=== asac_ is now known as asac [10:40] dpm, \o/ i now have the chromium desktop file with the unity quicklist translated in 30 langs [10:40] 32 more to go [10:41] chrisccoulson, how many langpacks do you have for ff/tb? [10:43] fta - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox.head/view/head:/debian/locales.shipped [10:43] 78 by the look of that [10:44] good, i'm just at 62 [10:44] even 61 [10:45] you'll probably overtake me soon whilst firefox isn't translatable in launchpad ;) [10:45] http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/trunk/converter-output.html [10:45] although that's something i'm fixing, but in my spare time mostly [10:48] fta, great news! [11:11] chrisccoulson, i wish someone worked on improving evo like you do for tb :P [11:17] the evo api seems very limited, the spec is too obscure [12:31] m_conley_away, i started pushing changes here - https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/me-fixes [12:31] there's a few other things i want to fix before uploading (ie, making sure all of the visible strings are translated, and i also want to hide the account name if there is only a single account) [12:32] but it's working quite nicely atm [12:36] also, i need to limit the number of entries to 6, as per the spec [13:23] chrisccoulson, it seems all my indicators stopped being updated since ~ a week ago. at least rhythmbox, the load indicator and a few others [13:23] fta - i've not noticed that yet. i guess it's time for me to upgrade again ;) [13:23] they all display old frozen data [13:24] huh, thunderbird says i have 2 accounts, which is a lie. i only have 1! [13:24] i wonder what the second account is ;) [13:24] i'm started to think i've upgraded to oneiric too early [13:25] the bugs are piling up like crazy everywhere [13:26] yeah, it's definitely getting interesting [13:27] interesting? i'd rather say alarming [13:28] especially when i read "don't spend too much time on bug fixing early in the cycle" [13:29] i can't even start unity-3d on my other box, it's been crashing on startup for a week, no one cares [13:30] i guess i'll give gnome-shell another try === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:56] ..or maybe i should move to mint [15:17] Hello. I was wondering how packages should be maintained for the various releases of ubuntu. [15:19] For seamonkey, I've been building the current Mozilla release in my ppa for all supported ubuntu releases. [15:21] I'm using all releases back to lucid and wanted to make sure I had the patched version of seamonkey. [15:22] Is that the way it should be maintained? [16:34] hi m_conley, how are you? [16:34] chrisccoulson: good, and you? [16:34] m_conley, yeah, good thanks [16:36] m_conley, so, there is a bug in dbusmenu or libindicate somewhere which breaks the thunderbird indicator [16:36] (and every other indicator it seems, as well) [16:36] chrisccoulson: hrm - in what way? [16:36] i thought i was going crazy, because thunderbird keeps adding empty indicators to the menu [16:37] but i've just spoken to ted, and it seems that pidgin and liferea get the same thing too (and fta saw that with liferea too) [16:37] so i don't think it's anything we're doing ;) [16:42] m_conley, http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/broken-indicator.png [16:42] sorry about the massive screenshot ;) [16:43] it does that quite frequently though [16:43] chrisccoulson: hrm. that's frustrating. Have they narrowed down the problem? [16:43] m_conley, not yet. i guess that will be my next task ;) [16:43] chrisccoulson: the yaks continue to be shaved. :) [16:44] heh [16:48] m_conley, i guess that with your contacts work, we will get gmail contact support pretty much for free won't we? (via eds) [16:48] chrisccoulson: yep! [16:48] chrisccoulson: :D [16:49] exclusively for Linux folk. Hooray! :) [16:49] that's really good :) [16:49] i can't wait to be able to have my phone contacts syncable with thunderbird :) [16:50] chrisccoulson: I hope it works for you. I'm starting write now. [16:50] awesome :) [17:02] d'uh, why didn't i think of that in the first place? i've been scratching my head this afternoon trying to figure out how to get notified when a user adds or removes an account in thunderbird [17:02] and i can just listen for changes in the mail.accountmanager.accounts pref! [17:02] simples :) [17:03] i can't believe i didn't think of that in the first place [17:03] * chrisccoulson clearly needs more coffee [17:26] chrisccoulson: did we ditch the ubuntu start page for Firefox 5? [17:26] micahg, no, it should still be there [17:26] :( [17:27] ii xul-ext-ubufox 0.9.1-0ubuntu0.11.04.1 gives me the mozilla about:home :( [17:27] what locale? [17:28] LANG=en_US.UTF-8 [17:28] hm, looks useful.. http://code.google.com/p/address-sanitizer/wiki/AddressSanitizer [17:28] hmmm, it worked when i tested it :/ [17:29] I remember it working before as well [17:29] * micahg checks error console [17:29] ah :( [17:31] chrisccoulson: I"m getting gSearchEngine is null in chrome://browser/content/aboutHome.js [17:32] micahg, do you have any other extensions installed? [17:32] global menu bar [17:33] wtf [17:34] that's a secondary error [17:34] aboutHome.js belongs to firefox. that code is only being executed because the home page is about:home [17:34] k [17:34] so, that's a red herring for the wrong start page [17:35] there's also trouble reading the manifest file for the default theme even though the theme is loaded [17:38] chrisccoulson: what's weirder is a clean profile works :( [17:38] at least on the local machine, trying in vm [17:39] double weird [17:39] in the VM on a new profile it's fine, in the default profile not === Guest72525 is now known as Omega` [17:45] chrisccoulson: ok, here's how I reproduce, I tested before launching QRT it shows up fine, when I run through the QRT script, it doesn't [17:46] chrisccoulson: oh, silly me, I forgot we now have 2 "home" pages... [17:47] chrisccoulson: so, false alarm [17:47] ;) [17:47] I haven't tested enough on natty yet to remember that :-/ [17:52] chrisccoulson, did you upgrade recently? [17:52] fta - not since last week [17:52] perhaps i will do later tonight [17:54] just wanted to know if you were able to complete the upgrade [17:54] i'm not [17:54] for about a week now [18:03] The following packages have been kept back: [18:03] gnome-panel gnome-panel-data libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx mesa-common-dev [18:04] libgl1-mesa-glx: Breaks: nvidia-current but 275.09.07-0ubuntu1 is installed. [18:04] gnome-panel: Breaks: libpanel-applet-3-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is installed. [18:04] Breaks: libpanel-applet2-0 but 1:2.32.1-0ubuntu6.5 is installed. [18:04] Breaks: python-gnomeapplet but 2.32.0-0ubuntu3 is installed. [18:04] how should I install fx5 on natty? [18:04] is it in a ppa of ours? [18:04] Omega`: wait for me to push it to -security :) [18:04] ah :) [18:04] fta: are you doing a dist-upgrade? [18:04] very well! [18:04] Omega`: I'm running some final tests, should be some time today [18:38] Heya folks. I hear that Firefox 5 is currently building. Will 10.10 and 10.04 need to use a PPA to get it, or will it be landing in the same method as 11.04? [18:40] i.e. via security updates. [18:47] Pici, you'll need to use a PPA [18:47] chrisccoulson: Thanks. I'll update ubottu accordingly. [18:47] i've no idea when it will finish building, the lack of builders is a serious bottleneck at the moment [18:48] Thats fine. I just want some info to throw at users who will inevitably start asking soon. [19:16] * chrisccoulson bangs head against wall [19:17] i've just spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure out why my label in the messaging indicator doesn't update when i try to change it in thunderbird, thinking that i'm doing something wrong again [19:17] and it turns out the indicator just doesn't update. i have to restart the indicator service for it to update [19:18] why do i always end up exposing all of these sorts of bugs in ubuntu? ;) [19:28] m_conley, how do you think we should handle the limit of 6 indicator entries in thunderbird? (ie, what do you think we should do if we get more than 6?) [19:29] (the 6 comes from the spec btw) [19:29] chrisccoulson: mmhmm - I remember that limit [19:29] * m_conley thinks [19:29] at the moment, we just ignore it :) [19:29] chrisccoulson: how did Evolution solve that? [19:30] m_conley, it doesn't. but then, it only shows an indicator for the inbox associated with each account [19:30] (which isn't what the spec says you should do) [19:30] so you would only get 6 in evo if you have 6 accounts [19:31] m_conley, i was thinking of collapsing the indicators down in to per-account indicators, rather than per-folder (and then just combining the counts) [19:31] chrisccoulson: yes - that would greatly simplify things [19:32] ok, i'll take a look at that this evening then :) [19:32] chrisccoulson: k, thanks. :) [19:32] m_conley, did you see what i'd done so far? [19:32] i've pushed everything here atm: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/me-fixes [19:33] chrisccoulson: oh, awesome - looking forward to merge requests. :) (and figuring out how to deal with merge requests with bzr / Lp...) [19:33] heh [19:35] chrisccoulson: oh yes, that's much better [19:35] chrisccoulson: some good fixes / improvements in there. :) [19:35] thanks for polishing my crappy code. ;) [19:35] heh, i've enjoyed working on it :) [19:36] and it's been a bit of a learning curve, having not really done much with thunderbird before [19:41] chrisccoulson: and new stuff with jsctypes too - callbacks and whatnot [19:42] chrisccoulson: it was very satisfying to figure out js callbacks. :) [19:42] yeah, that's been interesting :) [19:49] !ddeb [19:49] Factoid 'ddeb' not found [19:49] !dbgsym [19:49] dbgsym is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash [21:38] chrisccoulson, the messaging menu is totally broken, i get the blue envelope, but all counters are stuck at 0 [21:38] (with evo) [21:38] fta - yeah, i keep finding bugs whilst i'm working on the thunderbird integration too [21:39] it's a pain, because i have to spend time figuring out if it's a tbird issue or not ;) [21:39] it used to work though [21:39] yeah, i'm not sure why it's so broken atm === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand [21:57] evening [22:07] oh my, the notifications regressed too [22:08] now they appear on top of fullscreen gl games, and block them [22:08] :) [22:09] how i can i frag in those conditions [22:09] aahahaahahahahah === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:42] chrisccoulson: would you happen to know offhand how to test webfav? [22:42] you need to install the old netbook edition. it only works with that [22:42] you're not going to find anybody to test that tbh [22:42] so why do we have it in natty? [22:43] but the extension is like, 10 lines of code isn't it, and using interfaces which haven't changed since the beginning of time ;) [22:43] because the old netbook shell is still in the archive [22:43] it was used for the arm guys until we got unity-2d [22:43] ah, ok, would you know offhand which package? [22:44] i'm not sure, i've never used it before [22:45] k, I'll hunt for it [22:45] mozvoikko looks fine though [22:45] webfav adds a launcher item for a webpage afair ;) [22:45] asac: right, but only to the old shell, so to test it, I have to install the old shell :) [22:45] was used by oem at some point [22:46] hmm [22:46] doesnt it just create a .desktop file? [22:46] ugh, I have to test on armel :) [22:46] :( [22:46] no [22:47] or is hte launcher removed on x86? [22:47] should work on both [22:47] * micahg hunts for a .desktop file [22:47] oh look, its asac [22:47] iirc it was not really arm [22:47] long time no see [22:47] it was just unr [22:47] asac: the netbook-meta package is only on arm in natty [22:47] heh [22:47] right ... but i guess you can still install it on x86 somehow [22:47] like ubuntu-netbook-edition [22:47] yeah, I don't see any ..desktop files [22:48] This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu Netbook system for [22:48] armel. Note that Ubuntu Netbook Edition doesn't exist anymore for other [22:48] architectures, as unity and many applications now handles different [22:48] screensize themselves. [22:49] * micahg guesses we should've convered it to arch:armel for natty... [22:49] *converted [22:49] seems to save /tmp/webfav [22:49] seems to save /tmp/webfav/*.desktop [22:50] ah indeed [22:50] that seems silly [22:50] feels really like oem super magic ;) [22:50] someone probably added a hack to monitor that dictory and then make something with that [22:50] ok, let me see what to do about it [22:51] I forgot I have xubuntu on my arm netbook, so I can't even test it there :( [22:51] well... talk to stevenk or someone from oem team if they remember [22:51] i guess it can be killed [22:52] chickencutlass [22:52] less? [22:52] not sure [22:52] mfrey basically ;) [22:53] micahg: if you just want to test check if the .desktop file is created at the plcae i mentioned [22:53] asac: yeah, it's there with the correct URL, that's considered a good check? [22:55] feels like it ... i doubt though that there are any special consumers still ;) [22:55] you should reall yfind out if this shouldnt be removed [22:55] yeah, we'll do that for oneiric, I guess I can ask if we need to keep bumping compatibility for future firefox versions as well [22:57] we'll need to bump it for every single release [22:58] m_conley_away, i hit some issues with the indicator-collapsing idea, so i implemented the 6 limit a bit differently [22:58] the commit message explains why - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/me-fixes/revision/48 [22:58] chrisccoulson: that means a USN for each release and if no one is using it, I'd rather not [22:59] micahg, well, i have to bump it for every release, unless you've got another suggestion on how i can make it work without doing that ;) [23:00] asac! [23:00] how are you? [23:01] micahg, although, i guess hardly anyone uses webfav. i hope it's not blocking the firefox update ;) [23:02] chrisccoulson: no, won't block, just a question of pushing the extension out now or not [23:02] micahg, there's no reason not to. it's just a compatibility version bump, and the interfaces it uses haven't changed (and are unlikely to change tbh)