[08:55] <MooDoo> hello all
[16:02]  * slangasek brandishes the gavel
[16:02]  * jhunt does Matrix-esque back bend to avoid it
[16:02]  * stgraber waves
[16:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[16:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  lightning round
[16:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko csurbhi stgraber jhunt mvo ev vorlon bdmurray)
[16:03] <slangasek> jhunt csurbhi ev barry bdmurray doko cjwatson vorlon stgraber mvo
[16:03] <slangasek> jhunt: hi there :)
[16:04] <jhunt> More discussions on upstart-devel and pondering re aliases (for abstract
[16:04] <jhunt> jobs) and disabling of Upstart jobs. YACU ("yet another Cookbook
[16:04] <jhunt> Update"). Testing shutdown.conf. Detailed code review of Surbhis Upstart
[16:04] <jhunt> in initramfs branch and discussions with her. Finished merge and test of
[16:04] <jhunt> Upstart 1.3 into Ubuntu package (it's in my PPA) and raised MP: it's
[16:04] <jhunt> rather a nasty merge due to the branch change. Fixed bug 777097 (now
[16:04] <jhunt> merged). Spent some time on bug 777093 but needs more drastic changes to
[16:04] <jhunt> NIH (ditto for bug 776532). Working on converting SysV services in main
[16:04] <jhunt> to Upstart jobs.
[16:04] <jhunt> ✔
[16:05] <jhunt> cjwatson: could I prod you re the MP or shall I get SpamapS to take a look? I'd like to land it relatively soon to allow us to get the shutdown.conf added straight after).
[16:05] <slangasek> why does the branch change make it a nasty merge?
[16:05] <slangasek> (is the merge done using bzr merge-upstream)?
[16:06] <jhunt> well, the current Ubuntu branch has the same changes, but in different diffs.
[16:06] <cjwatson> jhunt: oh, yeah, I'll take care of it - sorry
[16:06] <cjwatson> I think I saw it last thing on Friday or something
[16:06] <jhunt> cjwatson: np, thx.
[16:06] <slangasek> ah, so they're under debian/patches, not applied to source, ok
[16:06] <jhunt> slangasek: it just appears rather large on lp, but it's essentially (mostly) a "nop"
[16:07]  * slangasek nods
[16:07] <jhunt> slangasek: although it does have all the new upstream goodness (bug fixes and features :)
[16:07] <slangasek> :)
[16:07] <slangasek> no surbhi at the moment
[16:07] <slangasek> ev:
[16:07] <jhunt> slangasek: no, sorry. They aren't in as patches, but when you look at the diff stats for my branch, it looks a bit crazy.
[16:08] <ev> - Short week; holiday on Friday.
[16:08] <ev> - QA test automation sprinting Wednesday and Thursday.
[16:08] <ev> - Looking into the various toolkit options for Wubi's future.  This involved
[16:08] <ev>   setting up a Windows VM (yay new license), and testing the footprint of
[16:08] <ev>   various WebKit embedding solutions (chromiumembedded, Awesomium, Pyside and
[16:08] <ev>   QtWebKit, etc) as well as looking at the Ubuntu.com access logs to see just
[16:08] <ev>   what percentage of Windows users have .NET 3.5 and thus WPF support.
[16:08] <ev> - Finally got the GObject Introspection bindings working with Cheese.  Started
[16:08] <ev>   building a test harness using v42loopback.
[16:08] <ev> - Had a brief chat with mpt on the design of the wireless network page, and
[16:08] <ev>   started implementing it using NetworkManager's fancy new 0.7 DBus API.
[16:08] <ev> - Reviewed and merged maco's ubiquity branch to fix bug 791446.
[16:08] <ev> TODO:
[16:08] <ev> - Come up with a new installer testing system built around remote power and USB-driven
[16:08] <ev>   images. Expense a pile of mini-ITX boards and further kit to Pete in advance
[16:08] <ev>   of the sprint.
[16:08] <ev> - Reply to the TB on measuring installation success/failure.  Get the
[16:08] <ev>   implementation off the ground.
[16:08] <ev> (done)
[16:09] <barry> short week (vacation on monday); bug 797281 (python-httplib2 breaking launchpadlib via lazr.restfulclient); foundations-o-python-versions (py3 cd size calculation); pep 382 planning - sprinted yesterday (summary to be posted); dh_python2 jam tomorrow in #ubuntu-pyjam; out this afternoon; done.
[16:10] <bdmurray> ubuntu qa pkg stats web pages fix for broken categories
[16:10] <bdmurray> added in additional foundations packages to pkg stats scripts to make qa pkg pages
[16:10] <bdmurray> branch and bug report for natty SRU of apport package hook for update-manager LP: #797894
[16:10] <bdmurray> apt branch to deal with 'cannot access archive' package install failures
[16:10] <bdmurray> queried launchpad for all ubuntu-foundations packages with upstream projects that use Launchpad for bug tracking
[16:10] <bdmurray> updated grab-attachments in ubuntu-dev-tools to grab all attachments for a package's bugs
[16:10] <bdmurray> investigation into and bug triage of initramfs-tools bugs regarding update-initramfs and lack of free space on /boot
[16:10] <bdmurray> reduced new bug count in initramfs-tools by ~50% - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/initramfs-tools
[16:11] <bdmurray> bug triage of and pattern writing for msttcorefonts bug reports
[16:11] <bdmurray> reduced new bug count in msttcorefonts by >50% - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/msttcorefonts
[16:11] <bdmurray> investigation into debconf bug 442941 and some duplicate consolidation from other packages
[16:11] <bdmurray> troubleshooting and bug reporting regarding wireless issue on my laptop
[16:11] <bdmurray> done
[16:12] <slangasek> ev: is there a clear winner for webkit footprint?
[16:12]  * cjwatson suspects that that debconf problem is actually a bug specific to package management frontends
[16:12] <ev> slangasek: mail coming on that shortly, but the short answer is they're all about 8-10MB compressed
[16:13] <ev> we might be able to get that down a bit further if we fine tune the ICU library
[16:13] <slangasek> bdmurray: "broken categories" - sorry, what are 'categories' in context?
[16:13] <bdmurray> cjwatson: at least with some of the msttcorefonts bugs I also saw messages regarding failure to accept the license
[16:13] <ev> but that would likely be offset by the actual wubi code and libraries
[16:13] <ev> as these were just hello world examples
[16:13] <bdmurray> slangasek: categories are just groupings of packages (installer, gnome, etc) on the pkg status pages
[16:13] <slangasek> ok
[16:15] <jhunt> Is there some way we could automatically run "perl -c" on all packages with .p[lm] files in them to avoid bugs like 442941?
[16:16] <slangasek> 50% reduction in new bugs on initramfs-tools - very nice!  Does that have any detectable impact on the rate at which new bugs are being filed?
[16:16] <cjwatson> doing it on all packages would be pretty rough, but you could definitely do it package-by-package
[16:16] <slangasek> ev: heh, 8-10MB handily rules out including it on the CD then, doesn't it
[16:16] <cjwatson> but that's not the problem with 442941
[16:16] <bdmurray> slangasek: yes as I wrote bug patterns to prevent the most commonly reported package installation failures
[16:16] <cjwatson> debconf gives you that error when the other end of what it's talking to went away
[16:16] <ev> slangasek: exactly. Though I am openly wondering how important that is to us.
[16:16] <cjwatson> it's not a compile-time problem
[16:16] <slangasek> ev: I am too :-)
[16:17] <ev> admittedly, all the download managers I've seen (Microsoft's, for example) aren't any bigger than 3 MB or so.
[16:17] <ev> and Wubi is effectively becoming one.
[16:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: is it in the same range of 50% reduction of new bugs being filed?  Or maybe even higher?
[16:17] <ev> with the USB and CD writing.
[16:17]  * slangasek nods
[16:18] <slangasek> cjwatson: is there any sense in the last comment on 442941, claiming that it's related to using a root password vs. sudo?
[16:18] <bdmurray> slangasek: no thinking about it possibly lower due to an apport bug
[16:18] <slangasek> bdmurray: ah, ok
[16:19] <cjwatson> slangasek: it doesn't make sense to me
[16:19] <jhunt> cjwatson: interestingly enough though, "perl -c ...Passthrough.pm still gives warnings on natty (for another included file).
[16:19] <cjwatson> jhunt: yeah, but it doesn't matter
[16:19] <cjwatson> oh, that error is nonsense
[16:19]  * slangasek idly wonders what the old monthly QA reports of Ubuntu bugs over time would show after bdmurray's run of squashing all the biggest duplicate bugs: )
[16:19] <cjwatson> I think
[16:20] <cjwatson> it at least isn't important, since it's only in an error case that hardly ever happens - I'll go have a look and see if it can be squashed though
[16:20] <slangasek> doko is off today; cjwatson?
[16:20] <cjwatson> I need to work on porting debconf's python bits to dh_python2 anyway ...
[16:20] <cjwatson> o
[16:20] <cjwatson> Fixed grub2 to handle encrypted btrfs /.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Fixed parted regression due to Linux 3.0 versioning.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Added BOOTIF= support to netcfg (Canonical support escalation).
[16:20] <cjwatson> Added LightDM support to casper, user-setup, and ubiquity.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Tracked down and fixed a weird dpkg triggers regression.
[16:20] <cjwatson> Completed my work items for foundations-o-wubi - the hard bit was handling non-128 ext3/4 inode sizes.  Maybe with any luck I won't have to look at Wubi for the rest of the cycle? :-)
[16:21] <cjwatson> Worked with Surbhi on D-Bus details for initctl pivot.
[16:21] <cjwatson> Taught the installer to regenerate .pyc files and removed them from live filesystems (13MB or so).  Involved fixing a couple of Python module packages along the way.
[16:21] <cjwatson> Started looking at IPv6 support in netcfg; much of this has been done for Debian, although it hasn't been landed and the developer doing the work has abandoned it, so I'll need to take that over.
[16:21] <cjwatson> --
[16:21] <slangasek> BOOTIF> whooo
[16:22] <barry> cjwatson: py-stuff: \o/
[16:22] <slangasek> wubi - that's the hope at least :), but per ev's report above we're still trying to nail down some of the basics about what we're expecting wubi to be at the end of the cycle that affect what skill set we need in a contractor
[16:22]  * cjwatson nods
[16:22] <cjwatson> I meant more that the rest of the work items are assigned to ev ... :-)
[16:22] <slangasek> my turn then
[16:22] <slangasek> ah :-)
[16:23]  * ev peeks up from under the pile of them
[16:23] <slangasek> - merged dpkg 1.16.0 so packages depending on it for multiarch can be in sync with Debian
[16:23] <slangasek> - introduced a weird dpkg triggers regression that cjwatson tracked down and fixed ;P
[16:23] <cjwatson> heh
[16:24] <slangasek> - merged new upstream util-linux, nobody's come screaming so apparently no regressions in that one
[16:24] <slangasek> - continuing to flush multiarch changes to Debian; ~65 library packages to go
[16:25] <slangasek> - planning to look at the plymouth merge this week, to try to get that in place before the rally
[16:25] <slangasek> EOF
[16:25] <slangasek> stgraber:
[16:25] <stgraber> So, last week: - Discussed arkose quite a bit with some people - Started implementing some extra aufs options into arkose - Proof of concept for firewalling in the containers - Updated my IPv6 test setup - Started looking at what's wrong with dhclient and IPv6
[16:25] <cjwatson> slangasek: incidentally, if you want closure on dpkg, I think the problem was that in dpkg 1.16.0~ubuntu8 the timestamp on trigdeferred.c in the source tarball was older than that on trigdeferred.l, so it got rebuilt, but in 1.16.0.3ubuntu1 they had the same timestamp
[16:25] <stgraber> This week: - Fixed dhclient.conf to work fine with IPv6 - Did some NetworkManager tests with cyphermox, hopefully we'll have IPv6 by default soon - Finally updated sssd to the new upstream release, closing quite a few bugs (version 1.5.8) - Figured out what was wrong with the new nbd in Debian and did the merge in Ubuntu - Had to deal with some abuse on the WebLive servers. Will blog about it soon.
[16:25] <stgraber> Rest of the week: - Patch pilot this afternoon - Some more IPv6 tests - Hopefully a new release of Arkose with some bugfixes. - Friday is public holiday so I'll then see you all in Dublin on Sunday.
[16:25] <stgraber> (done)
[16:26] <stgraber> doh, copy/paste failed
[16:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: right, figured it might be something like that
[16:26] <cjwatson> stgraber: is overlayfs likely to be useful to you?  I noticed apw talking about it recently, and I expect that once overlayfs works for the live CD case they'll be keen to ditch aufs
[16:26] <stgraber> for the long one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/630856/
[16:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: yep, I'll have to look into that, especially to check it supports the same features as aufs
[16:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: as I use some more features than what we use for our livecds (specifically the multiple branch feature)
[16:28] <cjwatson> ah
[16:28] <mvo> last week:
[16:28] <mvo> update-manager: include apt_btrfs_snapshot in the upgrader, check for i8xx PCIIDs and warn on upgrade (LP: 774999)
[16:28] <mvo> software-center: move from restfulclient to piston-mini-client for the SoftwareCenterAgent API calls (took a bit), code cleanup (add SpawnHelper), improve package descriptions parser, review/merge some branches, add htmlize_package_description, debshots: work on multiple screenshots for a single app, add json api for querying availalbe screenshots
[16:28] <mvo> apt: review/sponsor apt natty SRU (#346386), work on libapt-pkg4.10 (with debian)
[16:28] <mvo> apt-btrfs-snapshot: work on benchmarking apt/dpkg on btrfs, add "list-old-than 10d" support to the commandline
[16:28] <mvo> work on  lp:~j-johan-edwards/archive-crawler/near-rewrite
[16:28] <mvo> do a bunch of outstanding merges (and forward patches when appropriate) including aptitude which took a bit
[16:28] <mvo> (done)
[16:28] <mvo> Tomorrow is a public holiday, friday a vacation day for me
[16:28] <mvo> (really done)
[16:29] <barry> mvo: why the move away from restfulclient?
[16:29] <mvo> barry: ISD is using piston-mini-client by default for all their stuff
[16:30] <barry> mvo: ok! thx
[16:30] <mvo> barry: I just follow them here, I don't really strong opionion about it
[16:30] <mvo> only ubuntu sso is using restfulclient currently, once there is the piston api available (I was told soon) that will remove that last bit as well
[16:30] <barry> make sense, since it keeps things in the django house
[16:31] <mvo> yeah
[16:31] <slangasek> django house, a very esoteric musical subgenre
[16:32] <barry> :)
[16:32] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:32] <slangasek> anything else that's new and groovy?
[16:32] <slangasek> or new and hairy?
[16:35] <slangasek> same ol', same ol', apparently :)
[16:35] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:35] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:35.
[16:35] <slangasek> thanks, everyone!
[16:35] <mvo> thanks
[16:35] <jhunt> thanks
[16:35] <stgraber> thanks
[16:35] <barry> thanks!
[16:37] <mvo> while reviewing the new app-install-data stuff I noticed we have a "beer brewing calculator" now … impressive, category is Engineering
[16:37] <ScottK> Seems right.
[16:37]  * mvo is impressed it even has a database with different recipes
[16:38] <mvo> … now we only need something like this for green tea too
[17:59]  * patrickmw waves
[18:00] <patrickmw> few more minutes :)
[18:00] <jibel> \o
[18:00] <patrickmw> nm, its 1700 utc now :) hello jibel
[18:00] <jibel> Hey patrickmw
[18:01] <patrickmw> #startmeeting
[18:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:01. The chair is patrickmw.
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[18:01] <patrickmw> Agenda:
[18:01] <patrickmw> Previous Actions (all)
[18:01] <patrickmw> bdmurray furhter research into the quantity of bug reports containing workarounds
[18:01] <patrickmw> Community Efforts/Testing
[18:01] <patrickmw> Automated/Systems Testing
[18:01] <patrickmw> Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:01]  * charlie-tca is in awe; the meeting page actually works
[18:01] <patrickmw> Other Topics
[18:01] <patrickmw> Chair Selection
[18:01] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Previous Actions
[18:01] <patrickmw> bdmurray?
[18:01] <bdmurray> patrickmw: I did it let me find that email
[18:02] <patrickmw> we'll come right back to you
[18:02] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Community Efforts/Testing
[18:02] <bdmurray> \o
[18:02] <bdmurray> o/
[18:03] <patrickmw> that was quick
[18:03] <bdmurray> so initially I'd said about 720 bug reports had workarounds in the description
[18:03] <bdmurray> come to find out my search was case sensitive and its more like 10,000
[18:04] <bdmurray> In all fairness the documentation does say to use WORKAROUND
[18:05] <jibel> bdmurray, it that opened bug reports only or fixed as well ?
[18:05] <bdmurray> regardless workarounds have been documented a fair bit and these should be communicated more and better
[18:05] <bdmurray> jibel: all bugs
[18:05] <jibel> bdmurray, k
[18:06] <bdmurray> patrickmw: that's it
[18:07] <patrickmw> thank you, bdmurray.  back to community efforts
[18:07] <patrickmw> pedro_, jibel?
[18:07] <jibel> SRU testing
[18:08] <jibel> Over the past week 874 packages have been published to stable releases
[18:08] <jibel> The complete list is available at
[18:08] <jibel> [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sru/latest.html
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sru/latest.html
[18:08] <jibel> * A total of 832 packages have been published to natty
[18:08] <jibel>   * 4 packages published to natty-updates: foo2zjs, icedtea-web, sandboxgamemaker, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[18:08] <jibel>   * 805 packages published to natty-security: firefox, 794 languages packs, flashplugin-nonfree,libvirt, libxml2, mozvoikko, nagios3, openjdk-6, openjdk-6b18, tgt, ubufox, webfav
[18:08] <jibel>   * 23 packages published to natty-proposed: bindwood, byobu, bzr, curl, deja-dup, evince, firefox, fpc, gecko-mediaplayer, gxine, kde4libs, kdeutils, linux-firmware, moon, mozvoikko, ntp, oss4, quickly, software-center, unity, vlc, webfav, whois
[18:08] <jibel> * A total of 17 packages have been published to maverick
[18:08] <jibel>   * 2 packages published to maverick-updates: grub2, lupin
[18:08] <jibel>   * 11 packages published to maverick-security: ejabberd, firefox, flashplugin-nonfree, libvirt, libxml2, nagios3, nbd, openjdk-6, openjdk-6b18, tgt, xulrunner-1.9.2
[18:08] <jibel>   * 4 packages published to maverick-proposed: byobu, fpc, openssh, software-center
[18:08] <jibel> * A total of 23 packages have been published to lucid
[18:08] <jibel>   * 6 packages published to lucid-updates: dkms, dovecot, grub2, language-pack-gnome-fr, lupin, sysvinit
[18:08] <jibel>   * 11 packages published to lucid-security: ejabberd, firefox, flashplugin-nonfree, libvirt, libxml2, nagios3, nbd, nginx, openjdk-6, openjdk-6b18, xulrunner-1.9.2
[18:08] <jibel>   * 6 packages published to lucid-proposed: byobu, debian-installer, fpc, linux, netcfg, openssh
[18:09] <jibel> * A total of 2 packages have been published to hardy-security: libxml2, nbd
[18:09] <jibel> Thanks to everyone who helped with testing.
[18:09] <jibel> micahg, sent a call for testing for firefox in Natty
[18:11] <jibel> Next Oneiric milestone is in 2 weeks, but you can test daily builds until then.
[18:11] <jibel> and that's all for today
[18:11] <jibel> pedro_, ? any news on bugdays ?
[18:11] <pedro_> Hello, Yes!
[18:11] <pedro_> there's a bug day being organized for tomorrow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20110623
[18:12] <pedro_> Unity is the target , so if you use Oneiric and want to contribute a little to make Unity rock please join us
[18:12] <pedro_> as always the *whole* day your timezone at #ubuntu-bugs
[18:12] <pedro_> ..
[18:13] <patrickmw> thanks, guys
[18:13] <patrickmw> [Automated/Systems Testing]
[18:13] <patrickmw> boo
[18:13] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Automated/Systems Testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> = What was done last week =
[18:13] <patrickmw> The Automation Sprint was productive and we have been able to set goals for Oneiric and beyond. The three highest priority testing items:
[18:13] <patrickmw> * ISO server and EC2 image testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Kernel SRU testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Installer testing
[18:13] <patrickmw> Other projects:
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Public Jenkins viewing instance
[18:13] <patrickmw> * testing notifications mailing list
[18:13] <patrickmw> * ISO server tests have been migrated to the new lab
[18:13] <patrickmw> = What's happening this week =
[18:13] <patrickmw> * Running the tests for all images is now 8x faster.  The CPU load on the system averaged around 30%.  The current bottleneck is IO.  Once we get the new drives added we should see increased performance.
[18:13] <patrickmw> * EC2 access has been configured and we will be setting up EC2 tests
[18:13] <patrickmw> * The kernel sru testing project is undergoing modifications to prepare for Alpha 2 kernel testing
[18:14] <patrickmw> = What we need to move forward =
[18:14] <patrickmw> * Awaiting new hardware for Installer test environment
[18:14] <patrickmw> Questions?
[18:14] <jibel> o/
[18:14] <patrickmw> yes?
[18:15] <jibel> not a question, just some infos about Wubi testing
[18:16] <jibel> Some good progress this week, I added a noninteractive mode to Wubi and I'm now able to run a wubi installation completely automatically.
[18:16] <jibel> I expect to finish the automated tests of Wubi tomorrow after some polishing and testing.
[18:16] <jibel> Some details still remains like selecting Ubuntu by default before reboot then back to windows by default for next run,
[18:16] <jibel> switching the default windows user to auto login,
[18:16] <jibel> how to start a jenkins job in Windows and report the results from Ubuntu
[18:16] <jibel> and how to remove all those Ads installed by default on Windows and which pop up continuously during the test run
[18:17] <jibel> I hope we'll be able to add the test machine to the automated test run next week. We have to figure
[18:17] <jibel> remove the "We have to figure" c/p error
[18:18] <jibel> This doesn't replace what ev plan to do with kvm autotest of course
[18:18] <jibel> ..
[18:18] <patrickmw> awesome!
[18:19] <patrickmw> unless there is anything else we're moving on in 3
[18:19] <patrickmw> 2
[18:19] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Engineering Team Bug Status
[18:19] <patrickmw> who wants to start?
[18:20] <bdmurray> \o/
[18:20] <patrickmw> go, sir!
[18:20] <bdmurray> updated grab-attachments in ubuntu-dev-tools to grab all attachments for a package's bugs
[18:20] <bdmurray> reduced new bug count in initramfs-tools by ~50% - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/initramfs-tools
[18:21] <bdmurray> some details at http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=104
[18:21] <bdmurray> reduced new bug count in msttcorefonts by >50% - http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/msttcorefonts
[18:21] <bdmurray> looked into some debconf package install failures bug 442941
[18:22] <bdmurray> I added in some additional foundations packages to the package status pages
[18:22] <bdmurray> . done .
[18:22] <patrickmw> danke
[18:23] <jibel> bdmurray, that's fantastic. I think bug 349469 could benefit of your magic too.
[18:23] <patrickmw> pedro_, any updates for Desktop?
[18:23] <jibel> there are quite a bunch
[18:23] <pedro_> patrickmw, nope , the bug day was my item for it and already covered
[18:23] <bdmurray> jibel: thanks I've seen some of those but hadn't looked for the master yet
[18:23] <patrickmw> great. did I miss anyone?
[18:24] <patrickmw> not sure if jibel or hggdh have updates this section
[18:25] <jibel> nothing from me.
[18:25] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Other Topics
[18:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Topics
[18:25] <patrickmw> open floor
[18:25] <bdmurray> \o
[18:26] <patrickmw> bdmurray, go ahead :) - your arm must be tired
[18:26] <bdmurray> As a general statement bug patterns can be really really helpful for consolidation duplicate bug reports and preventing further bug reports.
[18:27] <bdmurray> I've seen some cases where people have been manually marking duplicates for bugs reported by apport where a pattern would have made things a lot easier for them.
[18:27] <bdmurray> ..
[18:27] <patrickmw> bdmurray: is there a list on the wiki of common bug patterns?
[18:27] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo#Bug_patterns
[18:27] <patrickmw> there ya go peeps
[18:28] <jibel> bdmurray, will you give a session about bug patterns at next udw ?
[18:28] <bdmurray> jibel: when is that again?
[18:28] <jibel> in 3 weeks iircs
[18:29] <jibel> 11th July
[18:29] <jibel> to 15th
[18:29] <bdmurray> jibel: okay signing up
[18:29] <patrickmw> thanks again, bdmurray. any other topics?
[18:29] <jibel> or more generally how to take advantage of bug patterns, grab-attachment and other lp tools
[18:30] <patrickmw> [TOPIC] Chair Selection
[18:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chair Selection
[18:30] <patrickmw> jibel?
[18:30] <hggdh> sorry, was out on a medical procedure, and am still groggy
[18:31] <jibel> Sure, I'll chair next meeting.
[18:31] <patrickmw> jibel, thank you very much
[18:31] <jibel> yw
[18:31] <patrickmw> #endmeeting
[18:31] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:31.
[18:32] <jibel> Thanks for chairing patrickmw
[18:32] <pedro_> thanks
[18:32] <patrickmw> my pleasure
[18:33] <charlie-tca> Thanks for chairing, patrickmw