[13:14] <gary_poster> hey danilo, is it ok to assign bug 775691 to yellow, or did you not do that for a reason I should also consider?
[13:14] <_mup_> Bug #775691: Empty translations on one side do not get translated by the other side <escalated> <not-pie-critical> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/775691 >
[13:14] <danilos> gary_poster, no particular reason, we can do it
[13:15] <gary_poster> ok thanks danilos
[13:22] <gary_poster> danilos, also do I understand correctly that that bug should be tagged "regression"?
[13:23] <danilos> gary_poster, hard to tell, I am pretty convinced this used to work, but since it could have worked only in the timeframe after January 15th or so, it's very limited grounds
[13:23] <danilos> gary_poster, also, I wouldn't put my money on "pretty convinced"
[13:23] <gary_poster> danilos, lol, ok
[13:23] <danilos> gary_poster, or well, 5 bucks I would, not more than that :)
[13:23] <gary_poster> heh
[13:27] <danilos> gary_poster, btw, responded to your email as well
[13:27] <gary_poster> cool, will look
[13:29] <benji> gary_poster: I have an HVAC guy who says he's coming at 8:30 so I may disappear for a few moments (assuming that any HVAC guy has ever showed up on time in the history of the universe).
[13:29] <gary_poster> :-) ok benji
[13:29] <gary_poster> oh and on that note
[13:29] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb call in 1-ish
[13:30] <bac> ok
[13:45] <danilos> gmb, https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-798521/+merge/65297 and I highlighted these few methods in my first reply (load_referencing/load_related)
[13:45] <gmb> danilos: Brilliant, thanks.
[13:51] <benji> grr, there's some key combination that I occasionally press that shifts all may workspaces "down" one row; for the life of me I can't figure out how to undo it
[14:03] <benji> danilos: is bug 775691 the one I should work on?
[14:03] <_mup_> Bug #775691: Empty translations on one side do not get translated by the other side <escalated> <not-pie-critical> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/775691 >
[14:04] <danilos> benji, bug 734765 is a better candidate for now
[14:04] <_mup_> Bug #734765: Show linked upstream projects to the translatable templates in the +templates page <escalated> <not-pie-critical> <upstream-translations-sharing> <Launchpad itself:Triaged by yellow> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/734765 >
[14:04] <benji> k
[14:12] <benji> danilos: so after reading the bug and your (very nice) writeup, this is my understanding: they wantthe "Linked upstream series" widget from a page like https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-session/+sharing-details to be included as a colum on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+templates
[14:14] <benji> also, bug 704585 seems like it would be of interest if we want to fix the "we have to build URLs by hand to be fast enough to render the page" problem
[14:14] <_mup_> Bug #704585: canonical_url performs poorly <timeout> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/704585 >
[14:25] <gary_poster> gmb, may be a hair late for call; will ping
[14:26] <gmb> gary_poster: Okay. I need to leave no later than 14:55 for an appointment, so if we're going to overrun that, maybe it would be better to reschedule.
[14:32] <gmb> gary_poster: Sorry, 14:55 is of course 13:55 UTC
[14:36] <benji> danilos: does my above summary sound right?
[14:43]  * benji deals with the HVAC guy.
[14:48] <danilos> benji, sorry, got stuck in the middle of things
[14:48] <danilos> benji, so, generally, I'd start with only including the template name, like in dpm's mockup he attached to the bug a few hours ago
[14:49] <danilos> benji, I am not sure how trivial it is to transfer the stuff from +sharing-details, since that's for an entire SourcePackage, and one SourcePackage can have multiple templates
[14:50] <danilos> benji, also, gnome-session was probably a bad example (I couldn't find one with actual sharing templates), try https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/synaptic/+sharing-details
[14:59]  * danilos grabs some food, should be back soon
[15:02] <benji> hmm, my (percieved) level of understanding of this bug just decreased
[15:02] <gary_poster> heh
[15:06] <benji> danilos: (when you get back) I don't understand "I'd start with only including the template name".  When I look at +templates (https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+templates) I already see template names.
[15:26] <danilos> benji, right, but these templates might be "linked" with templates in different product series
[15:27] <danilos> benji, it'd be nice to list those "linked templates" if there are any
[15:28] <danilos> benji, that's the core issue in the bug, imnsho, but let's have a call if you want when gary and I finish our call
[15:28] <benji> so there are templates there now (how are they associated with the source package?) and there are other templates that are linked (to a productseries?) that we also want to list, right?
[15:28] <benji> sounds good
[15:30] <danilos> benji, yeah, potemplate objects can be in a source package (identified by distroseries, sourcepackagename fields on the table) or in a product series ("productseries" column on the table); two templates where one is on a sourcepackage, other on productseries might be linked implicitely through the "packaging" table link (which has productseries, distroseries and sourcepackagename columns)
[15:51] <danilos> benji, ok, I am ready when you are :)
[15:51] <benji> danilos: calling you now
[15:53] <danilos> benji, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/synaptic/+sharing-details
[15:59] <danilos> benji, http://translations.launchpad.net/synaptic/main/+templates
[16:00] <gary_poster> ..chr...
[16:02] <benji> danilos: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+templates/gno/
[16:04] <bac> gary_poster: hey, i've bumped into a permissions problem i'd like to bend your ear on
[16:05] <gary_poster> bac, ok
[16:11] <danilos> benji, https://launchpad.net/synaptic
[16:18] <danilos> benji, https://translations.launchpad.dev/ubuntu/hoary/+templates
[16:18] <danilos> show links to templates from https://translations.launchpad.dev/evolution/trunk/+templates
[16:20] <danilos> benji, https://translations.launchpad.dev/ubuntu/hoary/+source/evolution/+sharing-details
[16:21] <danilos> benji, "translations.sharing_information.enabled	default	1	on"
[16:23] <gary_poster> bac, assigned you commercial/Canonical internal https://support.one.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=2802
[16:24] <bac> gary_poster: yep, i've got to buy some new vouchers first
[16:25] <gary_poster> bac, not sure what you mean, but it's not a problem, yeah?
[16:25] <bac> gary_poster: no, not a problem.  my account has not commercial vouchers atm.  i must go get some from the canonical shop before i can do what brian requested
[16:26] <bac> no big deal, just me providing TMI
[16:26] <gary_poster> cool (I assume it is free for you)
[16:26] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:26] <bac> gary_poster: hurrah, i'm getting a 401 now!
[16:28] <gary_poster> bac, /me has now lost enough context to know if that really is good, or is sarcasm :-P  /me is also not sure where the 401 is coming from exactly--the webservice branch?
[16:28] <bac> no, that is good
[16:28] <gary_poster> cool
[16:29] <bac> no-priv trying to change mark's archive is now slapped with a 401
[16:29] <gary_poster> OIC
[16:29] <gary_poster> yay!
[16:29]  * benji wonders how sarcasm could ever not be good.
[16:30] <benji> ok, more dealing with the HVAC guy now
[16:32] <danilos> ok, /me is off, tty tomorrow
[16:32] <gary_poster> ttyl
[16:32] <danilos> benji, good luck with the HVAC guy and translations later :)
[17:12]  * gary_poster did CHR diligently, but did not get to project review
[17:12] <gary_poster> or registry tasks, but they usually are negligible  IME
[17:16]  * bac sends off branch to review.  lunches.
[19:31] <gary_poster> hey bac, ready?
[19:31] <bac> gary_poster: yes
[19:46] <bac> https://dev.launchpad.net/API/ImplementingAPIs
[21:00] <gary_poster> hey benji, tell me when you are ready
[21:01] <benji> gary_poster: calling you now
[21:01] <gary_poster> cool
[21:05] <benji> gary_poster: https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/Sprints/Thunderdome2011/Agenda#preview
[21:14] <bac> fancy new LP project "black.hole" -- Black Hole is a program that calculates prime and perfect numbers.
[21:14] <bac> sounds like something i did in FORTRAN about a zillion years ago