| Unit193 | micahg: I'm really not sure if it counts, but I just crashed FF using downloadhelper | 03:47 |
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| micahg | Unit193: cool, can you report the crash to mozilla | 03:47 |
| micahg | Unit193: I actually had Firefox 5 pushed out already, but thanks | 03:48 |
| micahg | we can still get stuff fixed though | 03:48 |
| micahg | Firefox 6 is 8 weeks away :) | 03:48 |
| Unit193 | Looks like I'm a bit behind... | 03:49 |
| Unit193 | Sorry about that :P | 03:49 |
| micahg | Unit193: no problem, there were only a few who answered my call for testing | 03:50 |
| micahg | Unit193: like I said, we can still get stuff fixed | 03:50 |
| micahg | there are still plenty of bugs in Firefox :) I just wanted to catch regressions | 03:51 |
| Unit193 | micahg: Once I download this, I'll see if I can do it again | 03:52 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Damnit! I never realized that! However, the login screen should give some pointers for that, I think. It isn't obvious as it is, hell, it isn't intuitive in the least bit at the moment. | 06:04 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: There's just my name (as full name for my user), then Other... | 06:04 |
| astraljava | The session selection comes only after clicking on the Other... | 06:04 |
| astraljava | But yeah, thanks for the pointer! | 06:05 |
| charlie-tca | That's the kind of things we "testers" have to be looking for. How else do we if things are usable broken or unusable broken? | 12:57 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: ^ ^ | 12:58 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: will the umask change affect us at all? | 13:18 |
| charlie-tca | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/umask-to-0002 | 13:18 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Yep. :) | 13:35 |
| charlie-tca | we got the xubuntu slideshow back | 14:08 |
| mr_pouit | yes, it will affect all variants | 14:19 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe not the right question. Will it create any additional work for us or can we just let it happen? | 14:20 |
| mr_pouit | no, just let it happen | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 14:20 |
| charlie-tca | That's the answer I hoped for | 14:20 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: thanks for subscribing me to the artwork-bugs | 15:39 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: i think i'd rather drop the dropbox icons than fix them in elementaryXubuntu, i don't even wanna start supporting 3rd party stuff, it's a never ending story... | 15:40 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: I see one or two pixels to the right of the scrollbar in most windows that is not usable. If I click within that space, nothing happens. | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | Also, sometimes in firefox, the scrollbars disappear | 16:00 |
| charlie-tca | (oneiric with latest greybird from git | 16:00 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: hm, can't confirm the firefox issue in natty, maybe an oneiric specific problem? | 16:03 |
| charlie-tca | could be | 16:03 |
| ochosi | think with the scrollbar it's only 1px border | 16:03 |
| charlie-tca | might not even be firefox, of course. Maybe something with the latest Xorg or who knows yet | 16:03 |
| ochosi | not sure it's worth the sacrifice of general looks for firefox's fullscreen behavior... | 16:04 |
| ochosi | mhm | 16:04 |
| charlie-tca | Never used fullscreen | 16:04 |
| ochosi | sry, meant maximized | 16:04 |
| ochosi | but in fact i rarely use maximized either ;) | 16:04 |
| charlie-tca | me too | 16:05 |
| charlie-tca | I run almost everything in smaller windows, since I keep dasher on the right, and it needs some space without being on top of applications | 16:05 |
| charlie-tca | The white space right of scrollbar is okay if we can't change it. | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | The firefox thing, I don't know yet. I haven't pinned it down far enough yet | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | Just thought I would give you a heads up on it | 16:06 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: k, thanks! | 16:19 |
| charlie-tca | no problem, I hope I didn't upset you with it. I just intended to let you know, and see if you knew about it yet | 16:21 |
| ochosi | hehe, no, no problem | 16:23 |
| ochosi | i'm not *that* sensitive ;) | 16:23 |
| ochosi | just wanted to prevent people from screaming: "what did you do with the old theme?!" ;) | 16:23 |
| GridCube | what did you do to it? | 16:24 |
| GridCube | :P | 16:24 |
| ochosi | hehe | 16:25 |
| ochosi | you don't want to know ;) | 16:25 |
| ochosi | in fact i just made a new iteration of it, since you're asking: http://imagebin.org/159501 | 16:25 |
| GridCube | :P | 16:25 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: i think this is by far the best scrollbar we had so far ^ | 16:25 |
| GridCube | :) thats nice, im more fond of dark themes tho | 16:25 |
| ochosi | yeah, maybe we'll do a dark theme one day | 16:26 |
| ochosi | i always thought of tweaking/modernizing NOX | 16:26 |
| GridCube | thats why i use albatross :D | 16:26 |
| ochosi | yeah, i might fix a few things there for the upcoming release | 16:27 |
| ochosi | but it's getting increasingly difficult to manage everything | 16:27 |
| ochosi | 3 themes (albatross, bluebird, greybird) and all would need some attention | 16:27 |
| GridCube | It is understable | 16:27 |
| ochosi | especially gtk3 variants... | 16:27 |
| GridCube | oh, that sounds messy | 16:27 |
| ochosi | well i could use some help with all of that | 16:28 |
| ochosi | but seems i'll be alone for another cycle :) | 16:28 |
| GridCube | :( i don't know any programing at all | 16:28 |
| ochosi | it's not really so much programming | 16:28 |
| ochosi | but yes, you should no a few things about gtk and about the engines you're using | 16:28 |
| ochosi | it's mostly about being creative | 16:28 |
| GridCube | :P maybe in a few months i will be able to do that kind of things, maybe if i start doing simple things now? | 16:29 |
| ochosi | you can always start out easy by modifying existing themes | 16:30 |
| GridCube | :P | 16:30 |
| GridCube | im afraid of broking things | 16:30 |
| ochosi | heh | 16:31 |
| ochosi | it's not really that dangerous | 16:31 |
| GridCube | breaking? men i need to know that word | 16:31 |
| ochosi | :) | 16:32 |
| ochosi | gotta go, catch you later | 16:32 |
| GridCube | := | 16:32 |
| GridCube | :) | 16:32 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: images are working today, except live desktop | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | hoping the scrollbar doesn't go blending into the theme completely again | 17:05 |
| GridCube | :) im doing the alternate test since like an hour ago, it really takes lot of time, this time i disconected the internet from the vbox, else it would be like 5 hours installing like yesterdays | 17:06 |
| GridCube | will do the updates once the system is installed, i don't understand why this isn't always the case | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | You must be on that slow connection again | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | The updates are downloading automatically by mistake, which is why as soon as the install is done, you get the update-manager icon on the login | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | The only way to keep them from downloading during the installation (and slowing it down) is by disconnecting the internet completely | 17:10 |
| GridCube | thats what i did | 17:11 |
| GridCube | and im toping at 320kBs so i don't think is my conection, but it might be | 17:12 |
| charlie-tca | Mine are installing in about 45 minutes, with my slow connection | 17:13 |
| GridCube | mmm then it migh be something else | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, maybe something is stealing bandwidth. I get between 87 and 150kbs here | 17:16 |
| charlie-tca | You should be able to do the install in 45 minutes, max, at that high speed | 17:17 |
| GridCube | :) installed, that problem whit thunar and first opens remain (today i recived a mail from that bug report saying it was fixed on a new version of thunar) | 18:06 |
| charlie-tca | yes, but we don't get the fixes immediately. It should happen in the next week, though | 18:08 |
| GridCube | yep i figured that much | 18:10 |
| charlie-tca | We might have the thunar fix tomorrow, it was synced today. | 18:10 |
| GridCube | question, setting a wallpaper from firefox does actually work? | 18:13 |
| GridCube | :) ok tests passed | 18:25 |
| GridCube | boot, reboot, update, reboot, language updates, reboot, internets, reboot | 18:25 |
| GridCube | anything else to be tested? | 18:25 |
| charlie-tca | That's good. Thanks for doing it | 18:27 |
| charlie-tca | Did you update the chart? | 18:27 |
| GridCube | :) nope, i was about to | 18:27 |
| charlie-tca | :) | 18:28 |
| GridCube | done | 18:29 |
| Unit193 | Ever find drc? | 18:31 |
| charlie-tca | nope | 18:33 |
| charlie-tca | I hope nothing happened in California or on the way home | 18:34 |
| Unit193 | Last seen : (about 2 weeks ago) | 18:49 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, I know | 18:50 |
| charlie-tca | No response to email, either | 18:50 |
| Unit193 | I got his address and # if you really want to give him a call :P | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | nope | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | If he doesn' t respond to email, I won't call | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | Just one more person that disappeared | 19:22 |
| Unit193 | I think he's 55-59 | 19:24 |
| Unit193 | (I'm still here and I still plan to test when others don't) | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | yup, maybe even 60, and a good tester, too | 19:28 |
| Unit193 | I try my best, but the good ones have more experience than I | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | They don't stay around too long... ;) | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | new and here, experienced and gone, I will take the new everytime | 19:36 |
| Unit193 | I always come back. Normally I find the sheet already has the tests for today | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | It's okay to do them again, or even do different ones | 19:44 |
| charlie-tca | especially if today's have all been done. | 19:44 |
| Unit193 | Thanks for sending the minutes of the meetings, I like to read up, but it's still really nice to have them if I forget anything! | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | It's good for those who miss the meetings too. Sometimes people just can't/won't attend, but want to know what is happening anyway. | 19:55 |
| * charlie-tca slaps head | 19:55 | |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome, Unit193 | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | Happy to be of service | 19:55 |
| GridCube | :D | 19:55 |
| Unit193 | charlie-tca: I can't really make any of the meetings :( | 19:57 |
| charlie-tca | That's okay. You can always bring stuff up here or on the mailing list | 19:57 |
| charlie-tca | I broke it | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe I fixed it | 20:15 |
| Unit193 | How did you bork it? | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | changed a js | 20:17 |
| charlie-tca | changed a shortcut key, it makes most of the letters not work no more | 20:18 |
| * Unit193 is more irssi | 20:18 | |
| Unit193 | I have seen some nice features I would like from weechat, but I'll live... | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | irssi is hard to use ;) | 20:19 |
| charlie-tca | afterall, it is 'Terminal' only | 20:19 |
| Unit193 | Same with weechat... And mine is more GUI than the one pleia2 uses... | 20:25 |
| pleia2 | I use irssi | 20:28 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Sorry for the ping... I know you do, my config just makes it more GUI like :) | 20:29 |
| pleia2 | :) | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | hm, I really want something close to Xchat, that works with dasher | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | weechat is the closest thing I can find, and it is not even close to xchat | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | At least I can make it work, sort of :) | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | knome: why doesn't shimmer have albatross, bluebird, greybird in xfce yet? | 21:01 |
| knome | charlie-tca, you mean xfce-look.org? | 21:38 |
| charlie-tca | Don't quite know. THere was a user in #xfce looking for a dark theme. When I brought up albatross and bluebird, they don't know about them | 21:39 |
| knome | mmh. | 21:40 |
| knome | is that user TCW ? | 21:40 |
| charlie-tca | So I thought "why aren't these default themes in xfwm and appearance? | 21:40 |
| charlie-tca | yes, I told him try #shimmer | 21:40 |
| knome | right, you mean that | 21:40 |
| charlie-tca | They got a ton of themes there, but most don't compare to your themes | 21:41 |
| knome | i don't actually know. i suppose we could undertake a project with the xfce design SIG to clear up the theme and wallpaper catalog | 21:41 |
| knome | yeah. | 21:41 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know how to do it, but it is an idea | 21:42 |
| knome | that's what the xfce design sig is for | 21:42 |
| knome | that reminds me that i should blog about it | 21:42 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 21:43 |
| Unit193 | What's the traffic and topic of #shimmer? (I can guess some of it) | 21:46 |
| GridCube | I don't know a lot about what you are talking about, but i would like to say that i find really anoying how hided and obscure the walpapers folder for xfce is, i've symbolic linked it to a folder into ~/ now | 21:46 |
| knome | the topic of #shimmer is our projects (see http://shimmerproject.org/). we also discuss about some design decisions or proposals for for example greybird | 21:47 |
| knome | of course we are bringing the news about new features or changed stuff here as well, but we're saving you from the artist-artist argumentation ;) | 21:48 |
| knome | feel free to join us, though | 21:48 |
| GridCube | but you do support albatross rigth? will it be one of the choosable themes on the future, or it will only be grey/bluebird | 21:49 |
| Unit193 | I like getting the news, but if I can get it here, I don't really need to join (As I wouldn't have much to add) | 21:49 |
| knome | albatross is already included in xubuntu | 21:49 |
| knome | and it's being supported | 21:49 |
| knome | and we're giving it a facelift this year | 21:50 |
| charlie-tca | I know it is in Xubuntu, but not in the rest of the xfce distros, right? | 21:50 |
| GridCube | :D awesome thats the theme i use, i don't really like shiny themes | 21:50 |
| knome | not many visual changes, but just bringing it to 2011 and making it work well with the current murrine | 21:50 |
| knome | charlie-tca, yup. i'm just working on it ;) | 21:50 |
| charlie-tca | When I look in settings -> Appearance, I get a huge list of themes | 21:50 |
| knome | charlie-tca, yes. | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | heh, I think we are on the same page, just confused again | 21:51 |
| knome | charlie-tca, http://open.knome.fi/2011/06/22/xfce-design-sig-launches/ (going to be aggregated to planet ubuntu) | 21:55 |
| charlie-tca | Good, I tried to publicize it a bit in the meeting, too | 21:57 |
| knome | charlie-tca, added a new item @ https://wiki.xfce.org/design/start, see page bottom | 22:00 |
| charlie-tca | That's the idea! | 22:01 |
| GridCube | :P what about mine? XD linking the walpaper folder to the ~/Images/ folder? | 22:03 |
| knome | GridCube, imo that's not really a xfce design sig item, and probably not an xfce item. | 22:03 |
| GridCube | :( ok | 22:03 |
| knome | ~/Images/ is *buntu*-specific (or if not specific, it's not at least general/obligatory) | 22:04 |
| GridCube | who is it then? xdg? | 22:04 |
| knome | xubuntu, i'd say, pretty much. | 22:04 |
| charlie-tca | I suspect it is distro local, yes | 22:04 |
| Unit193 | ~/Images/wallpaper would be better,,, | 22:05 |
| knome | but imo the wallpapers can't be just everything that is in ~/Images/ either, since for one, i hate people forcing me to have a non-hidden folder in home | 22:05 |
| GridCube | well a ~/backdrops ? having the walpapers folders on /usr/dontknow/dontknoweither/noidea is really anoying | 22:05 |
| knome | as i said, i will vote against any non-hidden directory in home | 22:05 |
| charlie-tca | oh, yeah, I guess it is | 22:05 |
| GridCube | knome, yeah that was my bad, i meanted ~/Images/whatever | 22:05 |
| knome | GridCube, i don't have ~/Images/, so that would still force me to have that | 22:06 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: have you submitted the wishlist bug for that yet? | 22:06 |
| GridCube | no | 22:06 |
| Unit193 | knome: Do you have Pictures? | 22:06 |
| GridCube | just comenting that up | 22:06 |
| knome | maybe something like a symlink from .config/xfce-wallpapers to the wallpapers directory... | 22:06 |
| charlie-tca | talk will not usually result in much action. | 22:06 |
| knome | Unit193, nope, in my ~, i only have Desktop, and then just some temporary/current files (so nothing permanent except Desktop) | 22:07 |
| Unit193 | I like the idea of ~/.config/something | 22:07 |
| Unit193 | knome: Comes by default for me :/ | 22:08 |
| knome | Unit193, i know, but you are able to remove those | 22:08 |
| knome | Unit193, if the wallpaper directory is there, it's not wise to do that | 22:08 |
| astraljava | knome: I'm dumb, so out of curiosity, where do you keep your personal files? (sorry, completely OT) | 22:13 |
| knome | astraljava, /data/knome/ | 22:13 |
| astraljava | Ok. | 22:13 |
| knome | astraljava, which is a completely different HD | 22:13 |
| GridCube | well, a ~/config/wallpapers folder then, it will really simplify things up | 22:13 |
| GridCube | .c^ | 22:13 |
| knome | GridCube, mmh. mr_pouit might have a better idea, but something like that might work | 22:14 |
| charlie-tca | submit it as a wishlist bug, give several ideas on how to resolve it. | 22:14 |
| GridCube | charlie-tca, how to start a wishlist bug? | 22:14 |
| GridCube | D: i can't find a "submit" link anywhere | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | open terminal, type ubuntu-bug xubuntu-meta, it opens a bug report in firefox, then give it a title, put your ideas in the next block, scroll to the bottom and hit save/submit/enter/whatever the thing is | 22:27 |
| GridCube | >the package xubuntu-meta doesnt exist | 22:29 |
| GridCube | :( | 22:30 |
| charlie-tca | well! | 22:30 |
| GridCube | frell? | 22:30 |
| charlie-tca | does xubuntu-default-settings exist? | 22:30 |
| GridCube | nope, nothing whit xu excep xulrunner | 22:30 |
| charlie-tca | where are you looking? | 22:31 |
| GridCube | bash and 2 tabs? | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | no | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | type it. ubuntu-bug xubuntu-meta | 22:31 |
| GridCube | i did... | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | It is not an application, but a source package. bash won't know about it | 22:31 |
| GridCube | http://imagebin.org/159548 | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | instead of xubuntu-meta, use ubuntu-bug xubuntu-default-settings | 22:33 |
| GridCube | default-settings do work :D | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | it does exist | 22:33 |
| GridCube | :) thanks charlie-tca , sorry for bothering so much | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | np | 22:34 |
| charlie-tca | At least we got it, right? | 22:34 |
| GridCube | :D yes | 22:34 |
| GridCube | should i add up there the fact that firefox "use this image as a wallpaper" do not work on xubuntu? | 22:37 |
| charlie-tca | That should be a separate bug, shouldn't it? I did not know firefox can use the wallpaper, even | 22:38 |
| charlie-tca | but, yeah, throw that into the bug report. If it works for Ubuntu, say that, too. | 22:38 |
| charlie-tca | and steps to do that, will help | 22:38 |
| GridCube | i don't know if it works on ubuntu | 22:42 |
| charlie-tca | Tell us how to make it happen, if you can | 22:43 |
| GridCube | oh... i just figured something... the folder is outside ~/ because of multiple users | 22:58 |
| GridCube | if the folder is in ~/.config/backdrops then another user wont be able to see those wallpapers | 22:59 |
| GridCube | even if symlinked? | 22:59 |
| charlie-tca | right, only the logged in user sees ~/.config | 23:02 |
| charlie-tca | so each user would need the links or files | 23:03 |
| knome | charlie-tca, errm, no? | 23:03 |
| GridCube | yes, im considering that on my whislist message | 23:03 |
| knome | charlie-tca, if the directory is linked, everybody will see the (updated) content | 23:03 |
| knome | as long as it is not single files | 23:04 |
| charlie-tca | We used to link to /usr/share/Example_Content in ~/Example_Content. maybe something similar would work? | 23:04 |
| knome | charlie-tca, exactly, but in ~/.hidden :) | 23:04 |
| charlie-tca | knome: no one except the user can see ~/ | 23:04 |
| charlie-tca | that is each users /home, not a public directory | 23:04 |
| charlie-tca | /usr/share/??? is public, and all users have access | 23:05 |
| knome | charlie-tca, yes... but if that's symlinked to /usr/share.. | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | Then it has to be done for each user | 23:05 |
| knome | yes | 23:05 |
| knome | as /Example_Content | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | right, only the logged in user sees ~/.config] | 23:06 |
| charlie-tca | is correct | 23:06 |
| knome | yes, but if that is symlinked to /usr, what's the problem? | 23:09 |
| Unit193 | permissions? | 23:09 |
| charlie-tca | I didn't say there was one. You told me I was wrong | 23:10 |
| knome | the permissions are the same as they are in /usr | 23:10 |
| knome | charlie-tca, okay :P i was assumed you thought there was a problem :P | 23:11 |
| GridCube | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/800918 | 23:13 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 800918 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Some wallpaper/backdrops ideas" [Undecided,New] | 23:13 |
| GridCube | i don't know how to assing it "wishlist" status | 23:14 |
| charlie-tca | I will do that | 23:14 |
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