| snap-l | I can't believe there's a band that put out their music as 01.rar | 01:50 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | and each of the tracks is 01.mp3, 02.mp3, etc. | 01:50 |
| snap-l | Luckily they at least had the foresight to use id3 tags. | 01:51 |
| rick_h_ | heh nice | 01:54 |
| rick_h_ | how friendly of them | 01:54 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 01:54 |
| snap-l | First chance I get, that's coming off my drive | 01:55 |
| snap-l | Also noting that 640GB is likely not going to be enough for /media/music | 01:55 |
| snap-l | I'm already at 13%, and haven't really started ripping discs. | 01:55 |
| snap-l | /dev/sdb1 615319352 70835964 513226924 13% /mnt/music | 01:55 |
| greg-g | yay /mnt/! ;) | 01:56 |
| greg-g | sorry, had to | 01:56 |
| snap-l | Yeah, delete me once, shame on me | 01:56 |
| snap-l | delete me twice, I find you and play maracas with your nuts. | 01:56 |
| greg-g | delete you twice, never delete you no more? | 01:57 |
| snap-l | Delete me once. Delete me twice. I'll undelete at any price | 01:57 |
| greg-g | heh | 01:57 |
| snap-l | I need this data like i needed it then | 01:57 |
| snap-l | I'll alway say "backed up again... someday" | 01:58 |
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| greg-g | g'morning | 11:49 |
| brousch | yessir | 11:58 |
| Wolfger | says who? | 12:29 |
| rick_h_ | says me, party party | 12:39 |
| Wolfger | bah | 12:41 |
| Wolfger | they locked our thermostat and set the temp to "uncomfortably high". It's definitely not a good morning | 12:41 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, I get that a lot here to | 12:42 |
| rick_h_ | I have a themometer I show to my boss | 12:42 |
| rick_h_ | "see, it's 80...now 80 is beach weather. I should just head to the beach" | 12:42 |
| Wolfger | Yeah, I threatened to turn the steel-toes in for sandals, and wear shorts | 12:42 |
| Wolfger | but of course nobody that I can complain to has any control over it... | 12:43 |
| Wolfger | the union guys are saying "work slower. It's too hot, and we don't want anybody getting a heart attack" | 12:43 |
| rick_h_ | lol, awesome | 12:44 |
| Wolfger | The sad thing is, it's just the offices. The plant floor is still nice and cool. | 12:44 |
| Wolfger | so I may go for a walk with my laptop and not come back | 12:44 |
| snap-l | heh | 12:58 |
| snap-l | GOod morning, internet folks | 12:59 |
| greg-g | Wolfger: it took me 3 weeks of 80+ degrees in this office and complaining to various facilities/management/etc people to get our temperature fixed. Apparently, there is one thermostat on the 2nd floor (I'm on the 4th) that controls this entire wing | 13:02 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: gotta love that | 13:11 |
| rick_h_ | our therm is in a conference room down the hall | 13:11 |
| rick_h_ | well of course that small closed room is a totally different climate than the big cube farm we're in | 13:12 |
| greg-g | no kidding. We now have 5 desktops and 8 22" monitors in here, it can get warm if you let it :) | 13:14 |
| brousch | but don't you wear sandals, shorts, and no shirt to work? | 13:15 |
| greg-g | I wish | 13:20 |
| greg-g | for a while I was wearing sandals, but now my boss is back in town | 13:20 |
| Wolfger | darned bosses | 13:22 |
| greg-g | no kidding, right? | 13:22 |
| brousch | In this Flask app that I'm writing I use a list to keep some data that changes regularly. I that list the same across threads if i deploy to mod_wsgi? https://sourceforge.net/p/waznexserver/code/ci/4028742f72bea7570941752ee42beaaec721fb47/tree/main.py | 13:27 |
| snap-l | brousch: hey hey hey, no talking about real work when we're bitching about the weather. | 13:31 |
| brousch | well technically it's a side project, so it's fun | 13:31 |
| snap-l | Heh | 13:31 |
| snap-l | Also see that Dave got you using the new beta. | 13:31 |
| brousch | yeah, i like it | 13:31 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's quite nice. Lots of good ideas in there. | 13:32 |
| brousch | i wish SF had private repos so i could host non OSS stuff there | 13:32 |
| snap-l | Not likely to happen any time soon | 13:32 |
| brousch | that's what he said too | 13:32 |
| brousch | i should go to a database backend instead of a list and eliminate any worry | 13:33 |
| snap-l | That would be my first recommendation | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: so when you deploy mod_wsgi, apache spins up several workers of your app | 13:37 |
| brousch | i think so | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | now, any requests that go the same worker that would be constant | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | but not across the apache workers | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | each of those is separate | 13:37 |
| brousch | damn | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | as apache spins up more instances to hanlde load, you'd end up with a bunch of different versions of that list | 13:37 |
| rick_h_ | you need a persistant store, sqlite, memcache, etc | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | single points like that don't let you scale beyond a single process really | 13:38 |
| rick_h_ | unless you want to get into the joys of interprocess communication | 13:38 |
| brousch | no. i want to keep it simple | 13:39 |
| snap-l | I seem to recall that the scoreboard might be useful for something like that | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | sqlite it is then | 13:39 |
| snap-l | but I may be remembering wrong | 13:39 |
| brousch | the scoreboard? | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | well, except that it doens't like multiple users at once without locking issues :/ | 13:39 |
| snap-l | Bah, install PostgreSQL | 13:39 |
| snap-l | be a man | 13:39 |
| brousch | dreamhost frowns on that | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 13:39 |
| rick_h_ | couchdb then? :) | 13:39 |
| brousch | obviously i need mongo for this | 13:40 |
| snap-l | now you have two problems | 13:40 |
| snap-l | now you have three problems | 13:40 |
| snap-l | (mongo counts for two problems) | 13:40 |
| rick_h_ | hey, I like couch | 13:40 |
| snap-l | I like couch too | 13:40 |
| * Wolfger likes couches | 13:40 | |
| brousch | time to dive into sqlalchemy | 13:41 |
| snap-l | Also loving the news that Dropbox unlocked everyone's accounts? | 13:41 |
| rick_h_ | now would be a good time for a tutoria, if only there was one coming up :) | 13:41 |
| * rick_h_ goes back to work...too depressing to think about the world's security | 13:41 | |
| snap-l | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/06/21/045228/Dropbox-Password-Goof-Let-Any-Password-Work-For-4-Hours | 13:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Sorry, man | 13:41 |
| snap-l | our podcasts might have been compromised | 13:42 |
| * snap-l doesn't keep anything in there, really | 13:42 | |
| rick_h_ | all my purchased books | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | scanned day care receipts | 13:43 |
| brousch | you mean my purchased books! | 13:43 |
| rick_h_ | meh, could be worse I guess | 13:43 |
| snap-l | "Oh shit, they might access my coupons and my FUDGE books that I'm reading on the iPhone" | 13:43 |
| snap-l | And our logo / podcasts. | 13:43 |
| brousch | i'm afraid to ask what a FUDGE book is | 13:43 |
| snap-l | http://fudgerpg.com/ | 13:44 |
| snap-l | Unfortunately their site is a hot mess, but it's a good system. | 13:44 |
| snap-l | http://fudgerpg.com/goodies/fudge-files.html | 13:44 |
| snap-l | Developed on the Internet back when folks used Usenet | 13:45 |
| Wolfger | Folks don't use Usenet anymore? | 13:58 |
| brousch | i use the net every day | 14:02 |
| snap-l | har har | 14:05 |
| snap-l | Not like they used to use Usenet | 14:05 |
| snap-l | it was the Internet's biggest forum | 14:05 |
| snap-l | I really miss Usenet some days | 14:05 |
| snap-l | then I look at other message boards and think "I'm glad I'm not paying for the privilege of having this piped directly into my house" | 14:06 |
| Wolfger | You get free broadband? :-o | 14:07 |
| Wolfger | or do you mean s/not paying/not paying extra/ | 14:07 |
| snap-l | God, Windows with Bluetooth is shit | 14:15 |
| snap-l | Paying Extra, I mean | 14:15 |
| brousch | ubuntuone needs to jump on the dropbox security woes | 14:19 |
| snap-l | And get their own? :) | 14:20 |
| Wolfger | ouch | 14:22 |
| jrwren | greg-g: what building are you in that has such poor env controls? | 14:33 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's a library building. :) | 14:35 |
| snap-l | Monitored by the finest in library sciences gestappo agents | 14:35 |
| jrwren | you realize there are over 100 libraries at umich? | 14:35 |
| snap-l | jrwren: You realize there's no such thing as library sciences gestappo agents | 14:36 |
| Wolfger | that's at least 98 too many | 14:36 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: how about a library sciences gazpacho? | 14:37 |
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| greg-g | jrwren: shapiro library | 14:39 |
| snap-l | finding the Bitcoin story fascinating | 14:42 |
| Wolfger | Possibly of interest: Free (CC-BY) icons. http://www.fatcow.com/free-icons | 14:42 |
| snap-l | nice! | 14:42 |
| Wolfger | Also a free font | 14:43 |
| Wolfger | Thanks, snap-l. Now I have that song stuck in my head. | 14:48 |
| brousch | greg-g: you work in the UGLi? | 14:51 |
| greg-g | brousch: I work on the 4th floor of it, yep :) | 14:53 |
| Wolfger | getting all specific now... | 14:53 |
| snap-l | Are you facing the Atlantic or the Pacific | 14:54 |
| snap-l | ? | 14:54 |
| greg-g | pacific | 14:55 |
| Wolfger | what are your GPS coordinates? | 14:56 |
| _stink_ | a/s/l? | 14:59 |
| rick_h_ | oooh shiny: https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite/tree/182477af93eaab667a5c7db03888788ea0f47434 | 14:59 |
| snap-l | Two months ago we migrated from MD5 hashing to freeBSD MD5 salted hashing.?The unsalted user accounts in the wild are ones that haven't been accessed in over 2 months and are considered idle. Once we are back up we will have implemented SHA-512 multi-iteration salted hashing and all users will be required to update to a new strong password. | 15:03 |
| snap-l | seriously, a site that is based on cryptographic strong hashes for currency was using MD5 salted passwords? | 15:04 |
| greg-g | who? | 15:14 |
| greg-g | bitcoin stuff? | 15:14 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 15:19 |
| greg-g | ok, pythonistas, why would one do "newlist = mylist[:]" instead of just "newlist = mylist" ? | 15:19 |
| snap-l | newlist = mylist would copy the pointer, so they'd be the same | 15:19 |
| snap-l | newlist = mylist[:] would copy the data | 15:19 |
| _stink_ | shit, i didn't know that trick. | 15:20 |
| * snap-l verifies this | 15:20 | |
| _stink_ | i would just use deepcopy or something. | 15:20 |
| snap-l | In [1]: mylist = [1,2,3] | 15:21 |
| snap-l | In [2]: mylist | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Out[2]: [1, 2, 3] | 15:21 |
| snap-l | In [3]: newlist = mylist | 15:21 |
| snap-l | In [5]: newlist.append(4) | 15:21 |
| snap-l | In [6]: mylist | 15:21 |
| snap-l | Out[6]: [1, 2, 3, 4] | 15:21 |
| greg-g | wow, thanks! | 15:21 |
| brousch | wouldn't [:] copy the pointers to any objects in the list? | 15:22 |
| snap-l | In [10]: mylist = [1,2,3] | 15:22 |
| snap-l | In [11]: newlist = mylist[:] | 15:22 |
| snap-l | In [12]: newlist.append(4) | 15:22 |
| snap-l | In [13]: mylist | 15:22 |
| snap-l | Out[13]: [1, 2, 3] | 15:22 |
| brousch | so the objects in the new list would be same as in the old? | 15:22 |
| _stink_ | i think [:] would just copy the first level. | 15:22 |
| brousch | yeah, that's what i was asking | 15:22 |
| _stink_ | like if the list held dicts, the new list would hold the same dict pointers | 15:22 |
| snap-l | _stink_: ++ | 15:22 |
| brousch | so deepcopy still has a purpose | 15:23 |
| _stink_ | right | 15:23 |
| greg-g | (this was a question for someone who works at CC and saw it in some code but didn't know exactly what it was. He's the sysadmin) | 15:23 |
| _stink_ | hey, learned something today. and it's only 10:30. | 15:23 |
| snap-l | _stink_: time to go home, then | 15:24 |
| _stink_ | damn right | 15:24 |
| rick_h_ | I'm not sure you'd want to deepcopy by default | 15:55 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, [:] is a new list from a slide | 15:55 |
| rick_h_ | /slide/slice | 15:55 |
| snap-l | http://scoopertino.com/exposed-the-imac-disaster-that-almost-was/ | 15:59 |
| snap-l | The letter from Sean Connery to Steve Jobs is priceless. | 15:59 |
| rick_h_ | https://twitter.com/#!/Pinboard/status/83187358165499904 ouch | 16:01 |
| snap-l | Wow | 16:02 |
| snap-l | Man, FF5 already | 16:03 |
| rick_h_ | looks like this coming back to bite him: https://twitter.com/#!/GDgeek/status/72671736897875970 | 16:03 |
| snap-l | Apparently Firefox got Chrome version number envy | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | https://twitter.com/#!/DavidAndGoliath/status/72736927589208065 | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 16:04 |
| snap-l | and I look forward to FF2112 | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | yea, FF on the frazy | 16:04 |
| snap-l | Should drop any day now | 16:04 |
| rick_h_ | I got an email from an automated check for the Bookie FF extension on FF6 already | 16:04 |
| snap-l | That DavidAndGoliath post doesn't make any damn sense | 16:05 |
| brousch | wtf. they were hosting 3 TB of data for $35/mo? | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | yes | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | a while back he was trying to find the absolute cheapest dedicated server hosting he could | 16:06 |
| brousch | do people pay for pinboard? | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | which I thought odd since he tries to keep a small number of boxes | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | yes | 16:06 |
| snap-l | Either they got the sweetest deal on the planet, or someone is hosting from their garage | 16:06 |
| snap-l | I did | 16:06 |
| brousch | i suggest a heapin pile of flaming poo bags on his porch | 16:06 |
| rick_h_ | well that's where that comment is from, people warning him that at that price, dont' expect a lot | 16:06 |
| snap-l | I pay $24.95 for Linode, and I expect it to be there, damnit. :) | 16:07 |
| rick_h_ | and now he's been down for 9 hours and trying to setup a new db server elsewhere to get back up | 16:07 |
| brousch | once people start actually paying you for your service you should really upgrade your hosting | 16:07 |
| snap-l | Or have a way to spin up S3 hosting quickly | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | he did an interview and prides himself on his 3 boxes repliating around them to each other | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | /s3/ec2 | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | it | 16:08 |
| snap-l | Sorry | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | s the db server that's the thing | 16:08 |
| rick_h_ | you can't just spin up db servers with TB of disk | 16:08 |
| krondor | anyone tried http://sparkleshare.org/ ? | 16:08 |
| snap-l | Though I wonder how one gets 3TB of bookmarks | 16:08 |
| snap-l | krondor: Not yet. Looks interesting | 16:08 |
| brousch | maybe it indexes like bookie? | 16:09 |
| rick_h_ | he does have a 'storage' account you get for bookie like caching of content | 16:09 |
| rick_h_ | but I've not figured out if it's just screenshots, or what | 16:09 |
| snap-l | Still, that's archive.org sizes | 16:09 |
| rick_h_ | https://twitter.com/#!/curbednetwork/status/83171089429168128 ?! | 16:11 |
| snap-l | oh fuck | 16:11 |
| snap-l | I hope he spent some of that internet cash for a PO box | 16:12 |
| snap-l | because I'd hate for people to show up at his doorstep | 16:12 |
| rick_h_ | https://twitter.com/#!/Pinboard/status/83050440689844224 | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | so looks like worst case is a new install brought up from s3 backup | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | which might take a while based on size | 16:13 |
| snap-l | Someone needs to tell him about gzip. :) | 16:14 |
| rick_h_ | http://thuktun.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/an-interview-with-maciej-ceglowski-of-pinboard/ | 16:15 |
| rick_h_ | down there has a server setup description | 16:16 |
| rick_h_ | "Too much of the site now runs in screen;" lol | 16:20 |
| snap-l | I say that boring hosting is a feature because in times of crisis you find yourself in a very comfortable and familiar setup. It’s also easy to bring people in and explain what you’re doing. And you get the benefit of a lot of documented online experience with similar tools, by people smarter than you are who write about it well. | 16:27 |
| Milyardo | rick_h_: A Liberal Arts major that knows how to use screen? My God | 16:28 |
| snap-l | at least he used screen | 16:30 |
| snap-l | instead of wondering where the job went when he logged off. ;) | 16:30 |
| brousch | Milyardo: :P | 16:30 |
| Milyardo | Indeed, I'm actually Impressed | 16:31 |
| snap-l | What's funny is how many services we use that we think are bulletproof turn out to be scotch-taped together. | 16:31 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: jcastro snap-l you guys know of any local college I could look at taking something on machine learning? stuff like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/azaraskin/5765482763/sizes/o/in/photostream/ ? | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | not seeing anything in oaklands course work | 16:32 |
| jcastro | man, no clue | 16:33 |
| rick_h_ | actually very afraid to see cobol and visual basic | 16:33 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Shit, that has math on it | 16:33 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it does :/ | 16:33 |
| snap-l | Oakland wouldn't have that. ;P | 16:33 |
| rick_h_ | I used to be good at it | 16:33 |
| rick_h_ | wondering if I could cobble enough together to grasp it | 16:33 |
| brousch | rick_h_: University of Michigan | 16:33 |
| jrwren | pinboard is $10??? WTF? | 16:33 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: there are faculty in Computer Engineering that do this stuff, but i'll have to look more about courses | 16:33 |
| _stink_ | at WSU | 16:34 |
| _stink_ | i mean | 16:34 |
| snap-l | Wayne might have something like that | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: ok, wondering if one school is known more for higher tech stuff | 16:34 |
| snap-l | Hope College would have that | 16:34 |
| _stink_ | hmm, not sure WSU is 'known' for anything | 16:34 |
| _stink_ | bums? | 16:34 |
| snap-l | WSU is known for being the university for people who don't mind parking tickets and random shit getting stolen from their car | 16:35 |
| snap-l | Oakland is for people who don't mind not learning shit (at least in the Engineering department) | 16:35 |
| snap-l | EE department, rather | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | ok, well oakland is closest so started there | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, turning up empty | 16:35 |
| jcastro | I would guess U-M | 16:36 |
| gamerchick02 | jwren, that $10 is totally worth it. | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | yea, that's a hike | 16:36 |
| snap-l | I have my Theory of Computing book if you want to borrow it, rick_h_ | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, I'm debating. Learning on my own would take a lot of time I think because I'm rusty on the math side | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | wondering if a class would help make it faster worth the $$ | 16:37 |
| brousch | snap-l: my future BIL is a cop for WSU :P | 16:37 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: http://classschedule.wayne.edu/sections_new.cfm?subj=CSC&course=5800&campus=NOSELECTION&instr=NOSELECTION | 16:37 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: look at OU's expert systems course. | 16:37 |
| rick_h_ | geeze, crazy to think my stats class was that long ago | 16:37 |
| jrwren | or AI. | 16:37 |
| jrwren | Machine Learning is just an AI specialization | 16:37 |
| * _stink_ shrugs | 16:37 | |
| snap-l | brousch: At least he'll have his work cut out for him. :) | 16:37 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: and other 5000-level courses on that site | 16:37 |
| _stink_ | fwiw | 16:37 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: ooh, thanks | 16:37 |
| _stink_ | np | 16:38 |
| rick_h_ | that looks like a definite good start | 16:38 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/Theory-Computation-Languages-Automata-Complexity/dp/0805301437 | 16:39 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: ^^ | 16:39 |
| snap-l | Mine is so old, it's a hardcover. ;) | 16:39 |
| Milyardo | My Father had that book, started reading it once, never finished it. | 16:40 |
| snap-l | Shit, i should re-read this book | 16:41 |
| jrwren | http://www2.oakland.edu/gradstudy/pages_cfm/course_detail.cfm?cterm=201130&subj=CSE&numb=513 | 16:41 |
| snap-l | Sits on my shelf like the Knuth books | 16:41 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: cool, thanks | 16:41 |
| jrwren | http://www2.oakland.edu/gradstudy/pages_cfm/course_detail.cfm?cterm=201130&subj=CSE&numb=581 | 16:42 |
| rick_h_ | I must have been in the undergrad class list | 16:42 |
| jrwren | snap-l: is brookshear any better than others/ | 16:42 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It's what we used in my upper-level Comp-Sci classes | 16:42 |
| jrwren | snap-l: why are you lking to comp theory for machine learning. | 16:42 |
| jrwren | VERY diffrent fields. | 16:42 |
| jrwren | snap-l: yeah, we used a different text, but it is not the cononical. | 16:43 |
| jrwren | I think Chomsky's work is the more canonical text. | 16:43 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: this one seems MOSt relevant: http://www2.oakland.edu/gradstudy/pages_cfm/course_detail.cfm?cterm=201130&subj=CSE&numb=616 | 16:43 |
| jrwren | the whole list is here: | 16:44 |
| jrwren | http://www2.oakland.edu/gradstudy/pages_cfm/catalog3.cfm?cterm=201130&subj=CSE&action=printable | 16:44 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Was linking to Computational Theory as part of the building blocks for Machine Learning | 16:44 |
| jrwren | oh, well, I don't know that it is really. | 16:44 |
| jrwren | i mean, it is in as much as it is the foundation for all comptuer science | 16:44 |
| jrwren | but beyond that, I dont' know that it does. | 16:44 |
| jrwren | machine learning seems to be built on basic algorithms. | 16:45 |
| jrwren | and stats | 16:45 |
| jrwren | like Bayes and Markov | 16:45 |
| snap-l | right. | 16:45 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: don't forget about http://itunes.stanford.edu/ | 16:46 |
| snap-l | Heck, even MIT Courseware | 16:46 |
| jrwren | right. | 16:46 |
| jrwren | http://see.stanford.edu/see/courseinfo.aspx?coll=348ca38a-3a6d-4052-937d-cb017338d7b1 | 16:47 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I like the look of CSE 581 as a starter | 16:47 |
| snap-l | http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-867-machine-learning-fall-2006/ | 16:47 |
| rick_h_ | only pre-req is db which I can handle no problem | 16:47 |
| jrwren | http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-867-machine-learning-fall-2006/ | 16:48 |
| rick_h_ | but the neural net/etc is stuff I'd want to get to | 16:48 |
| jrwren | oh, lol. | 16:48 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Beat you. :) | 16:48 |
| jrwren | snap-l: we must have googled the same stuff. | 16:48 |
| rick_h_ | nice | 16:48 |
| jrwren | snap-l: JYNX! U OWE ME A COKE! | 16:48 |
| snap-l | heh | 16:48 |
| rick_h_ | grumble. their class search for the schedule has no CSE section at all, just CIS | 16:50 |
| jrwren | who? OU? | 16:51 |
| rick_h_ | yea, all the drop downs of decipline have CIS vs cse | 16:51 |
| jrwren | are you in business school instaed of engineering school or something? | 16:51 |
| rick_h_ | no, I think the main site only looks at undergrad | 16:52 |
| jrwren | could be | 16:52 |
| rick_h_ | yea, got it, can find the listings now | 16:53 |
| rick_h_ | just checking if there's an offering schedule/etc | 16:53 |
| jrwren | if you think you need the focus of a classroom instead of online coursewear... we could organize something here and with CHC. | 16:53 |
| rick_h_ | cool thanks guys, lots of good links | 16:53 |
| jrwren | ya know, take the online thing together and tehn meet at CHC to discuss and review that weeks course. | 16:53 |
| jrwren | and be on teh same schedule | 16:53 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I'd love that | 16:53 |
| jrwren | i've done that with book reading group before and it was very successful IMO | 16:53 |
| rick_h_ | hah, forget a book club | 16:53 |
| rick_h_ | "machine learning club" | 16:53 |
| snap-l | It's been a while since I've worked on any of the CompSci stuff | 16:54 |
| jrwren | right | 16:54 |
| jrwren | online coursewear club | 16:54 |
| rick_h_ | cool, will have to check it out | 16:54 |
| rick_h_ | I've just had a bug recently about some of the big data type learning/recommendation stuff | 16:54 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: You are hitting the wall. :) | 16:54 |
| rick_h_ | and never got that high in school things, but it's a bit out of my casual reading/self learning branch | 16:54 |
| jrwren | big data type? | 16:54 |
| snap-l | and are looking for something to climb | 16:54 |
| rick_h_ | loved the pycon talk from the bit.ly tech | 16:55 |
| rick_h_ | big data | 16:55 |
| rick_h_ | all the social networks and their big data | 16:55 |
| rick_h_ | hopefully bookie and some larger datasets | 16:55 |
| jrwren | oh, well, I think big data is yet another field :) | 16:57 |
| jrwren | I got high in school things. | 16:57 |
| Milyardo | big data? | 16:57 |
| jrwren | see my masters degree? | 16:57 |
| jrwren | large data | 16:58 |
| rick_h_ | I tried to get a master, I just can't stand school that much. I'm a practical person I think | 16:58 |
| jrwren | right. | 16:58 |
| jrwren | you are too smart. | 16:58 |
| rick_h_ | the only reason this is coming up is that I want to try out doing practical stuff with it | 16:58 |
| brousch | school is too slow for rick_h_ | 16:58 |
| jrwren | i'm dumb enough taht I didn't figure out how dumb school was until I got far into my masters. | 16:58 |
| rick_h_ | but a few classes from those that know more than me on a subject I'm interested in might work | 16:58 |
| rick_h_ | vs a whole set of courseware | 16:59 |
| jrwren | mapreduce is really the #1 answer to large data. | 16:59 |
| jrwren | if you can't solve it with map reduce, I think you are immediately back into research land that hasn't been practically proven. | 16:59 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but there's the math on relating items | 16:59 |
| rick_h_ | you need to know what to tell map reduce to do to get meaningful stuff out | 16:59 |
| jrwren | right. | 17:00 |
| jrwren | that is the art part of the computer science | 17:00 |
| jrwren | you are basically saying "how do I knwo what map and reduce function to use" | 17:01 |
| jrwren | and sometimes that reduction part can be VERY challenging | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | so my immediate practical thing is with bookmarks | 17:01 |
| jrwren | for bookie? | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | "you're viewing this bookmark, and here are 5 like it via tags/content | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | right | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | but also at work, we've got a lot of stats data that might be interesting | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | "people that like car XXX also like car yyy" | 17:02 |
| jrwren | the "like it" sounds more like clustering. | 17:02 |
| rick_h_ | I'm not 100% on it, but the idea's been in the back of my head | 17:02 |
| jrwren | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-means_clustering | 17:02 |
| rick_h_ | right, well 'like' can be scored based on popularity (views) actual content, age, etc | 17:02 |
| rick_h_ | yea, there's a ton of ways to put the things together | 17:02 |
| jrwren | but then you need to define your distance function, and that can be challenging | 17:02 |
| rick_h_ | you have to walk through them and see what tends to help get your better scores/results | 17:03 |
| jrwren | yup | 17:03 |
| jrwren | I think all that is the art part of what we do. | 17:03 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I mean these days, customer purchase info, etc all kinds of ways to need/get invovled in this | 17:04 |
| jrwren | yup. | 17:04 |
| jrwren | amazons "customers viewing this also viewed" is a good example. | 17:04 |
| rick_h_ | right | 17:04 |
| jrwren | and you can also s/view/purchase/ | 17:05 |
| jrwren | and get a different dataset | 17:05 |
| jrwren | and when you are talking business application it is likely that both are important | 17:05 |
| jrwren | or... i mean, multiple functions are important | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: is vermont in MI? | 17:06 |
| greg-g | nope, neither are the smokies ;) | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | ok, sorry read that too fast | 17:07 |
| greg-g | should have put a "..." in there | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | got thinking maybe I went 'too far' | 17:07 |
| Milyardo | IMO application frameworks like MapRduce are often symptomatic of overuse of relation database models over object oriented or heirarchial databases | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | disagree... :) | 17:07 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: check out the NCT, they have some great maps | 17:10 |
| greg-g | cool | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | we've driven a few scenic routes that ran through it last year checking it out | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | walked a bit down a trail head, it's on our todo when the boy gets older | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | my grandmother's house in VA is like 5mi from a trail head | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | oh crap, nvm, NCT was the one we did by manistee river | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | that's the app trail | 17:11 |
| greg-g | yeah, there is some good lookign NCT up by Duluth, though. But a 12 horu drive away :( | 17:12 |
| rick_h_ | yea, VA is as well | 17:12 |
| rick_h_ | how far is the smokeys? | 17:12 |
| rick_h_ | well 10-12hr | 17:13 |
| greg-g | ish, yeah | 17:14 |
| snap-l | Time to pounce on the mail-dude. | 17:38 |
| rick_h_ | uh oh, what toy is in the mail this time? | 17:38 |
| snap-l | Just a few more ebay winnings. | 17:44 |
| Milyardo | I'm thinking about upgrading from my G1, anyone have any recommendations? The G2 seems underpowered, so I was looking at the Nexus S or Desire HD at the moment | 17:45 |
| snap-l | got some shrinkwrapped GURPS stuff for $1.99 | 17:45 |
| snap-l | My sis in law is thrilled with her G2 | 17:45 |
| rick_h_ | Milyardo: on t-mo? | 17:45 |
| snap-l | depends on what you want to do with it | 17:45 |
| Milyardo | probably play alot of emulated games on it | 17:47 |
| Milyardo | rick_h_: Yes, T-Mobile | 17:47 |
| Milyardo | No contract though, swtching carriers could be an option | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | the sensation hd is rated high | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | some good things coming out about it | 17:48 |
| Milyardo | but I've liked T-Mobile serviec in Flint though, hasn't been too bad | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | basically I'd just check through android central reviews if you're not sure | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | if you want to check out nfc, the nexus is about all there is | 17:48 |
| Milyardo | Hardware stats sound sexy, price is pretty high though | 17:49 |
| Milyardo | on the Sensation that is | 17:49 |
| rick_h_ | ok, well you didn't metion price :P | 17:49 |
| Milyardo | Pirce isn't too much an issue, but it signicantly above the others | 17:50 |
| rick_h_ | I'd probably just to the nexus | 17:51 |
| rick_h_ | I'm a fan of the google devices though | 17:51 |
| krondor | Milyardo: G2X | 17:51 |
| Milyardo | Hrmm...Pioneering AOSP development on the Sensation could be fun | 17:52 |
| Milyardo | krondor: Is the G2X a rebranded Desire HD? | 17:54 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: GURPS... when AD&D just isn't geeky enough. :-) | 17:55 |
| Wolfger | but woot on the super deal | 17:55 |
| krondor | Milyardo: Desire HD is an HTC, G2X is an LG. It's dual core (tegra 2) and a stock google experience (though not a 'google' phone so not clue on how updates will work). | 17:56 |
| krondor | g2x versus htc sensation http://androinica.com/2011/04/t-mobile-g2x-vs-htc-sensation/ | 17:57 |
| krondor | also it has official Cyanogenmod support which is more important to me really... http://www.cyanogenmod.com/devices/t-mobile-g2x | 18:01 |
| jrwren | Milyardo: MayReduce is not an "application framework" so I don't know what you are talking about. | 18:02 |
| jrwren | MapRduce also has nothing to do with RDB models or OO or Heirarchial db. | 18:03 |
| Milyardo | Ignoring Tegra, The Sensation seems to have better hardware | 18:07 |
| Milyardo | jrwren: If its not an software framework then what is it? | 18:07 |
| rick_h_ | basically a giant csv parser | 18:08 |
| krondor | Milyardo: yeah sensations has a better screen, proc is better in some ways/worse in others, but it has sense ui and I think the locked bootloader stuff (before htc reversed on that) not sure on the last bit | 18:13 |
| Milyardo | Tegra does interest me, might have to look into it | 18:14 |
| brousch | krondor: i use cyanogenmod support as a necessary feature too | 18:16 |
| binbrain | any "easy" way to maintain the formatted output of a command when dumping the output to a file? | 18:24 |
| binbrain | nm | 18:29 |
| brousch | i went down to The Geek Group's building at lunch and got to see this in action http://thegeekgroup.org/2011/06/18/captains-blog-tesla-coil-tuning/ | 18:32 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Hey now. :) | 18:36 |
| snap-l | Anyone have an opinion on the vornado fans? Are they just hype? | 18:40 |
| gamerchick02 | the what? | 18:49 |
| gamerchick02 | fans as in a fan to keep you cool? *confused* | 18:50 |
| snap-l | yes | 18:52 |
| gamerchick02 | ok | 18:52 |
| gamerchick02 | i thought you were talking about fans as in a fan of a team. i read that wrong | 18:53 |
| _stink_ | i was thinking that if this is about a thing that moves air, then i am impressed | 18:53 |
| gamerchick02 | and i haven't heard anything about vornado. sounds like a cross between a volcano and a tornado or something. | 18:53 |
| _stink_ | because i can never imagine caring about the quality of a fan. | 18:53 |
| gamerchick02 | well, you want something decent, IMHO | 18:53 |
| snap-l | heh | 18:54 |
| snap-l | http://www.bifter.co.uk/ <- This is awesome. | 19:13 |
| jrwren | Milyardo: an algorithm. MapReduce: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.163.5292&rank=1 | 19:13 |
| jrwren | MapReduce is a programming model and an associated implementation for processing and generating large data sets. | 19:13 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: I've got 3 vornados | 19:33 |
| rick_h_ | I love them personally, medium one is best | 19:33 |
| rick_h_ | really want to get a larger one but they're $$ | 19:33 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'm not sure I'm ready to spend $60 on a fan. :) | 19:33 |
| snap-l | but figured you might have an opinion. :) | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | they're definitely worth it over a normal rotating fan | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | I got one from woot, amazon special, and just paid for the 3rd after loving the other two | 19:34 |
| snap-l | Which one do you have, the 630? | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | http://goo.gl/JuXuk | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | http://goo.gl/3AmqY | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | yea, 630 and 730 | 19:34 |
| snap-l | Yeah, the 730 looks nice | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea, my fav | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | if you want to try one let me know | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | I'll bring it to CHC | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | can bring one of each down | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | borrow it while we're away | 19:35 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that would be great | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | remind me to grab them | 19:35 |
| snap-l | Sure thing | 19:35 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, will do | 19:35 |
| snap-l | Wish List Extension for Chrome | 19:36 |
| snap-l | Keep track of what you want. Add anything from any website to your Amazon Wish List. | 19:36 |
| snap-l | OK, that's just dangerous | 19:36 |
| binbrain | OMG, who knew about this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXcb7VPw59s | 19:39 |
| snap-l | I think I'm going to give up on twit vides | 19:42 |
| snap-l | and just do the audio streams instead. | 19:42 |
| rick_h_ | I'm getting close to giving up on twit | 19:42 |
| snap-l | nad just download the ones that are interesting | 19:42 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I don't want to go that far, but I'm understanding why you would say that | 19:42 |
| rick_h_ | it's been getting bad lately imo | 19:43 |
| snap-l | I think the tech news is just bad | 19:43 |
| rick_h_ | down to really just TNT, TWiT, and google | 19:43 |
| rick_h_ | maybe | 19:43 |
| snap-l | Just depressing to hear about all of the locked-down stuff, security breaches, and people behaving badly. | 19:44 |
| rick_h_ | well and they're starting to sound kind of uninformed more and more | 19:44 |
| snap-l | meh, to a certain extent | 19:45 |
| snap-l | I think you just need a break from tech | 19:45 |
| snap-l | like, say a week | 19:45 |
| rick_h_ | heh, sounds good to me | 19:45 |
| snap-l | starting Thursday | 19:45 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I can't even find a good tech book for the trip | 19:45 |
| rick_h_ | thinking I might just drop it all and go fun book or something | 19:45 |
| brousch | go no book | 19:52 |
| brousch | listen to the voices in your head | 19:52 |
| snap-l | the voices in my head need an editor, badly | 19:54 |
| TeamXlink | What amd atholn 64 would be equilvalent to a pentium 4 2.8 ghz hyperthreading? | 19:55 |
| brousch | TeamXlink: http://paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/ | 19:56 |
| rick_h_ | I guess no, intel ftw | 19:56 |
| TeamXlink | Thank you for the link! | 19:56 |
| snap-l | http://www.anandtech.com/show/1657 | 19:56 |
| snap-l | brousch's Google Foo is better than mine. :) | 19:56 |
| snap-l | Though that's newer CPUs | 19:57 |
| brousch | this one is probably more useful http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php | 19:57 |
| TeamXlink | Ah, thank you! | 19:58 |
| TeamXlink | That gave me what I needed to know. | 19:58 |
| brousch | i would guess amd athlon xp 2400+ or 2500+ | 20:00 |
| snap-l | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+9850B+Quad-Core | 20:04 |
| snap-l | That's my desktop machine | 20:04 |
| TeamXlink | Nice computer. | 20:05 |
| snap-l | It's old now. :) | 20:06 |
| TeamXlink | LOL | 20:06 |
| snap-l | It was middling when I bought it | 20:06 |
| snap-l | COnsidering the upper level machines are in the 8000+ mark now, I don't think this thing will be winning any races | 20:06 |
| TeamXlink | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Pentium+4+2.00GHz | 20:08 |
| TeamXlink | My motherboard can't support the 2.8 ghz Pentium 4 I got, my motherboard only supports 544MHz FSB, the Pentium 4 2.8 GHZ is 800MHz FSB. At the moment I hgave to use my 2.00GHZ Pentium 4.. | 20:10 |
| snap-l | I <3 that when I'm connected to the VPN at work, I can't test anything with SOAPUI | 20:12 |
| snap-l | h, because of the stupid proxy | 20:14 |
| snap-l | <- idgit | 20:14 |
| TeamXlink | I'm looking for a Micro ATX motherboard that supports: Socket 478, 800MHz FSB, 8x AGP, four or less expansion slots (Including AGP because the case I have only has 4 slots), and has at least 2 sata ports.(At the moment I'm using a PCI Sata card, but I'd rather have it on the motherboard). Newegg stoped selling 478 motherboards, where is a good place to look? | 20:15 |
| snap-l | eBay, more than likely | 20:16 |
| TeamXlink | Thank you. | 20:16 |
| snap-l | Not sure where else might carry them | 20:16 |
| brousch | am i totally dense for having no clue what dh_python2 is? | 20:16 |
| snap-l | dhh_python2 is python written by dhh. ;) | 20:17 |
| brousch | that does not help me | 20:17 |
| rick_h_ | dh = debian helper | 20:20 |
| rick_h_ | dh_XXX are helpers for debian packaging | 20:20 |
| rick_h_ | db_python2 means a tool to help packaging python2 | 20:20 |
| rick_h_ | well, python2 packages | 20:20 |
| rick_h_ | http://old.nabble.com/Transitioning-Python-2-helpers-to-dh_python2-td31812316.html | 20:21 |
| rick_h_ | dh_python2 is the new goodness and we | 20:21 |
| rick_h_ | want to transition all our Python 2 packages to use it. | 20:21 |
| brousch | ok | 20:31 |
| rick_h_ | https://twitter.com/#!/Pinboard/status/83256217174147072 man it just gets crazier | 20:35 |
| brousch | probably looking for snap-l's old links | 20:36 |
| rick_h_ | hah, "you've been shown to have links to copyright material, we own your ass now!" | 20:37 |
| brousch | rick_h_: you're next! | 20:39 |
| rick_h_ | doh! | 20:39 |
| jrwren | haha. | 20:43 |
| snap-l | What the fuck? | 20:43 |
| snap-l | That's insane | 20:43 |
| jrwren | well, that is a good example of why you don't run everything on 1 hosting company. at least not if its gonna cost you $$4 | 20:43 |
| jrwren | i wonder if that could happen to dropbox or evernote | 20:43 |
| snap-l | That would suck though if they raided pinboard.in because ther ewas a link to something surreptitious. | 20:44 |
| snap-l | you want to talk about pain in the ass | 20:44 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: I doubt it, I was more being funny | 20:44 |
| snap-l | Still... :) | 20:44 |
| rick_h_ | from a twitter search the whole thing is sounding shady as can be | 20:44 |
| rick_h_ | https://twitter.com/#!/srhea/status/83232931413372928 | 20:44 |
| snap-l | Steve jackson Games lost their computers back in the 1990s because they were writing a book called Cyberpunk | 20:45 |
| snap-l | Was the catalyst for the EFF | 20:45 |
| snap-l | Oh damn | 20:45 |
| rick_h_ | between that and the earlier: https://twitter.com/#!/curbednetwork/status/83171089429168128 | 20:46 |
| rick_h_ | seems like someone is running with some cash | 20:46 |
| brousch | or is in FBI interrogation | 20:47 |
| brousch | they took ar phones! | 20:47 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 20:47 |
| rick_h_ | well I'd think they'd still be in customer records/phone | 20:47 |
| rick_h_ | now, available to answer is another matter | 20:47 |
| brousch | probably voip and the fbi took the voip servers | 20:49 |
| snap-l | I love the plea for hosting now | 21:09 |
| snap-l | for pinboard | 21:10 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 21:10 |
| rick_h_ | take 2 | 21:10 |
| snap-l | as if learning isn't an option | 21:10 |
| brousch | it's fun to commit and push code | 21:11 |
| brousch | i've never really done it before | 21:11 |
| _stink_ | did a pinboard competitor call in an anonymous tip to the FBI? | 21:12 |
| _stink_ | AHEM | 21:12 |
| rick_h_ | time for me to head home | 21:13 |
| _stink_ | we won't tell | 21:14 |
| snap-l | he | 21:14 |
| snap-l | hey, stop that man! | 21:14 |
| brousch | by "head home" you really mean "flee to mexico"? | 21:14 |
| _stink_ | hah | 21:15 |
| snap-l | I just figured out why Firefox went with a 3 month release | 21:53 |
| snap-l | The IE cake | 21:53 |
| snap-l | Now they can get quarterly cake | 21:53 |
| brousch | damn good plan | 21:55 |
| brousch | if they release every 0.1 seconds they might be able to bankrupt MS via cake expenses | 21:55 |
| jrwren | lol | 22:00 |
| jrwren | the cake is funny | 22:00 |
| jrwren | i think css animations and keeping up with ie10 beta is more likely the reason. | 22:01 |
| jrwren | IMO it will be *bad* if IE actually has more features than FF again. | 22:01 |
| jrwren | now if only FF would ship with a "use native codecs" for its html video | 22:01 |
| snap-l | if only IE++ would use web standard. ;) | 22:02 |
| brousch | but nobody uses ie 8 or 9. if you're using ie it's because you're stuck on 6 or 7 for badly-written business apps. otherwise you've moved on | 22:02 |
| binbrain | brousch: badly written business apps microsoft office online, which only supports IE for the full feature set | 22:04 |
| binbrain | ...business apps <like> microsoft... | 22:04 |
| snap-l | binbrain: Like is a strong word | 22:05 |
| snap-l | Business Apps require a standard like a tape worm requires a stomach to inhabit | 22:06 |
| snap-l | and IE is just such a tape-worm | 22:06 |
| jrwren | snap-l: not sure what you mean. | 22:10 |
| jrwren | Ie9 and IE10 are really damned good. | 22:10 |
| jrwren | is there a way to tell vim to remove teh swp after you tell it to recover? | 22:14 |
| snap-l | Yeah, you can tell it to delete | 22:15 |
| snap-l | that will remove the swap | 22:15 |
| snap-l | Trying to remain calm, but every time I see an image with a blog post that has nothing to do with the blog post, I want to smack someone. | 22:19 |
| snap-l | "I want to talk about the Ubuntu Community Process for a moment... http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellaphon/4543714593/" | 22:21 |
| devinheitmueller | snap-l: that has everything to do with the Ubuntu Community Process. | 22:21 |
| devinheitmueller | It's a social commentary! | 22:22 |
| snap-l | "It really drives me insane http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjatactics/397128807/" | 22:22 |
| snap-l | http://victorpalau.net/2011/06/21/ubuntu-hardware-debugging-hard-problems/ | 22:22 |
| snap-l | That's the latest one that set me off | 22:22 |
| devinheitmueller | The Ubuntu Community is like a fast food burger. The bun is the core code that makes up the product, and the users are like the meaty center! | 22:23 |
| snap-l | http://victorpalau.net/2011/06/02/ubuntu-certification-dell-poweredge-servers/ <- THis is much better | 22:23 |
| snap-l | This tells me "Hey, there's eomthing in there about servers, and - oh look! - it's about Dell servers! | 22:23 |
| snap-l | and not "Oh, look, there's two people looking over a piece of lighting equipment. Maybe this is about lighting. Hey, the one guy has a book. Maybe it's something about how to repair your lighting equipment with a manual?" | 22:25 |
| Wolfger | devinheitmueller: So you're saying the core code is a lot of empty calories, and the users are fatty? | 22:26 |
| snap-l | If the double-down fits. ;) | 22:26 |
| devinheitmueller | Wolfger: Yes, and the ketchup is the blood of all the users who tried to install Ubuntu and failed miserably. | 22:27 |
| devinheitmueller | I knew somebody who spent a few minutes could come up with a more absurd metaphor than I initially suggested. | 22:27 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: call me when IE gets geolocation support, and that webgl stuff is a cop-out if I've ever heard one | 22:28 |
| snap-l | Ah, ketchup can be abstracted further. The crushed tomato paste is the hopes and aspirations of those looking for working wireless drivers, mixed together with the vinegar of Broadcom drivers | 22:28 |
| jrwren | snap-l: but... but... jeff atwood is a top blogger! (re: image that has nothing to do with it) | 22:28 |
| snap-l | Adding a pinch of salt to the would to taste. | 22:28 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: i thought ie had geoloc | 22:28 |
| rick_h_ | did it make it to 10? | 22:28 |
| rick_h_ | I know 9 didn't | 22:28 |
| jrwren | must be in 10. | 22:28 |
| jrwren | i thought 9 had it. | 22:28 |
| jrwren | http://diveintohtml5.org/geolocation.html says 9.0+ | 22:29 |
| rick_h_ | http://blogs.captechconsulting.com/blog/andy-pemberton/ie9-w3c-geolocation-support | 22:29 |
| rick_h_ | ah ok | 22:29 |
| rick_h_ | cool then, nvm on that one | 22:29 |
| rick_h_ | I missed it making it in after ^^ stuff | 22:30 |
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