[01:07] <gilbert> Derath-Srvr: ping
[02:15] <Cheri703> so...how is everyone tonight?
[02:17] <Unit193> You're the one sending the meeting mails now...
[02:18] <Cheri703> yeah...?
[02:21] <Unit193> Nothing more, it just seems like it may be a shortmeeting if it's only (needed) ReLoCo updates
[02:22] <Cheri703> well, other general stuff too
[02:22] <Cheri703> and short meetings aren't bad :)
[02:23] <Unit193> +1 to that! I know a few that don't seem to get that...
[02:25] <Cheri703> I went from having very little on my calendar (actual real life things and ubuntu/online things), to having TONS to do in the next few weeks
[02:25] <Cheri703> including cleaning my house before my parents come visit >.<
[02:26] <jandrusk> Just dump everything in a closet or attic.
[02:36] <Cheri703> yeah, there will probably be at least one room that stays closed...
[02:37] <android272> when is this IRC thing close
[02:38] <Cheri703> ?
[02:38] <Cheri703> android272: what do you mean?
[02:41] <android272> I am in a family meating and cant pay atenchen to this.  the email said a start time but not a end time. this is my first time to in here I dont know how it works
[02:41] <Cheri703> oh, the meeting is next wednesday at 8
[02:41] <Cheri703> june 29th
[02:42] <android272> oh I just followed the link and signed in.
[02:42] <Cheri703> IRC is pretty much open 24/7, you can come in and talk and then leave or just leave yourself signed in
[02:42] <Cheri703> that's ok :)
[02:42] <android272> thanks.
[02:42] <Cheri703> you're welcome to come back any time
[02:42] <Cheri703> is this paul by any chance? or?
[02:46] <Cheri703> ok bye
[02:46] <Unit193> Timeout...
[03:42] <Unit193> I get firefox on a mini install?????
[03:42] <Cheri703> hrm?
[03:43] <Unit193> I installed with the mini.iso and doing upgrades without installing anything else, I get an update of firefox!
[03:44] <Cheri703> well, most people want/need a browser
[03:44] <Unit193> Not if I don't even have a GUI yet!
[03:45] <Cheri703> true
[04:30] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:30] <canthus13> weird.
[04:30] <Unit193> And when I installed the core, no X or desktop...
[04:30] <Unit193> skellat: Howdy!
[04:31] <skellat> Hello
[04:46] <canthus13> Yup. that's what I started with... what's funny is that X isn't a dependancy of Openbox... you can install openbox and not run it because X is missing.
[04:46] <Unit193> I was talking lubuntu-core
[04:47] <canthus13> Oh.
[15:32] <dniMretsaM> just sent my first mailing list message. hope I did it right...
[15:57] <gillyman> hey cheri
[15:57] <Cheri703> hello
[15:57] <gillyman> got a question for you
[15:57] <Cheri703> sure
[15:58] <gillyman> alli got her driver loaded and it will say that shes connected but when she gos to pull up the internet, it will say that server not found
[15:59] <gillyman> did she download the wrong one
[15:59] <dmcglone> gillyman what does lspci report?
[16:00] <Cheri703> it's in windows dmcglone
[16:00] <dmcglone> Ah Ok
[16:01] <andrew_> sorry my computer went stupid for a sec
[16:01] <Cheri703> uhm, that could be any of a few things. it might be that she's not getting an IP address, it could be the driver, it could be something else
[16:01] <andrew_> ok what can i do to check for that stuff
[16:02] <dmcglone> gillyman first make sure the NIC is properly reconized first in the hardware list, that will confirm whether the driver was the correct one.
[16:02] <andrew_> ok she just told me what it was doing this morning
[16:03] <andrew_> im still here
[16:03] <Cheri703> once she's connected to the network, do "ipconfig" from the command line
[16:03] <andrew_> sorry
[16:03] <Cheri703> see what it gets, if it doesn't have an ip, or it's 169.something, then it's not receiving an ip properly
[16:03] <andrew_> ok i
[16:04] <andrew_> well does windows have a command line
[16:04] <Cheri703> because if it's seeing wireless networks, and saying it is connected, that is *probably* not a driver thing (still possible though)
[16:04] <andrew_> ????
[16:04] <Cheri703> yeah, just go to start menu > run > cmd
[16:04] <Cheri703> (she's still in xp, yeah?)
[16:04] <andrew_> ok
[16:04] <andrew_> ya
[16:04] <Cheri703> kk
[16:05] <andrew_> kool i dident know that
[16:05] <Cheri703> you can also access it under start > programs > accessories > command prompt
[16:05] <Cheri703> the commands are different than ubuntu because it's dos based, but similar
[16:05] <andrew_> is there a code i need to put in to do that
[16:05] <Cheri703> just ipconfig
[16:05] <andrew_> command code
[16:05] <andrew_> ok
[16:05] <Cheri703> it will show you the info about the connection
[16:06] <andrew_> ok what do i need to look for
[16:06] <Cheri703> ip address
[16:06] <andrew_> ok
[16:06] <Cheri703> it should probably be a 192.168.something.something
[16:06] <andrew_> if she dont have one what do i need to do
[16:06] <Cheri703> if it has 0.0.0.0 or 169.something, then it's not getting one
[16:07] <andrew_> what do i need to get an ip
[16:07] <Cheri703> then you'll need to try to connect to that wireless network with a different computer, if that works, then get the ip from that one, and manually set the ip to something similar (or if you already know the ip range, just set it)
[16:08] <Cheri703> or try unplugging the router and plugging it back in after 30 seconds
[16:08] <andrew_> i dont really know how to do any of that
[16:08] <Cheri703> that might work too
[16:08] <Cheri703> ok, I can help, you can call me if you need to
[16:08] <dmcglone> andrew_: type ipconfig /renew
[16:09] <andrew_> ok i need your number, i gave your card to a friend that was starting to have soime troubles with her computer
[16:09] <andrew_> ok i'll try that
[16:10] <andrew_> if i try your way cheri, where do i go to get my ip, or can she use my ip
[16:11] <dmcglone> if your not getting an IP but your NIC is working properly, then you've got a problem with the network setup
[16:11] <Cheri703> you would just right click on the network icon in the upper right panel, choose "connection information" and if (for example) your ip was 192.168.1.101, you could give her one of 192.168.1.110 or something
[16:12] <Cheri703> yeah dmcglone, I'm just trying to suggest a way to at least make sure they have connection, router fixing can come in a bit
[16:12] <Cheri703> I pm'd you my number
[16:12] <andrew_> ok
[16:13] <canthus13> Cheri703: DNS could be an issue as well.
[16:13] <Cheri703> canthus13: true
[16:14] <Cheri703> I figure start with the things that are on the computer itself, if those check out, THEN tackle the router things
[16:14] <canthus13> could be a static IP set with a bad gateway...
[16:14] <canthus13> could just need to reinstall the drivers... :/
[16:14] <Cheri703> because if he can get online with his computer, and she can't, then we know it's her computer
[16:14] <Cheri703> so...
[16:14] <dmcglone> canthus13: thats what I was about to say
[16:14] <Cheri703> yeah, we'll see
[16:14] <canthus13> could also be the browse... check the proxy settings.
[16:14] <andrew_> ok]
[16:14] <Cheri703> canthus13: fresh reinstall of xp
[16:15] <dmcglone> Cheri703: good info there. so he's getting on but she's not
[16:15] <canthus13> ...browser.  I've seen quite I few machines with the proxy set this week.
[16:15] <andrew_> ya
[16:15] <canthus13> I'm thinking an update somewhere is messing with proxy settings.
[16:15]  * canthus13 can't type this morning. :/
[16:15] <dmcglone> canthus13: couldn't be the case, if it's a fresh install :-/
[16:15] <Cheri703> I've got to start getting ready to head out, but I'll be checking back here, just expect potentially delayed responses :)
[16:16] <canthus13> dmcglone: Sure it could.
[16:16] <andrew_> its say‌ing that shes connected but when the internet come up is saying server not found
[16:16] <canthus13> andrew_: check the proxy.  go to tools > internet options.. connections tab... lan settings.  make sure nothing is checked (except maybe automagically detect settings)
[16:17] <andrew_> ,ok
[16:17] <dmcglone> andrew, are you using a an SSID?
[16:17] <andrew_> idk im kinda new
[16:17] <andrew_> at this
[16:17] <canthus13> all good. :)
[16:17] <dmcglone> after you check the proxy settings, check so see if her computer is connecting to the correct SSID also
[16:18] <andrew_> ok where do i go to do that
[16:18] <canthus13> Is she connecting wirelessley?
[16:18] <andrew_> ya
[16:18] <dmcglone> yes canthus13
[16:18] <dmcglone> andrew_: check the connection status and see the SSID
[16:19] <canthus13> Ok.  lower right corner, by the clock... hover your mouse over the network icon and see what it's connecting to.
[16:19] <andrew_> ok
[16:20] <dmcglone> is it connecting to the same SSID as the one that is working andrew_?
[16:20] <andrew_> i dont have her computer right now
[16:20] <canthus13> ah.
[16:21] <dmcglone> then how are you fixing this?
[16:21] <andrew_> she call me asking why its doing what its doing
[16:21] <dmcglone> Ah
[16:21] <dmcglone> well thats a bummer
[16:21] <andrew_> i told her that i would get on her and ask how to fix it
[16:21] <andrew_> sorry
[16:21] <dmcglone> we can't fix it without info
[16:21] <canthus13> All good.
[16:22] <dmcglone> I agree it's all good :-)
[16:22] <andrew_> im trying to call her and have her bring over like now
[16:22] <canthus13> dmcglone: not totally true... The stuff we've named is the most common problems...
[16:22] <dmcglone> maybe we can get her to use Ubuntu instead :-)
[16:22] <canthus13> Heh.
[16:22] <andrew_> ya and i thank you guys for helping me
[16:22] <dmcglone> true canthus13 but if we go throwing out things without checking, we could make it worse... LOL
[16:22] <canthus13> No prob.
[16:22]  * canthus13 troubleshoots windows connectivity issues all day long.
[16:23] <canthus13> dmcglone: Nothing we've listed so far can break anything.
[16:23] <dmcglone> true, we haven't made any changes, so thats good... :-)
[16:23] <canthus13> I can do the basic stuff in my sleep.. (Hell, I *HAVE* done the basic stuff in my sleep, I think...)
[16:23] <dmcglone> lol canthus13
[16:23] <andrew_> lol
[16:24] <Cheri703> andrew_: if you don't make any progress, let me know, and probably thursday you could bring it over here or something
[16:24] <dmcglone> been there done that. but the past 3 days I've been working a rubiks cube in my sleep
[16:24] <andrew_> ok i will
[16:24] <andrew_> brb need more coffee
[16:24] <canthus13> dmcglone: Kinda hard to see colors with your eyes closed...
[16:25] <dmcglone> It's in my head!! lOL
[16:25] <canthus13> Heh.
[16:25] <canthus13> easy to cheat that way. :)
[16:25] <dmcglone> I've noticed I was watching tv and my mind was trying to work the TV screen like a rubiks cube
[16:26] <dmcglone> I've been at this thing for 3 days, im friggin close, but keep messing it up again
[16:27] <dniMretsaM> watch utube vids
[16:27] <dmcglone> youtube isn't gonna solve it
[16:27] <dniMretsaM> the vids help though. they teach u algorithms
[16:28] <dmcglone> how does algorithms gonna solve it?
[16:30] <dniMretsaM> they give you definite patterns for moving pieces to the right place without messing others up
[16:51] <Cheri703> Once I get home this afternoon (and after fixing this computer if I have to bring it home) I'm going to explore the world of text expansion...
[17:02] <gillyman> hey cheri
[17:02] <gillyman> im back
[17:02] <gillyman> ok
[17:02] <gillyman> alli just got here
[17:03] <gillyman> her wireless work here at my house
[17:03] <gillyman> but not at hers
[17:03] <gillyman> so the other thing that it could be is her wireless router???right
[17:04] <gillyman> canthus 13: im back
[17:04] <gillyman> its andrew
[17:05] <gillyman> i was just talking to you about my gfs wireless
[17:14] <dniMretsaM> enjoy Cheri703
[17:14] <dniMretsaM> like all over or just email or what?
[17:20] <thafreak> http://code.google.com/p/google-authenticator/
[17:20] <thafreak> you can add a pam module to your box, to add 2 factor auth for ssh logins...
[17:26] <dniMretsaM> I g2g. see you guys later
[18:51] <Unit193> skellat: Howdy doody!
[18:51] <skellat> Howdy
[18:51] <skellat> How is your Tuesday?
[18:51] <Unit193> It's going... How about you?
[18:52] <Unit193> I'm not sure I'll be able to make the meeting next week..
[18:52] <skellat> It is good so far.  Trying to figure out why one of the two PATA optical media drives is getting flaky
[19:15] <Cheri703> \o/ gotta love getting a client out of NOWHERE, neighbor across the street just dropped off her boss' computer for me to work on :)
[19:16] <skellat> Nice
[19:17] <Cheri703> and the lady was REALLY ok with the price, and even asked me to send back cards when I return it :)
[19:17] <skellat> Even better
[19:17] <skellat> We have an overabundance of computer repair places here in Ashtabula County
[19:19] <Cheri703> there are a decent number of them around here, but a. I've heard they can be snotty, b. they are fairly pricey
[19:20] <Cheri703> I'm good with non-technical people
[19:20] <Cheri703> they appreciate it. also, women often feel more comfortable having a woman to deal with, so that's helpful :)
[19:20] <Unit193> Geek Squad!
[19:20] <Cheri703> bah
[19:20] <Unit193> ;)
[19:20] <Cheri703> I often tell people: if you don't use me, that's fine, just don't use geek squad
[19:22] <canthus13> Uh-oh...spamming the ml again... :)
[19:23] <Unit193> Maybe someone can to like what Xubuntu does?
[19:26] <skellat> Unit193: Say again?
[19:29] <Unit193> Xubuntu has the meetings in #xubuntu-devel because the meeting room is booked. After the meeting, someone creates minutes and sends them with the log of the meeting to the ML
[19:54] <Unit193> Mac terminal is so close to linux that most commands transfer just fine (I know it uses the darwin kernel)
[19:57] <canthus13> Most do... yeah.  It's BSD based.
[19:58] <Unit193> I had no idea how to make a boot USB so I had to use dd (And that only would boot on a PC, not the mac :(  )
[20:24] <skellat> Cross-posted the meeting announcement to the forum FWIW
[21:51] <gilbert> Derath-Srvr: pingy ping?
[22:22] <gilbert> we need some kind of technical solution to keep the mailing list and forum crowd in sync w eachother
[22:26] <gilbert> anyone wanna work on some kind of solution for that???
[22:31] <Cheri703> gilbert: I may be poking at elgg soon
[22:32] <Cheri703> my thought was for my trial version I'd maybe try to set up something for the loco...
[22:32] <gilbert> Cheri703: aren't u fairly busy already ;)
[22:32] <Cheri703> or we could have someone just put together a weekly "forum updates" email
[22:32] <Cheri703> yes
[22:33] <gilbert> well, that would be awesome if you come up with a solution.  it really seems like we're two locos: forum vs ml
[22:33] <Cheri703> every time I look at the forum, there have been no posts for some ridiculously long time
[22:33] <gilbert> and maybe irc as a third one too
[22:34] <gilbert> hmmm, it seems like it could be much more useful if forum posts showed up to more people like on the ml
[22:34] <Cheri703> would one of the forum folks who is also on the ml volunteer to do a "key forum things" post? and also have a sticky on the forum of a link to the ml archives
[22:34] <gilbert> maybe that would increase users there
[22:34] <gilbert> Cheri703: sticky is a great idea.  we could do that now
[22:34] <Cheri703> k
[22:35] <Cheri703> perhaps a volunteer forum/ml liaison that could pass on key ml things to the forum and vice versa
[23:25] <canthus13> There are forum people? Are they dead or something?
[23:27]  * canthus13 wonders if someone is going to quit because we're having an openbox metapackage discussion in there...
[23:31] <Cheri703> TOO MUCH ACTIVITY
[23:42] <paultag> /quit openbox