[03:47] micahg: I'm really not sure if it counts, but I just crashed FF using downloadhelper [03:47] Unit193: cool, can you report the crash to mozilla [03:48] Unit193: I actually had Firefox 5 pushed out already, but thanks [03:48] we can still get stuff fixed though [03:48] Firefox 6 is 8 weeks away :) [03:49] Looks like I'm a bit behind... [03:49] Sorry about that :P [03:50] Unit193: no problem, there were only a few who answered my call for testing [03:50] Unit193: like I said, we can still get stuff fixed [03:51] there are still plenty of bugs in Firefox :) I just wanted to catch regressions [03:52] micahg: Once I download this, I'll see if I can do it again [06:04] charlie-tca: Damnit! I never realized that! However, the login screen should give some pointers for that, I think. It isn't obvious as it is, hell, it isn't intuitive in the least bit at the moment. [06:04] charlie-tca: There's just my name (as full name for my user), then Other... [06:04] The session selection comes only after clicking on the Other... [06:05] But yeah, thanks for the pointer! [12:57] That's the kind of things we "testers" have to be looking for. How else do we if things are usable broken or unusable broken? [12:58] astraljava: ^ ^ [13:18] mr_pouit: will the umask change affect us at all? [13:18] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/umask-to-0002 [13:35] charlie-tca: Yep. :) [14:08] we got the xubuntu slideshow back [14:19] yes, it will affect all variants [14:20] Maybe not the right question. Will it create any additional work for us or can we just let it happen? [14:20] no, just let it happen [14:20] Thanks [14:20] That's the answer I hoped for [15:39] mr_pouit: thanks for subscribing me to the artwork-bugs [15:40] mr_pouit: i think i'd rather drop the dropbox icons than fix them in elementaryXubuntu, i don't even wanna start supporting 3rd party stuff, it's a never ending story... [16:00] ochosi: I see one or two pixels to the right of the scrollbar in most windows that is not usable. If I click within that space, nothing happens. [16:00] Also, sometimes in firefox, the scrollbars disappear [16:00] (oneiric with latest greybird from git [16:03] charlie-tca: hm, can't confirm the firefox issue in natty, maybe an oneiric specific problem? [16:03] could be [16:03] think with the scrollbar it's only 1px border [16:03] might not even be firefox, of course. Maybe something with the latest Xorg or who knows yet [16:04] not sure it's worth the sacrifice of general looks for firefox's fullscreen behavior... [16:04] mhm [16:04] Never used fullscreen [16:04] sry, meant maximized [16:04] but in fact i rarely use maximized either ;) [16:05] me too [16:05] I run almost everything in smaller windows, since I keep dasher on the right, and it needs some space without being on top of applications [16:06] The white space right of scrollbar is okay if we can't change it. [16:06] The firefox thing, I don't know yet. I haven't pinned it down far enough yet [16:06] Just thought I would give you a heads up on it [16:19] charlie-tca: k, thanks! [16:21] no problem, I hope I didn't upset you with it. I just intended to let you know, and see if you knew about it yet [16:23] hehe, no, no problem [16:23] i'm not *that* sensitive ;) [16:23] just wanted to prevent people from screaming: "what did you do with the old theme?!" ;) [16:24] what did you do to it? [16:24] :P [16:25] hehe [16:25] you don't want to know ;) [16:25] in fact i just made a new iteration of it, since you're asking: http://imagebin.org/159501 [16:25] :P [16:25] charlie-tca: i think this is by far the best scrollbar we had so far ^ [16:25] :) thats nice, im more fond of dark themes tho [16:26] yeah, maybe we'll do a dark theme one day [16:26] i always thought of tweaking/modernizing NOX [16:26] thats why i use albatross :D [16:27] yeah, i might fix a few things there for the upcoming release [16:27] but it's getting increasingly difficult to manage everything [16:27] 3 themes (albatross, bluebird, greybird) and all would need some attention [16:27] It is understable [16:27] especially gtk3 variants... [16:27] oh, that sounds messy [16:28] well i could use some help with all of that [16:28] but seems i'll be alone for another cycle :) [16:28] :( i don't know any programing at all [16:28] it's not really so much programming [16:28] but yes, you should no a few things about gtk and about the engines you're using [16:28] it's mostly about being creative [16:29] :P maybe in a few months i will be able to do that kind of things, maybe if i start doing simple things now? [16:30] you can always start out easy by modifying existing themes [16:30] :P [16:30] im afraid of broking things [16:31] heh [16:31] it's not really that dangerous [16:31] breaking? men i need to know that word [16:32] :) [16:32] gotta go, catch you later [16:32] := [16:32] :) [17:04] GridCube: images are working today, except live desktop [17:05] hoping the scrollbar doesn't go blending into the theme completely again [17:06] :) im doing the alternate test since like an hour ago, it really takes lot of time, this time i disconected the internet from the vbox, else it would be like 5 hours installing like yesterdays [17:07] will do the updates once the system is installed, i don't understand why this isn't always the case [17:09] You must be on that slow connection again [17:09] The updates are downloading automatically by mistake, which is why as soon as the install is done, you get the update-manager icon on the login [17:10] The only way to keep them from downloading during the installation (and slowing it down) is by disconnecting the internet completely [17:11] thats what i did [17:12] and im toping at 320kBs so i don't think is my conection, but it might be [17:13] Mine are installing in about 45 minutes, with my slow connection [17:16] mmm then it migh be something else [17:16] yeah, maybe something is stealing bandwidth. I get between 87 and 150kbs here [17:17] You should be able to do the install in 45 minutes, max, at that high speed [18:06] :) installed, that problem whit thunar and first opens remain (today i recived a mail from that bug report saying it was fixed on a new version of thunar) [18:08] yes, but we don't get the fixes immediately. It should happen in the next week, though [18:10] yep i figured that much [18:10] We might have the thunar fix tomorrow, it was synced today. [18:13] question, setting a wallpaper from firefox does actually work? [18:25] :) ok tests passed [18:25] boot, reboot, update, reboot, language updates, reboot, internets, reboot [18:25] anything else to be tested? [18:27] That's good. Thanks for doing it [18:27] Did you update the chart? [18:27] :) nope, i was about to [18:28] :) [18:29] done [18:31] Ever find drc? [18:33] nope [18:34] I hope nothing happened in California or on the way home [18:49] Last seen : (about 2 weeks ago) [18:50] yeah, I know [18:50] No response to email, either [19:19] I got his address and # if you really want to give him a call :P [19:21] nope [19:22] If he doesn' t respond to email, I won't call [19:22] Just one more person that disappeared [19:24] I think he's 55-59 [19:25] (I'm still here and I still plan to test when others don't) [19:28] yup, maybe even 60, and a good tester, too [19:30] I try my best, but the good ones have more experience than I [19:35] They don't stay around too long... ;) [19:36] new and here, experienced and gone, I will take the new everytime [19:40] I always come back. Normally I find the sheet already has the tests for today [19:44] It's okay to do them again, or even do different ones [19:44] especially if today's have all been done. [19:51] Thanks for sending the minutes of the meetings, I like to read up, but it's still really nice to have them if I forget anything! [19:55] It's good for those who miss the meetings too. Sometimes people just can't/won't attend, but want to know what is happening anyway. [19:55] * charlie-tca slaps head [19:55] You are welcome, Unit193 [19:55] Happy to be of service [19:55] :D [19:57] charlie-tca: I can't really make any of the meetings :( [19:57] That's okay. You can always bring stuff up here or on the mailing list [20:08] I broke it [20:15] Maybe I fixed it [20:16] How did you bork it? [20:17] changed a js [20:18] changed a shortcut key, it makes most of the letters not work no more [20:18] * Unit193 is more irssi [20:18] I have seen some nice features I would like from weechat, but I'll live... [20:19] irssi is hard to use ;) [20:19] afterall, it is 'Terminal' only [20:25] Same with weechat... And mine is more GUI than the one pleia2 uses... [20:28] I use irssi [20:29] pleia2: Sorry for the ping... I know you do, my config just makes it more GUI like :) [20:30] :) [20:30] hm, I really want something close to Xchat, that works with dasher [20:31] weechat is the closest thing I can find, and it is not even close to xchat [20:31] At least I can make it work, sort of :) [21:01] knome: why doesn't shimmer have albatross, bluebird, greybird in xfce yet? [21:38] charlie-tca, you mean xfce-look.org? [21:39] Don't quite know. THere was a user in #xfce looking for a dark theme. When I brought up albatross and bluebird, they don't know about them [21:40] mmh. [21:40] is that user TCW ? [21:40] So I thought "why aren't these default themes in xfwm and appearance? [21:40] yes, I told him try #shimmer [21:40] right, you mean that [21:41] They got a ton of themes there, but most don't compare to your themes [21:41] i don't actually know. i suppose we could undertake a project with the xfce design SIG to clear up the theme and wallpaper catalog [21:41] yeah. [21:42] I don't know how to do it, but it is an idea [21:42] that's what the xfce design sig is for [21:42] that reminds me that i should blog about it [21:43] yup [21:46] What's the traffic and topic of #shimmer? (I can guess some of it) [21:46] I don't know a lot about what you are talking about, but i would like to say that i find really anoying how hided and obscure the walpapers folder for xfce is, i've symbolic linked it to a folder into ~/ now [21:47] the topic of #shimmer is our projects (see http://shimmerproject.org/). we also discuss about some design decisions or proposals for for example greybird [21:48] of course we are bringing the news about new features or changed stuff here as well, but we're saving you from the artist-artist argumentation ;) [21:48] feel free to join us, though [21:49] but you do support albatross rigth? will it be one of the choosable themes on the future, or it will only be grey/bluebird [21:49] I like getting the news, but if I can get it here, I don't really need to join (As I wouldn't have much to add) [21:49] albatross is already included in xubuntu [21:49] and it's being supported [21:50] and we're giving it a facelift this year [21:50] I know it is in Xubuntu, but not in the rest of the xfce distros, right? [21:50] :D awesome thats the theme i use, i don't really like shiny themes [21:50] not many visual changes, but just bringing it to 2011 and making it work well with the current murrine [21:50] charlie-tca, yup. i'm just working on it ;) [21:50] When I look in settings -> Appearance, I get a huge list of themes [21:51] charlie-tca, yes. [21:51] heh, I think we are on the same page, just confused again [21:55] charlie-tca, http://open.knome.fi/2011/06/22/xfce-design-sig-launches/ (going to be aggregated to planet ubuntu) [21:57] Good, I tried to publicize it a bit in the meeting, too [22:00] charlie-tca, added a new item @ https://wiki.xfce.org/design/start, see page bottom [22:01] That's the idea! [22:03] :P what about mine? XD linking the walpaper folder to the ~/Images/ folder? [22:03] GridCube, imo that's not really a xfce design sig item, and probably not an xfce item. [22:03] :( ok [22:04] ~/Images/ is *buntu*-specific (or if not specific, it's not at least general/obligatory) [22:04] who is it then? xdg? [22:04] xubuntu, i'd say, pretty much. [22:04] I suspect it is distro local, yes [22:05] ~/Images/wallpaper would be better,,, [22:05] but imo the wallpapers can't be just everything that is in ~/Images/ either, since for one, i hate people forcing me to have a non-hidden folder in home [22:05] well a ~/backdrops ? having the walpapers folders on /usr/dontknow/dontknoweither/noidea is really anoying [22:05] as i said, i will vote against any non-hidden directory in home [22:05] oh, yeah, I guess it is [22:05] knome, yeah that was my bad, i meanted ~/Images/whatever [22:06] GridCube, i don't have ~/Images/, so that would still force me to have that [22:06] GridCube: have you submitted the wishlist bug for that yet? [22:06] no [22:06] knome: Do you have Pictures? [22:06] just comenting that up [22:06] maybe something like a symlink from .config/xfce-wallpapers to the wallpapers directory... [22:06] talk will not usually result in much action. [22:07] Unit193, nope, in my ~, i only have Desktop, and then just some temporary/current files (so nothing permanent except Desktop) [22:07] I like the idea of ~/.config/something [22:08] knome: Comes by default for me :/ [22:08] Unit193, i know, but you are able to remove those [22:08] Unit193, if the wallpaper directory is there, it's not wise to do that [22:13] knome: I'm dumb, so out of curiosity, where do you keep your personal files? (sorry, completely OT) [22:13] astraljava, /data/knome/ [22:13] Ok. [22:13] astraljava, which is a completely different HD [22:13] well, a ~/config/wallpapers folder then, it will really simplify things up [22:13] .c^ [22:14] GridCube, mmh. mr_pouit might have a better idea, but something like that might work [22:14] submit it as a wishlist bug, give several ideas on how to resolve it. [22:14] charlie-tca, how to start a wishlist bug? [22:23] D: i can't find a "submit" link anywhere [22:27] open terminal, type ubuntu-bug xubuntu-meta, it opens a bug report in firefox, then give it a title, put your ideas in the next block, scroll to the bottom and hit save/submit/enter/whatever the thing is [22:29] >the package xubuntu-meta doesnt exist [22:30] :( [22:30] well! [22:30] frell? [22:30] does xubuntu-default-settings exist? [22:30] nope, nothing whit xu excep xulrunner [22:31] where are you looking? [22:31] bash and 2 tabs? [22:31] no [22:31] type it. ubuntu-bug xubuntu-meta [22:31] i did... [22:31] It is not an application, but a source package. bash won't know about it [22:32] http://imagebin.org/159548 [22:33] instead of xubuntu-meta, use ubuntu-bug xubuntu-default-settings [22:33] default-settings do work :D [22:33] it does exist [22:34] :) thanks charlie-tca , sorry for bothering so much [22:34] np [22:34] At least we got it, right? [22:34] :D yes [22:37] should i add up there the fact that firefox "use this image as a wallpaper" do not work on xubuntu? [22:38] That should be a separate bug, shouldn't it? I did not know firefox can use the wallpaper, even [22:38] but, yeah, throw that into the bug report. If it works for Ubuntu, say that, too. [22:38] and steps to do that, will help [22:42] i don't know if it works on ubuntu [22:43] Tell us how to make it happen, if you can [22:58] oh... i just figured something... the folder is outside ~/ because of multiple users [22:59] if the folder is in ~/.config/backdrops then another user wont be able to see those wallpapers [22:59] even if symlinked? [23:02] right, only the logged in user sees ~/.config [23:03] so each user would need the links or files [23:03] charlie-tca, errm, no? [23:03] yes, im considering that on my whislist message [23:03] charlie-tca, if the directory is linked, everybody will see the (updated) content [23:04] as long as it is not single files [23:04] We used to link to /usr/share/Example_Content in ~/Example_Content. maybe something similar would work? [23:04] charlie-tca, exactly, but in ~/.hidden :) [23:04] knome: no one except the user can see ~/ [23:04] that is each users /home, not a public directory [23:05] /usr/share/??? is public, and all users have access [23:05] charlie-tca, yes... but if that's symlinked to /usr/share.. [23:05] Then it has to be done for each user [23:05] yes [23:05] as /Example_Content [23:06] right, only the logged in user sees ~/.config] [23:06] is correct [23:09] yes, but if that is symlinked to /usr, what's the problem? [23:09] permissions? [23:10] I didn't say there was one. You told me I was wrong [23:10] the permissions are the same as they are in /usr [23:11] charlie-tca, okay :P i was assumed you thought there was a problem :P [23:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/800918 [23:13] Ubuntu bug 800918 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Some wallpaper/backdrops ideas" [Undecided,New] [23:14] i don't know how to assing it "wishlist" status [23:14] I will do that