[01:12] <andylockran> howdy
[05:54] <PcSett> identify PcSett
[05:58] <PcSett> Pcsett password qx9yk4
[06:06] <PcSett> moin
[06:07] <PcSett> OK - Hi! :-)
[06:09] <nigelb> PcSett: I'm sure you might want to change that password.
[06:10] <MartijnVdS> (and not send it to a public channel :))
[06:11] <nigelb> that too ;)
[06:24] <PcSett> Hi :-)
[07:17] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:47] <danfish> morning
[07:49] <popey> Morning all
[08:13] <DJones> Hi PcSett don't know if you've changed it, but but just looking at scrollback, you typed your nickserv password into the channel
[08:14] <popey> 06:12:28 -!- PcSett [~mumper@host86-135-56-156.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[08:14] <popey> oh, back
[08:14] <popey> sorry
[08:14] <danfish> DJones: been there, done that ;)
[08:14] <popey> 2
[08:14] <popey> bah!
[08:15] <DJones> danfish: I think most people have done it once
[08:27] <JGJones> Hmm - ta popey for letting us know about dropbox - I still have it, but no documents etc in it - I treat it as an insecure flash disk now
[08:28] <JGJones> the lack of having your own encryption key is an issue (same problem I have with Ubuntu One)
[08:30] <JGJones> but while searching Android market, I came across Wuala - you encrypt data before you upload to them
[08:30] <shauno> I'm mildly disappointed that this is a surprise to anyone.  you'd have thought that we'd know by now that this is how online services work.  especially (cost-)free ones
[08:30] <JGJones> www.wuala.com
[08:31] <JGJones> free account comes with 1GB - enough for documents etc.
[08:31] <popey> JGJones: i use spideroak
[08:31] <JGJones> and should be quicker than dropbox as their servers are based in Europe
[08:31] <popey> encrypted end to end
[08:32] <JGJones> looking at that - have heard of spideroak, but never used - for a long time now, I've used Jungledisk for online backup
[08:34] <JGJones> jungledisk backup at moment cost me about 30p a month ;-)
[08:34] <popey> its not backup I'm after, but sync
[08:47] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:47] <nigelb> o/
[08:47] <MooDoo> :)
[09:13] <oimon> ubuntu one would be picking up customers right now if they had fully functioning multi platform client
[09:14] <nigelb> I believe they are working on it.
[09:15] <BigRedS> oimon: it's hilarious that it's not even multi-distro 'compatible'
[09:15] <BigRedS> I'd be using it now if I hadn't been told off for using Debian...
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> dropbox works really well. Well, it just works.
[09:16] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: it does work really well, but then again so does spideroak as well :D
[09:16] <oimon> i don't think dropbox deserve my attention
[09:16] <nigelb> There is sparkleshare.
[09:17] <oimon> companies that can't be trsuted with the small things (telling the truth) can't be trusted with the big things
[09:17] <JGJones> That it does - hence I use it as a quick'n'dirty insecure flash disk, but I've now signed up for spideroak so I can sync my documents too.
[09:18]  * oimon only uses ubuntu-based distros anyway, so can use ubuntu one
[09:18] <popey> nigelb: i am utterly unimpressed with the way the u1 file sync project has been managed over the years
[09:18] <oimon> syncany: "We're making good progress: the team is growing, the Windows version almost on the same level as the Linux version"
[09:18] <popey> :P
[09:18] <MooDoo> JGJones: spideroak works really well
[09:18] <popey>  /cc aquarius
[09:18] <aquarius> I am aware of your concerns. :)
[09:18] <popey> :D
[09:19] <popey> proxy proxy proxy
[09:19] <popey> I think Canonical should forcably look to putting a proxy in the office
[09:19] <popey> look to forciably
[09:19] <popey> -typos and syntax failure
[09:20] <oimon> syncany could be a solution for me since i have unlimited storage available via an ssh account
[09:21] <oimon> forcibly :P
[09:21] <nigelb> popey: git doesn't work with proxy either :|
[09:21]  * nigelb was mad when he found that out.
[09:24] <dogmatic69> morning
[09:25] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: morning
[09:26] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:26] <JGJones> popey you should have another 1GB free with spideroak :)
[09:26] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to make bash files work in netbeans, or... a ide that is nice for bash (non terminal)
[09:26] <popey> thanks
[09:27] <MooDoo> JGJones: you work for them or something? ;)
[09:27] <MooDoo> ah just seen the tweet
[09:27] <popey> http://t.co/uephzJJ
[09:27] <JGJones> MooDoo, heh :) nah, popey tweeted a referral link
[09:27] <popey> ☺
[09:30] <nigelb> popey: Neat :D
[09:32] <JGJones> small bug in spideroak UI - it tells me "Available Storage: 2GBs Free" but in Storage Bar, it say 3GB :)
[09:33] <popey> heh
[09:33] <AlanBell> just been reading up about ensemble in Ubuntu. Seems a bit loopy.
[09:33] <popey> AlanBell: I don't get it either
[09:34] <AlanBell> so if I am reading it right, you spin up an Amazon EC2 image, which then can spin up another one to run MySQL and another one to run wordpress and it configures them to talk to each other
[09:34] <AlanBell> s/wordpress/other stuff/
[09:35] <oimon> isn't it like the VMware orchestrator?
[09:35] <AlanBell> so by my calculations that is three VMs where you pay by the second to run one wordpress
[09:38] <shauno> congratulations, you can count higher than most the people on the cloud bandwagon ;)
[09:38] <JGJones> pff the numering scheme always work for me - one, two, many.
[09:39] <oimon> they should call the plural of formula, formulae though
[09:39] <oimon> especially if they will use fancy latin words as principia
[09:40] <oimon> the ensemble makes sense to me though
[09:41] <AlanBell> I think they need to pick a better example use-case than wordpress
[09:41] <oimon> oh, i was reading https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/
[09:41] <oimon> there wasn't any wordpress mentioned
[09:41] <AlanBell> https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/docs/user-tutorial.html#scaling-the-ensemble
[09:43] <AlanBell> and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxMhKbDSbOw
[09:45] <shauno> I'm still not sure what $18/month for EC2 actually gets you over paying the same for a vps.  besides having to pay per GB for your traffic
[09:46] <oimon> rapid scalability?
[09:46] <AlanBell> for what?
[09:47] <daubers> Morning
[09:48] <selinuxium> Morning all  o/
[09:50] <JGJones> shauno, I'm using EC2 for webhost at the moment
[09:51] <JGJones> using the free tier so it's costing me nothing for a year.
[09:51] <JGJones> after that I'll just switch to a VPS
[10:00] <gord> AlanBell, iirc it deploys to individual EC2 instances now, but thats because its early in development, in the future it'll do multiple services per machine
[10:00] <gord> i think the entire thing is really just about getting lots of different services up and talking to each other quickly
[10:02] <diplo> Morning all, I have a dir in /home/andy called www which is synced with U1
[10:02] <diplo> Is there a way I can not sync certain sub dirs in that www dir ?
[10:03] <gord> diplo, not explicitly i think, its worth noting that u1 does not follow sym links, so if you make those dir's sym links to somewhere else then it won't sync those dirs
[10:04] <diplo> ok, that's worth a try thanks
[10:08] <oimon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/21/nokia_singapore_meego_but_no_windows/ << Nokia unveils first and last ever Meego phone
[10:13] <AlanBell> gord: yeah, it just seems like a harder way to do stuff
[11:00] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning matey
[11:00] <nigelb> morning davmor2
[11:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: Morning me owld mukka
[11:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: how are you chap?
[11:01] <davmor2> nigelb: morning dude
[11:01] <nigelb> davmor2: *yawn* though I'm seriously questioning its morning
[11:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: I've been better but on the whole I can't complain
[11:01] <nigelb> Its a lazy afternoon for me
[11:01] <davmor2> nigelb: nice
[11:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: u poorly?  or just busy?
[11:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: just feeling blurrrr mostly tired I guess need a holiday to recharge oh I got one next week :D
[11:02] <oimon> does a . in front of a @twitter hide it from others?
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: i get on the week after, whitby :D
[11:03] <nigelb> oimon: It stops it from being hidden from others
[11:03] <nigelb> starting a tweet with @ hides it from most clients
[11:03] <oimon> nigelb: oh. so what's the shortcut for a DM?
[11:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: We are off to Bakewell for the week,  hmmmmmm lots of tarts (the edible kinda, minds out of gutters)
[11:04] <nigelb> oimon: On the new web us, just press 'M'
[11:04] <nigelb> *ui
[11:04] <gord> davmor2, you in dublin next week?
[11:05] <davmor2> gord: Nope
[11:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'll be there at the weekend :D
[11:06] <gord> davmor2, boo
[11:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: father in law has a static caravan there :)
[11:07] <davmor2> gord: yeah I know but we aren't platform dude
[11:08] <gord> davmor2, please change jobs entirely, i require other uk'ers to gasp in shock at Daviey's flip flops
[11:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: where bakewell?
[11:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah :) about 4 mins out the town center :)  where you staying :)
[11:09] <davmor2> gord: isn't AQ there surely between the 2 of you, you'll be able to make him cry enough to lose them :)
[11:09] <nigelb> gord: Daviey has flip flops? O_O
[11:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: we will be at the Camping and Caravanning Club site let me grab the details
[11:10] <nigelb> davmor2: +1 to that ;)
[11:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'll pmsl laughing if it's the same site lol
[11:10] <MooDoo> greenhills?
[11:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nope but not far away Bakewell Camping and Caravanning Club Site, Hopping Lane, Youlgreave, Bakewell, Derbyshire, DE45 1NA. We get there Sunday
[11:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: aye not that far at all from me....i'm the other side of bakewell
[11:19] <JGJones> Seem all the news are all for IT security lately - Distribute.IT was cracked and around 4800 sites lost along with emails.
[11:19] <JGJones> Aussie hosting company
[11:20] <nigelb> JGJones: Oh yay :|
[11:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: have a fun time, it's a glorious area and if you get up there early enough, give us a buzz, i'm sure i can shout you a pint
[11:21] <davmor2> MooDoo: We'll have to meet up somewhere just so we can say we are not bots on an irc channel
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah :)
[11:21]  * MooDoo starts to hick fizz blerp i'm not a bot wibble wibble
[11:22] <JGJones> http://goo.gl/CaLpg - about Distribute.IT for those interested (seem even their backup was destroyed...ouch)
[11:26] <shauno> that is ouch.  that's more disgrunted employee ouch, than drive-by vandalism
[11:26] <nigelb> Unlike the case of Sony, this one doesn't seem to be an attempt to showcase the insecurity of the system. It seems to be just to stop their business.
[11:28] <bennie_> hey, bit of a random question. Does anyone know if using noatime as a partition mount option will disable Zeitgeist logging (my super +f is being odd)
[11:28] <JGJones> Quick question - got a Macbook Pro (Core2Duo) - what's the maximum memory I can stuff into it?
[11:28] <pioneer> ouch, another reason to use offsite backup's of your servers info
[11:28] <JGJones> Can it take 2x2GB?
[11:29] <BigRedS> pioneer: more pertinently, off *line* backups
[11:29] <BigRedS> JGJones: I'd be surprised if it couldn't
[11:29] <MooDoo> google it?
[11:29] <JGJones> I would assume so since I have a older laptop from Dell that could take much more...
[11:29] <JGJones> MooDoo, yup just done...Apple say 3GB
[11:29] <JGJones> wtf
[11:29]  * BigRedS is surprised
[11:29] <JGJones> I could put in 2x2GB, but it'll only use 3GB?!
[11:29] <pioneer> BigRedS, to true. some nice LTO tapes with sql backups and the like
[11:30] <BigRedS> this isn't a 32 bit kernel thingy is it?
[11:30] <JGJones> no, it's 10.6
[11:30] <BigRedS> pioneer: that sort of thing
[11:31] <BigRedS> we used to use an external disk whose power supply was plugged into one of those timer things. It was only powered up for an hour a day
[11:31] <pioneer> keep the hours down?
[11:35] <JGJones> BigRedS, looking at crucial.com - it say for a 2.2GHz core2duo macbook pro, the max is 4GB
[11:37] <shauno> JGJones: the older c2d claim they take 3, but should use 2x2 if the firmware is up to date
[11:38] <shauno> which is why you'll get both answers
[11:38] <shauno> also, as much as these guys don't use the exposure, this one's getting rather interesting - http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/21/lulzsec-supposedly-claims-its-biggest-coup-yet-the-entire-uk-2011-census/
[11:39] <shauno> er, don't need the expoure, rather
[11:40] <JGJones> shauno, thanks - firmware should be up to date so will get memory for the wife's macbook pro.
[11:40] <JGJones> as well as a battery.
[11:41] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:41] <JGJones> lulzsec - hardly something to boast about...all they had to do was to just go on a train with civil servents on it...they always leave a laptop withn unencrypted data lying around ;)
[11:43] <davmor2> morning czajkowski how am ya kiddo
[11:43] <pioneer> morning brobostigon
[11:43] <MooDoo> czajkowski: MORNING hugs....missed you :)
[11:44] <brobostigon> morning pioneer
[11:50]  * daubers ponders a mug of tea
[11:52] <nigelb> that reminds me that I need some tea.
[11:52]  * nigelb goes to get some.
[11:58] <daubers> \o/ tea
[12:00] <JGJones> hmm...that remind me I forgot about my tea and it's now cold.
[12:00]  * JGJones pretend it's iced tea.
[12:00] <popey> I dont mind cold tea and coffee
[12:00] <MooDoo> oooo yeah cold coffee :)
[12:00] <popey> I do mind when a full cup of cold tea or coffee are tidied away
[12:01] <JGJones> glad to know I'm not the only one then :) People usually go urgh.
[12:02] <shauno> that's what microwaves are for :p
[12:05] <pioneer> drink the cold one quick.. then go make another :)
[12:11] <MooDoo> interesting watching other meetings, nice to see what's going on
[12:16] <MooDoo> sorry popey i meant to ask you if you were supposed to be in the meeting, i got distracted
[12:18] <jpds> http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/21/lulzsec-supposedly-claims-its-biggest-coup-yet-the-entire-uk-2011-census/
[12:18] <MooDoo> jpds: it's pastebin, anyone could of put that :)
[12:18] <jpds> MooDoo: Yep.
[12:19] <MooDoo> jpds: there has already been a responce - http://pastebin.com/g1C7d82G
[12:19] <popey> I was afk MooDoo
[12:19] <shauno> figlet \o/
[12:19] <jpds> MooDoo: Ha.
[12:26] <JGJones> I'm just waiting for a civil servent to pipe up "err...where's my laptop" then I'll panic ;)
[12:30] <shauno> is it bad that I'm almost interested to see the data for mashup value?
[12:32] <shauno> it'd be a shame if the only uses it saw were evil :o)
[12:37] <JGJones> Ohhh...on this day - the world first stored-program computer ran its first program in 1948
[12:37] <JGJones> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Manchester_Small-Scale_Experimental_Machine
[12:39] <shauno> pfft.  it'll never take off
[12:39] <oimon> ah manchester, my alma mater
[12:39] <dogmatic69> most commands i run in php cli return to a var, eg: $txt = `ps ax | grep /usr/sbin/apache2 | grep -v grep | cut -c1-5 | paste -s -`; $var has the result... but something like $txt = `mysqladmin -u root -proot status` when mysql is down just shows the txt in terminal
[12:39] <dogmatic69> how do i get that text?
[12:39] <popey> redirect the output to a file and read the file?
[12:40] <JGJones> shauno, it'll fail...it doesn't have 64Kb which as anyone know is enough.
[12:41] <shauno> most likely stderr.  try tacking 2&>1 to the end of the mysql command (but inside the backticks)
[12:41] <dogmatic69> popey: ew
[12:41] <shauno> er, 2>&1, rather
[12:41] <popey> no, the "ew" is you're using php cli
[12:41] <dogmatic69> shauno: trying :)
[12:41] <dogmatic69> popey: sshhh
[12:41]  * dogmatic69 has weak bash skills
[12:42] <shauno> not sure if php has it's own way to capture stderr, but that'll be the root of it. by default you're capturing stdout only
[12:43] <dogmatic69> thanks shauno that worked
[12:43] <shauno> cool
[12:43] <dogmatic69> shauno: so what does that do?
[12:43] <dogmatic69> it redirects output from ? to ?
[12:44] <shauno> 1 is stdout, 2 is stderr.  2>&1 tells it to put stderr into stdout.
[12:44] <shauno> so you capture both as one output
[12:45] <shauno> (alternatively you could do something 2>foo.errors >foo.log, to capture them seperately)
[12:46] <shauno> I'm pretty bad at explaining these things, but that should be plenty of google-fu :)
[12:47]  * davmor2 points at Daviey 's unsuitable choice of footwear and laughs till it dawns on him that he is wearing a pair of birkenstocks
[12:58] <shauno> http://content.met.police.uk/News/eCrime-unit-arrest-man/1260269113895/1257246745756   \o/
[13:10] <daubers> shauno: There seems to be an assumption that's linked?
[13:15] <dogmatic69> shauno: tx
[13:15] <BigRedS> daubers: I think that's entirely based on timing
[13:20] <dogmatic69> how can i run a command on server B from server A
[13:21] <BigRedS> ssh serverB "command"
[13:21] <dogmatic69> thanks
[13:22] <daubers> BigRedS: So we're back to the decline in pirates causing global warming?
[13:23] <BigRedS> daubers: yup
[13:24] <daubers> http://xkcd.com/552/ \o/
[13:27] <BigRedS> I am amused at the thought that all those paper censuses are already in electronic form
[13:32] <shauno> daubers: that seems to be the impression, yeah.  bits like "DDoS attacks against a number of international business and intelligence agencies" and "in co-operation with the FBI" narrow it down quite a bit
[13:33] <BigRedS> I'd be surprised if any arrest like that wasn't in co-operation with the FBI
[13:33] <oimon> "co-operation"
[13:34] <shauno> afaict, 'co-operation' when it comes to uk/us relations means "doing as we're told"
[13:35] <oimon> especially when president blair was in charge
[13:37] <oimon> i notice that my local shopkeeper has many packets of after-eight sweets due to expire 7/11..wonder if he'll do me a deal
[13:37] <oimon> more likely he will continue to sell to people who don't check expiry dates
[13:38] <shauno> can't hurt to try.  it'll atleast give him the impression people do check the dates ;)
[13:39] <oimon> yeah, and i think i'm the only one buying them
[13:40] <BigRedS> shauno: not really. I've long put that down more to blair agreeing with bush than him being particularly subservient
[13:40] <BigRedS> in any case, there's much longer history of police cooperation between the two than the subservient-uk thing
[13:42] <davmor2> hey gord is there a way to make the App launcher go back in after it decides it doesn't want to play hide and seek anymore?
[13:43] <gord> davmor2, not that i have found, but i don't work on that so i don't know a huge amount about it
[13:43] <gord> apart from alt+f2 unity
[13:44] <davmor2> gord: Nope still not playing
[13:45] <davmor2> gord: I'm guessing there is an app causing it and I blame mumble
[13:46] <gord> davmor2, mumble is a problem app =\
[13:47] <oimon> is there another, more polite sounding word than urinal?
[13:47] <davmor2> oimon: p pot
[13:47] <gord> davmor2, we are all very sorry about it :( http://i.imgur.com/lDHCI.jpg
[13:48] <PcSett> Arternoon each :-)
[13:48] <davmor2> gord: that is the worlds saddest looking puppy
[13:49] <davmor2> gord: I'm assuming it is mumble anyway that or skype
[13:50] <gord> mumble normally acts weird for me
[13:50] <gord> like with all aspects, not just unity
[13:51] <davmor2> gord: the launcher onlt ever seems to play up when I use mumble though which is annoying considering how much my team uses mumble :)
[13:51] <oimon> new version of swype for android is much better now :D
[13:52] <gord> davmor2, run the windows version in wine? ;)
[13:52] <shauno> *gasp*  I'm telling rms!
[13:55] <BigRedS> oimon: is that the funny keyboard?
[13:56] <davmor2> gord: harsh I'd use the android version on my phone if that worked properly :)
[13:56] <oimon> BigRedS: yes, it's great..helps you type 10x faster
[13:58] <BigRedS> oimon:
[13:58] <oimon> BigRedS:
[13:58] <BigRedS> ah, I never got the hang of it...
[13:58] <BigRedS> clearly I can't manage these keyboards either :/
[13:59] <oimon> it was buggy before
[13:59] <oimon> well , it was good, then they released a buggy one, now it's good again
[13:59] <BigRedS> ahhh. This was stock on my galaxy, so I suspect it was the buggy one
[13:59] <BigRedS> that was quite a pervasive pattern
[13:59] <davmor2> gord: I found a fix restart machine
[14:01] <gmb> This makes me very, very happy: http://goons.fabcat.org
[14:01] <gmb> Just wanted to share.
[14:01]  * gmb exeunt, in pursuit of a brass band
[14:13] <dogmatic69> whats the thoughts on using git for backups?
[14:14] <dogmatic69> ie: i have a folder full of images, have a cron running every few min doing git status, if there are changes do git add && commit && push to master repo. then just back up the master repo daily or something?
[14:15] <gord> only makes sense if you want to be able to revert revisions
[14:15] <gord> i doubt you do
[14:15] <dogmatic69> sometimes
[14:16] <dogmatic69> it also makes the backups smaller as its just pushing new files instead of gzip the whole folder and uploading to S3
[14:17] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: there's rsyncalikes for s3
[14:17] <BigRedS> s3sync
[14:17] <BigRedS> it's also ruby, though :(
[14:17] <dogmatic69> :/
[14:17] <dogmatic69> **PLEASE NOTE THAT S3SYNC IS NO LONGER BEING DEVELOPED**
[14:17] <BigRedS> it still only does whole files, though. but it'll can either work on modified time or on md5s
[14:17] <BigRedS> yeah
[14:18] <BigRedS> that's mostly immaterial so long as it works now
[14:18] <BigRedS> :)
[14:18] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:19]  * popey hugs spideroak
[14:19] <BigRedS> I do keep meaning to try one of the s3fs things and plain old rsync
[14:19] <BigRedS> but I suspect that will be suboptimal
[14:21] <dogmatic69> im usinng s3cmd now, but uploading 100's of MB every day for something that has not changed
[14:21] <MooDoo> popey: tis good isn't it :)
[14:22] <dogmatic69> and when someone in the office needs to fix something on the site its a few hundred meg backup and then download.
[14:22] <dogmatic69> git pull <backup-repo> seems good
[14:23] <BigRedS> aren't you going up to an actual server instance, thoug? where you could just run rsyncd?
[14:24] <dogmatic69> atm its from instance to S3
[14:25] <dogmatic69> got a synology box that the instances could push to
[14:25] <BigRedS> ohh
[14:25] <dogmatic69> or synology could pull from
[14:25] <dogmatic69> currently there are about 5 client servers, all running exactly the same thing
[14:25] <dogmatic69> hosted software etc
[14:41] <dogmatic69> how do you make a new line in bash? just leave a space?
[14:42] <bigcalm> \n
[14:42] <bigcalm> If it's in double quotes
[14:44] <BigRedS> or just echo ""
[14:47] <dogmatic69> echo "MySQL: $mysql \n" is showing the \n
[14:49] <bigcalm> Odd
[14:49] <shauno> echo -e
[14:50] <shauno> it won't evaluate escapes by default.  echo -e this\nthat will
[14:50] <BigRedS> but echo appends a newline by default
[14:50] <MooDoo> words=”first line \n second line.”
[14:50] <MooDoo> echo -e $words
[14:51] <MooDoo> and you'll get first line
[14:51] <MooDoo> secondline
[14:51] <MooDoo> shauno: sorry missed your line :)
[14:51] <shauno> and my secondline :p
[14:51] <MooDoo> yeah
[14:51] <shauno> (long day.  I'll find anything funny)
[14:52] <shauno> just waiting for someone to echo -ne & we can start banging coconut shells together
[14:54] <shauno> I sent management an email asking if we could send someone to NZ to deliver a slap.  got the reply that we can only budget for surface mail
[14:54] <shauno> glad to see I'm not the only one having a bad-head day
[14:55] <selinuxium> popey, How do you fire up spideroak on Natty?
[14:55] <JGJones> popey what do you use for updating dyndns on a server?
[14:55] <popey> woah woah
[14:55] <popey> ALT+F2
[14:55] <popey> and ddclient
[14:55] <popey> respectively
[14:55] <selinuxium> cheers :)
[14:55] <JGJones> ta
[14:55] <selinuxium> oop
[14:56] <selinuxium> s
[14:56] <BigRedS> is there an easy way to have the MySQL commadn line client use those pretty tables even when I've done `echo $someSQL | mysql`?
[14:56] <selinuxium> erm, Spideroak installed but not found under atl-F2...
[14:56] <popey> capital S
[14:57] <shauno> BigRedS: --table ?
[14:58] <BigRedS> shauno: yes! Cheers!
[14:58] <shauno> --help|grep table  ;)
[14:59] <BigRedS> I grepped for so many things, table wasn't one of them :)
[14:59] <shauno> lol.  yet it was the first thing you asked for
[14:59] <shauno> not complaining tho, makes it easy to look clever :)
[15:00] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[15:03] <selinuxium> popey, Hmmm still not... Strange
[15:07] <oimon> ugh i hate it when i accidentally print a confidential doc to a printer a few floors away..
[15:07] <oimon> ubuntu...y u no remember my default printer?
[15:08] <selinuxium> popey, SpiderOak    (got it)
[15:08] <JGJones> oimon, it's because ubuntu love you
[15:08] <BigRedS> people still print things?
[15:08] <oimon> JGJones: it wants me to remain fit?
[15:08] <JGJones> indeed
[15:08] <oimon> BigRedS: you should see my office right now
[15:08] <oimon> under mountain of paper
[15:08] <oimon> tis the annual review season
[15:09] <BigRedS> ahh :(
[15:09] <JGJones> BigRedS, I still print. Once in a blue moon...so infrequently, the inkjet tend to get dried up and jammed
[15:09] <oimon> my inkjet at home claims to have empty cartridges, however they aren't empty
[15:10] <oimon> it seems the only way to fix those "problems" is to buy new catridges
[15:10] <oimon> swines
[15:10] <shauno> there's usually hacks around that.  they believe the wee chips on the carts rather than reality
[15:11] <revo_> hi, can you help me with lucid?
[15:11] <JGJones> oimon, that's common to Canon's I think?
[15:11] <bigcalm> !ask
[15:11]  * oimon has a canon ip4300
[15:12] <revo_> ok, let me re-phrase that
[15:12] <revo_> can i get help with lucid here, or should i move along?
[15:12] <bigcalm> revo_: please just ask your question
[15:12] <oimon> revo_: plenty of lucid users in here
[15:12] <bigcalm> If somebody can help you, they will. If not, try again later
[15:12] <JGJones> aye, Canon need their chips to be hacked if filling ink yourself.
[15:13] <oimon> JGJones: not filling ink myself though
[15:13] <oimon> i hate inkjets
[15:13] <oimon> usually i use my trust laserjet 4+
[15:13] <JGJones> oimon, not a problem with HP - I fill it up myself and it's good as new.
[15:13] <oimon> which is 20 yrs old i think
[15:13] <shauno> I just don't have a printer.  paper is evil.
[15:13] <JGJones> I didn't know Trust make printers now.
[15:13] <oimon> /trust/trusty
[15:14] <JGJones> Thought they was more of a cheap mouse/webcam's :D
[15:14] <revo_> the screen keeps blanking after 10 minutes, i have unchecked screensaver and selected never twice in energy manager, i have also appended "Off" next to "DPMS" in the xorg.conf as well as 'xset -dpms' as a start up process, what can i do to stop the screen blanking?
[15:14] <oimon> was about to throw away my laserjet because i thought it had become rubbish. .turned out that ubuntu is misclassifying it as a PS printer when it isn't, since 10.04 at least. took me ages to figure that out
[15:15] <JGJones> them old HP printers are almost as tough at the IBM Model M keyboard's
[15:15] <JGJones>  /at/as
[15:17] <oimon> revo_: although you have disabled screensaver, what time is it set to?
[15:17] <oimon> i vaguely remember a similar problem once
[15:17] <revo_> oimon, let me check
[15:17] <revo_> that would be 4 minutes oimon
[15:19] <JGJones> revo_, what's your screen timeout in Power Managements?
[15:19] <revo_> JGJones, never
[15:19] <oimon> desktop or laptop?
[15:20] <revo_> oimon, personal computer, revo acer aspire
[15:20] <revo_> nvidia ION gpu
[15:20] <oimon> i have the same machine
[15:20] <revo_> freshly installed last week
[15:20] <revo_> good huh!:)
[15:20] <JGJones> revo_, just wondering - does the same thing happen on the monitor using a different OS? Such as Windows?
[15:21] <oimon> using it as a display screen in a foyer, i have disabled screensaver
[15:21] <revo_> yes me too oimon
[15:21] <revo_> well trying to
[15:21] <revo_> JGJones, good point i could check that
[15:21] <oimon> hmm can someone verify a bug? i click help on the screensaver page and get an error
[15:21] <oimon> The file ‘/usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/en_GB/user-guide.xml’ could not be parsed because one or more of its included files is not a well-formed XML document.
[15:23] <czajkowski> `/c
[15:23] <JGJones> revo_, I only said that because many moons ago, I had an iiyama CRT monitor....after roughly 10-15 minutes it'll die on me.
[15:23] <DJones> revo_: JGJones oimon This sounds like the problem and solution to that, its something I had a problem with some years back http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1222980
[15:23]  * MooDoo pokes czajkowski oi afternoon 
[15:23] <czajkowski> hi
[15:24] <revo_> ok, i have had this problem before and adding xset -dpms to startup seemed to work, but not now
[15:25] <oimon> hdmi or vga connection?
[15:25] <revo_> vga
[15:25] <revo_> wow 2005 DJones thats way back lol
[15:25] <oimon> revo_: do you also get the bug when you click help on the screensaver page?
[15:26] <DJones> revo_: Yes I know, but that did the trick for me a while back
[15:26] <revo_> help has never worked on most apps so i dont try oimon
[15:26] <oimon> :-\
[15:26] <revo_> DJones, hey, if it works good times!
[15:26] <DJones> The post is dated 25th July 2009 though
[15:26] <DJones> the 2005 was the persons join date to the forums
[15:26] <revo_> true my bad
[15:27] <revo_> thing is it may have i totally different display when i drop it off at the school
[15:30] <revo_> DJones, xorg amended going for reboot, thank you v-much
[15:31] <oimon> is .webarchive a real apple file?
[15:31] <oimon> someone just sent me 2 files called .webarchive which i cannot view
[15:32] <shauno> sounds about right :/
[15:38] <shauno> I'd just ask them to use print as pdf. you should be able to break a webarchive into parts by hand, but it's really gotta be worth the time
[15:42] <oimon> shauno: i think i will delegate to a mac owning colleague :)
[15:42] <shauno> even easier  heh
[15:42] <shauno> but yeah.  it's safari's version of .mhtml
[15:43] <oimon> ugh
[15:43] <shauno> except they use plist instead of mime as the container.  obviously so they can remain cross-compatible with nextstep :/
[15:51] <hcfd> Reposting due to connection barf:
[15:51] <hcfd> TFTPD on Ubuntu: xinetd is the only option?
[15:52] <hcfd> tftpd-hpa is better perhaps?
[15:57] <revo_> a big massive huge thank you to DJones that xorg fix seemed to have done the business
[15:59] <DJones> revo_: You're welcome
[16:00] <revo_> :)
[16:07] <shauno> man I'm getting old.  someone mentioned sisters of mercy, and I thought of the leonard cohen song instead of the band :/
[16:09] <MooDoo> shauno: ouch
[16:12] <shauno> I saw him amsterdam a few years ago. but still, I may have to bic the greys away for that one
[16:19] <oimon> wayne hussey, lol
[16:25] <MooDoo> everyone seen AlanBell email about re-approval for the loco?
[16:26] <oimon> sees this, thinks of popey: http://www.quickmeme.com/Minecraft/
[16:26] <DJones> Another bitcoin story that doesn't involve hacking https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/06/eff-and-bitcoin The EFF has decided to stop accepting donations in the form of bitcoins
[16:26] <AlanBell> MooDoo: I did, yes :)
[16:27] <MooDoo> AlanBell: :p lol
[16:27] <MooDoo> AlanBell: might tag along :p
[16:28] <selinuxium> shauno, I am seeing the Sisters soon... :)
[16:29]  * MooDoo starts singing Dominion
[16:29]  * selinuxium starts dancing, arms outstretched, watching my shoes...
[16:39] <davmor2> I saw it I'll try and remember not to be asleep ;)
[16:41] <oimon> selinuxium: clementine has just decided to start playing the cure in homage
[16:42] <suprengr> Hiyaz all.. a quandary: I'm looking a way of encrypting a *single*  folder... putting it up on Ubuntu One... retrieving it & decrypting on another pooter.  CryptKeeper springsto mind but have not experience in that use.  Ideas [pretty please]?
[16:42] <JGJones> TrueCrypt is another solution
[16:43]  * BigRedS ponders suggesting a convoluted solution involving luks and fuse
[16:44] <BigRedS> actually, I'd probably gpg a tar of the file
[16:44] <suprengr> [nothing sinister - it's the "pictures" folder... it has family photos & therefore has daughter photos.  Don't want pervs getting near it therefore]
[16:44] <gord> i don't understand spotify at all
[16:44] <JGJones> suprengr so basically you're after a file-sync service that encrypt files before uploading?
[16:44] <gord> why can't i just give it a genre and tell it to go nuts
[16:45] <BigRedS> it gets buggier with every update. or at least did until I stopped updating it
[16:45] <suprengr> BigRedS, that was my first thought.. but I was thinking of a way of real sync for the folder.
[16:45] <BigRedS> gord: 'cause it's not lastfm
[16:45] <gord> it should be!
[16:45] <BigRedS> suprengr: ahhhhh, sync. yeah. forgot it did that
[16:46] <BigRedS> well, they can fix that when the volume knob works
[16:46] <suprengr> JGJones, yes, exactly that
[16:47] <JGJones> suprengr, if after a filesync software that encrypt before upload, I just signed up with spideroak this morning as it does that.
[16:47] <suprengr> JGJones, thanks - will have a look
[16:48]  * suprengr ponders... if onlu U1 did that...
[16:48] <JGJones> popey had a referral link that give a free 1GB extra to the free account giving you 3GB btw
[16:48] <JGJones> suprengr, aye....I agree...U1 need it.
[16:49] <shauno> popey's going to be rolling around in a 50Gb spideroak account by the end of the day ;)
[16:49] <JGJones> heh
[16:56] <daubers> AlanBell: I need to add the scifi thing to the team reapproval whatsit don't I
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> scifi thing \o/
[16:59] <gord> scifi! \o/
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> Just over 1 month to go :)
[17:01] <AlanBell> daubers: yup, that would be great
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Do you have any more details than the date yet?
[17:08] <daubers> MartijnVdS: been a touch busy :( Shall try and do something about that this evening :)
[17:09] <daubers> I've been told that regents park is really close, so would be the best bet for pinic-ing
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> daubers: it's 2 tube stops/about a km
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> well 4 tube stops, but close together
[17:10] <daubers> Heh :) Anything closer?
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> I'm not the London expert :P
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> daubers: most tube lines pass King's Cross, so anything would work really
[17:12] <daubers> Okies
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> daubers: (BL is in the middle between Euston and King's Cross St Pancras)
[17:12] <daubers> Attack of the OSM kind tonight by the look of it
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Google Maps has a London Underground overlay (heh)
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> daubers: click a station, and all lines passing it light up
[17:13] <daubers> \o/
[17:18] <shauno> there is a certain amount of irony to asking the dutch guy for directions ;)
[17:18] <daubers> Yeah, based on googley maps, regents park is the closest
[17:18] <MooDoo> googley....chuckle
[17:19] <daubers> Just tube from KC to Regents park :)
[17:20] <daubers> Can meet people for BL at the thinking dude
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> thinking dude?
[17:29] <daubers> There's a big statue of a dude thinking
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> can't find it on streetview :)
[17:29] <daubers> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=96+Euston+Road&hl=en&ll=51.528671,-0.127153&spn=0.001288,0.003484&sll=51.515069,-0.129236&sspn=0.041235,0.111494&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=51.528839,-0.127059&panoid=EIDpqbkoPCIp0lXrSqm9dg&cbp=12,276,,0,2.38
[17:29] <daubers> You can just see him with his compasses behind the tree
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> ah
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> that's the square in front of the entrance of the BL :)
[17:30]  * MartijnVdS went there last year for the maps thing
[17:30] <daubers> :)
[17:30] <Laney> ARGH
[17:31] <Laney> my tea strainer split open and dumped its contents in the bottom of the cup
[17:33] <daubers> Laney!
[17:33] <daubers> Oh noes!
[17:33] <daubers> Also!
[17:33] <JGJones> That's not a bad thing.
[17:33] <daubers> Home times!
[17:33] <JGJones> Look on the bright side.
[17:33] <JGJones> You get to read your tea leaves after you're done!
[17:33] <Laney> i get to experience their unique texture too
[17:33] <Laney> especially the sticks and seeds since it's chai
[17:34] <Laney> yum
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> Sounds like the manufacturer should be tried for treason
[17:34] <popey> ooo
[17:34]  * popey makes some mint chilli tea
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> Closest I have to that is mildly chilly tea :(
[17:35] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: not quite the same then
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: not really, no
[19:04] <andylockran> ?
[19:04] <andylockran> how do
[19:05] <jacobw> o/
[19:05] <brobostigon> o/
[19:05] <andylockran> :)
[19:06] <andylockran> things good?
[19:10] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[19:33] <Core_UK> dum dee dum
[19:37] <jacobw> ob la di ob la da do da
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> tralalala?
[19:37] <brobostigon> BOOO
[19:38] <Core_UK> What was that open source drop box alternative on the u:uk podcast?
[19:38] <jacobw> synocpy
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu One? :P
[19:38] <jacobw> syncopy even
[19:39] <Core_UK> http://syncode.com.au/apps/syncopy/?
[19:39] <jacobw> i don't think so
[19:39] <Core_UK> thats mac only
[19:40] <jacobw> i could well be wrong, i often am; you should wait for an answer from someone who knows or check the show notes on the uupc website
[19:40] <webpigeon> Martinp23: "open source" :P
[19:40] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS: ^ mistab
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: the client is... :)
[19:41] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS: the server 'aint :P
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> details, details
[19:41] <Core_UK> are Mozilla getting desperate?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: have been for a while, why?
[19:41] <Core_UK> firefox 5 out today
[19:41] <jacobw> owncloud
[19:41] <Core_UK> firefox 6 tomorrow...
[19:42] <webpigeon> Core_UK: owncloud?
[19:42] <webpigeon> jacobw beat me to it :P
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: really?
[19:42] <Core_UK> 6 no, 5 yes :P
[19:42] <Core_UK> owncloud... thank you :)
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> '6 for developers'
[19:43] <Core_UK> Is chrome the future?
[19:43] <webpigeon> Why do most projects seem to be doing major version bumps these days :/
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: Chrome/Chromium started it
[19:43] <jacobw> i'm sure their new rapid development cycle won't work, just like gnome and ubuntu's don't :P
[19:43] <JGJones> pff - Opera does it better - it goes up to 11!
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> with version 12 coming up..
[19:43] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS: yeah, but bring back the major releases being API breaks :P
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: you like niche browsers then? :)
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: nah, don't break apis, iterate!
[19:44] <jacobw> JGJones: C++ now goes up to 11 ;)
[19:44] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS: isn't that just breaking the API whenever you feel like it? :P
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: no, that's providing a new API, making the old one complain
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: then removing the old API after pushing people to the new one :)
[19:45] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, I've been using Opera since 1997 or something like that :)
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: so it's a nostalgia thing ;)
[19:45] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, Chrome's the only browser that I actually really like apart from Opera :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> I love chrome for its speed
[19:46] <Core_UK> i dont trust google
[19:46] <JGJones> but I still go back to Opera (it's still just as fast as Chrome for me)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> and its lack of memory bloat issues
[19:46] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS: then you end up with ArrayLists and Vectors :P
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ @ Mozilla
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: Chromium != Chrome
[19:46] <Core_UK> i was going to ask
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> I use Chromium, not Chrome
[19:46] <Core_UK> how independant from google am i if i use chronium?
[19:46] <Core_UK> independent*
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: as long as you don't set up sync, I don't think it talks to google at all
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: unless you use google, of course
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> (you can set the search engine to Bing if you want, and the "prediction engine")
[19:47] <jacobw> how are you independent from Richard Stallman if you use programs compiled by GCC ?
[19:47] <jacobw> :P
[19:47] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS: wonder if it does the whole, "this is a bad sight...", damn it, stop reading my brain.
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: as long as I don't have to eat things from my foot...
[19:48] <Core_UK> Why would I want to be idependant from RSM :D
[19:48] <Core_UK> google want to take over the world I know it!
[19:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> So what is Canonical/Ubuntu's position on Firefox/Thunderbird/Chrome when they are releasing new versions every 6 weeks!
[19:49] <Core_UK> they are considering Chrome i heard
[19:49] <webpigeon> TheOpenSourcerer: run away? :P
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: they just put the new versions in $currently_supported_release, don't they?>
[19:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> dunno.
[19:49] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, we'll take the latest crack, as we have always done
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> I'm sure I've had Chromium updates on natty
[19:49] <gord> version numbers really mean nothing
[19:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Historically they stuck to a version in a version
[19:49] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, I don't seem to get memory bloat with Opera
[19:49] <Core_UK> has anyone used owncloud on linux and windows?
[19:50] <JGJones> although I admit I've not really looked and compared...I just know opera "just works" for me...ie never lose a session etc.
[19:50] <jacobw> server or client?
[19:50] <Core_UK> erm
[19:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord: I agree that with the 6 weekly releases they don't really mean much. But it's a bugger for packagers and extension maintainers
[19:50] <Core_UK> either?
[19:50] <brobostigon> i get chromium updates, almost everyday, but i use the chromium daily, ppa.
[19:50] <webpigeon> Core_UK: can't say I have but it's PHP so... should work... :/
[19:50] <webpigeon> server ^
[19:50] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, not really, it depends more on if api/abi changes more than if the version numbers go up
[19:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a Thunderbird extension. And when Gecko moves froms say 4 -> 5 it can/will change APIs
[19:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Likewise 5->6
[19:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> And so on.
[19:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Every 6 weeks.
[19:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-(
[19:52] <gord> depends on their policy of api changes between major versions
[19:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Admittedly they may be small incremental changes but nevertheless it's a PITA
[19:52] <webpigeon> TheOpenSourcerer: what I was saying earlier, I don't think that every update will break the API anymore :/
[19:52] <gord> chances are they will adopt a depreciation model, depreciate old api but keep it around
[19:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> There are no guarantees - from Mozilla at least.
[19:52] <webpigeon> which means, guess if it works :P
[19:52] <Core_UK> can i use gmail + the client ?
[19:53] <webpigeon> Core_UK: it shouldn't effect gmail?
[19:53] <webpigeon> s/effect/affect/
[19:53] <jacobw> the client of what?
[19:54] <Core_UK> owncloud
[19:56] <gord> the config stuff in gnome 3 really really sucks
[19:56] <gord> it shouldn't take that long just to figure out where you change the setting for dimming a laptop screen, then being presented with the ugliest most bare interface ever =\
[19:57] <webpigeon> gord: the only thing I've had trouble finding is the wireless settings
[19:58] <webpigeon> gord: I think brightness is in power or monitor, or something like that :P
[19:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://blog.amahi.org/2011/06/21/apple-hits-amahi-with-a-cease-and-desist-wait-what/
[19:58] <gord> webpigeon, its in "screen" - which is obviously different from "display"
[19:58] <gord> obviously
[19:59] <webpigeon> obviously :P
[19:59] <gord> at least the old config for that didn't look like crap
[20:00] <webpigeon> TheOpenSourcerer: name the store contest \o/
[20:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> They should call it apps tore
[20:02] <webpigeon> TheOpenSourcerer: the store formally known as the app store? :P
[20:03] <dwatkins> good call, TheOpenSourcerer
[20:06] <webpigeon> what's wrong with a software repository anyway?
[20:08] <daubers> Software Bazaar \o/
[20:08] <webpigeon> daubers++
[20:09] <dwatkins> Software Emporium
[20:11] <webpigeon> daubers: only with what that is if canoical gets annoyed and they have to have a rename the ranamed app store
[20:14] <JGJones> It's Not Apple App Store!
[20:14] <JGJones> I Can't Believe It's Not Apple App Store
[20:15] <webpigeon> rename it to iapp store
[20:15] <JGJones> heh that would really piss Apple off :)
[20:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Apple Store :-D
[20:16] <JGJones> The Store
[20:16] <JGJones> iStore
[20:17] <webpigeon> JGJones: i think that's what apple calls their buildings where people go to tell apple they're shiny broke
[20:18] <JGJones> webpigeon, they don't have a name
[20:18] <JGJones> They just have a logo in front
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> Just like LEGO stores really
[20:18] <JGJones> uhoh...how long before LEGO get sued then?
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: no they put their own logo out ;)
[20:19] <JGJones> I once went into a LEGO store
[20:19] <webpigeon> JGJones: ah, the only one round here is a 3rd party contractor that went away and came back :(
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: came back a poor man? :)
[20:19] <JGJones> Just to have a look.
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> http://stores.lego.com/en-us/London/LandingPage.aspx
[20:19] <JGJones> Was asked by staff to kindly bugger off, they'll like to go home too :D
[20:19] <JGJones> I did spend hours in there, built many great structures.
[20:20] <JGJones> I wisely forgot my wallet that day.
[20:20] <webpigeon> s/forgot/misplaced intentionally/
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> I might be visiting the London one next month (when I'm there) -- we don't have them (really) in .nl
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/sets/72157614289501300/  ;)
[20:21] <dwatkins> I keep meaning to go to the Lego store in Milton Keynes as we pass by there occasionally.
[20:21] <JGJones> yeah that's the one I was in.
[20:21] <JGJones> It's quite small
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: ^^ This is what LEGO is for :)
[20:21] <dwatkins> aww, proper old castle Lego that's yellow :)
[20:21] <dwatkins> I started buying up the sets I used to have as a child from ebay.
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: early 80s :)
[20:22] <dwatkins> I also found there's a chess set made of castle Lego :D
[20:22] <andylockran> it'd be nice if there was a % on dp-release-upgrade
[20:22] <andylockran> mav -> natty
[20:22] <JGJones> When I was a kid, I got 4 lego lunar sheets
[20:22] <webpigeon> dwatkins: :D
[20:22] <JGJones> best thing ever.
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: it'll get there eventually
[20:22] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: It's on my work laptop.. and I need to head home soon :p
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: I got lots of roads 8-)
[20:22] <dwatkins> well, actually there are several, but the huge one is out of my price range for now
[20:22] <webpigeon> Last lego i used was a robot that couldn't add up.
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: it's a laptop.. it'll upgrade fine in your bag :)
[20:23] <JGJones> as I was always into sci-fic so getting to build spaceships etc and space structure etc was awesome.
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: are you coming to the scifi (BL) thing as well?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> s/are you/will you be/
[20:23] <dwatkins> JGJones: same here, I had quite a lot of the blue space Lego
[20:24] <JGJones> is there a link for it?
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: talk to daubers
[20:24] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: just finished..
[20:24] <andylockran> typical
[20:24] <JGJones> dwatkins, mine was mostly grey...well actually loads of colour...lego blocks always just get dumped into one giant box and you dig thru :)
[20:24] <andylockran> as soon as I complain there's no need to
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: the 24th of July
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: yeah, I have a box like that here :)
[20:25] <dwatkins> JGJones: I can hear that sound in my head now
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I rebuilt my old sets for those photos
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: the sound.. it's soothing
[20:30] <Azelphur> is there any gadget I can use on Ubuntu to detect motion on a webcam?
[20:30] <Azelphur> security camera style? :P
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: apt-cache show motion
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: like that? :)
[20:30] <Azelphur> cool :D
[20:31] <Azelphur> people keep going in the room with my £2000 supercomputer in it and stacking boxes and such in there, so I'm just going to put a couple of very loud speakers in there.
[20:31] <Azelphur> :)
[20:32] <jacobw> dang, i thought that was going to be *really* cool apt-cache easter egg
[20:32] <Azelphur> haha
[20:36] <dwatkins> Azelphur: is it a WOPR?
[20:36] <Azelphur> WOPR?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> WOPR = is a fictional military computer featured in the movie WarGames and its sequel. It is an acronym for War Operation Plan Response.
[20:37] <Azelphur> haha :P
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: so, how much did you lose in the MtGox hit? :)
[20:37] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/May%202011/IMG_20110525_034107.jpg nope, it exists
[20:37] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nothing, I don't use mtgox
[20:41] <ali1234> looking through brikipedia i now realise that i had a LOT of lego
[20:42] <andylockran> JGJones are you any relation to DJones ?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: omg there's a wiki with all sets? *bookmark*
[20:43] <ali1234> http://lego.wikia.com/
[20:44] <MooDoo> hello all
[20:44] <ali1234> also brickset.com
[20:44] <dwatkins> there's also peeron, bricklink and brickset
[20:44] <dwatkins> :)
[20:44] <ali1234> brickset looks more complete
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Peeron and Lugnet I knew
[20:45] <ali1234> i remember saving up tokens to get this: http://www.brickset.com/detail/?Set=6893-1
[20:45] <webpigeon> I'm getting any work done this evening :P
[20:45] <dwatkins> ah yes, lugnet, sorry
[20:45] <ali1234> 4.99 on ebay, that's a travesty
[20:45] <ali1234> it's worth way more than that
[20:45] <MooDoo> now there is something i've not heard in awhile WOPR :)
[20:45] <dwatkins> yeah
[20:45] <dwatkins> MooDoo: one of my favourite films, that
[20:46] <MooDoo> dwatkins: don't tell me your password is joshua?
[20:46] <dwatkins> MooDoo: haha, no
[20:46] <MooDoo> ;)
[20:46] <dwatkins> Somewhere in that film the password became the name of the process
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I had http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/6394_Metro_Park_%26_Service_Tower
[20:48] <ali1234> so... is there some site that has scans of the instructions of all these sets? or at least parts lists?
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> Peeron used to have instructions
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> and part lists
[20:49] <ali1234> awesome
[20:51] <dwatkins> it doesn't have them any more?
[20:51] <ali1234> it still has them
[21:02] <JGJones> andylockran, heh - no relation to DJones :)
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: As far as you know... :)
[21:03] <JGJones> we're separated by up to 8 people apparently...so he's a cousin then ;)
[21:06] <daubers> isn' there a meeting this evening?
[21:07] <brobostigon> i though meetings were normally thursdays.?
[21:07] <brobostigon> thought*
[21:07] <daubers> Did I misread "Thursday" as "Today"?
[21:07] <brobostigon> today is tuesday.
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> There's a recording of the podcast today..?
[21:08] <daubers> Apparently the meeting is tomorrow :)
[21:08] <brobostigon> ok,
[21:10] <MooDoo> there is a meeting on now, loco reapprovals
[21:10] <MooDoo> quite intersting
[21:14] <MooDoo> daubers: the uk loco team is up for re-approval soon so i'm seeing how it all works :)
[21:15] <Laney> whatever is reapproval?
[21:15] <Laney> proving that you are good?
[21:16] <MooDoo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[21:20] <daubers> MooDoo: I read AlanBells message :)
[21:20] <daubers> MooDoo: Our wiki page looks sad :(
[21:20] <MooDoo> daubers: that's why i'm there so i can se eothers and what we need to do to make ours look wicked :)
[21:22] <daubers> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ReApprovalApplication2011
[21:22] <daubers> Need to get the RAT piccies form last year on there, and the scifi thing on there :)
[21:23] <MooDoo> i think that's the whole idea of AlanBell getting people to the meeting so we can see what happens and what we need to do
[21:33] <czajkowski> lol
[21:33] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ?
[21:35] <czajkowski> your comment above
[21:35] <MooDoo> czajkowski: wasn't meant to be funny ;(  sniff
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: "Wasn't it supposed to be funny?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apr1PQP0TO4 ;)
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: (it seems I have music for EVERY occasion)
[21:40] <MooDoo> lol
[21:46] <MooDoo> so that's what happens when your application page isn't up to date :D
[21:49] <webpigeon> MooDoo: shotgun?
[21:50] <MooDoo> webpigeon: not that bad, a chance to try again :)  it's quite good really
[21:50] <webpigeon> :D
[21:51] <MooDoo> irish team now, channel just went nuts lol
[21:52] <webpigeon> good nuts or bad nuts? :P
[21:52] <MooDoo> lots of support :)
[21:52] <webpigeon> :)
[21:52] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you following now :D
[21:53] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah
[21:53] <czajkowski> awesome application
[21:54] <MooDoo> czajkowski: seems simple really prepare before hand and sail straight through
[21:54] <czajkowski> we worked on it over 2 weekends on irc and face to face
[21:55] <czajkowski> plus we have all events blogged and taken pics of
[21:55] <czajkowski> so easy to lay our hands on info
[21:55] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you can tell :)
[21:55]  * MooDoo is taking notes lol
[21:58] <MooDoo> czajkowski: simples ;)
[22:22] <MooDoo> AlanBell: interesting meeting :) liked it
[22:23] <AlanBell> thought you might :)
[22:23] <MooDoo> AlanBell: our page needs a LOT of work lol
[22:23] <AlanBell> it does
[22:25] <Azelphur> hey awesome, google autocompletes my name now with clear references to me :D
[22:25] <Azelphur> type azelp, it comes up Azelphur, Azelphur servers, Azelphur irc
[22:25] <popey> o/
[22:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:25] <MooDoo> hay popey
[22:26] <czajkowski> MooDoo: tis cool to get people into the habbit of knowing what happens in the meeting
[22:26] <czajkowski> sometimes there are agenda items
[22:27] <czajkowski> sometimes not
[22:27] <czajkowski> popey: boo
[22:27] <popey> pooped!
[22:27] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah it was good...
[22:28] <brobostigon> ok,good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:28] <MooDoo> brobostigon: laters
[22:28] <webpigeon> night brobostigon
[22:28] <czajkowski> popey: join the club
[22:28] <brobostigon> night MooDoo and webpigeon :)
[22:28] <czajkowski> chairing a meeting without having dinner is a bad bad bad idea
[22:29] <MooDoo> czajkowski: SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE.....NANDOS
[22:29] <MooDoo> ;)
[22:29] <czajkowski> I know
[22:37] <MooDoo> laters all
[22:37] <webpigeon> Laters MooDoo  o/
[23:03] <bigcalm> popey: know if we can add DNS entries on the superhub?
[23:03] <bigcalm> My android tablet might be here tomorrow and I'll need to be able to view URLs on my dev server
[23:09] <JGJones> Hmm...what's a good simple server solution that use asterix?
[23:09] <JGJones> or something like that?
[23:10] <JGJones> well...to work with a old fashioned 56K modem
[23:11] <JGJones> wanting to setup a solution where I could get a computer to dial up a text relay remotely so that I could access it anytime remotely...and MAYBE be able to carry voice for VCO (Voice Carry Over) where I could talk into phone, but replies are in text...but going complicated here...just a solution allowing me to access remotely to dial a 56K modem?
[23:11] <JGJones> would need an equilivent to hyperterminal on Windows?
[23:13] <webpigeon> JGJones: i'm not sure but we used miniterm for cisco routers, i know hyperterminal is usually used on windows for that...
[23:19] <webpigeon> JGJones: minicom sorry, too many things with simlar names
[23:22] <JGJones> webpigeon, the textphone that I use to call text relay is called a minicom too(!)
[23:23] <JGJones> mine is actually dated from the 80's and still in use.
[23:23] <webpigeon> :P
[23:23] <JGJones> and I hate the goddamn thing.
[23:23] <JGJones> 1 line display, and I type faster than it can transmit.
[23:23] <webpigeon> oh dear :(
[23:24] <JGJones> hyperterminal was one solution...but alas...I don't use Windows :)
[23:24] <JGJones> so wondered if there was an equlivent software for linux (don't care if it's CLI based)
[23:26] <JGJones> just need to be able to communicate in V18 protocol
[23:26] <webpigeon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minicom or maybe even putty, but i'm not sure putty can do it
[23:26] <JGJones> or Baudot
[23:29] <Laney> hmm
[23:29] <Laney> to kindle with the MSE discount or not to kindle with the MSE discount?
[23:30] <Core_UK> What is the best dropbox alternative, if anyone has any experience in that area?
[23:31] <webpigeon> rsync + ssh :P
[23:31] <bigcalm> SyncAny.org might be, once it's ready
[23:32] <bigcalm> I'm waiting for windows and linux interfaces to be ready without fiddling then will move away from dropbox
[23:32] <bigcalm> Might fill up my dropbox account with /dev/random before leaving
[23:32] <Laney> sparkleshare (H)
[23:32] <Laney> (might not actually do what you want)
[23:32] <bigcalm> Spider Oak is another alternative
[23:33] <webpigeon> file sync is something with seems to have ballooned many projects as of late
[23:34]  * bigcalm heads to bed
[23:37] <AlanBell> JGJones: so you want a V18 modem at home or something plugged into a POTS line
[23:37] <AlanBell> then SSH in and talk to the modem which talks to minicom users
[23:38] <AlanBell> !info cutecom
[23:39] <AlanBell> hmm, quite basic
[23:39] <JGJones> AlanBell, Thanks! I'll check it out
[23:39] <AlanBell> I don't think I have any hardware at all with a modem now
[23:41] <AlanBell> a friend of mine has a minicom hardware device, but I think facebook has taken over now
[23:41] <JGJones> I don't either...would have to get one on ebay
[23:43] <AlanBell> so you want to use it with a voice relay service or something?
[23:43] <JGJones> pretty much yes
[23:44] <JGJones> there's only 1 text relay in UK at the moment - http://www.textrelay.org/
[23:44] <AlanBell> do they not have other protocol support over IP?
[23:44] <JGJones> no
[23:45] <AlanBell> that sucks
[23:45] <JGJones> BT pay for it - they aren't going to put in any extra money for R&D
[23:45] <AlanBell> ah, right
[23:46] <JGJones> In USA - they operate differently - all telecommunication pay into a central "pot" for access services
[23:46] <AlanBell> probably not R&D costs (I did the research just now, in my head) they just don't want it being used by many people
[23:46] <JGJones> and out of this - there are many video, text and captioned relays - the more users they have, the bigger share of the pot they get basically.
[23:46] <JGJones> I've used their services...damn fantastic...even have iPad/Android apps etc.
[23:47] <JGJones> there are private companies doing the same here, but I have to pay for it
[23:48] <JGJones> signvideo.co.uk is what I use - but it cost £80 a week.
[23:48] <AlanBell> hmm, ok interesting
[23:48] <JGJones> for roughly about 2 hours a week.
[23:49] <JGJones> however that's paid by Access to Work not myself thank feck, but the Gov is cutting AtW fund so it's uncertain if I can continue with it.
[23:49] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:49] <JGJones> night