[00:05] <^robertj> is vlan0.0 a no-no?
[00:05] <^robertj> err br0.0
[00:06] <AndroidLoverInSF> i got postfix mail delievered to my maildir new folder alright. but when i type mail. it says i have no new mail. so what wrong and how to fix? ideas?
[00:10] <pmatulis> AndroidLoverInSF: well, evidently it's not looking for new mail in the right place
[00:11] <AndroidLoverInSF> im not a sysadmin. how to make it look in the right place
[00:14] <pmatulis> AndroidLoverInSF: i'm not sure, research it.  start with 'man mail'
[00:16] <greppy> AndroidLoverInSF: mail doesn't work with maildir, you might want to take a look at mutt to read mail in your maildir.
[00:19] <pmatulis> greppy: 'maildir' is all over *my* mail man page.  not sure which package is actually associated however
[00:19] <pmatulis> mailx?
[00:20] <pmatulis> i have heirloom-mailx package installed
[00:28] <AndroidLoverInSF> i used empathy to read it
[00:36] <AndroidLoverInSF> but now have problem sending mail.
[00:58] <deXire> hello :)
[00:59] <pmatulis> hello
[01:00] <deXire> I am new to Ubuntu server. I created a directory and set the CHMOD according to some tutorial, now I can access the web pages within that directory but only from within the server, I can't access them from any other computer
[01:01] <deXire> so, what's the problem ?
[01:11] <SpamapS> deXire: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[01:11] <SpamapS> deXire: that may be of help
[01:15] <deXire> it's not about apache, it's about te CHMOD code
[01:15] <deXire> I guess I don't know the one that allows access from other computers
[01:18] <kexman> hello ubuntu people
[01:18] <kexman> i run into a problem and wanted to ask if maybe someone knows a fix for it
[01:19] <kexman> i would like to use my phone as a usb2net adapter
[01:19] <kexman> its smart enough to make a nat and provide me internet using 3g or wifi
[01:19] <kexman> this worked as "plug and net" on system rescue cd
[01:20] <kexman> could this feature be someone be used on ubuntu-server ? its already installed everything is in place i booted it
[01:22] <twb> The only difference between desktop and server versions of Ubuntu is which packages are installed.
[01:23] <twb> If you can isolate which packages were providing you that functionality on the "system rescue cd", you can install them.
[01:23] <kexman> twb: how if i dont have net ? :P
[01:23] <kexman> maybe its on the cd ?
[01:23] <twb> sneakernet
[01:23] <kexman> hmm is it ? :) how did you found it ?
[01:24] <twb> No, "sneakernet" means you carry data from one place to another by walking instead of by data cable
[01:24] <kexman> twb: lol :)) haha okay
[01:24] <twb> e.g. on a usb key
[01:24] <kexman> twb: you know what :) ill just make my b43 work with wpa_supplicant :P
[01:25] <kexman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136 yay for guides and tuts :P
[01:25]  * kexman is lazy
[01:25] <twb> Yes, well, broadcom are an enemy of your freedom
[01:25] <kexman> twb: nah its recognized
[01:25] <kexman> twb: you dont know how broadcom used to be :P
[01:25] <twb> Then it's just a normal wpa_supplicant setup.
[01:25] <kexman> bcm43 ndis b43legacy etc ....  pita compared to how you do it now :)
[01:25] <twb> kexman: I have twenty b43 routers...
[01:25] <kexman> twb: yes :)
[01:26] <twb> And you don't get NDIS on MIPS
[01:26] <kexman> twb: but image booting sysresc no wifi ... eeergh ... plug in phone connected to wifi = wow it works :)
[01:26] <kexman> twb: no you dont :P
[01:26] <kexman> there is wl :P
[01:26] <kexman> there used to be before b43 i guess
[01:26] <kexman> dunno not running my old openwrt linksys wrl54gl anymore
[01:26] <twb> kexman: that post you linked to is ridiculous
[01:26] <kexman> that was pretty cool :) putting openvpn and stuff like that on 4mb :P
[01:27] <kexman> twb: ridicoulous how ?
[01:27] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/120507/
[01:27] <kexman>  4. as the PSK is clear text, be sure to:
[01:27] <kexman> why not hash it ?
[01:28] <kexman> 1st line of what i posted does that , btw thanks :P
[01:28] <twb> kexman: because I'm lazy and it means I can look it up there later to give to someone else :-)
[01:29] <kexman> you know what i dont want hashed psk :P
[01:30] <kexman> know why ? :)
[01:30] <kexman> dont have gpm :P lol
[01:32] <kexman> baaah
[01:32] <kexman> firmware file ... blahb lahb not found
[01:32] <kexman> grrrr
[01:32] <kexman> hate it hate it , use phone via usb = love it love it :D
[01:33] <twb> gpm is for mice
[01:33] <twb> You seriously can't copy things without a mouse?
[01:33] <kexman> twb: give me net :)
[01:33] <kexman> twb: serious not what is posted on the console ... no ssh
[01:33] <twb> screen has copy and paste with ^[
[01:33] <kexman> yeah blame it on my lack of sed and such
[01:33] <kexman> huhhh
[01:33] <kexman> need to learn more about that :)
[01:34] <kexman> bah my screen usage is minimal ... still cant leave my terminal without it :D
[01:34] <kexman> screen usage minimial = knowledge of how to use it :P keep forgetting shortcuts :P
[01:36] <twb> Sounds like you need to print out a reference card and pin it over your desk
[01:36] <twb> Next to the nudie calendar
[01:36] <kexman> twb: btw should i had installed 10.04.2 ? im using 10.04 lts from the main site. but now i found out about : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/lucid/daily/current/
[01:37] <twb> The third dot just means some security updates are already applied
[01:37] <twb> *third number
[01:37] <kexman> twb: ah , tought its more feature rich :P like make wifi work out of the box even for b43 users :P
[01:38] <twb> I suppose it also has -updates applied to it, so IN THEORY it might fix a b43 issue, but that is unlikely.
[01:39] <kexman> twb: sneakernet it shall be
[01:41] <kexman> oh wow
[01:41] <kexman> another great thing happened :(
[01:41] <kexman> plugged in my usb and it says unable to enumerate usb device on port 1
[01:42] <twb> Maybe should have done that first?
[01:42] <kexman> well i have windows on the other machine and that cant see my usb neither ... umf
[01:43] <kexman> but before that i just had booted from it and was running superbly :) just a very unclean mount
[01:43] <twb> Uhuh.
[01:43] <kexman> but clearly here the problem is not an unclean mount
[01:43] <kexman> but something else imho
[01:43] <twb> Perhaps the phone's USB socket is not in gadget mode
[01:44] <kexman> yay sdb is there :P plugged it into another socket :) crazy pc parts :P
[01:44] <kexman> yweah unplugged the phone as well
[01:45] <kexman> the thing is now i look at my installation and it uses 727 mb-s and i cant use my network :P lol
[01:45] <kexman> now i dont have a console mouse :P
[01:45] <kexman> nor i dont have any cigarettes baaah :)
[01:46] <kexman> also fdisk says partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundry :)
[01:46] <kexman> i have sda1 = /boot = primary + sda2 = extended + sda5 = linux LVM
[01:47] <kexman> all done by the install
[01:47] <kexman> whats that complaint about fdisk saying that part1 does not end on cylinder boundry ? twb any idea abot that ?
[01:47] <twb> Ignore that, fdisk is stupid.
[01:47] <kexman> haha
[01:47] <twb> Use gparted.
[01:47] <kexman> heared that before :P
[01:47] <twb> Er, GNU parted.
[01:47] <twb> gparted is the lame GUI
[01:47] <kexman> which is of course not installed into the 777 mb :P
[01:48] <kexman> what do i get for 777 mb ?
[01:48] <twb> NFI
[01:48] <kexman> i didnt select any package
[01:48] <kexman> dont even tell me about that
[01:48]  * kexman found tobacco ... 
[01:48] <twb> If grep-dctrl is installed, you can ask it.
[01:48] <twb> grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd "  \n" | sort -n
[01:48] <twb> That will list installed packages by size.
[01:49] <kexman> no grep-status for me
[01:50] <twb> About 128MB will be kernel, another 200MB is ubuntu-minimal, and perhaps another 300MB for ubuntu-standard.
[01:50] <twb> That comes to 628MB, which is roughly what you said.  The remained might be /var/cache/apt/archives or similar.
[01:50] <kexman> onestly i hate top :P would like to see htop there instead :)
[01:51] <twb> File a bug report, then
[01:51] <kexman> minimal and standard dont contain what i need
[01:51] <kexman> :)
[01:51] <kexman> but i think im going to go minimal
[01:51] <kexman> and plug that damn cable :P
[01:51] <kexman> pitaaa
[01:51] <kexman> lazyness ftw :P
[01:52] <kexman> twb: okay not going to cry anymore about this, going to fix it :)
[01:52] <twb> That 300MB figure was too high; it includes some extra things like git and openssl blacklists.
[01:52] <kexman> ohh yayy fsck.vat /dev/sdb1 = long list + asking copy original to back ? copy backup to iriginal ? no action ? :) lol
[01:53] <kexman> i never used fsck.vat
[01:58] <kexman> twb: looky looky what i see in dmesg when pluggin in the phone under sysresc : rndis_host : usb0 balh blah mac address rndis device :)
[01:58] <kexman> so its something rndis stuff never header about that :P but it must be that
[01:59] <twb> I've stopped caring
[02:00] <kexman> lol :))))
[02:00] <kexman> twb: im downloading the fw and making wifi work on the laptop
[02:02] <sparc> Hmm is there a reason why dpkg might not be able to install a file, from a package?
[02:02] <sparc> error creating directory `./etc/vx/VxICS': No such file or directory
[02:02] <sparc> but since dpkg was running as root, i would think it would create it
[02:05] <sparc> n/m, my mistake in a control file.  sorry about that.
[02:12] <kexman> rndis ftw :D done :D fwcutter did the job :) in chroot :P
[02:13] <kexman> and thanks to you now twb i already have an ip on wlan0 ;) thanks a lot for that very short wpa_suppl setup :)
[02:19] <duli> I'm getting this when trying to install pecl xdiff. http://paste.ubuntu.com/630140/ What am I missing?
[02:19] <twb> kexman: you're welcome
[02:33] <twb> Yay, data loss
[02:34] <twb> When you replace collectd with an out-of-band copy and then "dpkg -P collectd-core", it deletes your databases
[02:34] <twb> Without asking
[02:36] <kexman> lol
[02:36] <kexman> twb: backup ?
[02:37] <twb> It deleted my backups, too
[02:38] <twb> Well, it deleted one layer of my backups.  I still have some offsite.
[02:41] <kexman> yay im on 10.04.2 already
[02:41] <kexman> with working wifi :D
[02:51] <kexman> why does virtualbox need kde stuff ?
[02:51] <kexman> ohh
[02:54] <qman__> pulling my hair out over this broken zoneminder
[02:55] <kexman> i followed this Debian-based Linux distributions on www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[02:55] <qman__> really wish there was a manual export function
[02:55] <qman__> poorly written web interfaces strike again
[02:58] <kexman> could anyone tell me why ubuntu needs to install a full blown kde to my box when i asked only for virtualbox ? :)
[02:59] <qman__> kexman, because virtualbox is not a headless software
[02:59] <qman__> and therefore requires X and all the bits that go with it
[02:59] <kexman> not that right now i have any problems with it , nice shiny kde yay :P was lazy to pull it :) got it anyway :p thanks :P but if id like to do this without x ?
[02:59] <kexman> aha qman__ hmm
[02:59] <kexman> qman__: soo even for not OSE virtualbox i need kde / x ?
[03:00] <qman__> unless they have a headless version now, but I don't think they do
[03:00] <qman__> if you want to run a virtual server, suggest KVM or vmware
[03:00] <kexman> qman__: there is this deb file http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/virtualbox-4.0_4.0.8-71778~Ubuntu~lucid_i386.deb
[03:00] <kexman> qman__: well id like to use virtualbox right now and no support for kvm :P
[03:01] <qman__> virtualbox is a desktop virtualization software
[03:01] <qman__> it's not designed to be run that way, so it depends on the GUI
[03:02] <kexman> qman__: how can i remove virtualbox and all its dependencys ?
[03:02] <kexman> would kde be removed then ?
[03:02] <qman__> yes
[03:02] <kexman> :(
[03:02] <qman__> apt-get purge virtualbox if you installed it that way
[03:02] <kexman> and thats it ?
[03:03] <qman__> then apt-get autoremove
[03:03] <kexman> that will wipe out everything that it has done ? no cruft remains ?
[03:03] <kexman> aha
[03:03] <kexman> okay that 2 and thats it ?
[03:03] <qman__> yes
[03:03] <kexman> would the install files still remain if i wish to install again ?
[03:03] <qman__> yes
[03:03] <qman__> in /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:03] <qman__> until you apt-get clean
[03:03] <kexman> thank you
[03:04] <kexman> byebye kde
[03:04] <kexman> im stress testing my hdd :P
[03:05] <qman__> sorry if I'm coming off rude, I'm just frustrated
[03:05] <qman__> been trying to fix broken PHP for the last three hours to no avail
[03:05] <kexman> qman__: nah mah your helping out a lot really
[03:05] <kexman> !!
[03:05] <kexman> qman__: php is the devil :P
[03:06] <MrPPS> qman__: broken php app, or php itself?
[03:06] <kexman> it bites your 4$$
[03:06] <qman__> php app, zoneminder
[03:06] <qman__> 1.24.1 on ubuntu 9.10, old and unsupported
[03:06] <qman__> need to get some video out of it, so I can't just upgrade willy nilly
[03:07] <kexman> Linux mobile 2.6.32-28-generic-pae #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 22:34:08 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:07] <kexman> hmm kernel seemsa bit old :)
[03:07] <qman__> only three versions
[03:08] <qman__> you're running lucid, right?
[03:08] <twb> http://bugs.debian.org/631167
[03:08] <kexman> qman__: 10.04.2 lts
[03:08] <qman__> yeah
[03:09] <qman__> that will stay 2.6.32
[03:09] <qman__> there's a few updates though, apt-get dist-upgrade to get them
[03:09] <twb> kexman: .32 is what Debian 6, Ubuntu 10.04 and RHEL6 all ship, so it's a damn good release to target.
[03:10] <qman__> if you want newer versions, you'll have to go bleeding edge
[03:13] <twb> FSVO bleeding edge =  non-LTS release
[03:17] <kexman> qman__: then i wouldnt be staying on 10.04 lts if id do dist-upgrade
[03:17] <kexman> right ?
[03:17] <kexman> i want 10.04 lts :)
[03:17] <qman__> no
[03:17] <kexman> thinking that the most sturdy
[03:17] <qman__> it's misleading
[03:18] <qman__> upgrade only upgrades packages
[03:18] <kexman> qman__: so when would i want to do dist-upgrade ?
[03:18] <qman__> dist-upgrade upgrades packages and installs new packages
[03:18] <twb> kexman: it's easier to understand if you call them "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade", as aptitude does.
[03:18] <qman__> since the newer linux kernel is technically a new package, you need it
[03:18] <twb> safe-upgrade will not remove or install new packages; full-upgrade will do so if the upgrade requires it
[03:18] <qman__> to go off 10.04 you would need to 'do-release-upgrade', which is completely different
[03:19] <kexman> aha
[03:19] <twb> For example, if an upgrade will replace libfoo0 with libfoo1, only full-upgrade will do it, safe-upgrade will skip it.
[03:19] <kexman> well distupgrade does a kernel update from 32-28 to 32-32
[03:19] <kexman> so prolly ill take it :)
[03:19] <kexman> its not unsafe right ?
[03:19] <kexman> its still stable ?
[03:19] <qman__> yes
[03:19] <qman__> the reason for the differentiation is that it's possible to break some compatibility when changing packages like that
[03:19] <twb> If your primary concern is system stability, you should stick to LTS, safe-upgrade, and full-upgrade.
[03:20] <qman__> so said upgrades should only be done with the admin sitting in front of the box
[03:20] <twb> Yep
[03:20] <kexman> qman__: im doing that right now
[03:20] <qman__> so they can be undone if anything breaks
[03:20] <twb> For example I upgraded from 2.6.32-31 to 2.6.32-32 and my entire VM system was broken
[03:20] <kexman> twb: oooo
[03:20] <twb> And this happened on a sunday after a pwoer outage
[03:20] <kexman> not nice
[03:21] <qman__> typical systems don't have issues with them, but complicated setups or certain softwares can
[03:21] <qman__> so they don't get automatically selected
[03:22] <kexman> yay
[03:22] <kexman> lxde = very nice
[03:27] <twb> Certainly that failure was atypical, but it was fucking annoying and it was last week
[03:27] <twb> So I am still grumpy about it
[03:28] <qman__> I feel that
[03:28] <qman__> I now have to explain to a non-computer person why it's been four days and I still don't have his video
[03:30] <twb> qman__: lens cap was on
[03:30] <qman__> heh
[03:30] <qman__> I know it's in there, because I can view it through the java thing, but I can't get it out
[03:30] <twb> ugh, java
[03:30] <qman__> and since none of the fast forward/resize/pause functions actually work, it's fairly useless like that
[03:31] <twb> At least you don't have to deal with bloody video evidence programs
[03:32] <qman__> as bad as this is, it's still not as bad as the proprietary system my dad got
[03:33] <qman__> the videos from that won't play back on anything except the DVR, period
[03:33] <kexman> qman__: i just installed vbox binary without kde, yet to see how it works , will keep you posted
[03:34] <qman__> at least with this, if I put enough time into it, I will eventually get the videos out
[03:35] <kexman> qman__: hehe : VirtualBox: supR3HardenedMainGetTrustedMain: dlopen("/opt/VirtualBox/VirtualBox.so",) failed: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:36] <qman__> I tried just dropping the current web interface on, but that didn't work
[03:36] <qman__> complained about some external dependencies and broke some header functions
[03:36] <twb> kexman: vbox can FOAD; I recommend kvm (poss. w/libvirt for GUI)
[03:36] <kexman> FOAD ?
[03:37] <kexman> twb: no hw virtualization , all tough intel site claims that t2080 has it, it doesnt :( no bios switch neither , i checked
[03:37] <kexman> so no kvm for me
[03:37] <qman__> the expansion of that abbreviation is not permitted in this channel, suggest google, or the program 'wtf'
[03:38] <twb> kexman: kvm supports paravirtualization
[03:38] <twb> kexman: admittedly it's pretty slow
[03:38] <qman__> kvm needs VT, but the qemu engine doesn't
[03:38] <qman__> and now they're basically combined
[03:38] <twb> Right, sorry, I meant kvm-the-program (i.e. qemu), not kvm-the-kernel-module
[03:39] <qman__> but yes, it's very slow
[03:39] <twb> qman__: I noticed recently someone wrote a new userspace to replace qemu w/kvm
[03:39] <qman__> don't expect to do much
[03:39] <twb> Stupid oracle
[03:39] <qman__> nice
[03:39] <qman__> yeah, they ruined a lot of things
[03:40] <kexman> twb: i dont need sound for the vm-s anyway :)
[03:40] <kexman> ill be building server vm-s :)
[03:40] <kexman> no sound needed
[03:40] <kexman> vboxmanage works wonderfully without that
[03:41] <kexman> and the little X i need lxde gives it fully :)
[03:41] <twb> I wish httpd log file format was not so retarded
[03:41] <twb> Why are developers never smart enough to use RFC 3339?
[03:41] <qman__> I've been sifting through apache logs with my issue too
[03:41] <twb> kexman: if you are running X on a server you are doing it wrong
[03:41] <qman__> with about a 30-line URI
[03:41] <qman__> every other log line
[03:42] <twb> qman__: yuk
[03:42] <twb> qman__: one of the apps here, it includes an email body in the URL
[03:42] <twb> I cringe every time I see it
[03:42] <qman__> even without the ridiculous URI, it's far from human-readable
[03:43] <kexman> Successfully installed "Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack".
[03:43] <kexman> i love CLI :D
[03:46] <qman__> at this point I'm considering screencapping the java applet while it plays through
[03:46] <qman__> because it might actually take less time
[03:49] <twb> Yeah, you do that then run mplayer on the actual video URL
[03:49] <twb> BTDTBTTS
[04:34] <diorahman> 11.04 server is great?
[04:36] <twb> No, because it isn't LTS
[04:36] <twb> IMO avoid non-LTS releases for any production (or at least mission-critical) systems
[04:39] <amero> what's the next lts?
[04:39] <kexman> 10.04.3 ? :P
[04:39] <twb> May 2012
[04:40] <twb> Er, April?
[04:40] <twb> Whatever the fourth month is
[04:42] <robbiew> 12.04 is the next LTS
[04:47] <kexman> twb: its easy if you remember the 3rd one :P
[05:08] <josePhoenix> Can I upgrade from a non-LTS release to an LTS release?
[05:08] <josePhoenix> I'm considering using a more recent release and then upgrading to the next LTS release before I graduate and pass on management of this server.
[05:12] <luite> yeah it's just a new release, upgrading is the same
[05:12] <twb> josePhoenix: if it's lower, yes
[05:12] <twb> You can't upgrade from 11.04 to 10.04, for example :-)
[05:14] <luite> josePhoenix: I often do the same for servers that require lots of new versions of programs
[05:15] <josePhoenix> alright, thanks twb and luite
[05:15] <josePhoenix> I figured I couldn't upgrade backwards ;]
[05:46] <amero> does anyone have a recommendation for a socks5 proxy server software? preferably one that is simple and small
[05:47] <amero> but most importantly it must be able to accept incoming connections
[05:50] <w00> http://www.inet.no/dante/
[05:51] <twb> amero: polipo
[05:52] <twb> amero: and ssh
[05:55] <amero> i've already tried ssh socks but i couldn't get it to accept incoming connections and forward them back to me
[05:55] <twb> Dunno, sorry
[05:56] <twb> I don't use socks myself
[06:03] <luite> what's the correct place to allow port forwarding to a kvm virtual machine running with a nat network? I have the port forwarding rules in place, but somehow libvirt adds other rules that drop this traffic
[06:06] <twb> luite: in the kvm command line
[06:07] <twb> Oh, you're using libvirt
[06:07] <twb> pastebin the output of iptables-save -c (while everything is running)
[06:08] <luite> oh I know how to get it working, but that involves removing two rules manually
[06:08] <luite> -A FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
[06:08] <luite> and another with -i virbr0
[06:09] <luite> but now I need to know what to tell libvirt so that it doesn't insert them in the first place:)
[06:09] <twb> luite: talk to #virt about that (on OFTC IIRC)
[06:12] <luite> twb: thanks, I've asked it there
[06:21] <luite> but anyone here who knows the answer is welcomed to tell me, since it's rather quiet there :p
[07:04] <CrummyGummy> Hiya, Does Ubuntu still use the interfaces file for IP configuration?
[07:07] <greppy> CrummyGummy: yes.
[07:12] <twb> CrummyGummy: yes, unless NM is in charge
[07:14] <CrummyGummy> greppy, twb thanks
[07:14] <CrummyGummy> It says /etc/init.d/networking restart is disabled. What is the alternative
[07:14] <CrummyGummy> ?
[07:15] <twb> What are you trying to do?
[07:16] <CrummyGummy> twb: restart networking from the cli
[07:17] <CrummyGummy> after changing the configuration in /etc/networking/interfaces
[07:18] <twb> What I would do is "ifdown foo; ifup foo", where foo is the one you changed
[07:19] <twb> As at lucid, my records indicate that there is an /etc/init.d/networking and a "restart networking", and either should work.
[07:20] <twb> The former is just a wrapper around the latter
[07:24] <luite> hmm it looks like those iptables rules are hardcoded :(
[07:30] <twb> yeah virt is a bit of a bitch about such things
[07:31] <twb> http://bugs.debian.org/625288
[07:32] <twb> If I didn't have users, I would just run kvm by hand and bugger this privilege escalation infrastructure that virt provides
[07:35] <luite> :)
[07:53] <CrummyGummy> twb: Thanks
[07:53] <luite> twb: I've got it working now, by switching from forward mode='nat' to ='route', which has a less restrictive set of iptables rules. I now need to add the MASQUERADE rules manually (if pre-up script), but that's not really a problem in my setup
[08:00] <twb> luite: thanks for letting me know
[08:01] <twb> atm I'm only using bridge-mode networking so I don't have any issues
[08:01] <twb> That and KVM's built-in NAT layer ("user mode networking")
[08:03] <luite> ah I have a dedicated server with only one IP address so I think I need NAT. didn't know about user mode networking though :)
[08:04] <twb> luite: it's not for servers unless you're prepared to do some dancing
[08:04] <twb> For VMs that initiate (cf. accept) connections, it's fine
[08:04] <twb> e.g. you can install ubuntu that way
[08:05] <luite> ah
[08:44] <rump> i can use postfix to receive mail outside of localhsot also?  or do i need to install sendmail for that
[08:45] <luite> no, postfix is a full fledged mailserver
[08:46] <luite> but you need to have port 25 reachable, and probably point some DNS MX record to your server
[08:46] <rump> its only bound to 25 on localhost
[08:47] <rump> not from remote
[08:48] <luite> probably some setting in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[08:49] <luite> inet_interfaces or smtp_bind_address
[08:49] <shauno> most likely inet_interfaces.  but I'd recommend walking thru https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html  rather than opening the default configuration to the net
[08:51] <rump> thats the one ive been following, hrm
[09:26] <rump> ah, my isp is blocking outgoing 25
[09:26] <greppy> that's pretty common.
[09:27] <twb> Some ISPs have a web form to let you opt out of that
[09:27] <greppy> as someone that works for an ISP that blocks 25, you would be amazed at the number of SPAM complaints we DON'T get anymore after doing that.
[09:28] <twb> I am all in favour of blocking it by default
[09:29] <twb> At least until users stop running windows
[09:30] <greppy> that's never going to happen.
[09:30] <greppy> and even if/when it does, os x is now a valid target, and lots of the people that run that think they are invulnerable.
[09:31] <rump> any os for that matter
[09:40] <twb> Yeah, you're right, the fundamental problem is the users
[09:40] <twb> Because they will basically REQUIRE that the popular OS sacrifice security for convenience
[09:41] <twb> Or they will agree to bypass the security infrastructure out of stupidity, as we've seen a lot recently on android.
[10:02] <shauno> it doesn't really matter what blocks are put in place, as long as all it takes to get someone to add their sudo password the the process, is an authorative sounding webpage
[12:31] <rump> whats the easy/simple ubuntu php/etc mail application?
[12:34] <greppy> rump: http://froxlor.org is pretty easy to setup.
[13:06] <airtonix> roundmail?
[13:06] <airtonix> or is it called roundcube?
[13:07] <kexman> its cube
[13:11] <patdk-wk> roundcube? that is an oxymoron
[13:11] <kexman> and a mail client :P
[13:11] <patdk-wk> heh
[13:11] <patdk-wk> I kind of like horde better
[13:12] <kexman> horde ? :) nah i stick with alliance :P hehe
[13:12] <greppy> heh
[13:15] <plm> Hi all
[13:16] <plm> people, ubuntu server start but show just few lines and after show login, I would like that will show everything that happen in boot process without mask.. is possible?
[13:18] <patdk-wk> not really, no
[13:18] <patdk-wk> you have to get ride of plymouth, cause it wipes the screen
[13:21] <plm> patdk-wk: do you think that for server that "clean" screen boot is better?
[13:21] <patdk-wk> nope
[13:21] <plm> I was thinking a verbose and detail boot better
[13:21] <patdk-wk> but I have been unable to do it, and keep the server booting
[13:22] <patdk-wk> but also, I never look at the boot screen, so doesn't matter too much
[13:22] <plm> patdk-wk: maybe are there a configuration to change for verbose/detail boot process..
[13:22] <plm> anyone know?
[13:22] <kexman> i love how fast ubuntu server boots up
[13:22] <patdk-wk> plm, nope
[13:23] <plm> kexman: yes, I too :-) but a more detail boot process not will change speed of boot
[13:23] <plm> *me too
[13:23] <patdk-wk> plm, it does :)
[13:24] <patdk-wk> cause startup messages from different programs would be intermixed with each other
[13:25] <plm> patdk-wk: well, so just a log after boot id administrator need to see..
[13:25] <plm> patdk-wk: don't need to show, just save to log..
[13:49] <Ursinha> good morning
[13:58] <zul> Daviey: can you have a look at bug #757258 please?
[14:12] <zul> hey Ursinha
[14:12] <zul> RoAkSoAx: can you have a look at 799711 its cluster related.
[14:26] <TREllis> Do I remember someone mentioning a cache pre-popluation script before? ie prepopulate a deb-squid-proxy with all ubuntu packages required for an install
[14:39] <RoAkSoAx> bug #799711
[14:39] <RoAkSoAx> zul yeah that was on my todo list fpr tpday though seems error of the admin when building up the cludter
[14:40] <zul> RoAkSoAx: cool beans
[15:12] <raubvogel> bind9 on 11.04 is *not* compiled with gssapi enabled, right?
[15:25] <jamespage> zul: hey - got time to sponsor one of my jenkins uploads?
[15:25] <zul> otp perhaps after
[15:25] <jamespage> zul: great
[15:27] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: ditto my question to zul - do you have time to sponsor an upload for a new jenkins dependency?
[15:28] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage:
[15:28] <RoAkSoAx> give me a sec
[15:28] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: cool - thanks
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage:
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: ok
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> point me to it
[15:42] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: branch is here - lp:~hudson-ubuntu/+junk/jenkins-crypto-util
[15:43] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: I've written a few note here about sponsoring these packages - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Jenkins/JenkinsUbuntuTracker
[15:43] <jamespage> needs a few things you might not have installed.
[15:45] <RoAkSoAx> cool thanks
[15:51] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: what package contains /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/maven.mk
[15:52] <jamespage> maven-debian-helper
[15:52] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: hehe thanks
[15:54] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: looking good so far, you might wanna consider bumping the standards version though
[15:56] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: I thought 3.9.2 was latest?
[15:58] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: lol never mind, I misread and thought it was 3.9.1  :)
[16:05] <zul> jamespage: you wanted me to upload something?
[16:05] <jamespage> zul: sure do - lp:~hudson-ubuntu/+junk/jenkins-executable-war
[16:06] <zul> jamespage: its been reviewed?
[16:06] <jamespage> zul: only by me
[16:13] <fortisv> hello all
[16:14] <fortisv> anyone here know anything about mysql-server-5.1 socket bind errors when attempting remote access?
[16:15] <zul> jamespage: done
[16:15] <jamespage> zul: ta
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: jenkins-crypto-util: unused-override missing-classpath libcommons-io-java
[16:21] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: do you get the same?
[16:21] <jamespage> no - it correctly detects it as overridden
[16:22] <jamespage> lemme just check my chroot is up-to-date
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: might be me as i'm running natty atm...
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> reinstalling oneiric on other machines
[16:23] <jamespage> that would be it: thats a new check in lintian for oneiric
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: ok then
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> looks good to me
[16:25] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: great
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: hold one "/usr/share/maven-repo/org/jenkins-ci/crypto-util/1.1/crypto-util-1.1-javadoc.jar"
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: just making sure it is a doc :)
[16:27] <jamespage> yes - is a jar containing the Java API docs for the library
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: ok cool
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> uploading then
[16:28] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: thankyou
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: thank you for all the Java work lol :)
[16:30] <zul> jamespage: i expect to see you have less hair then me next week otherwiese you arent working hard enough ;)
[16:30] <jamespage> zul: its falling out in handfuls at the moment
[16:31] <zul> jamespage: good good
[16:58] <jamespage> ubuntu-server team meeting starts in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting if anyone is interested....
[17:07] <queso> Is it ever appropriate for a lucid server to have jaunty ppa's listed in its sources.list?
[17:07] <patdk-wk> queso, doubt it
[17:08] <queso> Also, is there a place that would indicate a dist-upgrade has been performed?
[17:08] <patdk-wk> unless you are doing something like wanting to run an older version of php
[17:08] <queso> patdk-wk: ok
[17:08] <patdk-wk> hmm, dist-upgrades should happen all the time
[17:08] <patdk-wk> mainly to patch your kernel
[17:08] <patdk-wk> or do you mean, release upgrades?
[17:08] <queso> patdk-wk: yes, sorry
[17:11] <queso> Is there a way to know that a release upgrade had been performed? :)
[17:12] <patdk-wk> dunno
[17:21] <queso> When I run sudo aptitude update, I get "401  Unauthorized [IP: 91.189.92.166 80]" error messages.  What does that mean?
[17:25] <Pici> queso: For which source lines are you getting that message?
[17:26] <queso> Pici: I think all of them.
[17:26] <queso> Originally I thought it was because port 80 is blocked, but doing telnet us.archive.ubuntu.com 80 works.
[17:27] <queso> Pici: actually, it must be that port 80 is blocked, because when I do wget http://www.google.com/ I get the same error.
[17:27] <Pici> queso: yuck
[17:28] <queso> Pici: someone else will have to fix that before I can update the server :)
[17:28] <Pici> queso: Good good.  Blaming other people means less work for you ;)
[17:32] <queso> Now on a completely different server, where wget http://www.google.com/ works, I'm getting:  Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release.gpg  Could not resolve '' [IP: 91.189.88.30 80]
[17:34] <queso> I don't think it's DNS because I can ping names.  Ideas?
[17:36] <Pici> queso: does: dig us.archive.ubuntu.com    work?
[17:37] <queso> Pici: the answer section provides numerous IPs, so yes.  (I don't know much about networking)
[17:39] <Pici> queso: Can you pastebin your sources.list file?
[17:42] <queso> Pici: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/630462/  So I know the jaunty ppa's at the bottom shouldn't be there -- but even when I comment them out and try sudo apt-get update, it still gives me the same errors.
[17:43] <Pici> queso: hmm.. very odd.
[17:44] <queso> Pici: Something with the networking?
[17:44] <queso> Pici: Since I know so little about networking, if that's what it is, I'll punt to a co-worker. :)
[17:45] <Pici> queso: I'd wager its networking related.
[17:45] <queso> Pici: okay, thanks for your help.
[18:22] <Darkasakerionz> Hola, tengo un vps, al que le he instalado ubuntu server, el problema es que los backups solo los puedo hacer con rsync. Lo que querría conseguir en crear una imagen de la distro y los archivos de configuración para instalarlo en un virtualbox sin perder los permisos y los usuarios de dicho vps.
[18:22] <Darkasakerionz> Alguien sabe alguna forma de conseguir esto?. Gracias
[18:23] <Darkasakerionz> ups! English channel, sorry :P
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> Hello, I have a VPS, which I have
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> ubuntu server installed, the problem
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> backups is that I can only
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> do with rsync. What I would like
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> get to create an image of the
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> distro and files
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> configuration for installation on a
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> virtualbox without losing the permissions and
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> users of the VPS.
[18:24] <SpamapS> Darkasakerionz: hey
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> Anyone know any way to do this?. thanks
[18:24] <SpamapS> Darkasakerionz: you are talking too fast.
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> SpamapS, sorry, it's the google translator
[18:24] <SpamapS> Darkasakerionz: Heh, ok. :)
[18:52] <Duvrazh> Hello, I just set my Ubuntu Server 11.04 to static ip and I can no longer ssh by hostname, only by ip address. This is behavior typical? Can connection by hostname be re-enabled?
[18:53] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ping
[18:53] <Duvrazh> ssh: connect to host duvrazh-ms port 22: No route to host
[18:53] <Ursinha> Duvrazh: if there's a way of your computer to translate the name to the ip, so yes
[18:53] <Ursinha> by /etc/hosts or so
[18:53] <Duvrazh> I just manually edited /etc/network/interfaces
[18:53] <Duvrazh> is it possible I did it wrong?
[18:54] <Duvrazh> It worked fine while it was a dhcp client
[18:54] <Ursinha> Duvrazh: try to ping the name and see if it's resolving the ip
[18:54] <Duvrazh> ok
[18:54] <Ursinha> I believe you've already tried that...
[18:54] <Duvrazh> it's pinging the old ip address
[18:54] <Ursinha> that's why
[18:55] <Duvrazh> delete the lease?
[18:55] <Ursinha> you must have it set somewhere
[18:55] <RoyK> Duvrazh: does 'ifconfig -a' report that address bound to a nic?
[18:56] <Duvrazh> duvrazh@Duvrazh-MS:~$ ifconfig -a eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:25:22:7c:c5:12             inet addr:192.168.1.42  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0           inet6 addr: fe80::225:22ff:fe7c:c512/64 Scope:Link           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1           RX packets:148175 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0           TX packets:259049 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0          
[18:57] <Duvrazh> it 'appears' fine to me but I don't have an expert eye
[18:57] <Duvrazh> I deleted dhcp lease from router and now ping completely fails
[18:57] <Duvrazh> I'm not resolving the hostname somewhere....
[18:58] <RoyK> !pastebin
[18:58] <Ursinha> well, I might be talking nonsense, but you need to tell your computer that that name refers to the ip
[18:58] <Ursinha> in /etc/hosts, for instance
[18:58] <RoyK> looks right, and can you ping that IP address?
[18:58] <Ursinha> or make use of the avahi thing, machine.local
[18:58] <Ursinha> assuming it all uses ubuntu
[18:59]  * RoyK is confused and finds something better to do
[18:59] <Duvrazh> yeah pinging the address returns normal results
[18:59] <Duvrazh> can I get ubuntu server to broadcast the hostname?
[18:59] <Duvrazh> I'm assuming that's what it did as a dhcp client
[18:59] <RoyK>  L
[19:00] <RoyK> NO, IT WILL NOT BROADCAST ITS HOSTNAME
[19:00] <Duvrazh> RoyK: nothing is better than troubleshooting computers ;)
[19:00] <RoyK> that's something BAD protocols like NetBIOS/NETBEUI/SFX does
[19:00] <RoyK> Duvrazh: you register the hostname at a DNS server
[19:00] <RoyK> or you hardcode it in /etc/hosts
[19:00] <RoyK> both along with the IP address
[19:01] <rump> how can i tease the original configuration files out of a package?
[19:01] <RoyK> rump: just unpack the package manually
[19:02] <Duvrazh> RoyK&Ursinha: You've given me good pointers, thank you
[19:02] <RoyK> !guide
[19:02] <rump> no spiffy apt way eh
[19:03] <RoyK> rump: not that I know
[19:03] <RoyK> Duvrazh: one thing is troubleshooting, questions about that is ok, but asking NOOB questions about DNS will give you answers like "RTFM"
[19:03] <rump> whats that package that version controls etc
[19:04] <rump> nvm, etckeeper
[19:04] <RoyK> rump: dpkg -S filename
[19:04] <RoyK> should list the right package
[19:05] <Ursinha> well, I'd never say "RTFM" in an Ubuntu channel, hehe
[19:05] <rump> RoyK: perfect, thank you!
[19:07] <ph8> Does anyone use tape drives here? I can't do a tar -xf /dev/st0 and in the debug log I see "st0: Current: sense key: Not Ready\n Additional sense: Operator medium removal request <-- any ideas wtf this means? :p
[19:07] <rump> usr/share/ keeps a copy of it all
[19:08] <RoyK> ph8: I don't use tapes much, but if you want to do so, I'd strongly recommend using something like Bacula instead of just tar
[19:08] <RoyK> !bacula
[19:08] <RoyK> !guide
[19:09] <ph8> interesting!
[19:09] <RoyK> ph8: we use bacula at work for disk-based backup with some 214TB of storage
[19:10] <RoyK> works like a charm :)
[19:10] <ph8> i'm unlikely to replace this ancient system tbh
[19:10] <ph8> but bacula is a good reference for a new box
[19:10] <RoyK> mhm
[19:10] <ph8> i was hoping to use some snazzy mt command to find out why my tape drive is being retarded
[19:10] <ph8> i get xrealloc errors when running a backup script that has worked for months, and the tape is changed daily
[19:11] <RoyK> tried with another tape just to see if the tape itself may be the problem?
[19:11] <ph8> yep it's been going on for two weeks and tape rotations have been happening as normal
[19:11] <ph8> mt -f /dev/st0 status says:
[19:11] <ph8> drive type = 114
[19:11] <RoyK> or perhaps you need to clean the drive
[19:11] <ph8> drive status = 1241513984
[19:11] <ph8> aha
[19:11] <ph8> how does one clean a drive?
[19:11] <ph8> physically? or is there a command you can send normally
[19:11] <RoyK> use a cleaning tape
[19:12] <ph8> i'm going to try rebooting the (up for 3 years) machine and then a cleaning tape will  be my next stop, thanks for the tip!
[19:12] <RoyK> 3y uptime is sad to lose :P
[19:13] <DrNick_> 3 years? what happened to security updates?
[19:13] <RoyK> I doubt a reboot will help, though, if it's been running for that long
[19:13] <RoyK> DrNick_: no reason for security updates if running on a secure network
[19:13] <ph8> The linux admin who used to work here was a retard
[19:13] <ph8> maybe that's harsh, he could be in this channel :-o
[19:13] <ph8> this box is still running intrepid
[19:13] <DrNick_> if it's connected to the internet it's hardly a secure network
[19:13] <RoyK> ph8: the 'former admin' usually is when the new one takes over :D
[19:14] <ph8> ;)
[19:14] <ph8> i'm just a developer who now runs the linux boxes
[19:14] <ph8> should never have mentioned that i run ubuntu at home!
[19:14] <DrNick_> heheh
[19:14] <RoyK> but why oh why - intrepid?
[19:14] <RoyK> hardy I'd understood
[19:14] <ph8> indeed
[19:15] <ph8> lts i wouldn't have a problem with
[19:15] <RoyK> I can be rather concervative/paranoid my self (15 years of sysadmining takes its toll)
[19:15] <DrNick_> RoyK: you call yourself paranoid yet say there's no need for security updates if your network is secuire?
[19:16] <ph8> depends on the role of the server right
[19:16] <ph8> this servers firewall didn't even let it contact the security update servers when i took it over ;)
[19:16] <ph8> and that's behind the corporate firewall
[19:16] <ph8> a firewall behind a firewall :)
[19:16] <RoyK> DrNick_: most machines won't try to access the network out there - not without a gui
[19:17] <RoyK> DrNick_: so 99,99+% or so of servers inside a firewalled network should be perfectly secure, given you have good antivirus on your windoze machines
[19:17] <DrNick_> its not machines trying to access the net i'd be worried about, depending on the size of the org there are plenty of other factors, such as, internal attacks.  but no matter
[19:18] <ph8> lulzsec for example ;)
[19:18] <RoyK> DrNick_: a sysadmin still using tar to backup stuff to a single tape drive quite possibly isn't administering a 1k user network :þ
[19:19] <RoyK> or perhaps "certainly" is the word
[19:19] <DrNick_> possibly not, possibly so depending on what the machine does
[19:19] <ph8> with the cleaning tape, you just put it in and it works its magic?
[19:19] <RoyK> DrNick_: you never can say you lost an argument, can you?
[19:19] <RoyK> ph8: most backup software do cleaning automatically (with a changer/robot)
[19:19] <RoyK> never tried it manually
[19:20] <DrNick_> i.e. you'd think not if what they're backing up is user data/files, but if they're just backing up a database or something, might be different
[19:20] <RoyK> DrNick_: and the moon still might be of cheese...
[19:20] <DrNick_> i'm certainly happy to loose an argument when I'm wrong ;)
[19:20] <RoyK> DrNick_: you're wrong
[19:20] <RoyK> so stop it
[19:21] <ph8> ah it's not user data
[19:21] <ph8> just server config, svn repositories
[19:21] <ph8> and such
[19:22] <RoyK> "just" svn repositories :)
[19:22] <DrNick_> exactly.  anyway, that aside, we've recently switched to backup-to-disk at work... loving it so far.  so nice not to have to faff around with stuck tapes etc
[19:22] <RoyK> I'd guess you want to keep those
[19:22] <ph8> old unused subversion repositories ;)
[19:22] <ph8> this is all really legacy stuff
[19:23] <RoyK> oh, so a full backup a year and incrementals every 6 months? ;)
[19:23] <ph8> ha
[19:23] <RoyK> heh - I forgot you were using tar
[19:24] <RoyK> no incremental support there, last I checked :P
[19:24] <RoyK> ph8: try to dig into Bacula - get an openindiana machine with a bunch of el cheapo 1TB drives and you should be set :P
[19:25] <DrNick_> we have a couple of systems like that, where the backup schedule is more or less 'when i get around to it', for stuff it wouldn't be the end of the world if we lost
[19:25]  * RoyK has started to backup *everything* with bacula
[19:25] <patdk-wk> heh, I have a few like that
[19:25] <RoyK> incremental daily, differential monthly and full yearly...
[19:26] <patdk-wk> systems that are old legacy systems, just incase we need something, but really are hardly even on the network
[19:26] <zul> RoAkSoAx: pong
[19:26]  * RoyK has a 10yo HP/UX system like that
[19:27] <DrNick_> commercial *nix systems do tend to hang-in-there
[19:27] <RoyK> even some linux machines tend to do that
[19:28] <patdk-wk> if they where made before the taiwanese capacitor issue :)
[19:28] <RoyK> (or did, we're trying to slaughter them still, or at least I am)
[19:28] <RoyK> patdk-wk: what was that? electrolytes with cheap materials?
[19:28] <DrNick_> patdk-wk: haha yes very true
[19:28] <patdk-wk> they stole a bad formula from japan
[19:29] <patdk-wk> they where *ok* for like a year or so
[19:29] <patdk-wk> you don't remember all the hp/dell/ibm/... computers going bad?
[19:29] <RoyK> not really, when was this?
[19:29] <patdk-wk> pretty much anything that didn't use solid capacitors
[19:29] <patdk-wk> like 2005-2008
[19:29] <RoyK> so electrolytes
[19:29] <patdk-wk> ya
[19:30] <DrNick_> maybe about 2/3 of the 600 or so desktop's in the school I work at died before they should of done and were replaced because of that at the time
[19:30] <RoyK> it takes a man to make a solid 470uF capacitor that fits into a small PSU
[19:31] <RoyK> or some mFs
[19:31] <patdk-wk> http://www.islandit.im/main.asp?NewsID=203&NewsCatID=4
[19:33] <DrNick_> ^^ this, also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
[19:33] <RoAkSoAx> zul: never mind :) found the fix already
[19:33] <zul> oh ok
[19:34] <amero> if you install a dep library for an app that you compile from source, does ubuntu know that you don't need that dep library anymore after you remove that app?
[19:35] <DrNick_> it has no way of knowing if you built the app from source
[19:35] <amero> hmm
[19:37] <RoyK> s/uvirtbot/idiobot/
[19:37] <DrNick_> i'd imagine tho that if you also decided to build the library from source then it'd be included in any 'make uninstall' routines
[19:44] <zul> Daviey: ipxe done
[19:56] <sbalneav> Hello.  I'm having trouble with 10.04.1 x64 setting up software raid.  I'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html to the letter, with 2 drive each with 2 primary partitions, with md0 (swap) on /dev/sd[ab]1 and md1 (root) on /dev/sd[ab]2.  Installation proceeds normally, but after a reboot, I'm dumped to an initramfs prompt which complains that it can't mount /dev, /sys, or /proc.  Any clues?
[19:58] <RoyK> sbalneav: try adding a small /boot partition as as[ab]1
[19:58] <RoyK> then add the swap (since the start of the drive is faster, you want swap in the front) and then use equal sized partitions in the end for the root
[19:59] <RoyK> or other partitions - if you want users on the server, make a separate /home
[20:00] <sbalneav> RoyK: But the installation guide doesn't say I need a /boot.  Is this a bug with the raid?
[20:01] <RoyK> sbalneav: not necessarily, but at least for older hardware, an initial /boot device helps things a bit
[20:02] <RoyK> sbalneav: try that first - a small (100MB-1GB) partition for the boot
[20:02] <RoyK> then swap, then the rest, all in pairs
[20:02] <RoyK> sbalneav: I'm using that sort of setup by default and I haven't hit an issue yet (with 8.04 and 10.04)
[20:03] <sbalneav> This is a brand new server, twin 500gb drives.
[20:03] <RoyK> well, try what I said
[20:03] <RoyK> that's my advice for now
[20:03] <RoyK> sd[ab]1 for boot, sd[ab]5 for swap, sd[ab]6 for /
[20:04] <RoyK> so /boot on the first primary partition
[20:04] <RoyK> the rest on logical ones
[20:04] <sbalneav> Should I mark the /boot partition as bootable in the partition manager?
[20:04] <RoyK> doesn't matter
[20:04] <RoyK> grub will jump to it whatever flag it has
[20:05] <sbalneav> Ok, I'll try it.
[20:10] <RoyK> wtf happened to firefox? from v4 to v5 in less than 3 months
[20:18] <JanC> RoyK: welcome to the joy of broken extensions...  :-/
[20:18] <genii-around> The trunk version reads version 7.0a
[20:26] <K1ng> hi can anyone help me with load balance?
[20:27] <K1ng> i have 2 internet connection. 1 of them useless now.... so i am trying to setup ubuntu server as network server and i want to load balance between 2 connection
[20:27] <Corey> K1ng: Active/standby?
[20:27] <K1ng> active
[20:27] <Corey> K1ng: You mean active/active?
[20:28] <K1ng> yes
[20:28] <Corey> K1ng: It's non-trivial.
[20:29] <K1ng> :(
[20:29]  * Corey points at the Cisco in the corner for this problem
[20:30] <K1ng> what router should i get?
[20:30] <cloakable> Grab an x86 box and slap pfsense 2.0 on it
[20:31] <cloakable> Setup the two WANS in a group with equal priority
[20:31] <cloakable> done
[20:31] <sarit> I believe you can do it, using source routing, iproute, iptables stuff (haven't set up myself yet)
[20:31] <K1ng> i have asus n16 with dd-wrt
[20:32] <K1ng> you think i can do this with my asus?
[20:34] <sarit> suggest you try it with an ubuntu box first, if you have similar packages on your asus/dd-wrt, the answer to your question is: yes, probably
[20:35] <K1ng> cloakable, i got a x86 ubuntu
[20:38] <koolhead17> any specific reason why python-software-properties is not one of the base packages
[20:38] <koolhead17> base == comes with ubuntu install
[20:38] <patdk-lap> it's not needed
[20:38] <patdk-lap> and it adds even more stuff
[20:39] <sbalneav> RoyK: Failed in exactly the same way.
[20:39] <patdk-lap> normally it is installed though, unless you select minimal
[20:40] <cloakable> pfsense makes networking stuffs trivial :3
[20:40] <RoyK> sbalneav: bummer - no idea then
[20:40] <k1ng> :D
[20:40] <RoyK> cloakable: indeed
[20:40] <k1ng> cloakable, http://files.chi.pfsense.org/mirror/downloads/
[20:40] <k1ng> which one should i get?
[20:40] <koolhead17> patdk-lap: its not. just installed natty on a VM and to add a PPA i.e run add-apt-repository  we need python-software-properties
[20:40] <koolhead17> kim0: around
[20:41] <patdk-lap> you don't need that to add a ppa
[20:41] <patdk-lap> and ppa's aren't normally required :)
[20:41] <cloakable> koolhead17: http://files.chi.pfsense.org/mirror/downloads/pfSense-2.0-RC1-i386-20110226-1530.iso.gz
[20:41] <cloakable> Wait
[20:41] <cloakable> k1ng: http://files.chi.pfsense.org/mirror/downloads/pfSense-2.0-RC1-i386-20110226-1530.iso.gz
[20:42] <cloakable> Gives you an iso image to install from
[20:42] <k1ng> :D
[20:42] <RoyK> not linux, but very good
[20:43] <k1ng> does it have web interface?
[20:43] <koolhead17> patdk-lap: ok :(
[20:44] <RoyK> k1ng: that's the whole point :P
[20:44] <k1ng> :D
[20:45] <k1ng> the problem is i will have to mount the iso to a flashdrive
[20:45] <k1ng> because i dont have cd rom on that box
[20:45] <RoyK> k1ng: nothing you can move there? or a usb cdrom perhaps?
[20:46] <k1ng> no :(
[20:46] <k1ng> i dont have a usb cdrom
[20:46] <k1ng> its doesnt even have sata ports :(
[20:47] <RoyK> a 256MB CF card should be sufficient for running pfSense IIRC
[20:48] <k1ng> what is CF card?
[20:50] <RoyK> compact flash
[20:50] <RoyK> the sort of thing you use for cameras and such
[20:50] <k1ng> ah
[20:51] <k1ng> i got few pen drive.. 16 gb, 4 gb, 1 gb and 512 mb :P
[20:52] <k1ng> now question is how do i mount it?
[20:54] <RoyK> k1ng: can't you just install to a pen drive from a PC and then boot the pen drive on the small box?
[20:55] <RoyK> it's not like Windoze where the installer ties a bunch of stuff to the hardware used during installation...
[20:55] <JanC> nowadays most cameras use some sort of SD card though, not CF...  ;)
[20:56] <RoyK> JanC: whatever :)
[20:56] <RoyK> same thing
[20:57] <k1ng> :p
[20:58] <RoyK> k1ng: like any unix system, it'll require only a smallish medium from which to boot - the rest is done in memory
[20:59] <RoyK> and for that, 128-256MB should be sufficient for a small setup
[20:59] <RoyK> http://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Hardware_requirements
[20:59] <RoyK> 128MB should do for most setups (from where I read ^^)
[21:07] <sbalneav> RoyK: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2370692.html
[21:07] <sbalneav> apparently, the installer can't calculate partition sizes correctly.
[21:08] <sbalneav> if you make your final partition smaller than it needs to be, so that free space is left, it works, no /boot needed.
[21:09] <RoyK> sbalneav: did you say you tried installing 10.04.1_
[21:09] <RoyK> ?
[21:10] <RoyK> the latest stable release is 10.04.2
[21:11] <sbalneav> yeah, .1's what I had.
[21:11] <RoyK> looks like it should be fixed in .2
[21:13] <RoyK> released back in february
[21:16] <sbalneav> I mentioned I was running 10.04.1 right in my first message.  However, I don't see any indication of this bug in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/10.04.2
[21:16] <k1ng> :(
[21:17] <k1ng> i reinstalled windows because all browser was failing to verify ssl key...
[21:17] <k1ng> i just reinstalled and its same :(
[21:18] <RoyK> k1ng: reinstall a few more times, and you might learn how SSL works :D
[21:18] <k1ng> dude
[21:18] <k1ng> its cant very any ssl key :(
[21:18] <k1ng> not even ssl key on google :(
[21:19] <RoyK> well, obviously this isn't a Windoze noob channel...
[21:19] <k1ng> yeah i know
[22:20] <RoAkSoAx> great... broken oneiric....
[22:22] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: oh?
[22:29] <fortisv> Anyone familiar with what's necessary to create an /etc/init.d/ service-type program?  Using C# & Mono
[22:30] <fortisv> like, how to catch/handle start/stop requests, etc
[22:30] <cloakable> fortisv: look at /etc/init.d/skel
[22:30] <cloakable> Also, ewwww running a mono app as a service? o.o
[22:31] <fortisv> just a server wrapper.  Need something quick and most comfortable in C#.  not a permanent solution
[22:31] <fortisv> lol
[22:32] <fortisv> so I don't have skel, but I have skeleton... just simple scripts, huh?
[22:32] <giovani> fortisv: they're shell scripts
[22:33] <fortisv> ah, still new to unix/linux.  Hence the C# preference
[22:34] <giovani> just work from the skeleton sample
[22:34] <giovani> no need for C# or anything else
[22:34] <fortisv> lol, no, for the source program
[22:34] <fortisv> but, looking at this, I still don't see how I would catch these requests in the program...
[22:34] <giovani> what do you mean?
[22:35] <devilinthedetail> would it be considered a security risk to give www-data write perms to /wp-content ?
[22:35] <fortisv> for example, how would I know a "stop" request has been made in Mono to properly shut down the program?
[22:36] <giovani> fortisv: uhh ... POSIX signals?
[22:36] <fortisv> yeah, that's beyond my realm of knowledge.  I'll have to google it
[22:36] <cloakable> devilinthedetail: given wp-content is used for uploads?
[22:37] <devilinthedetail> cloakable: would rather be able to update/install plugins via WP admin panel vs. ftp uploads
[22:37] <devilinthedetail> cloakable: can do the latter, just a PITA
[22:37] <cloakable> devilinthedetail: Yeah, I run a wordpress install :)
[22:38] <devilinthedetail> cloakable: so verdict is risk? no?
[22:46] <lynxman> ping RoAkSoAx
[22:46] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: around?
[22:46] <Daviey> hah
[22:47] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Does bug 766229 and bug 760019 interest you?
[22:52] <hallyn> SpamapS: hey, not sure if i heard right this morning, but if in fact you are a bit bored today, if you wanted to try and reproduce bug 795427, that might be nice
[22:52] <hallyn> oh, but zul is working with libvirt in oneiric?
[22:54] <lynxman> Daviey: jinx ;)
[22:57] <Daviey> hallyn / SpamapS: Don't block on the merge. :)
[22:57] <lynxman> Daviey: are you busy now enjoying the evening or shall I bother you into sponsoring a package
[22:58] <hallyn> Daviey: i don't understand, though - the merge is on o
[22:58] <hallyn> or is this 0.9.2?
[22:58] <hallyn> is in o, i meant
[22:59] <negronjl_mobile> lynxman: did you get a chance to check the changes to mcollective-plugins?
[22:59] <lynxman> negronjl_mobile: I did, thanks mate
[23:00] <SpamapS> hallyn: I'm working on some other stuff.. :-P
[23:00] <Daviey> lynxman: I'm really pretty tired if it's a package i need to *think* about. :)
[23:00] <hallyn> ok
[23:00] <Daviey> if it's a simple change, then i can
[23:01] <lynxman> Daviey: lol, I'll wait for RoAkSoAx to be back then ;)
[23:01] <negronjl_mobile> lynxman: np
[23:23] <Ursinha> omg ubuntu wiki is... s... l....o....www....
[23:53] <rump> any idea how to prevent postfix virtual from modifying headers?  re Delivered-To: etc