[10:40] <fta> dpm, \o/  i now have the chromium desktop file with the unity quicklist translated in 30 langs
[10:40] <fta> 32 more to go
[10:41] <fta> chrisccoulson, how many langpacks do you have for ff/tb?
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> fta - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox.head/view/head:/debian/locales.shipped
[10:43] <chrisccoulson> 78 by the look of that
[10:44] <fta> good, i'm just at 62
[10:44] <fta> even 61
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> you'll probably overtake me soon whilst firefox isn't translatable in launchpad ;)
[10:45] <fta> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/trunk/converter-output.html
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> although that's something i'm fixing, but in my spare time mostly
[10:48] <dpm> fta, great news!
[11:11] <fta> chrisccoulson, i wish someone worked on improving evo like you do for tb :P
[11:17] <fta> the evo api seems very limited, the spec is too obscure
[12:31] <chrisccoulson> m_conley_away, i started pushing changes here - https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/me-fixes
[12:31] <chrisccoulson> there's a few other things i want to fix before uploading (ie, making sure all of the visible strings are translated, and i also want to hide the account name if there is only a single account)
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> but it's working quite nicely atm
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> also, i need to limit the number of entries to 6, as per the spec
[13:23] <fta> chrisccoulson, it seems all my indicators stopped being updated since ~ a week ago. at least rhythmbox, the load indicator and a few others
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> fta - i've not noticed that yet. i guess it's time for me to upgrade again ;)
[13:23] <fta> they all display old frozen data
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> huh, thunderbird says i have 2 accounts, which is a lie. i only have 1!
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> i wonder what the second account is ;)
[13:24] <fta> i'm started to think i've upgraded to oneiric too early
[13:25] <fta> the bugs are piling up like crazy everywhere
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's definitely getting interesting
[13:27] <fta> interesting? i'd rather say alarming
[13:28] <fta> especially when i read "don't spend too much time on bug fixing early in the cycle"
[13:29] <fta> i can't even start unity-3d on my other box, it's been crashing on startup for a week, no one cares
[13:30] <fta> i guess i'll give gnome-shell another try
[14:56] <fta> ..or maybe i should move to mint
[15:17] <joelesko> Hello. I was wondering how packages should be maintained for the various releases of ubuntu.
[15:19] <joelesko> For seamonkey, I've been building the current Mozilla release in my ppa for all supported ubuntu releases.
[15:21] <joelesko> I'm using all releases back to lucid and wanted to make sure I had the patched version of seamonkey.
[15:22] <joelesko> Is that the way it should be maintained?
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley, how are you?
[16:34] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: good, and you?
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, good thanks
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, so, there is a bug in dbusmenu or libindicate somewhere which breaks the thunderbird indicator
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> (and every other indicator it seems, as well)
[16:36] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hrm - in what way?
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> i thought i was going crazy, because thunderbird keeps adding empty indicators to the menu
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> but i've just spoken to ted, and it seems that pidgin and liferea get the same thing too (and fta saw that with liferea too)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> so i don't think it's anything we're doing ;)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/broken-indicator.png
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> sorry about the massive screenshot ;)
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> it does that quite frequently though
[16:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hrm.  that's frustrating.  Have they narrowed down the problem?
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, not yet. i guess that will be my next task ;)
[16:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: the yaks continue to be shaved.  :)
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i guess that with your contacts work, we will get gmail contact support pretty much for free won't we? (via eds)
[16:48] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: yep!
[16:48] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: :D
[16:49] <m_conley> exclusively for Linux folk.  Hooray! :)
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> that's really good :)
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> i can't wait to be able to have my phone contacts syncable with thunderbird :)
[16:50] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I hope it works for you.  I'm starting write now.
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> awesome :)
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> d'uh, why didn't i think of that in the first place? i've been scratching my head this afternoon trying to figure out how to get notified when a user adds or removes an account in thunderbird
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> and i can just listen for changes in the mail.accountmanager.accounts pref!
[17:02] <chrisccoulson> simples :)
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe i didn't think of that in the first place
[17:03]  * chrisccoulson clearly needs more coffee
[17:26] <micahg> chrisccoulson: did we ditch the ubuntu start page for Firefox 5?
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> micahg, no, it should still be there
[17:26] <micahg> :(
[17:27] <micahg> ii  xul-ext-ubufox                        0.9.1-0ubuntu0.11.04.1            gives me the mozilla about:home :(
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> what locale?
[17:28] <micahg> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[17:28] <fta> hm, looks useful.. http://code.google.com/p/address-sanitizer/wiki/AddressSanitizer
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, it worked when i tested it :/
[17:29] <micahg> I remember it working before as well
[17:29]  * micahg checks error console
[17:29] <micahg> ah :(
[17:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I"m getting gSearchEngine is null in chrome://browser/content/aboutHome.js
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> micahg, do you have any other extensions installed?
[17:32] <micahg> global menu bar
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> wtf
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> that's a secondary error
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> aboutHome.js belongs to firefox. that code is only being executed because the home page is about:home
[17:34] <micahg> k
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> so, that's a red herring for the wrong start page
[17:35] <micahg> there's also trouble reading the manifest file for the default theme even though the theme is loaded
[17:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what's weirder is a clean profile works :(
[17:38] <micahg> at least on the local machine, trying in vm
[17:39] <micahg> double weird
[17:39] <micahg> in the VM on a new profile it's fine, in the default profile not
[17:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, here's how I reproduce, I tested before launching QRT it shows up fine, when I run through the QRT script, it doesn't
[17:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh, silly me, I forgot we now have 2 "home" pages...
[17:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, false alarm
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[17:47] <micahg> I haven't tested enough on natty yet to remember that :-/
[17:52] <fta> chrisccoulson, did you upgrade recently?
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> fta - not since last week
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i will do later tonight
[17:54] <fta> just wanted to know if you were able to complete the upgrade
[17:54] <fta> i'm not
[17:54] <fta> for about a week now
[18:03] <fta> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:03] <fta>   gnome-panel gnome-panel-data libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx mesa-common-dev
[18:04] <fta>   libgl1-mesa-glx: Breaks: nvidia-current but 275.09.07-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[18:04] <fta>   gnome-panel: Breaks: libpanel-applet-3-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is installed.
[18:04] <fta>                Breaks: libpanel-applet2-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is installed.
[18:04] <fta>                Breaks: python-gnomeapplet but 2.32.0-0ubuntu3 is installed.
[18:04] <Omega`> how should I install fx5 on natty?
[18:04] <Omega`> is it in a ppa of ours?
[18:04] <micahg> Omega`: wait for me to push it to -security :)
[18:04] <Omega`> ah :)
[18:04] <micahg> fta: are you doing a dist-upgrade?
[18:04] <Omega`> very well!
[18:04] <micahg> Omega`: I'm running some final tests, should be some time today
[18:38] <Pici> Heya folks.  I hear that Firefox 5 is currently building.  Will 10.10 and 10.04 need to use a PPA to get it, or will it be landing in the same method as 11.04?
[18:40] <Pici> i.e. via security updates.
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> Pici, you'll need to use a PPA
[18:47] <Pici> chrisccoulson: Thanks.  I'll update ubottu accordingly.
[18:47] <chrisccoulson> i've no idea when it will finish building, the lack of builders is a serious bottleneck at the moment
[18:48] <Pici> Thats fine.  I just want some info to throw at users who will inevitably start asking soon.
[19:16]  * chrisccoulson bangs head against wall
[19:17] <chrisccoulson> i've just spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure out why my label in the messaging indicator doesn't update when i try to change it in thunderbird, thinking that i'm doing something wrong again
[19:17] <chrisccoulson> and it turns out the indicator just doesn't update. i have to restart the indicator service for it to update
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> why do i always end up exposing all of these sorts of bugs in ubuntu? ;)
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, how do you think we should handle the limit of 6 indicator entries in thunderbird? (ie, what do you think we should do if we get more than 6?)
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> (the 6 comes from the spec btw)
[19:29] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: mmhmm - I remember that limit
[19:29]  * m_conley thinks
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> at the moment, we just ignore it :)
[19:29] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: how did Evolution solve that?
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, it doesn't. but then, it only shows an indicator for the inbox associated with each account
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> (which isn't what the spec says you should do)
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> so you would only get 6 in evo if you have 6 accounts
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i was thinking of collapsing the indicators down in to per-account indicators, rather than per-folder (and then just combining the counts)
[19:31] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: yes - that would greatly simplify things
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll take a look at that this evening then :)
[19:32] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: k, thanks. :)
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, did you see what i'd done so far?
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> i've pushed everything here atm: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/me-fixes
[19:33] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh, awesome - looking forward to merge requests.  :)  (and figuring out how to deal with merge requests with bzr / Lp...)
[19:33] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh yes, that's much better
[19:35] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: some good fixes / improvements in there.  :)
[19:35] <m_conley> thanks for polishing my crappy code.  ;)
[19:35] <chrisccoulson> heh, i've enjoyed working on it :)
[19:36] <chrisccoulson> and it's been a bit of a learning curve, having not really done much with thunderbird before
[19:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: and new stuff with jsctypes too - callbacks and whatnot
[19:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it was very satisfying to figure out js callbacks.  :)
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's been interesting :)
[19:49] <fta> !ddeb
[19:49] <ubot2> Factoid 'ddeb' not found
[19:49] <fta> !dbgsym
[19:49] <ubot2> dbgsym is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[21:38] <fta> chrisccoulson, the messaging menu is totally broken, i get the blue envelope, but all counters are stuck at 0
[21:38] <fta> (with evo)
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i keep finding bugs whilst i'm working on the thunderbird integration too
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> it's a pain, because i have to spend time figuring out if it's a tbird issue or not ;)
[21:39] <fta> it used to work though
[21:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not sure why it's so broken atm
[21:57] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:07] <fta> oh my, the notifications regressed too
[22:08] <fta> now they appear on top of fullscreen gl games, and block them
[22:08] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:09] <fta> how i can i frag in those conditions
[22:09] <BUGabundo> aahahaahahahahah
[22:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: would you happen to know offhand how to test webfav?
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> you need to install the old netbook edition. it only works with that
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> you're not going to find anybody to test that tbh
[22:42] <micahg> so why do we have it in natty?
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> but the extension is like, 10 lines of code isn't it, and using interfaces which haven't changed since the beginning of time ;)
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> because the old netbook shell is still in the archive
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> it was used for the arm guys until we got unity-2d
[22:43] <micahg> ah, ok, would you know offhand which package?
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure, i've never used it before
[22:45] <micahg> k, I'll hunt for it
[22:45] <micahg> mozvoikko looks fine though
[22:45] <asac> webfav adds a launcher item for a webpage afair ;)
[22:45] <micahg> asac: right, but only to the old shell, so to test it, I have to install the old shell :)
[22:45] <asac> was used by oem at some point
[22:46] <asac> hmm
[22:46] <asac> doesnt it just create a .desktop file?
[22:46] <micahg> ugh, I have to test on armel :)
[22:46] <micahg> :(
[22:46] <asac> no
[22:47] <asac> or is hte launcher removed on x86?
[22:47] <asac> should work on both
[22:47]  * micahg hunts for a .desktop file
[22:47] <BUGabundo> oh look, its asac
[22:47] <asac> iirc it was not really arm
[22:47] <BUGabundo> long time no see
[22:47] <asac> it was just unr
[22:47] <micahg> asac: the netbook-meta package is only on arm in natty
[22:47] <asac> heh
[22:47] <asac> right ... but i guess you can still install it on x86 somehow
[22:47] <asac> like ubuntu-netbook-edition
[22:47] <micahg> yeah, I don't see any ..desktop files
[22:48] <micahg> This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu Netbook system for
[22:48] <micahg>  armel. Note that Ubuntu Netbook Edition doesn't exist anymore for other
[22:48] <micahg>  architectures, as unity and many applications now handles different
[22:48] <micahg>  screensize themselves.
[22:49]  * micahg guesses we should've convered it to arch:armel for natty...
[22:49] <micahg> *converted
[22:49] <asac> seems to save /tmp/webfav
[22:49] <asac> seems to save /tmp/webfav/*.desktop
[22:50] <micahg> ah indeed
[22:50] <micahg> that seems silly
[22:50] <asac> feels really like oem super magic ;)
[22:50] <asac> someone probably added a hack to monitor that dictory and then make something with that
[22:50] <micahg> ok, let me see what to do about it
[22:51] <micahg> I forgot I have xubuntu on my arm netbook, so I can't even test it there :(
[22:51] <asac> well... talk to stevenk or someone from oem team if they remember
[22:51] <asac> i guess it can be killed
[22:52] <asac> chickencutlass
[22:52] <asac> less?
[22:52] <asac> not sure
[22:52] <asac> mfrey basically ;)
[22:53] <asac> micahg: if you just want to test check if the .desktop file is created at the plcae i mentioned
[22:53] <micahg> asac: yeah, it's there with the correct URL, that's considered a good check?
[22:55] <asac> feels like it ... i doubt though that there are any special consumers still ;)
[22:55] <asac> you should reall yfind out if this shouldnt be removed
[22:55] <micahg> yeah, we'll do that for oneiric, I guess I can ask if we need to keep bumping compatibility for future firefox versions as well
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> we'll need to bump it for every single release
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> m_conley_away, i hit some issues with the indicator-collapsing idea, so i implemented the 6 limit a bit differently
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> the commit message explains why - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/me-fixes/revision/48
[22:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that means a USN for each release and if no one is using it, I'd rather not
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg, well, i have to bump it for every release, unless you've got another suggestion on how i can make it work without doing that ;)
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> asac!
[23:00] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[23:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg, although, i guess hardly anyone uses webfav. i hope it's not blocking the firefox update ;)
[23:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, won't block, just a question of pushing the extension out now or not
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg, there's no reason not to. it's just a compatibility version bump, and the interfaces it uses haven't changed (and are unlikely to change tbh)