[01:12] howdy === chalcedo- is now known as chalcedony [05:54] identify PcSett [05:58] Pcsett password qx9yk4 [06:06] moin [06:07] OK - Hi! :-) [06:09] PcSett: I'm sure you might want to change that password. [06:10] (and not send it to a public channel :)) [06:11] that too ;) [06:24] Hi :-) [07:17] morning all [07:47] morning [07:49] Morning all [08:13] Hi PcSett don't know if you've changed it, but but just looking at scrollback, you typed your nickserv password into the channel [08:14] 06:12:28 -!- PcSett [~mumper@host86-135-56-156.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] [08:14] oh, back [08:14] sorry [08:14] DJones: been there, done that ;) [08:14] 2 [08:14] bah! [08:15] danfish: I think most people have done it once [08:27] Hmm - ta popey for letting us know about dropbox - I still have it, but no documents etc in it - I treat it as an insecure flash disk now [08:28] the lack of having your own encryption key is an issue (same problem I have with Ubuntu One) [08:30] but while searching Android market, I came across Wuala - you encrypt data before you upload to them [08:30] I'm mildly disappointed that this is a surprise to anyone. you'd have thought that we'd know by now that this is how online services work. especially (cost-)free ones [08:30] www.wuala.com [08:31] free account comes with 1GB - enough for documents etc. [08:31] JGJones: i use spideroak [08:31] and should be quicker than dropbox as their servers are based in Europe [08:31] encrypted end to end [08:32] looking at that - have heard of spideroak, but never used - for a long time now, I've used Jungledisk for online backup [08:34] jungledisk backup at moment cost me about 30p a month ;-) [08:34] its not backup I'm after, but sync [08:47] hello all [08:47] o/ [08:47] :) [09:13] ubuntu one would be picking up customers right now if they had fully functioning multi platform client [09:14] I believe they are working on it. [09:15] oimon: it's hilarious that it's not even multi-distro 'compatible' [09:15] I'd be using it now if I hadn't been told off for using Debian... [09:15] dropbox works really well. Well, it just works. [09:16] TheOpenSourcerer: it does work really well, but then again so does spideroak as well :D [09:16] i don't think dropbox deserve my attention [09:16] There is sparkleshare. [09:17] companies that can't be trsuted with the small things (telling the truth) can't be trusted with the big things [09:17] That it does - hence I use it as a quick'n'dirty insecure flash disk, but I've now signed up for spideroak so I can sync my documents too. [09:18] * oimon only uses ubuntu-based distros anyway, so can use ubuntu one [09:18] nigelb: i am utterly unimpressed with the way the u1 file sync project has been managed over the years [09:18] syncany: "We're making good progress: the team is growing, the Windows version almost on the same level as the Linux version" [09:18] :P [09:18] JGJones: spideroak works really well [09:18] /cc aquarius [09:18] I am aware of your concerns. :) [09:18] :D [09:19] proxy proxy proxy [09:19] I think Canonical should forcably look to putting a proxy in the office [09:19] look to forciably [09:19] -typos and syntax failure [09:20] syncany could be a solution for me since i have unlimited storage available via an ssh account [09:21] forcibly :P [09:21] popey: git doesn't work with proxy either :| [09:21] * nigelb was mad when he found that out. [09:24] morning [09:25] dogmatic69: morning [09:26] o/ [09:26] popey you should have another 1GB free with spideroak :) [09:26] anyone know how to make bash files work in netbeans, or... a ide that is nice for bash (non terminal) [09:26] thanks [09:27] JGJones: you work for them or something? ;) [09:27] ah just seen the tweet [09:27] http://t.co/uephzJJ [09:27] MooDoo, heh :) nah, popey tweeted a referral link [09:27] ☺ [09:30] popey: Neat :D [09:32] small bug in spideroak UI - it tells me "Available Storage: 2GBs Free" but in Storage Bar, it say 3GB :) [09:33] heh [09:33] just been reading up about ensemble in Ubuntu. Seems a bit loopy. [09:33] AlanBell: I don't get it either [09:34] so if I am reading it right, you spin up an Amazon EC2 image, which then can spin up another one to run MySQL and another one to run wordpress and it configures them to talk to each other [09:34] s/wordpress/other stuff/ [09:35] isn't it like the VMware orchestrator? [09:35] so by my calculations that is three VMs where you pay by the second to run one wordpress [09:38] congratulations, you can count higher than most the people on the cloud bandwagon ;) [09:38] pff the numering scheme always work for me - one, two, many. [09:39] they should call the plural of formula, formulae though [09:39] especially if they will use fancy latin words as principia [09:40] the ensemble makes sense to me though [09:41] I think they need to pick a better example use-case than wordpress [09:41] oh, i was reading https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/ [09:41] there wasn't any wordpress mentioned [09:41] https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/docs/user-tutorial.html#scaling-the-ensemble [09:43] and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxMhKbDSbOw [09:45] I'm still not sure what $18/month for EC2 actually gets you over paying the same for a vps. besides having to pay per GB for your traffic [09:46] rapid scalability? [09:46] for what? [09:47] Morning [09:48] Morning all o/ [09:50] shauno, I'm using EC2 for webhost at the moment [09:51] using the free tier so it's costing me nothing for a year. [09:51] after that I'll just switch to a VPS [10:00] AlanBell, iirc it deploys to individual EC2 instances now, but thats because its early in development, in the future it'll do multiple services per machine [10:00] i think the entire thing is really just about getting lots of different services up and talking to each other quickly [10:02] Morning all, I have a dir in /home/andy called www which is synced with U1 [10:02] Is there a way I can not sync certain sub dirs in that www dir ? [10:03] diplo, not explicitly i think, its worth noting that u1 does not follow sym links, so if you make those dir's sym links to somewhere else then it won't sync those dirs [10:04] ok, that's worth a try thanks [10:08] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/21/nokia_singapore_meego_but_no_windows/ << Nokia unveils first and last ever Meego phone [10:13] gord: yeah, it just seems like a harder way to do stuff === denny- is now known as denny [11:00] morning all [11:00] davmor2: morning matey [11:00] morning davmor2 [11:00] MooDoo: Morning me owld mukka [11:01] davmor2: how are you chap? [11:01] nigelb: morning dude [11:01] davmor2: *yawn* though I'm seriously questioning its morning [11:01] MooDoo: I've been better but on the whole I can't complain [11:01] Its a lazy afternoon for me [11:01] nigelb: nice [11:01] davmor2: u poorly? or just busy? [11:02] MooDoo: just feeling blurrrr mostly tired I guess need a holiday to recharge oh I got one next week :D [11:02] does a . in front of a @twitter hide it from others? [11:03] davmor2: i get on the week after, whitby :D [11:03] oimon: It stops it from being hidden from others [11:03] starting a tweet with @ hides it from most clients [11:03] nigelb: oh. so what's the shortcut for a DM? [11:04] MooDoo: We are off to Bakewell for the week, hmmmmmm lots of tarts (the edible kinda, minds out of gutters) [11:04] oimon: On the new web us, just press 'M' [11:04] *ui [11:04] davmor2, you in dublin next week? [11:05] gord: Nope [11:06] davmor2: i'll be there at the weekend :D [11:06] davmor2, boo [11:06] davmor2: father in law has a static caravan there :) [11:07] gord: yeah I know but we aren't platform dude [11:08] davmor2, please change jobs entirely, i require other uk'ers to gasp in shock at Daviey's flip flops [11:08] MooDoo: where bakewell? [11:08] davmor2: yeah :) about 4 mins out the town center :) where you staying :) [11:09] gord: isn't AQ there surely between the 2 of you, you'll be able to make him cry enough to lose them :) [11:09] gord: Daviey has flip flops? O_O [11:09] MooDoo: we will be at the Camping and Caravanning Club site let me grab the details [11:10] davmor2: +1 to that ;) [11:10] davmor2: i'll pmsl laughing if it's the same site lol [11:10] greenhills? [11:13] MooDoo: Nope but not far away Bakewell Camping and Caravanning Club Site, Hopping Lane, Youlgreave, Bakewell, Derbyshire, DE45 1NA. We get there Sunday [11:16] davmor2: aye not that far at all from me....i'm the other side of bakewell [11:19] Seem all the news are all for IT security lately - Distribute.IT was cracked and around 4800 sites lost along with emails. [11:19] Aussie hosting company [11:20] JGJones: Oh yay :| [11:20] davmor2: have a fun time, it's a glorious area and if you get up there early enough, give us a buzz, i'm sure i can shout you a pint [11:21] MooDoo: We'll have to meet up somewhere just so we can say we are not bots on an irc channel [11:21] davmor2: yeah :) [11:21] * MooDoo starts to hick fizz blerp i'm not a bot wibble wibble [11:22] http://goo.gl/CaLpg - about Distribute.IT for those interested (seem even their backup was destroyed...ouch) [11:26] that is ouch. that's more disgrunted employee ouch, than drive-by vandalism [11:26] Unlike the case of Sony, this one doesn't seem to be an attempt to showcase the insecurity of the system. It seems to be just to stop their business. [11:28] hey, bit of a random question. Does anyone know if using noatime as a partition mount option will disable Zeitgeist logging (my super +f is being odd) [11:28] Quick question - got a Macbook Pro (Core2Duo) - what's the maximum memory I can stuff into it? [11:28] ouch, another reason to use offsite backup's of your servers info [11:28] Can it take 2x2GB? [11:29] pioneer: more pertinently, off *line* backups [11:29] JGJones: I'd be surprised if it couldn't [11:29] google it? [11:29] I would assume so since I have a older laptop from Dell that could take much more... [11:29] MooDoo, yup just done...Apple say 3GB [11:29] wtf [11:29] * BigRedS is surprised [11:29] I could put in 2x2GB, but it'll only use 3GB?! [11:29] BigRedS, to true. some nice LTO tapes with sql backups and the like [11:30] this isn't a 32 bit kernel thingy is it? [11:30] no, it's 10.6 [11:30] pioneer: that sort of thing [11:31] we used to use an external disk whose power supply was plugged into one of those timer things. It was only powered up for an hour a day [11:31] keep the hours down? [11:35] BigRedS, looking at crucial.com - it say for a 2.2GHz core2duo macbook pro, the max is 4GB [11:37] JGJones: the older c2d claim they take 3, but should use 2x2 if the firmware is up to date [11:38] which is why you'll get both answers [11:38] also, as much as these guys don't use the exposure, this one's getting rather interesting - http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/21/lulzsec-supposedly-claims-its-biggest-coup-yet-the-entire-uk-2011-census/ [11:39] er, don't need the expoure, rather [11:40] shauno, thanks - firmware should be up to date so will get memory for the wife's macbook pro. [11:40] as well as a battery. [11:41] good morning everyone, [11:41] lulzsec - hardly something to boast about...all they had to do was to just go on a train with civil servents on it...they always leave a laptop withn unencrypted data lying around ;) === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [11:43] morning czajkowski how am ya kiddo [11:43] morning brobostigon [11:43] czajkowski: MORNING hugs....missed you :) [11:44] morning pioneer [11:50] * daubers ponders a mug of tea [11:52] that reminds me that I need some tea. [11:52] * nigelb goes to get some. [11:58] \o/ tea [12:00] hmm...that remind me I forgot about my tea and it's now cold. [12:00] * JGJones pretend it's iced tea. [12:00] I dont mind cold tea and coffee [12:00] oooo yeah cold coffee :) [12:00] I do mind when a full cup of cold tea or coffee are tidied away [12:01] glad to know I'm not the only one then :) People usually go urgh. [12:02] that's what microwaves are for :p [12:05] drink the cold one quick.. then go make another :) [12:11] interesting watching other meetings, nice to see what's going on [12:16] sorry popey i meant to ask you if you were supposed to be in the meeting, i got distracted [12:18] http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/21/lulzsec-supposedly-claims-its-biggest-coup-yet-the-entire-uk-2011-census/ [12:18] jpds: it's pastebin, anyone could of put that :) [12:18] MooDoo: Yep. [12:19] jpds: there has already been a responce - http://pastebin.com/g1C7d82G [12:19] I was afk MooDoo [12:19] figlet \o/ [12:19] MooDoo: Ha. [12:26] I'm just waiting for a civil servent to pipe up "err...where's my laptop" then I'll panic ;) [12:30] is it bad that I'm almost interested to see the data for mashup value? [12:32] it'd be a shame if the only uses it saw were evil :o) [12:37] Ohhh...on this day - the world first stored-program computer ran its first program in 1948 [12:37] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Manchester_Small-Scale_Experimental_Machine [12:39] pfft. it'll never take off [12:39] ah manchester, my alma mater [12:39] most commands i run in php cli return to a var, eg: $txt = `ps ax | grep /usr/sbin/apache2 | grep -v grep | cut -c1-5 | paste -s -`; $var has the result... but something like $txt = `mysqladmin -u root -proot status` when mysql is down just shows the txt in terminal [12:39] how do i get that text? [12:39] redirect the output to a file and read the file? [12:40] shauno, it'll fail...it doesn't have 64Kb which as anyone know is enough. [12:41] most likely stderr. try tacking 2&>1 to the end of the mysql command (but inside the backticks) [12:41] popey: ew [12:41] er, 2>&1, rather [12:41] no, the "ew" is you're using php cli [12:41] shauno: trying :) [12:41] popey: sshhh [12:41] * dogmatic69 has weak bash skills [12:42] not sure if php has it's own way to capture stderr, but that'll be the root of it. by default you're capturing stdout only [12:43] thanks shauno that worked [12:43] cool [12:43] shauno: so what does that do? [12:43] it redirects output from ? to ? [12:44] 1 is stdout, 2 is stderr. 2>&1 tells it to put stderr into stdout. [12:44] so you capture both as one output [12:45] (alternatively you could do something 2>foo.errors >foo.log, to capture them seperately) [12:46] I'm pretty bad at explaining these things, but that should be plenty of google-fu :) [12:47] * davmor2 points at Daviey 's unsuitable choice of footwear and laughs till it dawns on him that he is wearing a pair of birkenstocks [12:58] http://content.met.police.uk/News/eCrime-unit-arrest-man/1260269113895/1257246745756 \o/ [13:10] shauno: There seems to be an assumption that's linked? [13:15] shauno: tx [13:15] daubers: I think that's entirely based on timing [13:20] how can i run a command on server B from server A [13:21] ssh serverB "command" === andatche_ is now known as andatche [13:21] thanks [13:22] BigRedS: So we're back to the decline in pirates causing global warming? === lubotu3` is now known as lubotu3 [13:23] daubers: yup [13:24] http://xkcd.com/552/ \o/ [13:27] I am amused at the thought that all those paper censuses are already in electronic form [13:32] daubers: that seems to be the impression, yeah. bits like "DDoS attacks against a number of international business and intelligence agencies" and "in co-operation with the FBI" narrow it down quite a bit [13:33] I'd be surprised if any arrest like that wasn't in co-operation with the FBI [13:33] "co-operation" [13:34] afaict, 'co-operation' when it comes to uk/us relations means "doing as we're told" [13:35] especially when president blair was in charge [13:37] i notice that my local shopkeeper has many packets of after-eight sweets due to expire 7/11..wonder if he'll do me a deal [13:37] more likely he will continue to sell to people who don't check expiry dates [13:38] can't hurt to try. it'll atleast give him the impression people do check the dates ;) [13:39] yeah, and i think i'm the only one buying them [13:40] shauno: not really. I've long put that down more to blair agreeing with bush than him being particularly subservient [13:40] in any case, there's much longer history of police cooperation between the two than the subservient-uk thing [13:42] hey gord is there a way to make the App launcher go back in after it decides it doesn't want to play hide and seek anymore? [13:43] davmor2, not that i have found, but i don't work on that so i don't know a huge amount about it [13:43] apart from alt+f2 unity [13:44] gord: Nope still not playing [13:45] gord: I'm guessing there is an app causing it and I blame mumble [13:46] davmor2, mumble is a problem app =\ [13:47] is there another, more polite sounding word than urinal? [13:47] oimon: p pot [13:47] davmor2, we are all very sorry about it :( http://i.imgur.com/lDHCI.jpg [13:48] Arternoon each :-) [13:48] gord: that is the worlds saddest looking puppy [13:49] gord: I'm assuming it is mumble anyway that or skype [13:50] mumble normally acts weird for me [13:50] like with all aspects, not just unity [13:51] gord: the launcher onlt ever seems to play up when I use mumble though which is annoying considering how much my team uses mumble :) [13:51] new version of swype for android is much better now :D [13:52] davmor2, run the windows version in wine? ;) [13:52] *gasp* I'm telling rms! [13:55] oimon: is that the funny keyboard? [13:56] gord: harsh I'd use the android version on my phone if that worked properly :) [13:56] BigRedS: yes, it's great..helps you type 10x faster [13:58] oimon: [13:58] BigRedS: [13:58] ah, I never got the hang of it... [13:58] clearly I can't manage these keyboards either :/ [13:59] it was buggy before [13:59] well , it was good, then they released a buggy one, now it's good again [13:59] ahhh. This was stock on my galaxy, so I suspect it was the buggy one [13:59] that was quite a pervasive pattern [13:59] gord: I found a fix restart machine [14:01] This makes me very, very happy: http://goons.fabcat.org [14:01] Just wanted to share. [14:01] * gmb exeunt, in pursuit of a brass band [14:13] whats the thoughts on using git for backups? [14:14] ie: i have a folder full of images, have a cron running every few min doing git status, if there are changes do git add && commit && push to master repo. then just back up the master repo daily or something? [14:15] only makes sense if you want to be able to revert revisions [14:15] i doubt you do [14:15] sometimes [14:16] it also makes the backups smaller as its just pushing new files instead of gzip the whole folder and uploading to S3 [14:17] dogmatic69: there's rsyncalikes for s3 [14:17] s3sync [14:17] it's also ruby, though :( [14:17] :/ [14:17] **PLEASE NOTE THAT S3SYNC IS NO LONGER BEING DEVELOPED** [14:17] it still only does whole files, though. but it'll can either work on modified time or on md5s [14:17] yeah [14:18] that's mostly immaterial so long as it works now [14:18] :) [14:18] ye [14:19] * popey hugs spideroak [14:19] I do keep meaning to try one of the s3fs things and plain old rsync [14:19] but I suspect that will be suboptimal [14:21] im usinng s3cmd now, but uploading 100's of MB every day for something that has not changed [14:21] popey: tis good isn't it :) [14:22] and when someone in the office needs to fix something on the site its a few hundred meg backup and then download. [14:22] git pull seems good [14:23] aren't you going up to an actual server instance, thoug? where you could just run rsyncd? [14:24] atm its from instance to S3 [14:25] got a synology box that the instances could push to [14:25] ohh [14:25] or synology could pull from [14:25] currently there are about 5 client servers, all running exactly the same thing [14:25] hosted software etc [14:41] how do you make a new line in bash? just leave a space? [14:42] \n [14:42] If it's in double quotes [14:44] or just echo "" [14:47] echo "MySQL: $mysql \n" is showing the \n [14:49] Odd [14:49] echo -e [14:50] it won't evaluate escapes by default. echo -e this\nthat will [14:50] but echo appends a newline by default [14:50] words=”first line \n second line.” [14:50] echo -e $words [14:51] and you'll get first line [14:51] secondline [14:51] shauno: sorry missed your line :) [14:51] and my secondline :p [14:51] yeah [14:51] (long day. I'll find anything funny) [14:52] just waiting for someone to echo -ne & we can start banging coconut shells together [14:54] I sent management an email asking if we could send someone to NZ to deliver a slap. got the reply that we can only budget for surface mail [14:54] glad to see I'm not the only one having a bad-head day [14:55] popey, How do you fire up spideroak on Natty? [14:55] popey what do you use for updating dyndns on a server? [14:55] woah woah [14:55] ALT+F2 [14:55] and ddclient [14:55] respectively [14:55] cheers :) [14:55] ta [14:55] oop [14:56] s [14:56] is there an easy way to have the MySQL commadn line client use those pretty tables even when I've done `echo $someSQL | mysql`? [14:56] erm, Spideroak installed but not found under atl-F2... [14:56] capital S [14:57] BigRedS: --table ? [14:58] shauno: yes! Cheers! [14:58] --help|grep table ;) [14:59] I grepped for so many things, table wasn't one of them :) [14:59] lol. yet it was the first thing you asked for [14:59] not complaining tho, makes it easy to look clever :) [15:00] haha, yeah [15:03] popey, Hmmm still not... Strange [15:07] ugh i hate it when i accidentally print a confidential doc to a printer a few floors away.. [15:07] ubuntu...y u no remember my default printer? [15:08] popey, SpiderOak (got it) [15:08] oimon, it's because ubuntu love you [15:08] people still print things? [15:08] JGJones: it wants me to remain fit? [15:08] indeed [15:08] BigRedS: you should see my office right now [15:08] under mountain of paper [15:08] tis the annual review season [15:09] ahh :( [15:09] BigRedS, I still print. Once in a blue moon...so infrequently, the inkjet tend to get dried up and jammed [15:09] my inkjet at home claims to have empty cartridges, however they aren't empty [15:10] it seems the only way to fix those "problems" is to buy new catridges [15:10] swines [15:10] there's usually hacks around that. they believe the wee chips on the carts rather than reality [15:11] hi, can you help me with lucid? [15:11] oimon, that's common to Canon's I think? [15:11] !ask [15:11] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [15:11] * oimon has a canon ip4300 [15:12] ok, let me re-phrase that [15:12] can i get help with lucid here, or should i move along? [15:12] revo_: please just ask your question [15:12] revo_: plenty of lucid users in here [15:12] If somebody can help you, they will. If not, try again later [15:12] aye, Canon need their chips to be hacked if filling ink yourself. [15:13] JGJones: not filling ink myself though [15:13] i hate inkjets [15:13] usually i use my trust laserjet 4+ [15:13] oimon, not a problem with HP - I fill it up myself and it's good as new. [15:13] which is 20 yrs old i think [15:13] I just don't have a printer. paper is evil. [15:13] I didn't know Trust make printers now. [15:13] /trust/trusty [15:14] Thought they was more of a cheap mouse/webcam's :D [15:14] the screen keeps blanking after 10 minutes, i have unchecked screensaver and selected never twice in energy manager, i have also appended "Off" next to "DPMS" in the xorg.conf as well as 'xset -dpms' as a start up process, what can i do to stop the screen blanking? [15:14] was about to throw away my laserjet because i thought it had become rubbish. .turned out that ubuntu is misclassifying it as a PS printer when it isn't, since 10.04 at least. took me ages to figure that out [15:15] them old HP printers are almost as tough at the IBM Model M keyboard's [15:15] /at/as [15:17] revo_: although you have disabled screensaver, what time is it set to? [15:17] i vaguely remember a similar problem once [15:17] oimon, let me check [15:17] that would be 4 minutes oimon [15:19] revo_, what's your screen timeout in Power Managements? [15:19] JGJones, never [15:19] desktop or laptop? [15:20] oimon, personal computer, revo acer aspire [15:20] nvidia ION gpu [15:20] i have the same machine [15:20] freshly installed last week [15:20]