[00:00] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso bryceh RAOF robert_ancell (who is on holiday) Meeting time https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-06-21
[00:00] <TheMuso> Morning.
[00:01] <jasoncwarner_> morning TheMuso , how is the ashcloud over SYD this morning?
[00:02] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Still there according to the news, but they reckon flights will be happening again by this afternoon.
[00:02] <TheMuso> I am not going to be really concerned till Friday, and only if ash is still an issue in the media.
[00:03] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: sounds like a plan...
[00:03] <jasoncwarner_> ok, let's get started and when bryceh and RAOF join we can get to X
[00:03] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: could you catch me up on what is happening with ubiquity bp?
[00:03] <jasoncwarner_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-accessibility-ubiquity
[00:04] <jasoncwarner_> looks like you have quite a few WIs on there for A2
[00:04] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Still talking to design about UI matters with regards to how we present the availability of accessibility profiles.
[00:04] <TheMuso> Once thats settled, coding will begin in urnist, and shouldn't take that long.
[00:04] <TheMuso> Hense the INPROGRESS with some of the WIs on that blueprint.
[00:05] <jasoncwarner_> we need to give deadline to design on that...we can't be going into A3 still "designing". Who is the person you are working with in design?
[00:06] <TheMuso> Christian Giordano, however we are still firing emails back and forth, as a few clarrifications need to be made from my end, I am not always the best explainer. :)
[00:06] <TheMuso> So I will continue that today with an email, and I hope to get it sorted by EOW.
[00:08] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso, ok...could you please make it a hard goal to get it sorted by EOW? We need the 2 weeks before A2 to get it all done!
[00:08] <jasoncwarner_> thanks
[00:08] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Re RAOF, I think he may have recently been traveling, at least according to a tweat I received from him last night.
[00:09] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF tweets?
[00:09] <jasoncwarner_> :)
[00:09] <bryceh> ah sorry I'm here
[00:09] <jasoncwarner_> ah, bryceh !
[00:09] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Will do, I need to look over those WIs and see if something needs to be pushed back to Alpha 3.
[00:09] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Yes he does.
[00:09] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: [TOPIC] X.update...
[00:10] <bryceh> xdiagnose got in this week :-)
[00:10] <bryceh> so that means xfailsafe and the apport hooks are moved to their new home
[00:10] <bryceh> also, been doing lots of hardware testing and upgrading
[00:11] <LLStarks> bryceh, is xfailsafe behavior the same?
[00:11] <bryceh> been pushing in patches incl. sru's for natty as well.  There's a couple items I want to chat with RAOF about this meeting when he shows up
[00:11] <bryceh> LLStarks, for now it is
[00:11] <LLStarks> okay
[00:11] <bryceh> LLStarks, going forward plan is to enhance it to be more suitable for the types of problems people have these days, e.g. black screen on boot bugs and so on
[00:12] <bryceh> mesa 7.10.3 got in, and there's new xorg and -nvidia
[00:12] <bryceh> aside from that, still fielding a lot of questions with X issues on natty
[00:13] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: new nvidia? awesome...I'll update..I wasn't able to use unity last couple days b/c of x/mesa nvidia issues
[00:14] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: anything else?
[00:14] <bryceh> I think with linux 3.0 hitting, that may affect nvidia a bit, but not sure
[00:14] <jasoncwarner_> everyone, how are your A2 WIs coming? anything blocked that I need to track down?
[00:14] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, nothing else for X.  Been doing some LP stuff but nothing worth discussion here.
[00:15] <bryceh> doesn't appear that I have any A2 items
[00:16] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: ok...
[00:16] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: As above.
[00:16] <jasoncwarner_> alright everyone, TheMuso try to get design of ubiquity sorted and we'll go from there.
[00:16] <jasoncwarner_> see you all in dublin!
[00:17] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Will do.
[00:41] <TheMuso> Yay for hybrid isos.
[05:47] <pitti> Good morning
[06:14] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[06:14] <pitti> RAOF: is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-rootless-x something you actually want for oneriric, or should we postpone this again? (I'd be happy with postponing)
[06:14] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[06:15] <pitti> TheMuso: wrt. your discussions with Christian, perhaps scheduling a mumble meeting would be faster? lots more bandwidth, and faster turnaround for explanations
[06:27] <TheMuso> pitti: I'll see what he comes back with, and if we are not getting any further, I will attempt to rangle with mumble, given that its QT and all.
[06:28] <pitti> TheMuso: or classical phone, if mumble doesn't work for you :)
[06:28] <TheMuso> Yeah thats an option.
[07:21] <didrocks> good morning
[07:28] <pitti> hey didrocks
[07:28] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti :)
[07:58] <didrocks> TheMuso: hey
[07:58] <didrocks> TheMuso: so, we have an accessible Qt in the ubuntu-desktop ppa
[07:58] <didrocks> TheMuso: just upgrade from, install qt-at-spi as well, and then, to launch apps with accessibility enabled: QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 <app>
[07:59] <didrocks> accerciser and Orca are quite happy with this there :)
[08:04] <TheMuso> didrocks: Cool! Will try out tomorrow, I am aware of the environment variable.
[08:04] <didrocks> TheMuso: from my experience, it's still a little crashy, but not as much as it was :-)
[08:04] <didrocks> (only with the variable enabled)
[08:04] <TheMuso> Cool.
[08:04] <TheMuso> Yup.
[08:04] <didrocks> TheMuso: do not hesitate to confirm/infirm
[08:05] <TheMuso> ok
[08:05] <didrocks> I'll try push to oneiric tomorrow
[08:05] <TheMuso> No hurry.
[08:24] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:24] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke!
[08:34] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[08:35] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:35] <seb128> how was your IRC presentation yesterday?
[08:36] <didrocks> was nice, a lot of question, got dead hands typing restless for a full hour and half :)
[09:06] <jasoncwarner_> morning everyone...
[09:06] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner_, how are you?
[09:07] <jasoncwarner_> hey pitti, pretty good, thanks. you? getting ready for summit?
[09:07] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: also, assuming you guys found like 50mb of cd space since earlier this week...so, no point in talking about that ;)
[09:07] <didrocks> hey jasoncwarner_
[09:07] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: I'm half-done with preping my "efficient bug handling" talk for the DX team, otherwise not much prep done yet
[09:07] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: !
[09:07] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: no, only 12 :)
[09:08] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: well, 12 is nothing to sneeze at...now if we could remove german from the cd ;)
[09:08] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: how is localization bp? you feel good about showing that off next week?
[09:08] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: we can't, as it's not on the CD any more ..
[09:08] <pitti> not on amd64, anyway
[09:08] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: yup, I have enough of it working to demonstrate it
[09:09] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: source package is in NEW (archive admin HINT HINT)
[09:09] <jasoncwarner_> dang it...I don't know who I can mess with about languages on CD anymore...perhaps rodrigo__ and spanish
[09:09] <jasoncwarner_> or maybe robert/raof/bryce etc and english (though I think that might be really problematic ;)  )
[09:09] <didrocks> pitti: hint taken! looking :)
[09:09] <pitti> didrocks: j/k really -- it's not really that urgent
[09:09] <seb128> hey jasoncwarner_
[09:09] <didrocks> pitti: tomorrow, you will have my qt-at-spi package to review then :-)
[09:09] <pitti> you can run the stuff from bzr
[09:10] <pitti> erk, I knew it comes with strings attached!
[09:10]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[09:10] <pitti> didrocks: sure, will do
[09:10]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[09:10] <seb128> pitti, we dropped .es from the CD?
[09:10] <pitti> no, not yet
[09:10] <pitti> I didn't drop any language since natty yet
[09:10] <didrocks> pitti: and as soon as agateau got some upstream ack, sni-qt as well :-) I think you will loose in number of NEW packages ;)
[09:10] <pitti> didrocks: also, in size; ubuntu-defaults-builder is tiny
[09:11] <didrocks> I can imagine :-)
[09:19] <didrocks> pitti: sounds good apart that perl hurts my eyes ;)
[09:19] <pitti> *shrug* debhelper..
[09:19] <pitti> but I tried to keep it clean, I even used strict
[09:19] <didrocks> pitti: just a small hickupp: everywhere you set the licence to GPLv3, but in the man of dh_ubuntu_defaults, you tell: licensed under the GNU GPL v2 or later.
[09:19] <didrocks> which is compatible of course, just weird ;)
[09:21] <pitti> didrocks: oh, c&p error
[09:21] <pitti> didrocks: it doesn't even build the manpage yet, as it's still a stub
[09:21] <pitti> didrocks: fixed in bzr, nice catch!
[09:21] <didrocks> pitti: right, but nothing blocking anyway, just fix it in the next upload
[09:22] <pitti> r27
[09:22] <pitti> the remaining features, manpages, etc. will come in 0.2
[09:23] <didrocks> ok, looks good, do you want to do another upload or it will be for later?
[09:24] <pitti> didrocks: 0.1 is good for testing; I don't plan to upload 0.2 today yet
[09:24] <didrocks> pitti: ok, ack then :)
[09:24] <pitti> cheers!
[09:25] <didrocks> pitti: I hope that unity-2d will use soon the gsettings key so that you don't have to do this postinst hack (the one which were in the -settings package at some point)
[09:25] <pitti> didrocks: unity 3d and 2d using the very same gsettings key would indeed be appreciated
[09:26] <didrocks> I didn't test, but from the code, it seems that local (absolute path) desktop key works as well, which will be interesting for loco team for isntance
[09:26] <didrocks> instance*
[09:27] <didrocks> btw, tell me when you need loco testing, I'll do it this cycle for the french respin and report what's working and what's not (0.2?)
[09:27] <didrocks> or rather, if I was puzzled in trying to use something :)
[09:29] <pitti> didrocks: 0.1 works with ffox bookmarks, startpage, unity (2d) launchers, RB radio stations (banshee needs a patch), extra packages, and background images
[09:29] <pitti> didrocks: so if you want to test these, go ahead
[09:29] <pitti> didrocks: I also provided a script to build an "enable all example" ubuntu-defaults-test package, FYI
[09:30] <pitti> just run /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-defaults-builder/examples/make-example in /tmp/
[09:30] <pitti> didrocks: but for manual creation, run ubuntu-defaults-template ubuntu-defaults-french
[09:31] <didrocks> pitti: I'll try to toy with it tomorrow or Friday to give you feedbacks at the sprint then! Thanks for the links :)
[09:31] <pitti> didrocks: we can also do that together on the sprint; I hope I can get banshee working this or next week
[09:32] <pitti> the code doesn't look too complicated, but I still need to get used to C# a bit
[09:32]  * didrocks will set njpatel as the wallpaper background with an "awesomeness" shiny text light in the French respin :)
[09:32] <alex3f> mvo: morning, you around?
[09:32] <didrocks> pitti: oh code, let's plan on that then ;)
[09:32] <pitti> bah, and it promptly FTBFSed
[09:32] <didrocks> yeah, was working there, didn't try in a pbuilder
[09:33] <alex3f> do you know why import crashes like this: http://pastebin.com/thPAXBgb, when importing gtk *before* gio.repository?
[09:33] <pitti> test/run -v
[09:33] <pitti> make[1]: test/run: Command not found
[09:33] <pitti> er, what?
[09:33] <didrocks> interesting :)
[09:34] <njpatel> didrocks, :D
[09:34] <pitti> alex3f: does packagekit import any GTK bits by any chance?
[09:34] <njpatel> so, er, daily cd is not working great on intel
[09:34] <njpatel> it just hangs at the "welcome" screen in the installer
[09:35] <alex3f> pitti: posible
[09:35] <pitti> alex3f: you can't mix GIR GTK bindings with static gtk binding
[09:35] <alex3f> the introspection data is pretty new, I guess it mixes packagekit with packagekit-gnome
[09:35] <pitti> alex3f: also, you need to use the same GTK as packagekit
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, could you look at the amd64 retracer when you have a minute please?
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, it errors out on "    os.unlink('/var/lib/dpkg/info/%s:%s.%s' % (c.name, self.get_system_architecture(), script))" with "self" not being defined
[09:35] <pitti> alex3f: so perhaps try with "from gi import Gtk" instead, to use the GI bindings
[09:35] <seb128>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/apport/packaging_impl.py", line 793, in fetch_unpack
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, not sure if that's an apport multiarch issue or what?
[09:35] <alex3f> pitti: thank you
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: oh, dang; will fix
[09:36] <alex3f> the problem is that I'm trying to integrate it with software-center
[09:36] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:36] <alex3f> where there is a lot of gtk
[09:36] <pitti> alex3f: ah, this is currently being ported to GTK3/GI as well
[09:36] <pitti> but right, tricky right now
[09:37] <alex3f> I guess a right thing to do in the meantime is try to separate the gnome/gtk bits from packagekitglib
[09:37] <pitti> alex3f: do you need PK? you might also use aptdaemon or python-apt?
[09:38] <pitti> alex3f: (note that we don't install PK by default, as it doesn't work very well in Ubuntu)
[09:38] <alex3f> pitti: ahh, i need it, this is my project :)
[09:38] <pitti> very well == not good enough to be the default package installer
[09:38] <alex3f> http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~alexef/gsoc/proposal.html
[09:38] <pitti> alex3f: ok; then I guess avoiding any GTK bits of PK will probably be the best solution right now, if possible
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: fixed in 1.21.1-0ubuntu2, just uploaded
[09:42] <pitti> sorry about that
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:43] <pitti> so, now back to this weird defaults-builder FTBFS
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, I guess I need to update apport in the chroots right?
[09:43] <pitti> seb128: right; easiest to just wait 80 minutes and run apport-chroot upgrade
[09:43] <seb128> I will be lazy, wait on the publisher and do an apport-chroot upgrade
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, great mind ;-)
[09:44]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:44]  * pitti ^5s seb128
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo__, hey
[09:44] <pitti> didrocks: ah, silly me
[09:45] <pitti> $ head test/run
[09:45] <pitti> #!/usr/bin/python3
[09:45] <pitti> I want to be on the edge!
[09:45]  * pitti adds b-dep
[09:45] <didrocks> pitti: stop being that on the edge :-)
[09:45] <didrocks> the error was quite misleading though
[09:47] <seb128> oh, versions has quite some dx red lines
[09:47] <seb128> nice to see indicators and unity tarballs ;-)
[09:48] <didrocks> well, next step will be to have working tarballs ;)
[09:48] <didrocks> your version page doesn't catch that? :p
[09:48] <seb128> didrocks, no, but patches are welcome! ;-)
[09:49] <seb128> didrocks, did you figure the libunity-misc build issue? do you need help on it?
[09:49]  * didrocks starts to think about pushing all version.py new detection in a pbuilder directly build on seb128's machine :-)
[09:49] <seb128> lol
[09:49] <didrocks> seb128: it's working in a pbuilder for libunity-misc, so yeah, timestamp issue
[09:50] <seb128> ok
[09:50] <didrocks> I just don't push as if we can't push nux/unity, it will create some NBS
[09:50] <seb128> is there anything blocking that upload? (just curious)
[09:52] <seb128> didrocks, NBS are fine
[09:52] <seb128> didrocks, we have a ton of those for i.e libpanel-applet-2
[09:52] <seb128> old e-d-s
[09:52] <seb128> etc
[09:52] <didrocks> ok, let's push it now then
[09:52] <didrocks> just not tested as can't build new unity for now
[09:52] <seb128> they need to be sorted during the cycle
[09:53] <seb128> didrocks, well at least we can see if it builds fine, get it published etc so it's ready and out of your queue
[09:53] <didrocks> ok, let's go for it then, it's just a dput away :)
[09:54] <rodrigo__> hey seb128
[09:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, how are you?
[09:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, I'm running the http_proxy grep on main btw, so I will let you know what's coming from it when it's done
[09:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, cool
[10:03] <seb128> didrocks, cleaned libunity-misc from the pad gtk2 list ;-)
[10:03] <didrocks> \o/
[10:20] <rodrigo_> I am going to upload, after some more testing, g-s-d 3.1.2, for the NTP stuff, so anything against it?
[10:27] <pitti> rodrigo_: this doesn't depend on anything else from GNOME 3.1.x?
[10:28] <rodrigo_> pitti, gnome-desktop and gsettings-desktop-schemas at least
[10:28] <rodrigo_> have been testing the jhbuilt version, so not sure yet about the versions needed
[10:28] <rodrigo_> will find out in a bit, starting to package it now
[10:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, what about gpm and gcm?
[10:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, is the color stuff optional?
[10:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, does that version conflicts or deprecated gpm or not?
[10:29] <rodrigo_> it uses colord
[10:29] <seb128> optional?
[10:30] <seb128> because that's not packaged yet, so it would need to be packaged and promoted before you do the update
[10:30] <rodrigo_> no, not optional, but we can make it so
[10:30] <seb128> ok you should probably
[10:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, what about gpm?
[10:30] <rodrigo_> about g-p-m. I really thought it was deprecated, but hughes released 3.1.x versions, so will find out
[10:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you want me to do the gnome-desktop3 updat?
[10:30] <rodrigo_> yes, I'll do it
[10:31] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes or you will do it? those are different replies ;-)
[10:31] <seb128> i.e do you want me to do it and gsettings-d-s
[10:31] <rodrigo_> seb128, sorry, misread :)
[10:31] <seb128> to spare you some time, i.e split work
[10:31] <rodrigo_> so the answer is: I'll do it, so don't worry :)
[10:31] <seb128> ok
[10:31] <seb128> thanks
[10:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, gpm I think still has the stats ui and some bits
[10:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, but the service code moved to gsd
[10:32] <rodrigo_> yes
[10:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, it means you will need to update gpm together I guess to avoid conflicting services
[10:32] <seb128> or they will both try to manage the same thing
[10:32] <rodrigo_> right
[10:32] <seb128> we will loose the indcator on the way
[10:33] <rodrigo_> oh, why?
[10:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, because they dropped the gtkstatusicon
[10:34] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[10:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, but that's ok, dx is working on a proper power indicator
[10:34] <seb128> we can do without the icon for some weeks
[10:35] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll prepare any packages I need locally before doing any upload
[10:35] <rodrigo_> and upload all at the same time when all is ok
[10:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, use the gnome3 ppa maybe
[10:35] <rodrigo_> yes
[10:35] <seb128> so you can ask other to test as well
[10:43] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/630731/
[10:46] <mpt> mvo, good morning! I'm making a list of things in USC that could be implemented if we had debtags. I have (1) better categories, (2) maturity ratings, (3) system requirements for packages. Can you think of any others?
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, no desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 ?
[10:47] <pitti> seb128: -ECONTEXT :) (in meeting with jasoncwarner_, will brief you later)
[10:48] <seb128> pitti, oh ok, I though that was a list of the team specs for the cycle
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: it's the list of things which we could potentially drop if needed
[10:48] <seb128> ok
[10:51] <mvo> mpt: not from the top of my head, I think that is the immediate list
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> well, only just ;)
[10:57] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[10:57] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you?
[11:00] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! how are you?
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> pitti - quite tired, i had a late night last night. but otherwise, good thanks
[11:01] <rodrigo_> hi chrisccoulson
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo_
[11:11] <mpt> ok, thanks mvo
[11:11] <rodrigo_> hmm, in the last couple of reboots I've done, gnome-shell and classic sessions complain about a window manager already running on the display
[11:11] <rodrigo_> unity seems to work ok, so not sure what's up
[11:12] <rodrigo_> and there was, at least last time (didn't check now) a metacity process for the gdm user
[11:13] <rodrigo_> so seems gdm is again not killing all its processes
[11:17] <pitti> didrocks, seb128: FYI, libunity-misc binNEWed
[11:18] <seb128> pitti, danke
[11:18] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson "morning?"! it's middday, did you work all the night again? ;-)
[11:19] <pitti> speaking about which, I'm off for lunch and some errands
[11:19] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :)
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[11:19] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it was a late one last night
[11:21] <seb128> pitti, enjoy!, hum, food, should do that soon as well
[11:36]  * micahg can empathize with a late night...
[11:53] <didrocks> seb128: did you use merge-upstream or just merge for latest unity release?
[11:54] <seb128> didrocks, urg, I might have just merged :-(
[11:54] <seb128> sorry about that, do you want me to fix it?
[11:54] <didrocks> seb128: no worry, I think it's fine, I just add to manually add a tag
[11:54] <seb128> ok, sorry again
[11:55] <didrocks> seb128: it's not like autotools where you need additional files to build :)
[11:55] <seb128> I didn't do a merge-upstream upload for a while
[11:55] <seb128> lol
[11:55] <didrocks> seb128: no worry, just to confirm why the tag wasn't there ;)
[11:55] <didrocks> <disclaimer: no this is not to intend that I prefer cmake to autotools> ;)
[11:56] <didrocks> seb128: oh, that's why you had to repack manually the tarball!
[11:57] <didrocks> confirm, merge-upstream does the right thing for you :)
[11:57] <didrocks> confirmed*
[11:57] <seb128> ;-)
[11:57] <seb128> I completely zappy merged upstream after a month of GNOME3 in oneiric
[11:57] <didrocks> :-)
[11:58] <didrocks> hum, conflicts though
[11:58] <seb128> didrocks, it might be easier to uncommit, redo it using merge upstream and push --overwrite
[11:59] <didrocks> hum, not sure it's because of what you did TBH
[12:13] <TheMuso> pitti, seb128, are we still likely to have GTK2 on the CD for oneiric?
[12:13] <seb128> TheMuso, yes
[12:14] <seb128> TheMuso, the rdepends list is on the etherpad if you want to check it but it's not likely that firefox and some others will be ported this cycle
[12:14] <TheMuso> Ok thanks, just realized one more a11y dep is needed in the meta after doing a fresh installn and finding some things not speaking. :)
[12:14] <TheMuso> ok thats fine.
[12:15] <TheMuso> libgail-common used to be pulled in by other bits, but is no longer, and still needed.
[12:15] <seb128> TheMuso, could you check on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libcanberra/+bug/790608 and see if you have an opinion about it?
[12:15] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 790608 in libcanberra "libcanberra needs to depend on sound-theme-freedesktop" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:15] <seb128> TheMuso, or do you know who else would be better placed for that?
[12:16] <seb128> TheMuso, why is libgail-common still used?
[12:16] <TheMuso> seb128: I will have a read through that complete bug tomorrow and comment.
[12:16] <seb128> TheMuso, btw do you know if onboard is actively maintained? it still use gtk2, pygtk and gconf
[12:16] <TheMuso> Re libgail-common, for some reason the libgail.so gtk module is in that package.
[12:16] <seb128> TheMuso, thanks
[12:17] <TheMuso> seb128: yes someone is working on onboard, I will prod them re moving to GTK3/Gsettings.
[12:17] <seb128> TheMuso, thanks
[13:28]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[13:37] <alex3f> mvo: hi
[13:37] <alex3f> I'm trying to run https://code.launchpad.net/~mmcg069/software-center/gtk3again - but it hangs at http://pastebin.com/yjHKjhAM
[13:48] <alex3f> ah, ./software-center-gtk3
[14:27] <mvo> alex3f: I have a look, not sure whats wrong with it at this point, its pretty volatile
[14:28] <alex3f> mvo: I'm rebuilding gtk+, I've seen some similar bug report
[14:28] <alex3f> caused by an incomplete build of cairo
[14:28] <mvo> aha, ok
[14:28] <mvo> good luck!
[14:28] <alex3f> thanks
[14:29] <mvo> I hope that I can merge the gtk3 stuff soonish
[14:29] <mvo> lets see how it goes, but i definietely want to have it in even if its a bit rough currently
[14:35] <seb128> mvo, hey
[14:35] <alex3f> mvo: it would be glad to have something merged
[14:35] <seb128> mvo, how would you like the "software-properties should stop depending on synaptic", bug, work item? not tracked?
[14:35] <alex3f> since I'm currently unable to run any pk part together with pygtk
[14:36] <alex3f> s/glad/great/
[14:36] <jasoncwarner_> hey seb128 , question for you on oneiric. when I open the keyboard settings window, I don't have any sliders for 'delay' or 'speed'. I can't change those?
[14:36] <pitti> mvo, seb128: does s-p just call synaptic for the package cache? that could use aptdaemon, right?
[14:37] <jasoncwarner_> I have an annoying slow key repeat rate right now and it is messing with my typing kung-fu! ;)
[14:37] <pitti> mvo: a quick grep for synaptic seems to show only that
[14:38] <pitti> mvo, seb128: want me to look into this?
[14:39] <pitti> seb128: I take it you want to drop synaptic from the default install?
[14:40] <mvo> pitti: thanks, feel free to grab that WI
[14:40] <pitti> I'd like to unseed it; right now it's being pulled in through software-properties anyway, but it should go away once that dependencies is dropped
[14:40] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, they should be in the keyboard capplet on the first ab?
[14:40] <seb128> tba
[14:40] <seb128> tab
[14:40] <seb128> can't type!
[14:40] <mvo> pitti: sounds good to me
[14:40] <seb128> pitti, if you want please, I would like to get synaptic off the CD
[14:41] <pitti> bzr commit -m "remove synaptic; it's spelled 'software-center' now"
[14:41] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: nope, not showing up...sliders are there, but no circle to move the values...I'll take screenshot
[14:41] <mvo> (or software-centre, depending on your part of the world ;)
[14:41] <pitti> seb128: oh, is that our last remaining gksu rdepends?
[14:42] <pitti> I'd so love to get rid of gksu, it's quite a GUI inconsistency
[14:42] <pitti> ah, no; network-manager and gdebi, plus a few others
[14:43] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: http://img861.imageshack.us/i/selection002g.png/
[14:45] <seb128> pitti, gdebi is not installed by default right?
[14:45] <seb128> pitti, could we use gksu-polkit
[14:45] <seb128> ?
[14:45] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: I was also wondering if we could get a transparent resize gripper for terminal now that we use overlay scrollbars there...it looks a bit odd/stands out a bit from the rest of the desktop... http://img163.imageshack.us/i/selection003s.png/
[14:45] <seb128> pitti, or pkexec?
[14:45] <pitti> seb128: pkexec doesn't work for X programs; I haven't tried gksu-polkit
[14:46] <pitti> seb128: check gdebi's Task: header; it's on some images
[14:46] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, oh you are right for the keyboard, seems like a bug
[14:46] <pitti> not on ubuntu, though
[14:46] <seb128> pitti, synaptic seems the only thing using gksu on my install
[14:47] <pitti> seb128: apturl also depends on synaptic, though
[14:47] <pitti> seb128: network-manager-gnome, gnome-codec-install, checkbox-gtk, apturl, update-notifier, gnome-system-log <- here
[14:47] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, dunno for your second question
[14:48] <seb128> pitti, how do you list those?
[14:48] <pitti> sudo dpkg -P gksu
[14:48] <seb128> pitti, thanks, I will fix the buggy gnome-system-log depends, it comes from debian
[14:48] <seb128> we use the admin group for logs in ubuntu
[14:48] <pitti> you mean "adm"
[14:48] <pitti> ?
[14:49] <seb128> yes
[14:49] <seb128> pitti, well we rely on the admin users having access by group permissions
[14:49] <seb128> so we don't use gksu
[14:50] <seb128> but ok, still a few rdepends
[14:56] <seb128> ups, got disconnected
[14:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, there?
[14:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes
[14:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you know if jasoncwarner_'s keyboard capplet issue is known?
[14:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, the 2 first slitders of the capplet has no round you can drag
[14:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, what issue?
[14:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, slider
[14:57]  * rodrigo_ looks
[14:57] <rodrigo_> oh, indeed
[14:58] <rodrigo_> hmm, doesn't happen in 3.1.x from jhbuild
[14:58]  * rodrigo_ looks at the code
[15:19] <seb128> kenvandine, not sure if bug #656329 is fixed in your rewrite but I milestoned for oneiric
[15:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656329 in gwibber "should use gsettings rather than gconf" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656329
[15:19] <kenvandine> seb128, yup :)
[15:20]  * kenvandine just finished porting the backend to gsettings 
[15:20] <seb128> \o/
[15:34] <seb128> dobey, kenvandine: bug #800717
[15:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 800717 in ubuntuone-client "Should stop using gconf in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800717
[15:34] <seb128> dobey, kenvandine: basically since g-s-d and nautilus are on gsettings, gtk3 it means ubuntuone is having no desktop integration in oneiric
[15:34] <seb128> the gsd code is not loaded neither is the nautilus one
[15:35] <dobey> ok
[15:35] <dobey> weird, but ok
[15:36] <seb128> dobey, why weird?
[15:36] <rodrigo_> hey dobey
[15:36] <kenvandine> fta, can you disable the gwibber daily builds?
[15:36] <seb128> dobey, nautilus changed their abi number since they can't mix gtk2 and gtk3 in the same process so u1 is using the wrong dir and ignored
[15:37] <rodrigo_> dobey, the nightlies use the same package branch as the one in oneiric, right?
[15:37] <dobey> seb128: don't see why it matters if the extension uses gconf or gsettings in terms of the extension being loaded
[15:37] <dobey> rodrigo_: no
[15:37] <kenvandine> i am close to merging the client rewrite into trunk, which will break the dailies packaging branch about 2000 ways :)
[15:37] <seb128> dobey, the "enable" key is in gsettings for g-s-d
[15:37] <kenvandine> and we should switch to using LP for dailies anyway
[15:37] <dobey> seb128: that is a separate bug from the gconf one then
[15:37] <rodrigo_> dobey, ok, so you'll have to copy the patch that is failing to apply as soon as I submit it
[15:38] <seb128> dobey, GTK is bug #800723
[15:39] <dobey> rodrigo_: i looked at fixing it the other day, but saw you completely decimated that code for some reason; does trunk still build against evolution 2.x?
[15:39] <seb128> dobey, but yeah, both techs are an issue for different reasons
[15:39] <rodrigo_> dobey, yes, it's just the plugin code, which I refactored a bit to share some code for the tasks and contacts plugin
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 800723 in ubuntuone-client "should use GTK3" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800723
[15:39] <seb128> dobey, the gconf use is an issue because gsd reads gsettings to see what to enable and gtk2 is an issue since nautilus is on gtk3
[15:41] <dobey> seb128: the gconf thing is not an issue because g-s-d reading gsettings to see what to enable is completely separate from whether the plug-in itself uses gconf or gsettings for its own configuration; if we have to toggle an "enable" bool or add some schema to gsettings for having the plug-in load, i think that is still a separate bug from whether or not the extension itself is using gconf
[15:41] <seb128> dobey, right, in any case both gconf and gtk2 should be off the CD by next cycle so it would be nice to start porting this cycle ;-)
[15:42] <seb128> dobey, there is part of functional need there and part of cleaning
[15:42] <dobey> ah, i fixed the gtk2/gtk3 issue though in trunk, but haven't made a release yet, because we have lots of other underlying issues to fix as well :)
[15:52] <fta> kenvandine, sure, done
[15:52] <kenvandine> fta, thx
[15:52] <pitti> mvo: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main/revision/668 works for me
[15:52] <pitti> took a bit to get the async handling worked out
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[15:53] <pitti> seb128: now the blame is entirely on apturl
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, indeed
[15:54] <pitti> which needs porting to GI and to aptdaemon
[15:54] <pitti> mvo: do you want to review, or should I just upload?
[15:57] <seb128> pitti, do you still need the gksu depends?
[15:58] <pitti> right now yes
[15:58] <seb128> or to run software-properties-gtk with gksu?
[15:58] <pitti> yes, for that
[15:58] <pitti> it edits /etc/apt/sources.list, etc.
[15:58] <pitti> ideally all that should be offered in aptdaemon as well, and s-p should use it
[15:58] <seb128> right
[16:02] <mvo> pitti: I'm in a meeting currently, if you feel good about it, just upload, otherwise I review in ~30 min or so
[16:02] <pitti> mvo: ok, I'll upload and take the bullets
[16:03] <mvo> pitti: but looks good on a first glance
[16:03] <mvo> thanks a bunch pitti!
[16:03]  * pitti hugs mvo
[16:04]  * mvo hugs pitti back
[16:06] <kinouchou> hello seb128, didrocks & fredp
[16:06] <seb128> lut kinouchou
[16:07] <didrocks> salut kinouchou
[16:56] <didrocks> can anyone binNEW nux on amd64 and i386 (soname change)? I'm about to push unity :)
[16:58] <mterry> ronoc, heyo.  I just realized indicator-sound wasn't ported to gtk3 yet.  I'll propose a merge if you're not already in the middle of that
[16:59] <didrocks> seb128: ^ ?
[17:00] <pitti> good night everyone!
[17:01] <pitti> FYI, national holiday tomorrow; I'll probably get online a bit, but not much
[17:01] <kenvandine> good night pitti
[17:01] <pitti> so, see you on Friday!
[17:01] <kenvandine> enjoy!
[17:01]  * kenvandine wishes his new motherboard would arrive... i need my build box back!
[17:01] <chrisccoulson> have fun pitti!
[17:01] <didrocks> see you pitti!
[17:03] <rodrigo_> have fun pitti
[17:05] <seb128> pitti, 'night, have fun
[17:05] <seb128> didrocks, can do
[17:06] <didrocks> seb128: thanks :)
[17:06] <didrocks> powerpc came to life as well
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> heh, leDidRocks ;)
[17:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh! ;)
[17:13] <seb128> didrocks, NEWed
[17:13] <didrocks> seb128: thanks :) will you be available for the unity ones? (more complex though)
[17:13] <seb128> didrocks, you can NEW the armel build yourself later if you want
[17:13] <didrocks> seb128: thanks : )
[17:14] <seb128> didrocks, not sure since it will take until 20:00 for nux to be published now then unity needs to build
[17:14] <seb128> didrocks, but ping jdstrand for example if I'm not around
[17:14] <seb128> or StevenK
[17:15] <didrocks> 20:00, not 19:00?
[17:15] <seb128> didrocks, I will try to have a look when I'm back but I need to run in half an hour for sport and I might have dinner outside then
[17:15] <seb128> didrocks, the next publisher run is at 19:03 or something and publishing takes almost an hour
[17:15] <didrocks> seb128: ok, anyway, not that important, can wait
[17:16] <didrocks> I'll try to take a normal evening tonight, 7:30PM to get out  :)
[17:16] <seb128> didrocks, but feel free to NEW it yourself otherwise, I will double check it for you tomorrow ;-)
[17:18] <rodrigo_> ok, need to get out for some errands, bbl
[17:19] <seb128> rodrigo_, see you
[17:19] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw the grep for the http proxy returned several application
[17:19] <seb128> including ubiquity and update-manager, I'm opening bugs for those
[17:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, rhythmbox and banshee as well
[17:20] <seb128> software-center
[17:20] <seb128> evolution-data-server
[17:21] <mvo> seb128: hm? whats wrong with http_proxy?
[17:21] <seb128> mvo, gnome-control-center uses gsettings
[17:21] <seb128> mvo, so it doesn't write to gconf
[17:21] <mvo> aha
[17:22] <seb128> mvo, we were discuting on whether we still need the bridge rodrigo_ wrote which still write those values to gconf for compat
[17:22] <seb128> mvo, but those code will need to be ported to use gsettings rather than rely on compat bridges
[17:23] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, let me know the bug # once you file it
[17:23] <rodrigo_> ok, now really out, later all
[17:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gsettings
[17:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, you can watch that list, they are in it
[17:24] <seb128> mvo, bug #656332 btw, I milestone it to oneiric
[17:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656332 in update-manager "should use gsettings rather than gconf" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656332
[17:24] <seb128> or didrocks assigned it to himself, maybe he will do it for you ;-)
[17:25] <didrocks> update-manager? yeah, I'll have some fun with it :)
[17:25] <mvo> do what you want, I have dinner now ;)
[17:25]  * mvo &
[17:25] <seb128> mvo, enjoy!
[17:25] <didrocks> fg
[17:26] <didrocks> seb128: argh, you broke it! :-)
[17:26] <seb128> didrocks, broke what?
[17:26] <didrocks> (mvo process in background and I tried to "fg" to bring him back in the foreground ;))
[17:26] <seb128> lol
[17:29] <seb128> ok, need to go, see you later!
[18:12] <ronoc> mterry, not at all in the middle of it, merges welcome :)
[18:13] <mterry> ronoc, cool, almost done, but hitting some odd issues with finding the currently selected menuitem in gtk3  :)
[18:14] <ronoc> mterry, ah the keypress callback in indicator-sound.c ?
[18:15] <mterry> ronoc, yeah
[18:15] <ronoc> mterry, other than that was it painful ?
[18:15] <mterry> (actually, not even dealing with gtk3 right now, just non-deprecated gtk2)
[18:16] <mterry> ronoc, no, just some ifdefs and switching from deprecated to non functions
[18:16] <ronoc> good stuff
[18:43] <ogra_> didrocks, i tried to log in with unity instead of -2d today on my armel netbook ... the auto detection is just awesome, but metacity seems to have all composite effects enabled
[18:43] <ogra_> in the unity-2d session if you select it from the DM, composite is on but effects are off
[18:43] <ogra_> would be good if they could behave the same
[18:44] <didrocks> ogra_: right, we discussed that there with you 2 weeks before, seems it's urigo who enabled that, and I told you to speak with him IIRC :)
[18:44] <didrocks> Kaleo: ^
[18:44] <ogra_> didrocks, no, thats something different
[18:44] <didrocks> oh?
[18:44] <didrocks> oh
[18:44] <didrocks> on the session
[18:44] <didrocks> yeah, for fallbacak
[18:44] <didrocks> this is a known issue
[18:44] <didrocks> from the beginning
[18:44] <didrocks> the gconf keys aren't applied
[18:44] <ogra_> there is a discrepancy between the unity-2d session i get when the auto fallback og unity kicks in
[18:44] <didrocks> (on fallbacking)
[18:45] <ogra_> vs the session i get if i select unity-2d directly
[18:45] <didrocks> the evil master plan is to make this detection in lightdm itself
[18:45] <didrocks> before choosing the session
[18:45] <ogra_> well, whatever works
[18:45] <didrocks> which I will try do to next week :)
[18:45] <ogra_> having composite on isnt that big of a showstopper ... as long as the effects stay off
[18:46] <didrocks> I think Kaleo is aware of that :)
[18:46] <ogra_> i think it actually speeds up all the QML stuff
[18:46] <ogra_> while metacity itself gets a bit slower
[18:47] <ogra_> i.e. in alt+tab i usually dont get to see the app switcher (takes abotu 1sec to render) , the switching is fast though
[18:47] <Kaleo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/791205 is a prerequisite to fix that
[18:47] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 791205 in unity-2d "Metacity needs command line options to activate capture before unmap and compositing without effects" [High,Confirmed]
[18:47] <didrocks> so you need:
[18:47] <didrocks> compositing on
[18:47] <didrocks> effects off
[18:47] <ogra_> yep
[18:47] <ogra_> which is the default in the -2d session already
[18:47] <ogra_> but if the issue is known anyway i will keep quiet :)
[18:48] <didrocks> ogra_: we'll think to it, do not hesitate to ping/hurt me during the sprint :)
[18:49] <ogra_> yeah, no worries :)
[18:49] <ogra_> i'll hurt you by forcing you to drink a beer :)
[18:51] <didrocks> \o/
[18:51] <didrocks> I like this kind of the pain
[18:52] <ogra_> :)
[20:20] <mterry> ronoc, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-sound/gtk3/+merge/65552
[22:06] <ronoc> mterry, thanks - will do now
[22:06] <mterry> ronoc, yw; I don't know why I missed it when doing the others  :)
[22:07]  * ronoc takes a look
[22:32] <mterry> tremolux, heyo.  Did donations in software-center get discussed last UDS?  Curious what the plan of record for those are
[22:35] <tremolux> mterry: hey! we did not have a session for donations and in fact we don't have an active blueprint for it for oneiric unfortunately
[22:35] <tremolux> mterry: here is the spec for it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareDonations
[22:37] <tremolux> mterry: we have a lot of other work for s-c this cycle including a full UI refresh (with spec is coming next week), and so donations will have to be postponed for this cycle
[22:38] <mterry> tremolux, yeah.  Just curious what the state of art is.  I'm excited about the UI refresh.  The mockups on omg ubuntu were pretty fancy
[22:38] <tremolux> mterry: haha, indeed  :)
[22:39] <tremolux> seems highly unlikely we'll be able to do all of that in 4 weeks or so before feature freeze, but we are going to try to hit as much as we can based on priorities
[22:40] <jasoncwarner_> hey guys
[22:40] <mterry> jasoncwarner_, hello!
[22:40] <TheMuso> Hey jasoncwarner_.
[22:40] <jasoncwarner_> hey mterry TheMuso and tremolux. how is everyone?
[22:40] <TheMuso> Well thanks.
[22:40] <tremolux> heya jasoncwarner_!
[22:40] <mterry> good
[22:40] <tremolux> very well, thanks
[22:41]  * bryceh waves
[22:41] <tremolux> jasoncwarner_: I just sent you an email in response to your email  ;)
[22:43] <jasoncwarner_> tremolux: cool...I keep refreshing OMG ubuntu to see if the designs are finished yet ;) (sarcasm)
[22:43] <tremolux> jasoncwarner_: LOL
[22:44] <jasoncwarner_> tremolux: :)
[22:49] <jasoncwarner_> tremolux: just read the email. next week at the rally lets talk about some rough idea of scope of the list just so we can start communicating that out; set expectations again...thanks
[22:49] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, btw have you seen that gfx corruption / window clicking bug again, that you mentioned yesterday?
[22:51] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: I did, but I was in unity again...switched to it after using classic all day
[22:51] <jasoncwarner_> thinking it is a unity issue
[22:51] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, ok, makes sense