[00:18] <rabc> thanks unit193 that worked
[00:19] <Unit193> rabc: Glad I could help! Starting the core or the version check?
[00:20] <rabc> dont know if core or not tho
[00:20] <rabc> rabc@rabc-OptiPlex-GX280:~$ lsb_release -a
[00:20] <rabc> No LSB modules are available.
[00:20] <rabc> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[00:20] <rabc> Description:	Ubuntu 11.04
[00:20] <rabc> Release:	11.04
[00:20] <rabc> Codename:	natty
[00:22] <rabc> gonna try reboot with iso again and check that its 100% https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CheckISO_CD
[00:22] <Unit193> If you just installed (NO program changes), you should be able to run dpkg -l |grep lubuntu-desktop
[00:23] <rabc> yea thanks but i wanted to reformat to ext4 and reinstall a clean lubuntu due to corrupt dual boot xubuntu
[00:23] <rabc> dont know if the iso has reformat option
[00:24] <rabc> maybe the iso is corrupt that why https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CheckISO_CD
[00:24] <Unit193> You can "Use Entire Disk"
[00:24] <Unit193> You're bioterror, you know everything! :P
[00:25] <bioterror> what
[00:25] <rabc> it just takes me to command promt with iso thought would be gui and refomat option
[00:26] <rabc> i love the lubuntu ive installed now its the best of all ive tried over the last year and half with machine so gonna stick with it and try and get clean install
[00:27] <Unit193> rabc: If you're feeling the initiative, you can do a mini install :)
[00:28] <rabc> is that ubuntu minimal iso then lxde?
[00:29] <Unit193> !mini
[00:29] <ubot5> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[00:29] <Unit193> Then you would install lubuntu-desktop
[00:31] <rabc> thanks unit193 ill check out if theres reformat option with the minimal cd but i love to try everything, loveto learn thanks thank
[00:32] <rabc> !Alternate CD
[00:32] <ubot5> The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal
[00:34] <Unit193> rabc: IIRC, there is no AltCD for Lubuntu 11.04
[00:34] <Unit193> rabc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[00:41] <rabc> k thanks
[00:46] <rabc> ah thanks unit123 sounds like the 11.04 32 Bit from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall is the one for me but wonder will it give me option for reformat
[00:48] <rabc> one way to find out ;)
[00:57] <Unit193> Just select "Use Entire Disk" (And Command-line Install while you're at it)
[01:29] <linuxman410> have they decided light gm or lxde for lubuntu 11.10
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[02:57] <Phosphenes> Does lubuntu 11.04 have python2 installed by default?
[02:58] <rabc> back again sry i got the minimal iso booted and it went to the end but when final reboot ended up with a blank screen, wondering where i went wrong im now using another pc and trying again im at the [! software selection] bit and wondering what options do i need if any to avoid the black screen at the end
[02:59] <Phosphenes> Nevermind, it does
[03:03] <rabc> there is options for ubuntu/mythubuntu/kubuntu and edubuntu desktop but none for lubuntu should i just continue or have i used the wrong or corrupt mini.iso
[03:04] <Phosphenes> Lubuntu isn't listed in mayn things yet because it only recently became an official ubuntu ditribution (May I think).
[03:05] <Phosphenes> You can install ubuntu here and then install the lubuntu desktop through the console afterwards
[03:07] <rabc> k thanks ive continued it, so if it works this time after reboot and no black screen  i go to terminal and do "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"
[03:09] <Unit193> rabc: At that black screen, hit CTRL+ALT+F1 and type sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[03:10] <Phosphenes> Might be CTRL+ALT+F2 instead. That's what it is on my computer. Try both.
[03:10] <Unit193> Forgot about that...
[03:10] <rabc> \o/ thanks so much unit193 + phosphenes so there is hope for me yet
[03:16] <rabc> final rebboot done i hit CTRL+ALT+F2 took me to a blue screen (was expecting terminal) should i CTRL ALT DEL and try again
[03:19] <rabc> i left the mini.iso cd in and its back to the first screen with install command line install etc can i go to command line install and try the sudo command then
[03:20] <rabc> or take cd out reboot andCTRL ALT F2 or does it matter
[03:21] <Phosphenes> If its installed take the cd out
[03:24] <rabc> at command promt after login so must be ok: which one is best: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop OR sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
[03:24] <rabc> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
[03:25] <rabc> think theres a mistake in that section its confusing to me anyways
[03:26] <Phosphenes> uh, I'd just use sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <rabc> k thanks phosphenes
[03:26] <Phosphenes> Or use the link bioterror gave earlier
[03:26] <Phosphenes> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde
[03:26] <Phosphenes> And remove all the base ubuntu stuff when you're doing it
[03:27] <Phosphenes> First code on there
[03:27] <rabc> u mean the sudo apt-get remove acpi-support acpid adium-theme-ubuntu ,,,,,,,,, command
[03:28] <rabc> does it matter which one is first
[03:29] <Phosphenes> Copy and paste the entire line on that page
[03:29] <Phosphenes> into the console
[03:31] <rabc> yea thx but do that after sudo apt get install lubuntu..... or before
[03:31] <Phosphenes> It includes that on the end of the code, so you don't need anything else
[03:31] <Phosphenes> After that do a sudo apt-get dit-upgrade
[03:31] <Phosphenes> dist-upgrade*
[03:33] <rabc> thx phosphenes aah so u only need the command link from http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde and no need for sudo apt get install lubuntu
[03:34] <Unit193> --no-install-recommends was the correct answer
[03:34] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends is the easy way to do it
[03:35] <Phosphenes> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop is on the end of the code from that link. But I'd do whatever Unit193 says because he's probably more experienced than I am
[03:35] <rabc> yea thanks unit193 phosphenes ii cant copy the whole command from that http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde link into my other machine
[03:35] <rabc> anyways
[03:36] <Unit193> If this is a mini install, you shouldn't need it >_>
[03:36] <Phosphenes> oh lol
[03:36] <rabc> no worries im learning fast here and really grateful for the help
[03:36] <rabc> so its sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
[03:39] <Phosphenes> rabc, that should work
[03:40] <Phosphenes> Actually, other way around sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[03:42] <rabc> shit too late i put in "sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop" copyied it exactly from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
[03:42] <Unit193> That's fine then
[03:42] <rabc> pheew
[03:43] <Unit193> Both will work
[03:44] <rabc> u guys/gals have some patience dealing with noobs like me ive been at this for about the last 15 hours
[03:45] <MK``> haha it doesn't matter
[03:46] <MK``> parameter order like that is fine
[04:06] <rabc> k thx everything is done but done back at command promt should i reboot or is there another command to use
[04:06] <diytto> Hai
[04:07] <diytto> Im playing a video in vlc but randomly my processor usage jumps up to max and I can't do anything
[04:07] <rabc> "every is done but now back at command"
[04:08] <diytto> Should I use a different player?
[04:08] <rabc> gonna try a reboot
[04:09] <Unit193> rabc: Yep, that's what you do!
[04:09] <rabc> thanks god already done it
[04:10] <Phosphenes> For future reference, you can do ctrl alt f7 to get out of the console
[04:10] <Unit193> diytto: Watch a video and have (h)top running to make sure it's VLC that spikes
[04:10] <rabc> thx
[04:10] <diytto> Unit193: Can i get it from synaptic?
[04:10] <diytto> I cant do anything atm
[04:11] <diytto> Its frozen completely
[04:11] <diytto> ._.
[04:11] <Unit193> diytto: htop you can, top is already installed (They are terminal programs)
[04:11] <diytto> Oh ok
[04:11] <diytto> Hold on
[04:11] <diytto> :p
[04:12] <diytto> Unit193: Will it keep a log?
[04:12] <Unit193> Nope
[04:12] <diytto> Well ok
[04:12] <diytto> Ill try it
[04:14] <rabc> \o/ yea im in lubunu thx soooo much unit123 phosphenes
[04:15] <Phosphenes> No problem, I just started with it recently too so I know your pain.
[04:15] <rabc> for all the help ill make a donation when i get a few pounds together any link to donate pls
[04:17] <Unit193> rabc: I actually don't know where to point you on that one...
[04:18] <Phosphenes> I don't think lubuntu specifically takes donations, but you could donate to ubuntu
[04:18] <Phosphenes> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate
[04:18] <Phosphenes> Or linux
[04:18] <Phosphenes> http://www.linuxfund.org/donate/
[04:18] <diytto> Linux :)
[04:18] <Unit193> I'm sure LXDE has one too
[04:19] <diytto> Is there a way for lubuntu to use my swap partition?
[04:19] <diytto> I have 2GB allocated for that
[04:19] <Phosphenes> Wrong link for the linux donation, I think this ones right
[04:19] <Phosphenes> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/participate/linux-donate
[04:19] <rabc> yea thanks will do ill will prob hang around and maybe learn some things from time to time here also thanks again bye o/
[04:21] <diytto> I guess the better question is how can i get lubuntu to use my swap partition :p
[04:22] <diytto> Unit193, Phosphenes ^ :s
[04:23] <Phosphenes> Sorry, I'm not good with partitioning
[04:23] <diytto> Oh
[04:23] <diytto> :(
[04:23] <Phosphenes> Are you installing from scratch?
[04:23] <diytto> No
[04:23] <Phosphenes> oh
[04:24] <diytto> I partitioned it on install though
[04:24] <diytto> I already have the partition
[04:24] <Phosphenes> As long as there is a swap partition it should use it
[04:24] <Unit193> diytto: Terminal command sudo blkid
[04:25] <diytto> Unit193: What now?
[04:26] <Unit193> Open a terminal and type    sudo blkid    to see if it will "see" the swap
[04:26] <diytto> It does
[04:28] <diytto> Unit193: It sees it. Does that mean it is using it?
[04:28] <jmarsden> diytto: What does swapon -s     say >
[04:29] <diytto> jmarsden: /dev/sda2 partition 2445308 0 -1
[04:29] <jmarsden> Then yes, it is using it.
[04:29] <diytto> Okay cool :)
[04:33] <diytto> Unit193: Oh sure, now that i run htop it works
[04:33] <diytto> :/
[04:34] <Unit193> I fixed your problem :D
[04:35] <diytto> Lol
[04:35] <diytto> Maybe
[04:35] <diytto> It might have been overheating actually
[04:35] <diytto> Thats my first bet
[08:59] <wildbat> hmm, anyone installed lxde / lubuntu have idea why "ALT+f2 or W+R " work only once ?
[12:41] <Neosano> source_lxrandr.py
[12:41] <Neosano>     if os.path.exists(os.path.join(os.path.expanduser("~/.config/autstart","lxrandr-autostart.desktop"))):
[12:41] <Neosano> autstart
[12:41] <Neosano> a typo, right?
[12:42] <Neosano> next line has it too
[12:45] <phillw-virtual> I would assume so!
[12:45] <Neosano> ^^
[12:47] <Neosano> so where should I report it?
[12:49] <phillw-virtual> ubuntu-bug lxrandr should bring up the reporting system
[13:05] <Neosano> bah, my brain brain is fucked enough with trying to set up dual monitors
[13:06] <phillw> it's okay - I'll report it for you if you want.
[13:07] <Neosano> I did it already
[13:07] <phillw> okies :)
[13:07] <Neosano> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxrandr/+bug/801116
[13:07] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 801116 in lxrandr (Ubuntu) "A typo in source_lxrandr.py" [Undecided,New]
[13:08] <phillw> Neosano: I've just confimed it. A quick fix for one of the team (I hope!)
[13:08] <Neosano> :)
[13:09] <Neosano> still this typo doesn't affect me (probably)
[13:10] <Neosano> what should I do to make dual monitors work
[13:10] <Neosano> I want them to be configured when I login
[13:11] <phillw> Neosano: while they look into it, you can try 'old' way we used in 10.10 to see if that will get you running... http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=84
[13:16] <Neosano> phillw, says something about xorg.conf file, huh?
[13:16] <Neosano> I'm pretty sure it dissapeared few versions ago
[13:19] <bioterror> Neosano, buy me another ViewSonic VP2030b and I'll investigate this dual screen ;)
[13:19] <Neosano> ha-ha, sure!!!
[13:19] <Neosano> think of it
[13:20] <Neosano> it's not hard to setup two same monitors
[13:20] <Neosano> they should be different :>
[13:20] <bioterror> people mostly has problems with laptop + television :D
[13:21] <Neosano> so.. what I currently use...
[13:21] <Neosano> #!/bin/sh
[13:21] <Neosano> sleep 8
[13:21] <Neosano> xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1440x900
[13:21] <Neosano> xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of VGA-0
[13:21] <Neosano> and this script goes to /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[13:22] <Neosano> and sometimes it works, sometimes it throws me back to the login screen, sometimes both screens turn black
[13:22] <bioterror> back to login screen sounds like X crashes
[13:22] <bioterror> or lxdm
[13:22] <Neosano> sometimes it works for a while and then x crashes
[13:22] <Neosano> yes, it is
[13:23] <phillw> Neosano: only requires x-org if it does not work 'out of te box'
[13:24] <Neosano> phillw, what do you mean?
[13:25] <phillw> the 2nd posting is using xorg.conf. the 1st is 'native'
[13:26] <Neosano> oh, the post about grandr?
[13:26] <Neosano> yeah, awesome, after reboot I'll have my screen screwed, grandr helped a lot.
[13:26] <phillw> yeah
[13:26] <Neosano> screens*
[13:27] <Neosano> because lxrandr tries to setup them the way it wants, I guess
[13:29] <phillw> 1st time i've seen lxandr bug repoted :(
[13:29] <Neosano> ... using dual monitors for a year, I want to bash lxrandr with hammer!!!
[13:30] <Neosano> a simple "left-of" button in lxrandr can be so useful
[13:31] <Neosano> or even a simple edit box for custom commands :|
[13:33] <phillw> i don't have dual monior either, those posts were from the people who got it working in 10.10 :)
[13:34] <Neosano> well, maybe it's bad to throw such things directly here, but
[13:34] <Neosano> #!/bin/bash
[13:34] <Neosano> sleep 2
[13:34] <Neosano> xrandr --output VGA-0 --off
[13:34] <Neosano> xrandr --output DVI-0 --off
[13:34] <Neosano> xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1600x900 --right-of DVI-0 --primary
[13:34] <Neosano> xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1440x900 --left-of VGA-0
[13:34] <Neosano> #pcmanfm --wallpaper-mode=color
[13:34] <Neosano> #pcmanfm --wallpaper-mode=stretch
[13:34] <Neosano> this script was working in 10.10 with pcmanfm lines uncommented
[13:34] <Neosano> now, in 11.04 it makes X crash
[13:35] <bioterror> hmmmm
[13:35] <bioterror> stops lxdm
[13:35] <bioterror> and backtraces startlubuntu command? :D
[13:36] <Neosano> well, it works for a while, then crahses when I click anywhere
[13:37] <Neosano> sometimes does not crash when I click, but still crashes in a minute
[13:37] <Neosano> and ta-dam login screen
[13:40] <Neosano> I was showing some logs yesterday
[13:40] <Neosano> something about seg fault
[13:40] <bioterror> then backtrace
[13:41] <Neosano> uhh, where can I see the logs of this channel?
[13:41] <bioterror> !logs
[13:41] <ubot5> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[13:42] <Neosano> lxdm.log http://pastebin.com/JuYEHW00
[13:43] <Neosano> Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/4BeF04Yr
[14:08] <amadeo> hey guys I'm using Lubuntu on a Panel PC and when Lubuntu shutdowns it displays a lot of text then gives me a system is halted, I was wondering if i could change this to giving no text or possibly a blank screen when the system is halted
[14:11] <bioterror> hmmm
[14:11] <bioterror> shutdown -h now
[14:11] <bioterror> should power off completely
[14:11] <bioterror> unless you have problems with acpi or something
[14:11] <amadeo> yea The issue is im distributing this product as an embedded system
[14:12] <amadeo> how would i check any problems with acpi?
[14:12] <Neosano> btw, I'm really amazed how lubuntu shuts down in 3 seconds :O
[14:12] <amadeo> yea its very impressive
[14:12] <amadeo> so the best case should a it is now safe to shut down my computer
[14:16] <amadeo> do you gus have any idea how to start?
[14:16] <Ahmuck> shutdown -P now
[14:17] <Ahmuck> heh, didn't backread
[14:17] <Ahmuck> how to start what?>
[14:17] <bioterror> Ahmuck, init 5 :D
[14:18] <amadeo> I basically want to be able to get a it is not safe to shutdown your computer screen on lubuntu
[14:19] <amadeo> seems silly i know, but this is for an internship and my boss is kind of a dick
[14:19] <Ahmuck> but it is iirc
[14:19] <Ahmuck> is your boss a guy or a gal
[14:20] <amadeo> guy
[14:20] <bioterror> amadeo, get that screen on where?
[14:21] <amadeo> basically when I click logout->shutdown
[14:21] <amadeo> it shows Lubuntu witht he dots
[14:21] <amadeo> then prints a lot of things to the screen
[14:21] <amadeo> afterwards it prints over what was already printed
[14:21] <Ahmuck> ah, a wait till poweroff
[14:21] <amadeo> system is halted
[14:21] <Ahmuck> just disable the powerbutton until shutdown
[14:21] <amadeo> its a switch
[14:22] <Ahmuck> you can power off when "system is halted"
[14:22] <amadeo> this panelpc is a piece of shit and the kernel support is shotty at best
[14:22] <amadeo> yes i know but if im going to distribute this i need it so its more graceful
[14:22] <amadeo> maybe a black screen
[14:23] <amadeo> or even no text at all, just system is halted
[14:23] <Ahmuck> just power it off
[14:23] <Ahmuck> as i posted
[14:23] <amadeo> again, i know
[14:23] <Ahmuck> shutdown -P now
[14:23] <amadeo> but this is for an end user
[14:23] <amadeo> not for me
[14:24] <Ahmuck> well, ur talking about product development now, not user support
[14:24] <bioterror> we dont get paid for doing your job ;)
[14:24] <amadeo> haha i know
[14:24] <amadeo> but any suggestions on where to start?
[14:29] <bioterror> amadeo, I still dont get it what you're going to do
[14:29] <bioterror> you want a image which says "it's not safe to turn computer off"?
[14:31] <amadeo> i want an image that says it is now safe to turn off your computer
[14:31] <bioterror> where? :D
[14:31] <bioterror> put it as background :D
[14:32] <bioterror> ahhh yes
[14:32] <bioterror> hahaha sorry
[14:32] <bioterror> you want a WINDOWS COMPUTER
[14:32] <Neosano> lol
[14:32] <amadeo> yea my boss does, not me
[14:32] <bioterror> year 1995 called, they want your windows 95 back :D
[14:32] <amadeo> trust me it took everything in the world to convince him linux was the better solution
[14:33] <amadeo> yea well when the board youre using is ACPI 1.0 compliant you need to work around it
[14:33] <bioterror> you have some old embedded stuff?
[14:33] <amadeo> yea
[14:34] <bioterror> I really dont know anything else than that plymouth image
[14:34] <bioterror> but now I'm off to the shopping mall
[14:34] <amadeo> ok, thanks guys
[14:34] <bioterror> midsummer is knocking the door and 1.5 hours left to do shoppings
[14:51] <jo-erlend> does Lubuntu come with Network-manager installed by default?
[14:52] <amadeo> i believe it comes with nm-manager
[14:53] <amadeo> *network manager
[14:53] <silverarrow> jo-erlend, it does have a network manager, much like ubuntu
[14:54] <silverarrow> I'm in lubuntu now
[14:54] <jo-erlend> silverarrow, "a network manager"? Let me rephrase. Does it include nm-connection-editor?
[14:54] <silverarrow> hmm
[14:58] <silverarrow> I cannot figure out where to check for it
[14:58] <silverarrow> perhaps it doesn't then
[14:58] <silverarrow> is it a problem to install manually?
[14:59] <jo-erlend> silverarrow, do you know how to open a terminal?
[14:59] <silverarrow> yes
[14:59] <silverarrow> but I am crap with commands
[15:00] <silverarrow> I fuzz lol
[15:00] <jo-erlend> silverarrow, can you open a terminal and type nm-connection-editor and see if you get a dialog?
[15:01] <silverarrow> ** (nm-connection-editor:1560): WARNING **: nm_connection_list_new: failed to load VPN plugins: Couldn't read VPN .name files directory /etc/NetworkManager/VPN.
[15:01] <silverarrow> and a network applicatoin popped up
[15:01] <jo-erlend> silverarrow, did you get a dialog on your screen? A window?
[15:01] <jo-erlend> great.
[15:01] <silverarrow> a bit like this one
[15:01] <silverarrow> http://www.kiwwito.com/uploads/images/full/652ed52a6a7543ca570d14f40677d79d860ebb6d.png
[15:02] <jo-erlend> silverarrow, right. If you click on the network icon in your panel, do you get a menu such as this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Screenshot-2.png
[15:03] <silverarrow> yes
[15:03] <jo-erlend> great. Thank you. :)
[15:04] <silverarrow> I don't notice much difference from the one in Ubuntu
[15:04] <silverarrow> but I haven't had Ubuntu in months now
[15:06] <silverarrow> I have lubuntu on two laptops, one very old minimal spec model, and one newer,
[15:07] <jo-erlend> silverarrow, the indicators are available for gnome-panel, xfce4-panel, unity-panel and lxpanel at least. That's a very good thing. :)
[15:07] <jo-erlend> I didn't know if they were included by default though.
[15:07] <silverarrow> the old one 700MHz cpu, the newer one 2,6 MHz cpu
[15:08] <silverarrow> is there an option for easy network manager other than the default?
[15:13] <jo-erlend> there are others, yes.
[15:14] <jo-erlend> wicd, for instance. But network-manager is recommendable.
[15:15] <jo-erlend> network-manager also notifies other application when network status changes, so that they can act properly. Your email client won't complain about being offline, etc.
[15:28] <jo-erlend> is there only one iso for lubuntu?
[15:32] <phillw> jo-erlend: nope, there is a wole little familiy of them :)
[15:32] <phillw> *whole*
[15:32] <jo-erlend> oh, ok. I could only find one download on the website.
[15:33] <phillw> !topic
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[15:34] <jo-erlend> hmm. Ok. Why is there only one iso available on the website?
[15:34] <phillw> jo-erlend: I do not maintain the website :P I help look after the wiki area.
[15:39] <jo-erlend> I'm looking forward to testing it. I've just downloaded the iso and creating a vbox guest. :)
[15:39] <phillw> i am just updating my 11-10 alpha1
[15:39] <jo-erlend> a1 is way too early for me. :)
[15:39] <phillw> there is a known gremlin in the a1.
[15:40]  * phillw goes and checks the wiki area to ensure it is noted
[15:40] <jo-erlend> does lubuntu use zeitgeist?
[15:40] <phillw> we follow the ubuntu ethos.
[15:40] <amadeo> figured it out
[15:41] <jo-erlend> phillw, what does that mean?
[15:41] <amadeo> if anyone was wondering I had to make the kernel output to a logfile only not console
[15:42] <phillw> jo-erlend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
[15:42] <phillw> amadeo: congratulations on getting it done :)
[15:43] <amadeo> phillw, thanks, its a hack way around it but hey, it works
[15:43] <jo-erlend> phillw, hmm... But Lubuntu obviously doesn't use all the software that Ubuntu does.
[15:44] <phillw> jo-erlend: no, it does not. The software chosen is low resource usage. However any one can install anything from the main repo if they so wish. (I know some people cannot live without FireFox)
[15:44] <jo-erlend> yes, I know that.
[15:45] <jo-erlend>  was wondering if Lubuntu uses zeitgeist by default.
[15:45] <phillw> I have a full LAMP server on mine :D
[15:47] <phillw> jo-erlend: from what I can see it is gnome based. I'm not sure just how much of the gnome library it would want to bring in as depedancies.
[15:48] <phillw> give me a couple of minuites, just firing up 11.04 in VB
[15:51] <phillw> jo-erlend: it wants to use about 1MB of disk space and dowload 175k - looks pretty lean.
[15:51] <jo-erlend> zeitgeist?
[15:51] <phillw> yes
[15:52] <jo-erlend> I don't know how much memory it uses though. If it's not too much, then it should be included. It really rocks.
[15:52] <jo-erlend> applications need to be aware of it though.
[15:52] <phillw> memory is a really tight requirement!
[15:55] <jo-erlend> yes, I know. On Xfce, there is a plugin to enable gnome-panel applets to be used on xfce4-panel. Is there anything similar for lxpanel?
[16:01] <phillw> I'm not familiar with the applets, sorry.
[16:33] <AmberJ> phillw, there?
[16:33] <phillw> AmberJ: present
[16:46] <AmberJ> phillw, I poked you a couple of days ago about lxde menu unable to find and add some of my apps...
[16:46] <AmberJ> IT was ktouch at that time...
[16:47] <AmberJ> but somehow magically after a few reboots, Ktouch appears in my menu now...
[16:48] <AmberJ> But I'll like to have separate entries for all libreoffice programs (writer etc.)...right now it just shows single libreoffice entry
[16:48] <AmberJ> In future I may find more such instances so thought that it was worth asking...
[16:56] <phillw> I can try putting libreoffice onto my 11-04 for you and see what happens
[16:56] <phillw> I've not seen the finished list of apps for 11-10 yet.
[17:59] <kubu2> is lxdm no longer maintained?  just installed on kubuntu bec kde is acting up and it's presenting me systrem users instead of real user.
[18:01] <kubu2> should ignore users with pid < 1000
[20:37] <amadeo> does anybody know how to get  "waiting" cursor on ubuntu
[20:37] <amadeo> *lubuntu
[20:39] <pmatulis> why does xorg crash when i try to change my desktop background?
[20:42] <Unit193> pmatulis: To a solid color?
[20:44] <Unit193> Bug #718343 ?
[20:44] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 718343 in pcmanfm (Ubuntu) "whole session crashes on setting wallpaper mode to "background color only"" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718343
[20:52] <amadeo> anyone have any idea
[20:54] <Unit193> amadeo: Mouse themes. I have a small watch at the bottom right corner of the arrow
[20:55] <amadeo> Unit193: how do I change them?
[20:58] <Unit193> amadeo: 1. Download Theme 2. Extract to ~/.icons 2.1 Create the folder .icons if it does not exist in your home folder. 2.2 It is a hidden folder so hit CTRL+H to view hidden folders. 3. Open up a Terminal and type in   sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme   5. Choose the newly installed theme by entering the right number representing the new theme. 6. Restart Xorg by loggin out and back in again or restart
[20:58] <amadeo> thanks Unit193
[20:59] <Unit193> amadeo: Sure!