[11:07] <tdr112> morning
[11:13] <ebel> morning
[11:27] <slashtom> good morning
[11:41] <czajkows1i> aloha
[15:38] <tdr112> how would i save the output of say lspci into a file
[15:38] <tdr112> pipe and then touch
[15:38] <tdr112> echo
[15:38] <tdr112> ?
[15:44] <davem> lspci > filename.txt
[15:45] <davem> >> if you want to append it to the file and not overwrite the existing content
[15:45] <tdr112> ah thanks i was over thinking it with pipe
[16:34] <sidetap> hi
[16:36] <ebel> hello
[16:37] <sidetap> hows is thing in ireland?
[16:37] <sidetap> things
[16:38] <sidetap> there are not many jobs in ireland?
[16:38] <tdr112> its just started to rain
[16:38] <sidetap> i am from uk
[16:38] <tdr112> sidetap: lots of IT jobs
[16:39] <ebel> lots of technical, it, programming and sysadmin jobs in ireland
[16:39] <sidetap> u dont have electronic jobs?
[16:39] <sidetap> all the factories went abroad?
[16:39] <sidetap> electronic factories
[16:39] <tdr112> well intel are hiring like mad
[16:40] <tdr112> a new fab is coming online soon
[16:40] <sidetap> where is intel?
[16:40] <sidetap> dublin?
[16:41] <tdr112> just outside of dublin
[16:41] <sidetap> i am a electronic engineer
[16:42] <sidetap> who here is a programmer?
[16:43] <sidetap> whats the best language to start with python
[16:43] <sidetap> for ubuntu
[16:43] <sidetap> i was studying c++
[16:44]  * ebel is a software guy 
[16:45] <ebel> sidetap: what do you want to do? Some languages are better for some tasks than others
[16:46] <sidetap> not sure
[16:46] <slashtom> at the electronic engineer level, C or C++ would be more useful
[16:46] <sidetap> i want to be good at ubuntu use the shell terminal more
[16:46] <ebel> sysadmining!
[16:46] <ebel> That's less programming, and more learning about the system, and how to make it do things.
[16:47] <ebel> e.g. setting up and maintaining a web server, file server, vpn server, email server etc.
[16:47] <sidetap> i was using c++ for programming pic chips yes
[16:48] <sidetap> i should study python then?
[16:48] <sidetap> bash commands are python?
[16:49] <ebel> no, bash commands are in.... well bash
[16:49] <ebel> You can programme in bash
[16:49] <ebel> "bash scripts" (also called "shell scripts", or "shell scripting")
[16:50] <ebel> it's good for simple programming, but for more complex programming (i.e. writing actual programme, you'll need something better)
[17:08] <sidetap> thats looks like a big intel factory in ireland i looked at the website
[17:08] <sidetap> its in kildare
[17:09] <ebel> in leixlip? that's about a 60 min bus ride from dublin
[17:09] <sidetap> yeah
[17:09] <sidetap> inever knew irealnd had a big factorylike that
[17:09] <sidetap> most electronic factories went to poland  and europe places
[17:10] <sidetap> cheap labour
[17:10] <sidetap> around 2000
[17:10] <sidetap> intel stayed
[17:10] <sidetap> ?
[17:10] <ebel> dell used to have a large assembly plant in limerick, but that closed a few years ago
[17:10] <ebel> I think the intel one is chip manufactueror, so it's high tech stuff
[17:11] <moylan> the intel plant is so big they use bikes to get around and it isn't easy just to move a clean fab plant.  my company once sold an amd computer to intel.  our proudest moment! :-)
[17:11] <ebel> There is a lot of pharmacutical manufactors in ireland
[17:12] <sidetap> u work for amd?
[17:12] <sidetap> allmy computers are amd i like amd
[17:12] <sidetap> athlon chips
[17:12] <moylan> nope.  just the ast computers we sold then had amd.  we sold to security company who needed a pc to log events on site.
[17:13] <sidetap> i like the new phenom i want one
[17:13] <sidetap> phenom amd is the new chip
[17:13] <sidetap> i read
[17:16] <sidetap> where was the dell factory?
[17:17] <sidetap> dublin also?
[17:17] <moylan> dell were in bray co.wicklow
[17:17] <ebel> no, dell's call centre is/was in bray, co. wicklow, but their assebly plant was in limerick
[17:17] <ebel> (in co. limerick)
[17:18] <moylan> whoops ebel is correct.  i just knew a ton of folk who worked in the bray plant.
[17:18] <moylan> some even sent to poland to train their successors.
[17:18] <sidetap> repair the money is in repair work
[17:19] <ebel> The money is in programming.
[17:19] <ebel> There is a massive demand for programmers/sysadmins.
[17:19] <ebel> there are more jobs than workers
[17:22] <sidetap> programming what?
[17:23] <sidetap> example?
[17:23] <sidetap> hence i am not a programmer
[17:25] <ebel> anything.
[17:25] <ebel> I do web programming (and have done linux sysadmining)
[17:27] <sidetap> java is web?
[17:28] <ebel> yeah
[17:29] <sidetap> would u work in a team
[17:32] <ebel> depends
[17:33] <ebel> if you're in a small company (e.g. like I am now), then there are other developers, but you are working mostly on your own stuff
[17:33] <ebel> sorta
[17:35] <sidetap> uh
[17:36] <sidetap> so
[17:36] <sidetap> ubuntu is big in ireland?
[17:36] <sidetap> not many people in here
[17:37] <sidetap> every one like windows ?
[17:37] <ebel> it's much like the UK
[17:37] <sidetap> yeah
[17:38] <sidetap> most people like windows
[17:38] <sidetap> orapple
[17:38] <sidetap> apple
[17:38] <sidetap> every one has a mac book
[17:38] <sidetap> ha ha
[17:38] <sidetap> i like the 15inch mac book pro
[17:39] <sidetap> at a wooping 1600 quid its not worth it
[17:43] <sidetap> theres not many jobs here in the uk
[17:43] <sidetap> australia has millions ofjobs
[17:47] <ebel> hard to get into
[17:48] <sidetap> why hard?
[17:48] <ebel> and lots of people go there and have to work in farms. it's like cheap white slave labour.
[17:48] <sidetap> ha ha
[17:48] <sidetap> nooooo
[17:48] <ebel> You can't just move there, like you can in EU. You need someone to sponsor you, etc. I think.
[17:49] <sidetap> skills shortage lists
[17:49] <sidetap> go google it
[17:54] <sidetap> installing software ubuntu
[17:55] <sidetap> how do u do it manually
[17:55] <sidetap> a lot of software is not packaged
[17:55] <sidetap> self installable
[20:04] <czajkowski> tdr112: you alive ?
[20:13] <airurando> evening all
[20:13] <airurando> are we ready?
[20:15] <czajkowski> 45 min to go :)
[20:15] <czajkowski> airurando: made one tweak to the app
[20:15] <airurando> me too
[20:15] <airurando> what was yours?
[20:15] <czajkowski> :)
[20:15] <czajkowski> added the twitter/identi.ca ac
[20:15] <airurando> lovely
[20:16] <czajkowski> what you do
[20:16] <airurando> mine: we had referenced 2010 for UGJ Limerick when in fact it was 2011
[20:16] <airurando> also a few spellings
[20:16] <czajkowski> nods
[20:16] <czajkowski> cool
[20:28] <airurando> howdy jpich
[20:30] <czajkowski> jpich: aloha
[20:30] <jpich> Hulloh
[20:30] <jpich> Did I miss the thingie thing or is it later?
[20:31] <czajkowski> in 30 mins time it kicks off
[20:31] <jpich> Cool :) Go us
[20:32] <czajkowski> :D
[20:39] <airurando> should Gobuntu and Ubuntu JeOS still be listed on our top wiki page
[20:39] <airurando> I just removed netbook edition
[20:39] <czajkowski> no idea..
[20:40] <czajkowski> wish the apt would cool down
[20:40] <czajkowski> roasting
[20:40] <airurando> the links seem to list 8.04 derivatives
[20:40] <airurando> czajkowski bloody miserable over here
[20:44] <ebel> hello all
[20:45] <airurando> howdy ebel
[20:47] <ebel> howdy
[20:52] <theirishpenguin> Hi airurando, everyone
[20:52] <airurando> good evening theirishpenguin
[20:53] <mokmeister> hello all!
[20:53] <theirishpenguin> airurando:  Evening! Phew, just about got an IRC client set up on this machine!
[20:53] <airurando> theirishpenguin and there was me just thinking you were trying to play cool
[20:53] <airurando> evening mokmeister
[20:54] <mokmeister> Just reading through the re approval application, don't think the Corkonians would like the real capital being described as the third largest city after Dublin and Limerick! heehee
[20:54] <theirishpenguin> airurando: I'm rarely cool :-)
[20:54] <theirishpenguin> mokmeister: hello
[20:54] <airurando> lol
[20:54] <airurando> not true
[20:55] <theirishpenguin> mokmeister: Ya, I think the people's republic wouldn't be too happy ;)
[20:55] <mokmeister> :D
[20:56] <airurando> mokmeister an oversight I assure you
[20:56] <airurando> else some dissident in limerick havin fun
[20:56] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[20:56] <czajkowski> so I'll be chairing the meeting
[20:56] <czajkowski> except when ireland app is up
[20:56] <theirishpenguin> airurando:  I'm going to get onto Michael Martin immediately!
[20:56] <mokmeister> Indeed! I'm likin it anyway! :)
[20:56] <theirishpenguin> czajkowski: Hello
[20:56] <czajkowski> :)
[20:56] <airurando> is everyone in #ubuntu-meeting?
[20:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:57] <mokmeister> nope
[20:57] <theirishpenguin> airurando: Just about to join in there.
[20:57] <airurando> that is where the action will be happening
[20:57] <moylan> yup
[20:57] <mokmeister> yep!
[20:58] <mokmeister> Just time to make a quick cuppa!
[20:59] <moynihan> or pour a whiskey
[20:59] <czajkowski> will be about 40 mins before ireland is up
[21:00] <czajkowski> we work through the agenda in the list on the wiki
[21:01]  * airurando is getting a bit nervous
[21:01] <tdr112> so what channel
[21:02] <airurando> #ubuntu-meeting
[21:02] <airurando> evenind tdr112
[21:02] <airurando> *evening
[21:02] <infoturtle> oh, we ment to be in that room?
[21:02] <airurando> infoturtle yip
[21:02] <tdr112> evening
[21:02] <theirishpenguin> tdr112: hello
[21:03] <tdr112> theirishpenguin: you remember how to use irc :)
[21:03] <theirishpenguin> tdr112: Just about :)
[21:04] <theirishpenguin> I'm using Quassel cause my fat fingers have forgotten how to work irsii!
[21:04] <infoturtle> done
[21:04] <infoturtle> all we all going to be asked questions or what's the story here?
[21:05] <tdr112> infoturtle: nope
[21:05] <tdr112> they might ask who is here from ubuntu-ie and then we all say us
[21:06] <infoturtle> I should be able to do that much right
[21:06] <infoturtle> should be.....
[21:06] <airurando> ebel I hope your silence is you just getting in the zone.
[21:07] <ebel> :P
[21:07] <ebel> it's *ON*!
[21:07] <airurando> slashtom about
[21:07] <ebel> (poke me when we're up)
[21:07] <ebel> nah slashtom's money is being sucked by the government of new south wales :P
[21:08] <tdr112> anyone have the running order handy
[21:08] <airurando> ebel eh?
[21:08] <infoturtle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda
[21:08] <infoturtle> think that's what you're talking about
[21:09] <ebel> airurando: the australian toll road people are money grabbers.
[21:09] <airurando> ebel bummer.
[21:10] <airurando> the reapprovals have started
[21:11] <tdr112> ok does someone want to come up with a answer for the question that has just been asked
[21:11] <mokmeister> link to the re approval page do?
[21:12] <ebel> tdr112: which one 'how do you get things done?'
[21:12] <ebel> we get things done over mailing lists, irc meetings  and using this irc channel.
[21:13] <tdr112> and in person
[21:13] <mokmeister> afk
[21:13] <ebel> tasks are declared, and people choose to do them...
[21:13] <czajkowski> well we share stuff out
[21:13] <ebel> (yes and in person)
[21:13] <czajkowski> tdr112: does team report then mails
[21:13] <czajkowski> out
[21:13] <czajkowski> ebel: chairs
[21:13] <czajkowski> someone does mins and shares stuff
[21:13]  * czajkowski runs back to other room
[21:17] <mokmeister> back
[21:19] <mokmeister> 5 votes is hardly representative of all the people in the room! ;)
[21:19] <czajkowski> mokmeister: eh..
[21:19] <airurando> Venezuela is through Denmark is up now
[21:19] <tdr112> mokmeister: not eveyone can vote
[21:19] <czajkowski> I'm really gonna have to explain to you how ubuntu works
[21:19] <czajkowski> only 6 of us are elected to do so
[21:19] <czajkowski> :)
[21:20] <mokmeister> ah, I see. Was only joking anyway.
[21:20] <tdr112> so we are looking for 4 votes then as czajkowski wont be voting i think
[21:21] <czajkowski> yes
[21:21] <moylan> anybody got bitcoins to slip the board? ;-)
[21:21] <theirishpenguin> ha ha
[21:22] <airurando> lol
[21:22] <mokmeister> hehehe
[21:22] <czajkowski> CIDER!!
[21:22] <moylan> apple juice actually. yummy!
[21:23] <infoturtle> sweet apple berry juice!!
[21:25] <tdr112> ok guy while we are all here , drinks next week in dublin with all the ubnutu people who will be in dublin
[21:25] <tdr112> next wed 8pm
[21:25] <tdr112> 29th Porterhouse on Nassau Street
[21:26] <ebel> that's with the canonical people?
[21:26] <tdr112> i will email the list with all the details
[21:26] <moynihan> open invite?
[21:26] <infoturtle> :c won't be able to go
[21:26] <tdr112> ebel: yep around 200 people will be over for a few days and we are meeting some of them
[21:27] <ebel> kewl
[21:28] <czajkowski> aye
[21:28] <czajkowski> tis one of the larger sprints
[21:28] <tdr112> i wonder are any of the sessions open to the public
[21:30] <czajkowski> it's mostly coding and working on stuff they've worked on at uds
[21:30] <czajkowski> going down through blue prints
[21:30] <czajkowski> you could ask
[21:31] <tdr112> i am doing notting next week , would be cool alright
[21:33] <czajkowski> I really should have had a propper dinner before this
[21:33] <czajkowski> starving
[21:33] <czajkowski> fan on trying to cool the place down
[21:33] <tdr112> are you some where hot ?
[21:35] <czajkowski> london
[21:35] <czajkowski> roasting
[21:36] <tdr112> not a bit of sun here
[21:39] <infoturtle> loads of sun here!!
[21:40] <mokmeister> for now, infoturtle, for now.... ;)
[21:45] <airurando> ebel get your game face on
[21:46] <mokmeister> oooh, not a good result for the philipines...
[21:46]  * ebel psyches himself up
[21:46] <airurando> go ebel go
[21:46] <tdr112> go team ubuntu-ie
[21:46] <infoturtle> mon ebel!
[21:46] <ebel> wait, me? I'm doing it? surely we're all doing it.
[21:46] <moylan> rah rah rah!
[21:46] <ebel> ah well, feck it, let's go
[21:47] <moylan> hands ebel blindfold and cigarette ;-)
[21:47] <infoturtle> we'll all chip in if we can
[21:47] <tdr112> its on
[21:47] <theirishpenguin> we're up!
[21:48] <airurando> start shouting lads
[21:48] <czajkowski> :D
[21:49] <asoktheintern> :)
[21:49] <czajkowski> asoktheintern: aloha
[21:49] <asoktheintern> czajkowski: Been keeping an eye on the mailing lists for a while now, but have always been busy for meetings..
[21:50] <czajkowski> at least you made it to this one
[21:50] <czajkowski> asoktheintern: you need to join #ubuntu-meeting
[21:57] <moylan> huzzah!
[21:57] <asoktheintern> Yay
[21:57] <mokmeister> Woohoo!
[21:57] <moynihan> well done folks
[21:57] <jpich> yay
[21:57] <mokmeister> Time to break out the Champagne! :D
[21:57] <moylan> nice one ebel!
[21:57] <infoturtle> well done ebel, handled it well
[21:57] <ebel> yay!
[21:57] <airurando> brilliant
[21:58] <theirishpenguin> Great work ebel and co!
[21:58] <mokmeister> Indeed, well done.
[21:58] <ebel> (note to self, control-q very easy to hit)
[21:58] <tdr112> all done
[21:58] <airurando> congrats everyone
[21:58] <mokmeister> Cool under fiire!
[21:58] <ebel> thanks everyone
[21:58] <airurando> yes well done ebel
[21:58] <tdr112> jpich: you can use irc , wow
[21:58] <czajkowski> whooo
[21:58] <czajkowski> :D
[21:58] <czajkowski> wel done
[21:58] <czajkowski> best application by far
[21:58] <czajkowski> :D
[21:59] <jpich> tdr112: Only for special occasions
[21:59] <theirishpenguin> That was the Rory McIlroy of Ubuntu Loco applications!
[21:59] <ebel> :D
[21:59] <fagan> crap
[21:59] <tdr112> jpich: stay around
[21:59] <fagan> I missed the entire meeting
[21:59] <fagan> congrats :)
[22:00] <infoturtle> poor fagan
[22:00] <ebel> well, we got it
[22:00] <czajkowski> fagan: you missed it
[22:00] <czajkowski> you fecker!
[22:00] <fagan> czajkowski: yeah was at a friends house after work and god side tracked
[22:00] <fagan> :/
[22:01] <fagan> Got in just there now
[22:01] <tdr112> fagan: not to worry , are you up in dublin next week
[22:01] <fagan> tdr112: what for?
[22:01] <jpich> tdr112: We'll see how long the hotel wifi stays up :-)
[22:01] <czajkowski> sprint
[22:01] <czajkowski> u1 isn't platform
[22:02] <fagan> czajkowski: well we are just not in the platform sprint
[22:02] <tdr112> fagan: there is a sprint on
[22:02] <fagan> tdr112: nope we had a sprint 2 weeks ago
[22:02] <fagan> was very good
[22:02] <fagan> :)
[22:03] <tdr112> ah ok , how are you getting on working for them
[22:03] <fagan> tdr112: good good they are all very nice and the work is simple enough for the moment
[22:03] <czajkowski> canonical now have 2 irish interns :)
[22:03] <fagan> been trying to get a grip with all of the code base is a bit hard I suppose
[22:04] <fagan> czajkowski: yeah he emailed me before
[22:04] <fagan> well isnt he on work experience?
[22:04] <tdr112> so he is not an interns
[22:05] <fagan> tdr112: well its still impressive
[22:06] <czajkowski> work experience/internship/coop are all the same words really
[22:06] <fagan> czajkowski: length of time really
[22:06] <tdr112> i dont know what the different is
[22:06] <tdr112> ah ok
[22:06] <fagan> czajkowski: and mine is for college credits
[22:06] <czajkowski> varies from 6-9 months
[22:07] <tdr112> cool
[22:07] <czajkowski> fagan: so is it dcu and UL
[22:07] <czajkowski> it is for most colleges
[22:07] <fagan> work experince is a bit shorter
[22:07] <czajkowski> not gonna argue
[22:07] <czajkowski> :)
[22:07] <fagan> there is a bit of a difference but still its in the family
[22:07] <czajkowski> you're missing the point
[22:07] <czajkowski> it's just a word
[22:08] <fagan> I was agreeing I just was saying there is a bit of a difference
[22:15] <czajkowski> tdr112: airurando word of warning
[22:15] <czajkowski> I'm back for 1 week in July
[22:16] <czajkowski> ie in reaching distance of ye
[22:16] <czajkowski> get your application in for membership!!!!!!!
[22:17] <airurando> gulp!
[22:17] <czajkowski> so glad we're on the same page
[22:17] <czajkowski> :)
[22:17]  * moylan pushes hand cart into room
[22:17] <tdr112> i sign the coc its a start
[22:17] <tdr112> signed
[22:17] <moylan> get your helmets here.  going cheap!
[22:20] <mokmeister> ok, good night all, well done with the reapproval once again.
[22:31] <airurando> sent a rather jubilant e-mail to the list regarding reapproval.
[22:32] <airurando> I'm delighted we were successful
[22:32] <czajkowski> :D
[22:32] <czajkowski> fantastic app
[22:32] <czajkowski> told ye
[22:32] <tdr112> its great
[22:32] <airurando> czajkowski: absolutely, you were soooo right
[22:33] <airurando> but right all along
[22:33] <airurando> ecmphasising team reports, pics et
[22:33] <airurando> *etc
[22:33] <airurando> it all makes perfect sense now
[22:34] <airurando> *emphasising
[22:34] <airurando> must dash
[22:34] <airurando> talk tomorrow
[22:34] <airurando> night all
[22:35] <czajkowski> pics make our lives easy
[22:35] <czajkowski> team reports we love
[22:38] <jpich> 'night people
[22:39] <tdr112> see ya
[22:51] <sidetap> hi
[22:52] <theirishpenguin> congrats! off to bed
[22:53] <sidetap> whats happening over there in ireland?
[22:58] <moylan> just had our loco reapproved
[23:03] <sidetap> just had our loco reapproved?
[23:03] <sidetap> loco?
[23:04] <sidetap> uh pub?