[00:00] TheMuso bryceh RAOF robert_ancell (who is on holiday) Meeting time https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-06-21 [00:00] Morning. [00:01] morning TheMuso , how is the ashcloud over SYD this morning? [00:02] jasoncwarner_: Still there according to the news, but they reckon flights will be happening again by this afternoon. [00:02] I am not going to be really concerned till Friday, and only if ash is still an issue in the media. [00:03] TheMuso: sounds like a plan... [00:03] ok, let's get started and when bryceh and RAOF join we can get to X [00:03] TheMuso: could you catch me up on what is happening with ubiquity bp? [00:03] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-accessibility-ubiquity [00:04] looks like you have quite a few WIs on there for A2 [00:04] jasoncwarner_: Still talking to design about UI matters with regards to how we present the availability of accessibility profiles. [00:04] Once thats settled, coding will begin in urnist, and shouldn't take that long. [00:04] Hense the INPROGRESS with some of the WIs on that blueprint. [00:05] we need to give deadline to design on that...we can't be going into A3 still "designing". Who is the person you are working with in design? [00:06] Christian Giordano, however we are still firing emails back and forth, as a few clarrifications need to be made from my end, I am not always the best explainer. :) [00:06] So I will continue that today with an email, and I hope to get it sorted by EOW. [00:08] TheMuso, ok...could you please make it a hard goal to get it sorted by EOW? We need the 2 weeks before A2 to get it all done! [00:08] thanks [00:08] jasoncwarner_: Re RAOF, I think he may have recently been traveling, at least according to a tweat I received from him last night. [00:09] RAOF tweets? [00:09] :) [00:09] ah sorry I'm here [00:09] ah, bryceh ! [00:09] jasoncwarner_: Will do, I need to look over those WIs and see if something needs to be pushed back to Alpha 3. [00:09] jasoncwarner_: Yes he does. [00:09] bryceh: [TOPIC] X.update... [00:10] xdiagnose got in this week :-) [00:10] so that means xfailsafe and the apport hooks are moved to their new home [00:10] also, been doing lots of hardware testing and upgrading [00:11] bryceh, is xfailsafe behavior the same? [00:11] been pushing in patches incl. sru's for natty as well. There's a couple items I want to chat with RAOF about this meeting when he shows up [00:11] LLStarks, for now it is [00:11] okay [00:11] LLStarks, going forward plan is to enhance it to be more suitable for the types of problems people have these days, e.g. black screen on boot bugs and so on [00:12] mesa 7.10.3 got in, and there's new xorg and -nvidia [00:12] aside from that, still fielding a lot of questions with X issues on natty [00:13] bryceh: new nvidia? awesome...I'll update..I wasn't able to use unity last couple days b/c of x/mesa nvidia issues [00:14] bryceh: anything else? [00:14] I think with linux 3.0 hitting, that may affect nvidia a bit, but not sure [00:14] everyone, how are your A2 WIs coming? anything blocked that I need to track down? [00:14] jasoncwarner_, nothing else for X. Been doing some LP stuff but nothing worth discussion here. [00:15] doesn't appear that I have any A2 items [00:16] bryceh: ok... [00:16] jasoncwarner_: As above. [00:16] alright everyone, TheMuso try to get design of ubiquity sorted and we'll go from there. [00:16] see you all in dublin! [00:17] jasoncwarner_: Will do. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [00:41] Yay for hybrid isos. === asac_ is now known as asac [05:47] Good morning [06:14] Morning pitti. [06:14] RAOF: is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-rootless-x something you actually want for oneriric, or should we postpone this again? (I'd be happy with postponing) [06:14] hey TheMuso, how are you? [06:15] TheMuso: wrt. your discussions with Christian, perhaps scheduling a mumble meeting would be faster? lots more bandwidth, and faster turnaround for explanations [06:27] pitti: I'll see what he comes back with, and if we are not getting any further, I will attempt to rangle with mumble, given that its QT and all. [06:28] TheMuso: or classical phone, if mumble doesn't work for you :) [06:28] Yeah thats an option. [07:21] good morning [07:28] hey didrocks [07:28] guten morgen pitti :) [07:58] TheMuso: hey [07:58] TheMuso: so, we have an accessible Qt in the ubuntu-desktop ppa [07:58] TheMuso: just upgrade from, install qt-at-spi as well, and then, to launch apps with accessibility enabled: QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 [07:59] accerciser and Orca are quite happy with this there :) [08:04] didrocks: Cool! Will try out tomorrow, I am aware of the environment variable. [08:04] TheMuso: from my experience, it's still a little crashy, but not as much as it was :-) [08:04] (only with the variable enabled) [08:04] Cool. [08:04] Yup. [08:04] TheMuso: do not hesitate to confirm/infirm [08:05] ok [08:05] I'll try push to oneiric tomorrow [08:05] No hurry. === Zdra is now known as xclaesse [08:24] hey desktopers [08:24] bonjour seb128 [08:25] pitti, hey, wie gehts? [08:25] seb128: gut, danke! [08:34] salut seb128! [08:35] lut didrocks [08:35] how was your IRC presentation yesterday? [08:36] was nice, a lot of question, got dead hands typing restless for a full hour and half :) [09:06] morning everyone... [09:06] hey jasoncwarner_, how are you? [09:07] hey pitti, pretty good, thanks. you? getting ready for summit? [09:07] pitti: also, assuming you guys found like 50mb of cd space since earlier this week...so, no point in talking about that ;) [09:07] hey jasoncwarner_ [09:07] jasoncwarner_: I'm half-done with preping my "efficient bug handling" talk for the DX team, otherwise not much prep done yet [09:07] didrocks: ! [09:07] jasoncwarner_: no, only 12 :) [09:08] pitti: well, 12 is nothing to sneeze at...now if we could remove german from the cd ;) [09:08] pitti: how is localization bp? you feel good about showing that off next week? [09:08] jasoncwarner_: we can't, as it's not on the CD any more .. [09:08] not on amd64, anyway [09:08] jasoncwarner_: yup, I have enough of it working to demonstrate it [09:09] jasoncwarner_: source package is in NEW (archive admin HINT HINT) [09:09] dang it...I don't know who I can mess with about languages on CD anymore...perhaps rodrigo__ and spanish [09:09] or maybe robert/raof/bryce etc and english (though I think that might be really problematic ;) ) [09:09] pitti: hint taken! looking :) [09:09] didrocks: j/k really -- it's not really that urgent [09:09] hey jasoncwarner_ [09:09] pitti: tomorrow, you will have my qt-at-spi package to review then :-) [09:09] you can run the stuff from bzr [09:10] erk, I knew it comes with strings attached! [09:10] * pitti hugs didrocks [09:10] didrocks: sure, will do [09:10] * didrocks hugs pitti back [09:10] pitti, we dropped .es from the CD? [09:10] no, not yet [09:10] I didn't drop any language since natty yet [09:10] pitti: and as soon as agateau got some upstream ack, sni-qt as well :-) I think you will loose in number of NEW packages ;) [09:10] didrocks: also, in size; ubuntu-defaults-builder is tiny [09:11] I can imagine :-) [09:19] pitti: sounds good apart that perl hurts my eyes ;) [09:19] *shrug* debhelper.. [09:19] but I tried to keep it clean, I even used strict [09:19] pitti: just a small hickupp: everywhere you set the licence to GPLv3, but in the man of dh_ubuntu_defaults, you tell: licensed under the GNU GPL v2 or later. [09:19] which is compatible of course, just weird ;) [09:21] didrocks: oh, c&p error [09:21] didrocks: it doesn't even build the manpage yet, as it's still a stub [09:21] didrocks: fixed in bzr, nice catch! [09:21] pitti: right, but nothing blocking anyway, just fix it in the next upload [09:22] r27 [09:22] the remaining features, manpages, etc. will come in 0.2 [09:23] ok, looks good, do you want to do another upload or it will be for later? [09:24] didrocks: 0.1 is good for testing; I don't plan to upload 0.2 today yet [09:24] pitti: ok, ack then :) [09:24] cheers! [09:25] pitti: I hope that unity-2d will use soon the gsettings key so that you don't have to do this postinst hack (the one which were in the -settings package at some point) [09:25] didrocks: unity 3d and 2d using the very same gsettings key would indeed be appreciated [09:26] I didn't test, but from the code, it seems that local (absolute path) desktop key works as well, which will be interesting for loco team for isntance [09:26] instance* [09:27] btw, tell me when you need loco testing, I'll do it this cycle for the french respin and report what's working and what's not (0.2?) [09:27] or rather, if I was puzzled in trying to use something :) [09:29] didrocks: 0.1 works with ffox bookmarks, startpage, unity (2d) launchers, RB radio stations (banshee needs a patch), extra packages, and background images [09:29] didrocks: so if you want to test these, go ahead [09:29] didrocks: I also provided a script to build an "enable all example" ubuntu-defaults-test package, FYI [09:30] just run /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-defaults-builder/examples/make-example in /tmp/ [09:30] didrocks: but for manual creation, run ubuntu-defaults-template ubuntu-defaults-french [09:31] pitti: I'll try to toy with it tomorrow or Friday to give you feedbacks at the sprint then! Thanks for the links :) [09:31] didrocks: we can also do that together on the sprint; I hope I can get banshee working this or next week [09:32] the code doesn't look too complicated, but I still need to get used to C# a bit [09:32] * didrocks will set njpatel as the wallpaper background with an "awesomeness" shiny text light in the French respin :) [09:32] mvo: morning, you around? [09:32] pitti: oh code, let's plan on that then ;) [09:32] bah, and it promptly FTBFSed [09:32] yeah, was working there, didn't try in a pbuilder [09:33] do you know why import crashes like this: http://pastebin.com/thPAXBgb, when importing gtk *before* gio.repository? [09:33] test/run -v [09:33] make[1]: test/run: Command not found [09:33] er, what? [09:33] interesting :) [09:34] didrocks, :D [09:34] alex3f: does packagekit import any GTK bits by any chance? [09:34] so, er, daily cd is not working great on intel [09:34] it just hangs at the "welcome" screen in the installer [09:35] pitti: posible [09:35] alex3f: you can't mix GIR GTK bindings with static gtk binding [09:35] the introspection data is pretty new, I guess it mixes packagekit with packagekit-gnome [09:35] alex3f: also, you need to use the same GTK as packagekit [09:35] pitti, could you look at the amd64 retracer when you have a minute please? [09:35] pitti, it errors out on " os.unlink('/var/lib/dpkg/info/%s:%s.%s' % (c.name, self.get_system_architecture(), script))" with "self" not being defined [09:35] alex3f: so perhaps try with "from gi import Gtk" instead, to use the GI bindings [09:35] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/apport/packaging_impl.py", line 793, in fetch_unpack [09:35] pitti, not sure if that's an apport multiarch issue or what? [09:35] pitti: thank you [09:36] seb128: oh, dang; will fix [09:36] the problem is that I'm trying to integrate it with software-center [09:36] pitti, thanks [09:36] where there is a lot of gtk [09:36] alex3f: ah, this is currently being ported to GTK3/GI as well [09:36] but right, tricky right now [09:37] I guess a right thing to do in the meantime is try to separate the gnome/gtk bits from packagekitglib [09:37] alex3f: do you need PK? you might also use aptdaemon or python-apt? [09:38] alex3f: (note that we don't install PK by default, as it doesn't work very well in Ubuntu) [09:38] pitti: ahh, i need it, this is my project :) [09:38] very well == not good enough to be the default package installer [09:38] http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~alexef/gsoc/proposal.html [09:38] alex3f: ok; then I guess avoiding any GTK bits of PK will probably be the best solution right now, if possible [09:42] seb128: fixed in 1.21.1-0ubuntu2, just uploaded [09:42] sorry about that [09:42] pitti, \o/ [09:42] pitti, thanks [09:43] so, now back to this weird defaults-builder FTBFS [09:43] pitti, I guess I need to update apport in the chroots right? [09:43] seb128: right; easiest to just wait 80 minutes and run apport-chroot upgrade [09:43] I will be lazy, wait on the publisher and do an apport-chroot upgrade [09:43] pitti, great mind ;-) [09:44] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:44] * pitti ^5s seb128 [09:44] rodrigo__, hey [09:44] didrocks: ah, silly me [09:45] $ head test/run [09:45] #!/usr/bin/python3 [09:45] I want to be on the edge! [09:45] * pitti adds b-dep [09:45] pitti: stop being that on the edge :-) [09:45] the error was quite misleading though [09:47] oh, versions has quite some dx red lines [09:47] nice to see indicators and unity tarballs ;-) [09:48] well, next step will be to have working tarballs ;) [09:48] your version page doesn't catch that? :p [09:48] didrocks, no, but patches are welcome! ;-) [09:49] didrocks, did you figure the libunity-misc build issue? do you need help on it? [09:49] * didrocks starts to think about pushing all version.py new detection in a pbuilder directly build on seb128's machine :-) [09:49] lol [09:49] seb128: it's working in a pbuilder for libunity-misc, so yeah, timestamp issue [09:50] ok [09:50] I just don't push as if we can't push nux/unity, it will create some NBS [09:50] is there anything blocking that upload? (just curious) [09:52] didrocks, NBS are fine [09:52] didrocks, we have a ton of those for i.e libpanel-applet-2 [09:52] old e-d-s [09:52] etc [09:52] ok, let's push it now then [09:52] just not tested as can't build new unity for now [09:52] they need to be sorted during the cycle [09:53] didrocks, well at least we can see if it builds fine, get it published etc so it's ready and out of your queue [09:53] ok, let's go for it then, it's just a dput away :) [09:54] hey seb128 === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [09:56] rodrigo_, how are you? [09:58] rodrigo_, I'm running the http_proxy grep on main btw, so I will let you know what's coming from it when it's done [09:59] seb128, ok, cool [10:03] didrocks, cleaned libunity-misc from the pad gtk2 list ;-) [10:03] \o/ [10:20] I am going to upload, after some more testing, g-s-d 3.1.2, for the NTP stuff, so anything against it? [10:27] rodrigo_: this doesn't depend on anything else from GNOME 3.1.x? [10:28] pitti, gnome-desktop and gsettings-desktop-schemas at least [10:28] have been testing the jhbuilt version, so not sure yet about the versions needed [10:28] will find out in a bit, starting to package it now [10:28] rodrigo_, what about gpm and gcm? [10:29] rodrigo_, is the color stuff optional? [10:29] rodrigo_, does that version conflicts or deprecated gpm or not? [10:29] it uses colord [10:29] optional? [10:30] because that's not packaged yet, so it would need to be packaged and promoted before you do the update [10:30] no, not optional, but we can make it so [10:30] ok you should probably [10:30] rodrigo_, what about gpm? [10:30] about g-p-m. I really thought it was deprecated, but hughes released 3.1.x versions, so will find out [10:30] rodrigo_, do you want me to do the gnome-desktop3 updat? [10:30] yes, I'll do it [10:31] rodrigo_, yes or you will do it? those are different replies ;-) [10:31] i.e do you want me to do it and gsettings-d-s [10:31] seb128, sorry, misread :) [10:31] to spare you some time, i.e split work [10:31] so the answer is: I'll do it, so don't worry :) [10:31] ok [10:31] thanks [10:32] rodrigo_, gpm I think still has the stats ui and some bits [10:32] rodrigo_, but the service code moved to gsd [10:32] yes [10:32] rodrigo_, it means you will need to update gpm together I guess to avoid conflicting services [10:32] or they will both try to manage the same thing [10:32] right [10:32] we will loose the indcator on the way [10:33] oh, why? [10:34] rodrigo_, because they dropped the gtkstatusicon [10:34] ah, ok [10:34] rodrigo_, but that's ok, dx is working on a proper power indicator [10:34] we can do without the icon for some weeks [10:35] ok, I'll prepare any packages I need locally before doing any upload [10:35] and upload all at the same time when all is ok [10:35] rodrigo_, use the gnome3 ppa maybe [10:35] yes [10:35] so you can ask other to test as well [10:43] jasoncwarner_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/630731/ [10:46] mvo, good morning! I'm making a list of things in USC that could be implemented if we had debtags. I have (1) better categories, (2) maturity ratings, (3) system requirements for packages. Can you think of any others? [10:47] pitti, no desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 ? [10:47] seb128: -ECONTEXT :) (in meeting with jasoncwarner_, will brief you later) [10:48] pitti, oh ok, I though that was a list of the team specs for the cycle [10:48] seb128: it's the list of things which we could potentially drop if needed [10:48] ok [10:51] mpt: not from the top of my head, I think that is the immediate list [10:55] good morning everyone [10:55] well, only just ;) [10:57] hey chrisccoulson [10:57] hey pitti, how are you? [11:00] chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! how are you? [11:01] pitti - quite tired, i had a late night last night. but otherwise, good thanks [11:01] hi chrisccoulson [11:02] hi rodrigo_ [11:11] ok, thanks mvo [11:11] hmm, in the last couple of reboots I've done, gnome-shell and classic sessions complain about a window manager already running on the display [11:11] unity seems to work ok, so not sure what's up [11:12] and there was, at least last time (didn't check now) a metacity process for the gdm user [11:13] so seems gdm is again not killing all its processes [11:17] didrocks, seb128: FYI, libunity-misc binNEWed [11:18] pitti, danke [11:18] hey chrisccoulson "morning?"! it's middday, did you work all the night again? ;-) [11:19] speaking about which, I'm off for lunch and some errands [11:19] pitti: thanks :) [11:19] hey seb128 [11:19] yeah, it was a late one last night [11:21] pitti, enjoy!, hum, food, should do that soon as well [11:36] * micahg can empathize with a late night... [11:53] seb128: did you use merge-upstream or just merge for latest unity release? [11:54] didrocks, urg, I might have just merged :-( [11:54] sorry about that, do you want me to fix it? [11:54] seb128: no worry, I think it's fine, I just add to manually add a tag [11:54] ok, sorry again [11:55] seb128: it's not like autotools where you need additional files to build :) [11:55] I didn't do a merge-upstream upload for a while [11:55] lol [11:55] seb128: no worry, just to confirm why the tag wasn't there ;) [11:55] ;) [11:56] seb128: oh, that's why you had to repack manually the tarball! [11:57] confirm, merge-upstream does the right thing for you :) [11:57] confirmed* [11:57] ;-) [11:57] I completely zappy merged upstream after a month of GNOME3 in oneiric [11:57] :-) [11:58] hum, conflicts though [11:58] didrocks, it might be easier to uncommit, redo it using merge upstream and push --overwrite [11:59] hum, not sure it's because of what you did TBH [12:13] pitti, seb128, are we still likely to have GTK2 on the CD for oneiric? [12:13] TheMuso, yes [12:14] TheMuso, the rdepends list is on the etherpad if you want to check it but it's not likely that firefox and some others will be ported this cycle [12:14] Ok thanks, just realized one more a11y dep is needed in the meta after doing a fresh installn and finding some things not speaking. :) [12:14] ok thats fine. [12:15] libgail-common used to be pulled in by other bits, but is no longer, and still needed. [12:15] TheMuso, could you check on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcanberra/+bug/790608 and see if you have an opinion about it? [12:15] Ubuntu bug 790608 in libcanberra "libcanberra needs to depend on sound-theme-freedesktop" [Medium,Confirmed] [12:15] TheMuso, or do you know who else would be better placed for that? [12:16] TheMuso, why is libgail-common still used? [12:16] seb128: I will have a read through that complete bug tomorrow and comment. [12:16] TheMuso, btw do you know if onboard is actively maintained? it still use gtk2, pygtk and gconf [12:16] Re libgail-common, for some reason the libgail.so gtk module is in that package. [12:16] TheMuso, thanks [12:17] seb128: yes someone is working on onboard, I will prod them re moving to GTK3/Gsettings. [12:17] TheMuso, thanks === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === zyga-food is now known as zyga [13:28] * rodrigo_ lunch [13:37] mvo: hi [13:37] I'm trying to run https://code.launchpad.net/~mmcg069/software-center/gtk3again - but it hangs at http://pastebin.com/yjHKjhAM [13:48] ah, ./software-center-gtk3 === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:27] alex3f: I have a look, not sure whats wrong with it at this point, its pretty volatile [14:28] mvo: I'm rebuilding gtk+, I've seen some similar bug report [14:28] caused by an incomplete build of cairo [14:28] aha, ok [14:28] good luck! [14:28] thanks [14:29] I hope that I can merge the gtk3 stuff soonish [14:29] lets see how it goes, but i definietely want to have it in even if its a bit rough currently [14:35] mvo, hey [14:35] mvo: it would be glad to have something merged [14:35] mvo, how would you like the "software-properties should stop depending on synaptic", bug, work item? not tracked? [14:35] since I'm currently unable to run any pk part together with pygtk [14:36] s/glad/great/ [14:36] hey seb128 , question for you on oneiric. when I open the keyboard settings window, I don't have any sliders for 'delay' or 'speed'. I can't change those? [14:36] mvo, seb128: does s-p just call synaptic for the package cache? that could use aptdaemon, right? [14:37] I have an annoying slow key repeat rate right now and it is messing with my typing kung-fu! ;) [14:37] mvo: a quick grep for synaptic seems to show only that [14:38] mvo, seb128: want me to look into this? [14:39] seb128: I take it you want to drop synaptic from the default install? [14:40] pitti: thanks, feel free to grab that WI [14:40] I'd like to unseed it; right now it's being pulled in through software-properties anyway, but it should go away once that dependencies is dropped [14:40] jasoncwarner_, they should be in the keyboard capplet on the first ab? [14:40] tba [14:40] tab [14:40] can't type! [14:40] pitti: sounds good to me [14:40] pitti, if you want please, I would like to get synaptic off the CD [14:41] bzr commit -m "remove synaptic; it's spelled 'software-center' now" [14:41] seb128: nope, not showing up...sliders are there, but no circle to move the values...I'll take screenshot [14:41] (or software-centre, depending on your part of the world ;) [14:41] seb128: oh, is that our last remaining gksu rdepends? [14:42] I'd so love to get rid of gksu, it's quite a GUI inconsistency [14:42] ah, no; network-manager and gdebi, plus a few others [14:43] seb128: http://img861.imageshack.us/i/selection002g.png/ [14:45] pitti, gdebi is not installed by default right? [14:45] pitti, could we use gksu-polkit [14:45] ? [14:45] seb128: I was also wondering if we could get a transparent resize gripper for terminal now that we use overlay scrollbars there...it looks a bit odd/stands out a bit from the rest of the desktop... http://img163.imageshack.us/i/selection003s.png/ [14:45] pitti, or pkexec? [14:45] seb128: pkexec doesn't work for X programs; I haven't tried gksu-polkit [14:46] seb128: check gdebi's Task: header; it's on some images [14:46] jasoncwarner_, oh you are right for the keyboard, seems like a bug [14:46] not on ubuntu, though [14:46] pitti, synaptic seems the only thing using gksu on my install [14:47] seb128: apturl also depends on synaptic, though [14:47] seb128: network-manager-gnome, gnome-codec-install, checkbox-gtk, apturl, update-notifier, gnome-system-log <- here [14:47] jasoncwarner_, dunno for your second question [14:48] pitti, how do you list those? [14:48] sudo dpkg -P gksu [14:48] pitti, thanks, I will fix the buggy gnome-system-log depends, it comes from debian [14:48] we use the admin group for logs in ubuntu [14:48] you mean "adm" [14:48] ? [14:49] yes [14:49] pitti, well we rely on the admin users having access by group permissions [14:49] so we don't use gksu [14:50] but ok, still a few rdepends [14:56] ups, got disconnected [14:56] rodrigo_, there? [14:56] seb128, yes [14:57] rodrigo_, do you know if jasoncwarner_'s keyboard capplet issue is known? [14:57] rodrigo_, the 2 first slitders of the capplet has no round you can drag [14:57] seb128, hmm, what issue? [14:57] rodrigo_, slider [14:57] * rodrigo_ looks [14:57] oh, indeed [14:58] hmm, doesn't happen in 3.1.x from jhbuild [14:58] * rodrigo_ looks at the code === korn_ is now known as c_korn === oubiwann` is now known as oubiwann === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [15:19] kenvandine, not sure if bug #656329 is fixed in your rewrite but I milestoned for oneiric [15:19] Launchpad bug 656329 in gwibber "should use gsettings rather than gconf" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656329 [15:19] seb128, yup :) [15:20] * kenvandine just finished porting the backend to gsettings [15:20] \o/ [15:34] dobey, kenvandine: bug #800717 [15:34] Launchpad bug 800717 in ubuntuone-client "Should stop using gconf in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800717 [15:34] dobey, kenvandine: basically since g-s-d and nautilus are on gsettings, gtk3 it means ubuntuone is having no desktop integration in oneiric [15:34] the gsd code is not loaded neither is the nautilus one [15:35] ok [15:35] weird, but ok [15:36] dobey, why weird? [15:36] hey dobey [15:36] fta, can you disable the gwibber daily builds? [15:36] dobey, nautilus changed their abi number since they can't mix gtk2 and gtk3 in the same process so u1 is using the wrong dir and ignored [15:37] dobey, the nightlies use the same package branch as the one in oneiric, right? [15:37] seb128: don't see why it matters if the extension uses gconf or gsettings in terms of the extension being loaded [15:37] rodrigo_: no [15:37] i am close to merging the client rewrite into trunk, which will break the dailies packaging branch about 2000 ways :) [15:37] dobey, the "enable" key is in gsettings for g-s-d [15:37] and we should switch to using LP for dailies anyway [15:37] seb128: that is a separate bug from the gconf one then [15:37] dobey, ok, so you'll have to copy the patch that is failing to apply as soon as I submit it [15:38] dobey, GTK is bug #800723 [15:39] rodrigo_: i looked at fixing it the other day, but saw you completely decimated that code for some reason; does trunk still build against evolution 2.x? [15:39] dobey, but yeah, both techs are an issue for different reasons [15:39] dobey, yes, it's just the plugin code, which I refactored a bit to share some code for the tasks and contacts plugin [15:39] Launchpad bug 800723 in ubuntuone-client "should use GTK3" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800723 [15:39] dobey, the gconf use is an issue because gsd reads gsettings to see what to enable and gtk2 is an issue since nautilus is on gtk3 [15:41] seb128: the gconf thing is not an issue because g-s-d reading gsettings to see what to enable is completely separate from whether the plug-in itself uses gconf or gsettings for its own configuration; if we have to toggle an "enable" bool or add some schema to gsettings for having the plug-in load, i think that is still a separate bug from whether or not the extension itself is using gconf [15:41] dobey, right, in any case both gconf and gtk2 should be off the CD by next cycle so it would be nice to start porting this cycle ;-) [15:42] dobey, there is part of functional need there and part of cleaning [15:42] ah, i fixed the gtk2/gtk3 issue though in trunk, but haven't made a release yet, because we have lots of other underlying issues to fix as well :) === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [15:52] kenvandine, sure, done [15:52] fta, thx [15:52] mvo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main/revision/668 works for me [15:52] took a bit to get the async handling worked out [15:53] pitti, \o/ [15:53] seb128: now the blame is entirely on apturl [15:53] pitti, indeed [15:54] which needs porting to GI and to aptdaemon [15:54] mvo: do you want to review, or should I just upload? [15:57] pitti, do you still need the gksu depends? [15:58] right now yes [15:58] or to run software-properties-gtk with gksu? [15:58] yes, for that [15:58] it edits /etc/apt/sources.list, etc. [15:58] ideally all that should be offered in aptdaemon as well, and s-p should use it [15:58] right [16:02] pitti: I'm in a meeting currently, if you feel good about it, just upload, otherwise I review in ~30 min or so [16:02] mvo: ok, I'll upload and take the bullets [16:03] pitti: but looks good on a first glance [16:03] thanks a bunch pitti! [16:03] * pitti hugs mvo [16:04] * mvo hugs pitti back [16:06] hello seb128, didrocks & fredp [16:06] lut kinouchou [16:07] salut kinouchou === cking_ is now known as cking === zyga is now known as zyga-food [16:56] can anyone binNEW nux on amd64 and i386 (soname change)? I'm about to push unity :) [16:58] ronoc, heyo. I just realized indicator-sound wasn't ported to gtk3 yet. I'll propose a merge if you're not already in the middle of that [16:59] seb128: ^ ? [17:00] good night everyone! [17:01] FYI, national holiday tomorrow; I'll probably get online a bit, but not much [17:01] good night pitti [17:01] so, see you on Friday! [17:01] enjoy! [17:01] * kenvandine wishes his new motherboard would arrive... i need my build box back! [17:01] have fun pitti! [17:01] see you pitti! [17:03] have fun pitti [17:05] pitti, 'night, have fun [17:05] didrocks, can do [17:06] seb128: thanks :) [17:06] powerpc came to life as well [17:06] heh, leDidRocks ;) [17:08] chrisccoulson: heh! ;) [17:13] didrocks, NEWed [17:13] seb128: thanks :) will you be available for the unity ones? (more complex though) [17:13] didrocks, you can NEW the armel build yourself later if you want [17:13] seb128: thanks : ) [17:14] didrocks, not sure since it will take until 20:00 for nux to be published now then unity needs to build [17:14] didrocks, but ping jdstrand for example if I'm not around [17:14] or StevenK [17:15] 20:00, not 19:00? [17:15] didrocks, I will try to have a look when I'm back but I need to run in half an hour for sport and I might have dinner outside then [17:15] didrocks, the next publisher run is at 19:03 or something and publishing takes almost an hour [17:15] seb128: ok, anyway, not that important, can wait [17:16] I'll try to take a normal evening tonight, 7:30PM to get out :) [17:16] didrocks, but feel free to NEW it yourself otherwise, I will double check it for you tomorrow ;-) [17:18] ok, need to get out for some errands, bbl [17:19] rodrigo_, see you [17:19] rodrigo_, btw the grep for the http proxy returned several application [17:19] including ubiquity and update-manager, I'm opening bugs for those [17:20] rodrigo_, rhythmbox and banshee as well [17:20] software-center [17:20] evolution-data-server [17:21] seb128: hm? whats wrong with http_proxy? [17:21] mvo, gnome-control-center uses gsettings [17:21] mvo, so it doesn't write to gconf [17:21] aha [17:22] mvo, we were discuting on whether we still need the bridge rodrigo_ wrote which still write those values to gconf for compat [17:22] mvo, but those code will need to be ported to use gsettings rather than rely on compat bridges [17:23] seb128, ok, let me know the bug # once you file it [17:23] ok, now really out, later all [17:23] rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gsettings [17:23] rodrigo_, you can watch that list, they are in it [17:24] mvo, bug #656332 btw, I milestone it to oneiric [17:24] Launchpad bug 656332 in update-manager "should use gsettings rather than gconf" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656332 [17:24] or didrocks assigned it to himself, maybe he will do it for you ;-) [17:25] update-manager? yeah, I'll have some fun with it :) [17:25] do what you want, I have dinner now ;) [17:25] * mvo & [17:25] mvo, enjoy! [17:25] fg [17:26] seb128: argh, you broke it! :-) [17:26] didrocks, broke what? [17:26] (mvo process in background and I tried to "fg" to bring him back in the foreground ;)) [17:26] lol [17:29] ok, need to go, see you later! [18:12] mterry, not at all in the middle of it, merges welcome :) [18:13] ronoc, cool, almost done, but hitting some odd issues with finding the currently selected menuitem in gtk3 :) [18:14] mterry, ah the keypress callback in indicator-sound.c ? [18:15] ronoc, yeah [18:15] mterry, other than that was it painful ? [18:15] (actually, not even dealing with gtk3 right now, just non-deprecated gtk2) [18:16] ronoc, no, just some ifdefs and switching from deprecated to non functions [18:16] good stuff === alex3f is now known as alex3f|afk === alecu is now known as alecu-lunch [18:43] didrocks, i tried to log in with unity instead of -2d today on my armel netbook ... the auto detection is just awesome, but metacity seems to have all composite effects enabled [18:43] in the unity-2d session if you select it from the DM, composite is on but effects are off [18:43] would be good if they could behave the same [18:44] ogra_: right, we discussed that there with you 2 weeks before, seems it's urigo who enabled that, and I told you to speak with him IIRC :) [18:44] Kaleo: ^ [18:44] didrocks, no, thats something different [18:44] oh? [18:44] oh [18:44] on the session [18:44] yeah, for fallbacak [18:44] this is a known issue [18:44] from the beginning [18:44] the gconf keys aren't applied [18:44] there is a discrepancy between the unity-2d session i get when the auto fallback og unity kicks in [18:44] (on fallbacking) [18:45] vs the session i get if i select unity-2d directly [18:45] the evil master plan is to make this detection in lightdm itself [18:45] before choosing the session [18:45] well, whatever works [18:45] which I will try do to next week :) [18:45] having composite on isnt that big of a showstopper ... as long as the effects stay off [18:46] I think Kaleo is aware of that :) [18:46] i think it actually speeds up all the QML stuff [18:46] while metacity itself gets a bit slower [18:47] i.e. in alt+tab i usually dont get to see the app switcher (takes abotu 1sec to render) , the switching is fast though [18:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/791205 is a prerequisite to fix that [18:47] Ubuntu bug 791205 in unity-2d "Metacity needs command line options to activate capture before unmap and compositing without effects" [High,Confirmed] [18:47] so you need: [18:47] compositing on [18:47] effects off [18:47] yep [18:47] which is the default in the -2d session already [18:47] but if the issue is known anyway i will keep quiet :) [18:48] ogra_: we'll think to it, do not hesitate to ping/hurt me during the sprint :) [18:49] yeah, no worries :) [18:49] i'll hurt you by forcing you to drink a beer :) [18:51] \o/ [18:51] I like this kind of the pain [18:52] :) === alecu-lunch is now known as alecu === zyga-food is now known as zyga [20:20] ronoc, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-sound/gtk3/+merge/65552 === smspillaz is now known as smspillaz|z [22:06] mterry, thanks - will do now [22:06] ronoc, yw; I don't know why I missed it when doing the others :) [22:07] * ronoc takes a look === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:32] tremolux, heyo. Did donations in software-center get discussed last UDS? Curious what the plan of record for those are [22:35] mterry: hey! we did not have a session for donations and in fact we don't have an active blueprint for it for oneiric unfortunately [22:35] mterry: here is the spec for it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareDonations [22:37] mterry: we have a lot of other work for s-c this cycle including a full UI refresh (with spec is coming next week), and so donations will have to be postponed for this cycle [22:38] tremolux, yeah. Just curious what the state of art is. I'm excited about the UI refresh. The mockups on omg ubuntu were pretty fancy [22:38] mterry: haha, indeed :) [22:39] seems highly unlikely we'll be able to do all of that in 4 weeks or so before feature freeze, but we are going to try to hit as much as we can based on priorities [22:40] hey guys [22:40] jasoncwarner_, hello! [22:40] Hey jasoncwarner_. [22:40] hey mterry TheMuso and tremolux. how is everyone? [22:40] Well thanks. [22:40] heya jasoncwarner_! [22:40] good [22:40] very well, thanks [22:41] * bryceh waves [22:41] jasoncwarner_: I just sent you an email in response to your email ;) [22:43] tremolux: cool...I keep refreshing OMG ubuntu to see if the designs are finished yet ;) (sarcasm) [22:43] jasoncwarner_: LOL [22:44] tremolux: :) [22:49] tremolux: just read the email. next week at the rally lets talk about some rough idea of scope of the list just so we can start communicating that out; set expectations again...thanks [22:49] jasoncwarner_, btw have you seen that gfx corruption / window clicking bug again, that you mentioned yesterday? [22:51] bryceh: I did, but I was in unity again...switched to it after using classic all day [22:51] thinking it is a unity issue [22:51] jasoncwarner_, ok, makes sense