[00:05] <^robertj> is vlan0.0 a no-no? [00:05] <^robertj> err br0.0 [00:06] i got postfix mail delievered to my maildir new folder alright. but when i type mail. it says i have no new mail. so what wrong and how to fix? ideas? [00:10] AndroidLoverInSF: well, evidently it's not looking for new mail in the right place [00:11] im not a sysadmin. how to make it look in the right place [00:14] AndroidLoverInSF: i'm not sure, research it. start with 'man mail' [00:16] AndroidLoverInSF: mail doesn't work with maildir, you might want to take a look at mutt to read mail in your maildir. [00:19] greppy: 'maildir' is all over *my* mail man page. not sure which package is actually associated however [00:19] mailx? [00:20] i have heirloom-mailx package installed === medberry is now known as med_ou === med_ou is now known as med_out [00:28] i used empathy to read it [00:36] but now have problem sending mail. [00:58] hello :) [00:59] hello [01:00] I am new to Ubuntu server. I created a directory and set the CHMOD according to some tutorial, now I can access the web pages within that directory but only from within the server, I can't access them from any other computer [01:01] so, what's the problem ? [01:11] deXire: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html [01:11] deXire: that may be of help [01:15] it's not about apache, it's about te CHMOD code [01:15] I guess I don't know the one that allows access from other computers === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [01:18] hello ubuntu people [01:18] i run into a problem and wanted to ask if maybe someone knows a fix for it [01:19] i would like to use my phone as a usb2net adapter [01:19] its smart enough to make a nat and provide me internet using 3g or wifi [01:19] this worked as "plug and net" on system rescue cd [01:20] could this feature be someone be used on ubuntu-server ? its already installed everything is in place i booted it [01:22] The only difference between desktop and server versions of Ubuntu is which packages are installed. [01:23] If you can isolate which packages were providing you that functionality on the "system rescue cd", you can install them. [01:23] twb: how if i dont have net ? :P [01:23] maybe its on the cd ? [01:23] sneakernet [01:23] hmm is it ? :) how did you found it ? [01:24] No, "sneakernet" means you carry data from one place to another by walking instead of by data cable [01:24] twb: lol :)) haha okay [01:24] e.g. on a usb key [01:24] twb: you know what :) ill just make my b43 work with wpa_supplicant :P [01:25] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136 yay for guides and tuts :P [01:25] * kexman is lazy [01:25] Yes, well, broadcom are an enemy of your freedom [01:25] twb: nah its recognized [01:25] twb: you dont know how broadcom used to be :P [01:25] Then it's just a normal wpa_supplicant setup. [01:25] bcm43 ndis b43legacy etc .... pita compared to how you do it now :) [01:25] kexman: I have twenty b43 routers... [01:25] twb: yes :) [01:26] And you don't get NDIS on MIPS [01:26] twb: but image booting sysresc no wifi ... eeergh ... plug in phone connected to wifi = wow it works :) [01:26] twb: no you dont :P [01:26] there is wl :P [01:26] there used to be before b43 i guess [01:26] dunno not running my old openwrt linksys wrl54gl anymore [01:26] kexman: that post you linked to is ridiculous [01:26] that was pretty cool :) putting openvpn and stuff like that on 4mb :P [01:27] twb: ridicoulous how ? [01:27] http://paste.debian.net/120507/ [01:27] 4. as the PSK is clear text, be sure to: [01:27] why not hash it ? [01:28] 1st line of what i posted does that , btw thanks :P [01:28] kexman: because I'm lazy and it means I can look it up there later to give to someone else :-) [01:29] you know what i dont want hashed psk :P [01:30] know why ? :) [01:30] dont have gpm :P lol [01:32] baaah [01:32] firmware file ... blahb lahb not found [01:32] grrrr [01:32] hate it hate it , use phone via usb = love it love it :D [01:33] gpm is for mice [01:33] You seriously can't copy things without a mouse? [01:33] twb: give me net :) [01:33] twb: serious not what is posted on the console ... no ssh [01:33] screen has copy and paste with ^[ [01:33] yeah blame it on my lack of sed and such [01:33] huhhh [01:33] need to learn more about that :) [01:34] bah my screen usage is minimal ... still cant leave my terminal without it :D [01:34] screen usage minimial = knowledge of how to use it :P keep forgetting shortcuts :P [01:36] Sounds like you need to print out a reference card and pin it over your desk [01:36] Next to the nudie calendar [01:36] twb: btw should i had installed 10.04.2 ? im using 10.04 lts from the main site. but now i found out about : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/lucid/daily/current/ [01:37] The third dot just means some security updates are already applied [01:37] *third number [01:37] twb: ah , tought its more feature rich :P like make wifi work out of the box even for b43 users :P [01:38] I suppose it also has -updates applied to it, so IN THEORY it might fix a b43 issue, but that is unlikely. [01:39] twb: sneakernet it shall be [01:41] oh wow [01:41] another great thing happened :( [01:41] plugged in my usb and it says unable to enumerate usb device on port 1 [01:42] Maybe should have done that first? [01:42] well i have windows on the other machine and that cant see my usb neither ... umf [01:43] but before that i just had booted from it and was running superbly :) just a very unclean mount [01:43] Uhuh. [01:43] but clearly here the problem is not an unclean mount [01:43] but something else imho [01:43] Perhaps the phone's USB socket is not in gadget mode [01:44] yay sdb is there :P plugged it into another socket :) crazy pc parts :P [01:44] yweah unplugged the phone as well [01:45] the thing is now i look at my installation and it uses 727 mb-s and i cant use my network :P lol [01:45] now i dont have a console mouse :P [01:45] nor i dont have any cigarettes baaah :) [01:46] also fdisk says partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundry :) [01:46] i have sda1 = /boot = primary + sda2 = extended + sda5 = linux LVM [01:47] all done by the install [01:47] whats that complaint about fdisk saying that part1 does not end on cylinder boundry ? twb any idea abot that ? [01:47] Ignore that, fdisk is stupid. [01:47] haha [01:47] Use gparted. [01:47] heared that before :P [01:47] Er, GNU parted. [01:47] gparted is the lame GUI [01:47] which is of course not installed into the 777 mb :P [01:48] what do i get for 777 mb ? [01:48] NFI [01:48] i didnt select any package [01:48] dont even tell me about that [01:48] * kexman found tobacco ... [01:48] If grep-dctrl is installed, you can ask it. [01:48] grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n [01:48] That will list installed packages by size. [01:49] no grep-status for me [01:50] About 128MB will be kernel, another 200MB is ubuntu-minimal, and perhaps another 300MB for ubuntu-standard. [01:50] That comes to 628MB, which is roughly what you said. The remained might be /var/cache/apt/archives or similar. [01:50] onestly i hate top :P would like to see htop there instead :) [01:51] File a bug report, then [01:51] minimal and standard dont contain what i need [01:51] :) [01:51] but i think im going to go minimal [01:51] and plug that damn cable :P [01:51] pitaaa [01:51] lazyness ftw :P [01:52] twb: okay not going to cry anymore about this, going to fix it :) [01:52] That 300MB figure was too high; it includes some extra things like git and openssl blacklists. [01:52] ohh yayy fsck.vat /dev/sdb1 = long list + asking copy original to back ? copy backup to iriginal ? no action ? :) lol [01:53] i never used fsck.vat [01:58] twb: looky looky what i see in dmesg when pluggin in the phone under sysresc : rndis_host : usb0 balh blah mac address rndis device :) [01:58] so its something rndis stuff never header about that :P but it must be that [01:59] I've stopped caring [02:00] lol :)))) [02:00] twb: im downloading the fw and making wifi work on the laptop [02:02] Hmm is there a reason why dpkg might not be able to install a file, from a package? [02:02] error creating directory `./etc/vx/VxICS': No such file or directory [02:02] but since dpkg was running as root, i would think it would create it [02:05] n/m, my mistake in a control file. sorry about that. [02:12] rndis ftw :D done :D fwcutter did the job :) in chroot :P [02:13] and thanks to you now twb i already have an ip on wlan0 ;) thanks a lot for that very short wpa_suppl setup :) [02:19] I'm getting this when trying to install pecl xdiff. http://paste.ubuntu.com/630140/ What am I missing? [02:19] kexman: you're welcome [02:33] Yay, data loss [02:34] When you replace collectd with an out-of-band copy and then "dpkg -P collectd-core", it deletes your databases [02:34] Without asking [02:36] lol [02:36] twb: backup ? [02:37] It deleted my backups, too [02:38] Well, it deleted one layer of my backups. I still have some offsite. [02:41] yay im on 10.04.2 already [02:41] with working wifi :D [02:51] why does virtualbox need kde stuff ? [02:51] ohh [02:54] pulling my hair out over this broken zoneminder [02:55] i followed this Debian-based Linux distributions on www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads [02:55] really wish there was a manual export function [02:55] poorly written web interfaces strike again [02:58] could anyone tell me why ubuntu needs to install a full blown kde to my box when i asked only for virtualbox ? :) [02:59] kexman, because virtualbox is not a headless software [02:59] and therefore requires X and all the bits that go with it [02:59] not that right now i have any problems with it , nice shiny kde yay :P was lazy to pull it :) got it anyway :p thanks :P but if id like to do this without x ? [02:59] aha qman__ hmm [02:59] qman__: soo even for not OSE virtualbox i need kde / x ? [03:00] unless they have a headless version now, but I don't think they do [03:00] if you want to run a virtual server, suggest KVM or vmware [03:00] qman__: there is this deb file http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/virtualbox-4.0_4.0.8-71778~Ubuntu~lucid_i386.deb [03:00] qman__: well id like to use virtualbox right now and no support for kvm :P [03:01] virtualbox is a desktop virtualization software [03:01] it's not designed to be run that way, so it depends on the GUI [03:02] qman__: how can i remove virtualbox and all its dependencys ? [03:02] would kde be removed then ? [03:02] yes [03:02] :( [03:02] apt-get purge virtualbox if you installed it that way [03:02] and thats it ? [03:03] then apt-get autoremove [03:03] that will wipe out everything that it has done ? no cruft remains ? [03:03] aha [03:03] okay that 2 and thats it ? [03:03] yes [03:03] would the install files still remain if i wish to install again ? [03:03] yes [03:03] in /var/cache/apt/archives [03:03] until you apt-get clean [03:03] thank you [03:04] byebye kde [03:04] im stress testing my hdd :P [03:05] sorry if I'm coming off rude, I'm just frustrated [03:05] been trying to fix broken PHP for the last three hours to no avail [03:05] qman__: nah mah your helping out a lot really [03:05] !! [03:05] qman__: php is the devil :P [03:06] qman__: broken php app, or php itself? [03:06] it bites your 4$$ [03:06] php app, zoneminder [03:06] 1.24.1 on ubuntu 9.10, old and unsupported === whaley_ is now known as whaley [03:06] need to get some video out of it, so I can't just upgrade willy nilly [03:07] Linux mobile 2.6.32-28-generic-pae #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 22:34:08 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux [03:07] hmm kernel seemsa bit old :) [03:07] only three versions [03:08] you're running lucid, right? [03:08] http://bugs.debian.org/631167 [03:08] qman__: 10.04.2 lts [03:08] yeah [03:09] that will stay 2.6.32 [03:09] there's a few updates though, apt-get dist-upgrade to get them [03:09] kexman: .32 is what Debian 6, Ubuntu 10.04 and RHEL6 all ship, so it's a damn good release to target. [03:10] if you want newer versions, you'll have to go bleeding edge [03:13] FSVO bleeding edge = non-LTS release [03:17] qman__: then i wouldnt be staying on 10.04 lts if id do dist-upgrade [03:17] right ? [03:17] i want 10.04 lts :) [03:17] no [03:17] thinking that the most sturdy [03:17] it's misleading [03:18] upgrade only upgrades packages [03:18] qman__: so when would i want to do dist-upgrade ? [03:18] dist-upgrade upgrades packages and installs new packages [03:18] kexman: it's easier to understand if you call them "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade", as aptitude does. [03:18] since the newer linux kernel is technically a new package, you need it [03:18] safe-upgrade will not remove or install new packages; full-upgrade will do so if the upgrade requires it [03:18] to go off 10.04 you would need to 'do-release-upgrade', which is completely different [03:19] aha [03:19] For example, if an upgrade will replace libfoo0 with libfoo1, only full-upgrade will do it, safe-upgrade will skip it. [03:19] well distupgrade does a kernel update from 32-28 to 32-32 [03:19] so prolly ill take it :) [03:19] its not unsafe right ? [03:19] its still stable ? [03:19] yes [03:19] the reason for the differentiation is that it's possible to break some compatibility when changing packages like that [03:19] If your primary concern is system stability, you should stick to LTS, safe-upgrade, and full-upgrade. [03:20] so said upgrades should only be done with the admin sitting in front of the box [03:20] Yep [03:20] qman__: im doing that right now [03:20] so they can be undone if anything breaks [03:20] For example I upgraded from 2.6.32-31 to 2.6.32-32 and my entire VM system was broken [03:20] twb: oooo [03:20] And this happened on a sunday after a pwoer outage [03:20] not nice [03:21] typical systems don't have issues with them, but complicated setups or certain softwares can [03:21] so they don't get automatically selected [03:22] yay [03:22] lxde = very nice [03:27] Certainly that failure was atypical, but it was fucking annoying and it was last week [03:27] So I am still grumpy about it [03:28] I feel that [03:28] I now have to explain to a non-computer person why it's been four days and I still don't have his video [03:30] qman__: lens cap was on [03:30] heh [03:30] I know it's in there, because I can view it through the java thing, but I can't get it out [03:30] ugh, java [03:30] and since none of the fast forward/resize/pause functions actually work, it's fairly useless like that [03:31] At least you don't have to deal with bloody video evidence programs [03:32] as bad as this is, it's still not as bad as the proprietary system my dad got [03:33] the videos from that won't play back on anything except the DVR, period [03:33] qman__: i just installed vbox binary without kde, yet to see how it works , will keep you posted [03:34] at least with this, if I put enough time into it, I will eventually get the videos out [03:35] qman__: hehe : VirtualBox: supR3HardenedMainGetTrustedMain: dlopen("/opt/VirtualBox/VirtualBox.so",) failed: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [03:36] I tried just dropping the current web interface on, but that didn't work [03:36] complained about some external dependencies and broke some header functions [03:36] kexman: vbox can FOAD; I recommend kvm (poss. w/libvirt for GUI) [03:36] FOAD ? [03:37] twb: no hw virtualization , all tough intel site claims that t2080 has it, it doesnt :( no bios switch neither , i checked [03:37] so no kvm for me [03:37] the expansion of that abbreviation is not permitted in this channel, suggest google, or the program 'wtf' [03:38] kexman: kvm supports paravirtualization [03:38] kexman: admittedly it's pretty slow [03:38] kvm needs VT, but the qemu engine doesn't [03:38] and now they're basically combined [03:38] Right, sorry, I meant kvm-the-program (i.e. qemu), not kvm-the-kernel-module [03:39] but yes, it's very slow [03:39] qman__: I noticed recently someone wrote a new userspace to replace qemu w/kvm [03:39] don't expect to do much [03:39] Stupid oracle [03:39] nice [03:39] yeah, they ruined a lot of things [03:40] twb: i dont need sound for the vm-s anyway :) [03:40] ill be building server vm-s :) [03:40] no sound needed [03:40] vboxmanage works wonderfully without that [03:41] and the little X i need lxde gives it fully :) [03:41] I wish httpd log file format was not so retarded [03:41] Why are developers never smart enough to use RFC 3339? [03:41] I've been sifting through apache logs with my issue too [03:41] kexman: if you are running X on a server you are doing it wrong [03:41] with about a 30-line URI [03:41] every other log line [03:42] qman__: yuk [03:42] qman__: one of the apps here, it includes an email body in the URL [03:42] I cringe every time I see it [03:42] even without the ridiculous URI, it's far from human-readable [03:43] Successfully installed "Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack". [03:43] i love CLI :D [03:46] at this point I'm considering screencapping the java applet while it plays through [03:46] because it might actually take less time [03:49] Yeah, you do that then run mplayer on the actual video URL [03:49] BTDTBTTS [04:34] 11.04 server is great? [04:36] No, because it isn't LTS [04:36] IMO avoid non-LTS releases for any production (or at least mission-critical) systems [04:39] what's the next lts? [04:39] 10.04.3 ? :P [04:39] May 2012 [04:40] Er, April? [04:40] Whatever the fourth month is [04:42] 12.04 is the next LTS [04:47] twb: its easy if you remember the 3rd one :P [05:08] Can I upgrade from a non-LTS release to an LTS release? [05:08] I'm considering using a more recent release and then upgrading to the next LTS release before I graduate and pass on management of this server. [05:12] yeah it's just a new release, upgrading is the same [05:12] josePhoenix: if it's lower, yes [05:12] You can't upgrade from 11.04 to 10.04, for example :-) [05:14] josePhoenix: I often do the same for servers that require lots of new versions of programs [05:15] alright, thanks twb and luite [05:15] I figured I couldn't upgrade backwards ;] [05:32] New bug: #800034 in etckeeper (main) "Please merge etckeeper 0.55 (main) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800034 [05:46] does anyone have a recommendation for a socks5 proxy server software? preferably one that is simple and small [05:47] but most importantly it must be able to accept incoming connections [05:50] http://www.inet.no/dante/ [05:51] amero: polipo [05:52] amero: and ssh [05:55] i've already tried ssh socks but i couldn't get it to accept incoming connections and forward them back to me [05:55] Dunno, sorry [05:56] I don't use socks myself [06:03] what's the correct place to allow port forwarding to a kvm virtual machine running with a nat network? I have the port forwarding rules in place, but somehow libvirt adds other rules that drop this traffic [06:06] luite: in the kvm command line [06:07] Oh, you're using libvirt [06:07] pastebin the output of iptables-save -c (while everything is running) [06:08] oh I know how to get it working, but that involves removing two rules manually [06:08] -A FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable [06:08] and another with -i virbr0 [06:09] but now I need to know what to tell libvirt so that it doesn't insert them in the first place:) [06:09] luite: talk to #virt about that (on OFTC IIRC) [06:12] twb: thanks, I've asked it there [06:21] but anyone here who knows the answer is welcomed to tell me, since it's rather quiet there :p [07:04] Hiya, Does Ubuntu still use the interfaces file for IP configuration? [07:07] CrummyGummy: yes. [07:12] CrummyGummy: yes, unless NM is in charge [07:14] greppy, twb thanks [07:14] It says /etc/init.d/networking restart is disabled. What is the alternative [07:14] ? [07:15] What are you trying to do? [07:16] twb: restart networking from the cli [07:17] after changing the configuration in /etc/networking/interfaces [07:18] What I would do is "ifdown foo; ifup foo", where foo is the one you changed [07:19] As at lucid, my records indicate that there is an /etc/init.d/networking and a "restart networking", and either should work. [07:20] The former is just a wrapper around the latter [07:24] hmm it looks like those iptables rules are hardcoded :( [07:30] yeah virt is a bit of a bitch about such things [07:31] http://bugs.debian.org/625288 [07:32] If I didn't have users, I would just run kvm by hand and bugger this privilege escalation infrastructure that virt provides [07:35] :) === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [07:53] twb: Thanks [07:53] twb: I've got it working now, by switching from forward mode='nat' to ='route', which has a less restrictive set of iptables rules. I now need to add the MASQUERADE rules manually (if pre-up script), but that's not really a problem in my setup [08:00] luite: thanks for letting me know [08:01] atm I'm only using bridge-mode networking so I don't have any issues [08:01] That and KVM's built-in NAT layer ("user mode networking") [08:03] ah I have a dedicated server with only one IP address so I think I need NAT. didn't know about user mode networking though :) [08:04] luite: it's not for servers unless you're prepared to do some dancing [08:04] For VMs that initiate (cf. accept) connections, it's fine [08:04] e.g. you can install ubuntu that way [08:05] ah === smb` is now known as smb [08:44] i can use postfix to receive mail outside of localhsot also? or do i need to install sendmail for that [08:45] no, postfix is a full fledged mailserver [08:46] but you need to have port 25 reachable, and probably point some DNS MX record to your server [08:46] its only bound to 25 on localhost [08:47] not from remote [08:48] probably some setting in /etc/postfix/main.cf [08:49] inet_interfaces or smtp_bind_address [08:49] most likely inet_interfaces. but I'd recommend walking thru https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html rather than opening the default configuration to the net [08:51] thats the one ive been following, hrm [09:02] New bug: #800062 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "Can't create view in mysql database: ErrCode: 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800062 [09:26] ah, my isp is blocking outgoing 25 [09:26] that's pretty common. [09:27] Some ISPs have a web form to let you opt out of that [09:27] as someone that works for an ISP that blocks 25, you would be amazed at the number of SPAM complaints we DON'T get anymore after doing that. [09:28] I am all in favour of blocking it by default [09:29] At least until users stop running windows [09:30] that's never going to happen. [09:30] and even if/when it does, os x is now a valid target, and lots of the people that run that think they are invulnerable. [09:31] any os for that matter [09:40] Yeah, you're right, the fundamental problem is the users [09:40] Because they will basically REQUIRE that the popular OS sacrifice security for convenience [09:41] Or they will agree to bypass the security infrastructure out of stupidity, as we've seen a lot recently on android. [10:02] it doesn't really matter what blocks are put in place, as long as all it takes to get someone to add their sudo password the the process, is an authorative sounding webpage [10:46] New bug: #800109 in irqbalance (main) "Pressing mouse buttons 8 or 9 sometimes hangs the mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800109 === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [12:07] New bug: #800134 in samba (main) "package samba 2:3.5.8~dfsg-1ubuntu2.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800134 [12:31] whats the easy/simple ubuntu php/etc mail application? [12:34] rump: http://froxlor.org is pretty easy to setup. === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [13:06] roundmail? [13:06] or is it called roundcube? [13:07] its cube [13:11] roundcube? that is an oxymoron [13:11] and a mail client :P [13:11] heh [13:11] I kind of like horde better [13:12] horde ? :) nah i stick with alliance :P hehe [13:12] heh [13:15] Hi all [13:16] people, ubuntu server start but show just few lines and after show login, I would like that will show everything that happen in boot process without mask.. is possible? [13:18]