is selected instead (I don't know why we didn't notice that earlier) | 17:38 |
charlie-tca | mr_pouit: attaching the logs to the bug from today | 17:38 |
cjwatson | mr_pouit: ... oh, it's because I'm an idiot | 17:38 |
cjwatson | xubuntu) | 17:38 |
cjwatson | ... | 17:38 |
cjwatson | add_task live edubuntu-live | 17:38 |
cjwatson | charlie-tca: what's the bug#? | 17:39 |
charlie-tca | It was xubuntu slideshow for alpha1 | 17:39 |
charlie-tca | bug 800211 | 17:39 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 800211 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu desktop installation shows edubuntu slideshow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800211 | 17:39 |
cjwatson | yeah, alpha-1 predated live-build | 17:39 |
cjwatson | thanks, I'll take that | 17:39 |
bdmurray | seb128: I can see what you are saying and I'll watch to see if the default gconf information really is useful. It might be worthwhile to remove it. | 17:40 |
charlie-tca | thanks | 17:40 |
lool | pitti: it's on x86 | 17:40 |
mr_pouit | huhu, this explains the issue ;-) | 17:40 |
charlie-tca | I will throw all the logs into it | 17:40 |
lool | pitti: on a thinkpad with LVM root and home | 17:40 |
seb128 | bdmurray, thanks, the reason I prefer not having it personally is to avoid having useful informations in the middle of the noise, we should limit what we list to what is useful | 17:40 |
cjwatson | charlie-tca: no need | 17:41 |
charlie-tca | Okay, I won't. | 17:41 |
bdmurray | seb128: and I honestly don't know how to find the default gconf values for an application (regardless of whether or not that is useful) | 17:41 |
cjwatson | fixed for tomorrow's builds | 17:42 |
charlie-tca | Thanks | 17:42 |
mr_pouit | thanks | 17:42 |
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seb128 | bdmurray, why would the default gconf values be useful? do you try to get the default value of the code variables? | 17:46 |
seb128 | bdmurray, software variable defaults are not really useful to debug usually, the code writer know those, what is useful is what is non standard | 17:47 |
pitti | yes, in general it's better to only include "unexpected" information, as then it's a lot easier to read and spot | 17:49 |
bdmurray | okay that makes sense | 17:50 |
apw | pitti, do you use editmoin? and if so is it still working for you | 17:50 |
bdmurray | apw: I think you need to update your cookie in your moin_ids file | 17:51 |
bambee | Evening, I've two bug fixes for language-selector (KDE frontend), Can I propose a merge directly (including a description)? or I need to report a bug ? | 17:51 |
pitti | apw: no, unfortunately it broke with the recent wiki upgrade :( | 17:51 |
pitti | apw: I haven't found a way to make it work again, the new wiki doesn't set the cookie any more | 17:51 |
pitti | apw: it sets _a_ cookie, but that doesn't work with editmoin | 17:51 |
apw | phththt, thats very annoying | 17:52 |
seb128 | sbeattie, hi, could you unsubscribe the ubuntu-security-sponsor from bug #783508 ? | 17:53 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 783508 in nginx (Ubuntu) "nginx package in Lucid Lynx allows null byte vulnerability in certain configurations" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/783508 | 17:53 |
seb128 | sbeattie, so it drops from the sponsoring list ;-) | 17:53 |
sbeattie | seb128: sure, though it should be getting auto-closed soon. | 18:00 |
seb128 | sbeattie, ok, thanks | 18:00 |
seb128 | sbeattie, I forgot it was a security upload, I was thinking normal SRU with the bug staying on fix commited for a week while it's in proposed ;-) | 18:00 |
seb128 | @pilot out | 18:08 |
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seb128 | dholbach, ;-) hug! | 18:14 |
dholbach | :) | 18:15 |
Ampelbein | hi there, is there an archive admin available to push gnustep-gui through binary new? thanks. | 18:33 |
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RoAkSoAx | hey guys, two upstreams have merged their code of two different projects into one single project. That has left us with a new package in Oneiric (resource-agents). Thjis package replaces the package cluster-agents and some of the bits installed with redhat-cluster (part of both cman and rgmanager). This new pakcage (resource-agents) is not yet in Debian, but will be soon. However, I'll be filing a MIR for resource-agents so I was wondering if it | 20:48 |
slangasek | RoAkSoAx: you truncated at "I was wondering if it" | 20:50 |
RoAkSoAx | I was wondering if it would make sense to request a removal of cluster-agents (even though it will not be removed from | 20:50 |
RoAkSoAx | Debian anytime soon) or should I just request a demotion | 20:50 |
slangasek | by "request a demotion" you mean "get the package unseeded"? | 20:51 |
RoAkSoAx | slangasek: yeah a demotion from main to universe, and replace all those depends on cluster-agents for resource-agents | 20:51 |
slangasek | archive admins don't demote packages except when the components-mismatches page tells us we can... so just do the replacement of the depends and the archive state will take care of itself | 20:52 |
RoAkSoAx | slangasek: cool. Thanks! | 20:53 |
slangasek | does resource-agents really need an MIR, given that both cluster-agents and redhat-cluster are in main? | 20:53 |
slangasek | a stub bug saying "resource-agents is the software formerly known as prince" is probably sufficient | 20:53 |
RoAkSoAx | slangasek: not really, it basically hsa the same as what's in cluster-agents plus some pieces of redhat-cluster, plus a couple of new scripts/manpages | 20:54 |
slangasek | hmm, are we getting rid of c-a and r-c *both* this cycle, or only c-a? | 20:54 |
RoAkSoAx | slangasek: only c-a | 20:55 |
slangasek | ok... I guess you should file an MIR then, the MIR team might care about having two copies of the r-c source around :) | 20:55 |
RoAkSoAx | slangasek: ok cool.. cause in redhat-cluster I'm just dropping the installation of such files | 20:56 |
RoAkSoAx | slangasek: but anywayas, thanks for the tips | 20:56 |
slangasek | sure | 20:57 |
ogasawara | @pilot out | 21:43 |
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broder | do the Release/Sources/Packages/etc. files in the archive end up in LP anywhere? | 22:04 |
broder | or are they generated entirely externally? | 22:04 |
jelmer | broder, they're generated from the database but not stored in the database | 22:06 |
broder | so there's no archive of them anywhere? | 22:06 |
jelmer | broder: there isn't a as-is copy of them in Launchpad itself, though all the data should be present to reconstruct what was in an archive at a given time | 22:08 |
broder | jelmer: sure, but i can't reconstruct the signatures :) | 22:09 |
jelmer | broder: there might also be external copies/backups of them, outside of Launchpad | 22:09 |
* broder nods | 22:09 | |
broder | unfortunately, "ubuntu", "archive", "backup", and "snapshot" are all sufficiently generic that they're really hard to google for | 22:13 |
broder | :) | 22:13 |
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em | Oh hi | 22:45 |
jcrigby | cjwatson, ping? | 23:20 |
cjwatson | jcrigby: it's bedtime here, please leave a message | 23:24 |
jcrigby | cjwatson, ok | 23:24 |
micahg | jcrigby: re e-mail to devel-permissions> do you remember who was chairing that meeting? I would suggest asking that person to e-mail the tech board on your behalf to make it happen | 23:46 |
jcrigby | micahg, thanks, I'll do that | 23:46 |
jcrigby | persia, ping? | 23:48 |
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