[07:25] <didrocks> good morning
[07:27] <didrocks> pitti: guten morgen :) if you have some time, unity would need some binNEWing :)
[07:30] <didrocks> pitti: oh forgot that it's a national holiday for you, sorry for the notice :)
[07:41] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks.
[07:42] <didrocks> ola TheMuso! Did you have some time to try Qt + a11y?
[07:42] <TheMuso> didrocks: Just installed it now, but not sure what I should test with. :)
[07:43] <didrocks> TheMuso: you have some examples shipped with, qt and qml apps, you can as well try launching any qt app with the env variable
[07:43] <TheMuso> fair enough
[07:47]  * TheMuso can't work out how to build the examples...
[07:48] <TheMuso> nm worked it out.
[07:49] <TheMuso> Working well, except for a few things like a multiline text view and some lists.
[07:49]  * TheMuso used the simple example found in qt-at-spi.
[07:50] <TheMuso> didrocks: So working well
[07:50] <didrocks> TheMuso: nice :) we should then gather a list of feedback and send that to the Nokia guy, (like the multiline text and the lists)
[07:50] <TheMuso> Yup.
[07:51] <didrocks> TheMuso: do you want me to forward that to them if you can gather that? (I have some small other things to ask them)
[07:51] <TheMuso> didrocks: Sure, I am almost done for today, but I will do that tomorrow, and do some reviewing in accerciser as well.
[07:51] <didrocks> TheMuso: excellent, I'll send an email today then, CCing you and we can start the discussion :)
[07:51] <TheMuso> Sounds good.
[07:52] <didrocks> I'm pushing Qt to oneiric and qt-at-spi today then!
[07:52] <TheMuso> Sweet.
[08:09]  * TheMuso EOD, time to go and start packing.
[08:11] <didrocks> TheMuso: see you!
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:27] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson! how are you?
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks. i'm good thanks, how are you?
[08:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks! Making my laptop in pain as debuild -S Qt (taking 25 minutes here) ;)
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> lol
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm glad i don't have to maintain qt ;)
[08:30] <didrocks> compiz… qt, when will this ends up? :-)
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> i think micahg volunteered to maintain compiz yesterday, when he took over maintaining nspluginwrapper ;)
[08:34] <pitti> hey all
[08:34] <pitti> didrocks: unity binNEW> sure, looking
[08:34] <didrocks> pitti: hey, don't fell force, I'll ask to seb once he's online. You should enjoy your day off! :-)
[08:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: oh, good news! :-)
[08:34] <pitti> oh, and lots of indicator bits in NEW as well
[08:35] <pitti> didrocks: that's fine; just brought my wife to the train station, so I'm back home
[08:35]  * didrocks adds micahg to ~compiz and run away :)
[08:35] <pitti> didrocks: I want to do some garden work today, but it's still raining
[08:35] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :-)
[08:35] <didrocks> oh? :/
[08:35] <pitti> and I want to plan a bikeshed
[08:35] <didrocks> (cloudy here, but fortunatly, not rainy)
[08:35] <pitti> nice to do bikeshedding for real for a change :)
[08:36] <didrocks> heh, this should be the only bikeshedding we shold know :)
[08:36] <pitti> we had a nice bbq with all the neighbors yesterday; it rained half of the time, but we got some umbrellas, and it was lots of fun
[08:36] <didrocks> pitti: I hope that the bbq was more protected than with just umbrellas :)
[08:37] <didrocks> or you would have eaten cold food :)
[08:37] <pitti> yeah, it was under a roof
[08:40] <didrocks> (qt-at-spi uploaded \o/ will need NEWing. Prepping the MIR)
[08:52] <pitti> kenvandine: indicator-me-gtk2 binNEW review> why does this depend on libdbusmenu-gtk3?
[08:53] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> pitti - libdbusmenu-gtk3 is actually the gtk2 version isn't it?
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> libdbusmenu-gtk3-3 is the gtk3 version, i think
[08:54] <pitti> ah, how confusing
[08:54] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, it is a bit ;)
[08:56] <pitti> kenvandine: why does indicator-session have lots of icons, but i-session-gtk2 doesn't have them?
[08:56] <didrocks> I guess a matrix is needed :)
[08:58] <pitti> W: libunity-core-4.0-1: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libunity-core-4.0-4
[08:58] <pitti> hmm
[08:58] <seb128> hey
[08:58] <pitti> didrocks: lintian reports tons of spelling errors in unity, perhaps you can fix them?
[08:58] <pitti> hey seb128
[08:58] <seb128> pitti, guten tag, aren't you supposed to be on holidays? ;-)
[08:58] <pitti> W: unity-common: desktop-command-not-in-package /usr/share/applications/unity-preferences.desktop unity-preferences
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: ^ forgotten in .install?
[08:59] <pitti> seb128: erm, yes
[08:59] <pitti> binNEWing doesn't count as holidays?
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, that warning is likely "bin is in unity, .desktop in common"
[08:59] <didrocks> pitti: hum, really? I thought I cleaned the lintian warnings yesterday
[08:59] <didrocks> pitti: right, the desktop file is in common, the binary in unity
[08:59] <seb128> where the .desktop should not be in common
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: but libunity-core-4.0-1 shipping soname 4 and being named -1 sounds more serious
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: want me to reject to get that fixed?
[09:00] <didrocks> pitti: sure please
[09:00] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:00] <didrocks> hum, I'm afraid that last commit I backported rechanged *again* the soname :/
[09:00] <didrocks> salut seb128
[09:00] <pitti> ok, oneiric NEW is down from 80 to 18
[09:00] <didrocks> 4 soname change for one release is too much…
[09:00] <didrocks> seb128: pitti: so you prefer the desktop file in unity, not in -common?
[09:00] <pitti> didrocks: no, that's fine
[09:01] <pitti> I just spotted the lintian error, I didnt' check the dependency
[09:01] <pitti> it's just a bit weird to have u-common depend on u
[09:01] <pitti> but no biggue
[09:01]  * didrocks still wonders why he didn't see those errors yesterday, normally, I check them closely
[09:01] <pitti> biggie
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, well that's what is recommended I think because it avoids things like "I uninstalled unity but nothing cleaned -common and now I've a desktop file not matching any binary"
[09:02] <pitti> yes, in that case -common should depend on unity
[09:02] <seb128> circular depends?
[09:02] <didrocks> unity deps on -common, so no :)
[09:02] <didrocks> let's try to avoid circular dep
[09:02] <didrocks> let's put the desktop file in the bin then
[09:02] <pitti> then I'd also prefer moving the .desktop file
[09:03] <didrocks> pitti: can I reupload with the same version or should I bump as the binaries are rejected? (will the source be overwritten?)
[09:03] <seb128> \o/ gtk3 indicators
[09:03] <seb128> with some gsettings porting on the way
[09:03] <seb128> didrocks, you need to update the version
[09:03] <didrocks> ok
[09:04] <pitti> didrocks: you need to bump -- the source is already in the archive after all
[09:04] <seb128> didrocks, the source is published so you can't use the version again
[09:04] <pitti> didrocks: you just don't need conflicts/replaces for the rejected binaries
[09:04] <seb128> using the same version work only for things which are not source newed
[09:04] <pitti> or in unapproved during freezes
[09:06] <didrocks> ok, so njpatel fixed the soname the other way around we agreed, should have checked with the last commit…
[09:06] <didrocks> sorry about that
[09:06] <rodrigo_> is debian going to package 3.1.x soon?
[09:18] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[09:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, I doubt so, they usually don't have the manpower to track unstable series
[09:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, why?
[09:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, could you check on bug #796578
[09:18] <seb128> ?
[09:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 796578 in gsettings-desktop-schemas "org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.gschema.xml references undefined child schema org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.at" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/796578
[09:19] <seb128> vuntz|afk, hey, could you review the patch on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168718 when you have time ?
[09:19] <rodrigo_> seb128, because I wanted to update g-desktop, so I just do it on our branch then, right?
[09:19] <ubot2> Gnome bug 168718 in general "libwnck skimps on an access to XClassHint components" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[09:19] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, looking
[09:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[09:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, be careful there is a soname change in the new gnome-desktop, maybe ask for a review before uploadin
[09:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[09:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, also, there's an API change in one method, a new arg added, so I'm first checking where it's used
[09:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, well that's fine, if the soname changes we will need to transition all the rdepends anyway
[09:21] <rodrigo_> ah ok
[09:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, oh, while I'm at, bug #800561 as well
[09:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 800561 in gnome-control-center "No way to add other keymap than english on Live CD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800561
[09:23] <seb128> should I just assign that to you? I think you where working on that capplet recently?
[09:23] <seb128> it seems to work fine on my system, maybe a missing depends or something?
[09:23] <seb128> I will try to check on the bug and update it if I figure something
[09:23] <pitti> yay, ubuntu-defaults-builder finally built and is in binNEW
[09:24] <seb128> oh, pitti already assigned it to you
[09:25] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[09:25] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, looking now at both bugs (one at a time, that is :-)
[09:25] <rodrigo_> the gsettings-desktop-schemas one is already fixed in git,s o just adding the patch now
[09:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, yeah no hurry, sorry about the morning spam, I'm just going through the night backlog in my mailboxes
[09:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[09:26] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw I'm done with the backlog so no other surprise for you ;-)
[09:27] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> oh man, down to 40% capacity now
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> my battery is not going to last the rally next week ;)
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> it's dying a rather rapid death
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> i think it's time for a new laptop!
[09:42] <seb128> jibel, so you can open the region capplet on the current iso?
[09:42] <seb128> jibel, rodrigo_: so I need to rsync the current iso but on the one week old iso I have the region capplet doesn't start because accountsservice is not on the CD
[09:42] <fta2> chrisccoulson, get a chromebook ;) they claim you don't even need to carry the charger with you
[09:43] <seb128> still blocking on the SRU
[09:44] <rodrigo_> seb128, right, no answer from kees on the bug, afaics, will ping him
[09:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, yeah, don't worry, we will corner him next week if needed ;-)
[09:44] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:45] <jibel> seb128, I can.
[09:45] <seb128> jibel: can you try if installing accountsservice on the liveCD fixes the issue?
[09:46] <seb128> jibel, you should be able to enable the universe source and install it
[09:46] <seb128> jibel, oh, also do you know when the sound indicator issue started?
[09:49] <jibel> seb128, here is the error when I launch the region capplet: region-cc-panel-WARNING **: Failed to list existing users: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files
[09:49] <jibel> seb128, I install accountsservice
[09:49] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[09:53] <jibel> seb128, I don't know when it started. I saw that this morning while reviewing Oneiric's bug queue.
[09:54] <seb128> jibel, don't worry, I was just wondering if that's the recent ido update or an indicator issue
[09:54] <seb128> will sort it out with dx
[09:56] <jibel> seb128, talking about sound, a dev should have a look at bug 791183 too.
[09:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 791183 in indicator-sound "volume indicator not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791183
[09:56] <seb128> jibel, it's called "sound indicator" btw ;-) right, could be due to the same updates
[09:56] <seb128> will check with kenvandine
[09:57] <didrocks> pitti: ubuntu-defaults-builder binNEWed and new unity uploaded, hopefully will be soon built! (cleaned all lintian warning I can clean, just one man page missing upstream)
[09:57] <seb128> ups
[10:00] <jibel> seb128, installing accountsservice removes the warning, but I'm still unable to add a layout unless clicking on 'reset to defaults'. I'll comment the bug report.
[10:00] <seb128> jibel, ok thanks, that was worth a try ;-)
[10:59] <seb128> rodrigo_,
[11:00] <seb128> ./tomboy-1.6.1/Tomboy/Addins/WebSyncService/Api/ProxiedWebRequest.cs:			"/system/http_proxy
[11:00] <seb128> ./gnome-applets-2.91.4~20110321/invest-applet/invest/__init__.py:			host = client.get_string("/system/http_proxy/host")
[11:00] <seb128> ./liferea-1.6.4/src/conf.h:#define GNOME_USE_PROXY			"/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy"	/* old GNOME proxy enabling key *
[11:01] <seb128> then the ones I listed yesterday
[11:01] <seb128> e-d-s, rb
[11:02] <seb128> ./seahorse-3.0.2/pgp/seahorse-hkp-source.c:#define GCONF_USE_HTTP_PROXY    "/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy"
[11:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, doing a run for universe now
[11:06] <ronoc> seb128, do you know where I can find the dev package for libido3 ?
[11:06] <seb128> ronoc, in oneiric
[11:06] <ronoc> seb128, only there ?
[11:06] <seb128> yes
[11:06] <ronoc> ah i just wanted to test mterry's port
[11:06] <seb128> it's about time to upgrade to oneiric ;-)
[11:06] <ronoc> never
[11:07] <ronoc> until after the alpha :)
[11:07] <seb128> ronoc, joke aside that will rely on a GTK3 unity etc
[11:07] <ronoc> seb128, ok i'll do all the updating next week
[11:07] <seb128> ronoc, that doesn't work, you can't block everybody this way, ted upgraded this week
[11:07] <seb128> ronoc, your indicator is the only one blocking unity on gtk3
[11:07] <ronoc> i'm about to merge
[11:08] <seb128> great ;-)
[11:08] <seb128> ronoc, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ido/0.2.90-0ubuntu1
[11:08] <seb128> you can try to get the binaries from there
[11:08] <seb128> but they might not work with the gtk3 in natty
[11:08] <seb128> you might need a newer one
[11:08] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[11:08] <ronoc> seb128, ok thanks
[11:09] <seb128> rodrigo_,
[11:09] <seb128> ./bug-buddy-2.31.92/src/bug-buddy.c:#define USE_PROXY_KEY 	"/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy"
[11:09] <seb128> ./muine-0.8.11/src/GnomeProxy.cs:		private const string GConfProxyPath = "/system/http_proxy";
[11:09] <seb128> ./sound-juicer-2.32.1+20110330/libjuicer/sj-metadata-musicbrainz3.c:#define GCONF_PROXY_USE_PROXY "/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy"
[11:09] <seb128> ./gnome-gmail-notifier-0.10.1/src/ggn-prefs.h:#define GGN_GCONF_PROXY_HOST        "/system/http_proxy/host"
[11:09] <rodrigo_> seb128, I guess it's enough to justify keeping the g-s-d plugin :)
[11:09] <seb128> ./drivel-3.0.3/src/journal.c:	dc->id.proxy_id = gconf_client_notify_add (dc->client, "/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy", proxy_changed_cb,
[11:09] <seb128> rodrigo_, indeed ;-)
[11:09] <rodrigo_> seb128, but yes, will have a look at porting some of those to gsettings
[11:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, don't bother with universe ones
[11:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, but i.e seahorse could be nice
[11:10] <seb128> or liferea
[11:10] <rodrigo_> yeah, I'll have a look at those at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gsettings
[11:10] <rodrigo_> ah, seahotse is not there
[11:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, I will add it
[11:10] <seb128> I'm still filing bugs
[11:10] <rodrigo_> ok, thanks
[11:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, you have a better list on the etherpad
[11:11] <rodrigo_> ah, much better yeah
[11:16] <seb128> hum
[11:16] <seb128> why is firefox depending on python-gtk2?
[11:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's your fault!
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> it's all my fault!
[11:22] <seb128> indeed
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> it's currently used for the profile migrator script, for people that have used the nightlies
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> but i'm going to just remove it
[11:22] <seb128> why is firefox depending on python-gtk2?
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't make any sense any more
[11:22] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[11:22] <seb128> do you need a bug for it?
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no, i was going to drop it any way
[11:23] <seb128> ok
[11:23] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[11:23] <seb128> that was easier that I though ;-)
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> but thunderbird is a higher priority for me :P
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> (especially seeing as everyone will be using chromium soon!)
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[11:23] <seb128> they will use gmail in chromium as well
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:23] <seb128> don't bother with emails clients :p
[11:24] <didrocks> rodrigo_: the "application at startup" isn't ported in g-c-c yet, right?
[11:25] <rodrigo_> didrocks, you mean the old g-session-properties?
[11:25] <didrocks> right
[11:25] <didrocks> (with session saving and all this fun stuff)
[11:26] <rodrigo_> didrocks, I have a branch in g-c-c git about adding it, and the design is being discussed (https://live.gnome.org/Design/Proposals/Autostart), but I am starting to like the idea of not having that UI and just have a menu entry for launchers in g-shell/unity
[11:27] <seb128> rodrigo_, how would you know what softwares are in the autostart list?
[11:27] <didrocks> rodrigo_: anyway, g-s-p will be removed as it is?
[11:27] <seb128> didrocks, I don't think there is any plan for the "save session" in g-c-c
[11:27] <seb128> what rodrigo_ is working on is the autostarts
[11:28] <rodrigo_> seb128, we might need an API in glib, or the shell/unity can just check it
[11:28] <didrocks> seb128: well, as we will remove it from ui, if the ui is going away, I'll remove it
[11:28] <didrocks> I won't* remove it
[11:28] <rodrigo_> didrocks, not removed, it's still around afaik, but there's no launcher for it
[11:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, but where would they display the list?
[11:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, having to figure what icons to right click on is not user friendly ;-)
[11:28] <rodrigo_> seb128, no list, launchers would show it
[11:29] <seb128> hum
[11:29] <rodrigo_> ah, you mean for disabling an autostart app
[11:29] <seb128> yes
[11:29] <rodrigo_> that might be tricky indeed
[11:29] <didrocks> ok, I'll remove the GUI option then, not blacklist it by command line (even if I didn't find a switch equivalent to gnome-session-save)
[11:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, add a comment to https://live.gnome.org/Design/Proposals/Autostart
[11:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, I'll add it myself
[11:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[11:29] <seb128> didrocks, seems good
[11:31] <ronoc> seb128, will release later with that gtk3 port merged
[11:31] <seb128> ronoc, thanks
[11:32] <seb128> ronoc, well that can wait next week if you prefer time for testing
[11:32] <ronoc> seb128, will i merged to trunk already
[11:32] <seb128> ronoc, I doubt we will land a new unity today or tomorrow with the service switched to gtk3 now
[11:32] <ronoc> seb128, ok
[11:32] <seb128> so we can as well look at that together on monday
[11:33] <ronoc> seb128, ok sound, I'll get an oneric partition ready in the interim
[11:33] <seb128> ronoc, btw dunno if you saw but jibel said the sound indicator is broken in current oneiric
[11:33] <seb128> he opened a bug about that earlier
[11:33] <ronoc> seb128, i saw something about the metadata disappeared
[11:34] <ronoc> seb128, I need to move over to oneric now
[11:34] <seb128> ok
[11:34] <seb128> good luck ;-)
[11:34] <ronoc> thanks :)
[11:34] <seb128> session restart, brb
[12:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, the gnome-desktop3 branch for review -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-desktop3/3_1_2_release/+merge/65642
[12:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[12:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, you need to update the -dev depends in the control.in as well
[12:51] <seb128> in the rules you need to update the shlibs line for the new binary name
[12:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, the .symbols first line needs to be updated as well
[12:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, oh, ok
[12:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, pushing
[12:59] <rodrigo_> just grep'ed for the old name to make sure there was nothing else, seems it's ok now
[13:22] <rodrigo_> lunch, bbl
[13:41]  * mterry wonders why indicator-session isn't appearing in his panel
[13:42] <seb128> mterry, do you have indicator-session-gtk2 installed?
[13:42] <didrocks> mterry: you can wait for it appearing and do a quick MIR review in the same time? :p
[13:43] <mterry> seb128, no I have the new gtk3 one.  It's on my disk, just not getting loaded
[13:43] <mterry> didrocks, which MIR?
[13:43] <seb128> mterry, loaded by what?
[13:43] <mterry> seb128, by unity 4.0
[13:43] <didrocks> mterry: this fresh new one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-at-spi/+bug/801080 :)
[13:43] <seb128> mterry, neither unity nor indicator-applet are on gtk3
[13:43] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 801080 in qt-at-spi "[MIR] qt-at-spi" [Undecided,New]
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, unity 4 has it panel service still on gtk2
[13:44] <mterry> seb128, oh!  I got fooled
[13:44] <mterry> seb128, yup, I don't have the gtk2 one
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, njpatel said it's like 5 lines to do gtk3 but he was waiting on indicators to be available to test
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, we will switch and clean next week
[13:44] <njpatel> It's always "5-lines" until the 500-line diff!
[13:44] <seb128> ;-)
[13:45] <seb128> njpatel, don't worry we will keep you locked until it's done
[13:45] <seb128> njpatel, can be 500 lines that's not an issue
[13:45] <njpatel> seb128, heh, you can try!
[13:45] <didrocks> and 0 don't count!
[13:45] <didrocks> :-)
[13:45] <njpatel> seb128, it really shouldn't be that hard, but I'm sure I'm missing something or ted has decided to break everything
[13:46] <njpatel> seb128, also, I need to make things hard for didrocks, of course :)
[13:46] <seb128> njpatel, it's only code, how hard can it be
[13:46] <didrocks> njpatel: where will be the pleasure otherwise? :)
[13:46]  * njpatel adds a new dep for nux: unity!
[13:46] <didrocks> already the dual dep is fun :)
[13:46] <seb128> njpatel, didrocks is hidding in shame since you changed the unity lib soname in a commit
[13:46] <seb128> njpatel, which he backported without updating the packaging
[13:46] <njpatel> seb128, aaah, bad didrocks !
[13:46]  * njpatel runs
[13:46] <seb128> njpatel, so give him a break, it's enough for a man in a week ;-)
[13:46] <didrocks> njpatel: seb128: well, I caught 3 soname change in commits
[13:47] <didrocks> just not the latest :)
[13:47]  * didrocks blames upstream
[13:47] <njpatel> haha
[13:47] <didrocks> :-)
[13:47] <njpatel> we are terrible :)
[13:47] <didrocks> it's like for qt things with agateau. Before releasing something, he changed the licensing 3 times! :)
[13:48] <didrocks> dx seems to want messing with packagers :-)
[13:48] <didrocks> njpatel: next time, I won't be trapped and I will have my revenge at the rally!
[13:48] <agateau> didrocks: and I am about to change those one more time!
[13:48] <didrocks> \o/
[13:48] <njpatel> didrocks, hehe
[13:48]  * njpatel get's ready to add a new lib with a silly soname
[13:49] <didrocks> njpatel: you try try "njpatel1é as soname
[13:50] <didrocks> I heard that even some people are using their name on dbus :p
[13:55] <mterry> Is doko not around this week?
[13:57] <seb128> mterry, not sure, he's not on leave on the calendar at least
[13:57] <didrocks> mterry: no, you want that review for success and praise! :-)
[13:58] <seb128> mterry, get didrocks to review u1-couch in exchange of the review you do for him
[13:58] <seb128> mterry, it's fair trading and you workaround the doko issue ;-)
[13:58] <mterry> eh it feels like stealing it from doko, but I'll do what it takes  ;)
[13:58] <mterry> didrocks, you got some time?
[13:59]  * didrocks feels a trap
[13:59] <seb128> didrocks, well, he's the one not responding so it's only fair ;-)
[13:59]  * didrocks whistles
[13:59] <didrocks> mterry: so, now that I removed desktopcouch from oneconf, I need to look at couch things again? ;)
[14:00] <mterry> didrocks, this is barely couch
[14:00] <mterry> didrocks, more like seat
[14:00] <seb128> lol
[14:00] <didrocks> is it confortable? :)
[14:00] <seb128> didrocks, well as long as it comes with a beer say yes ;-)
[14:00]  * mterry is suspiciously silent
[14:01]  * seb128 hugs nessita
[14:01] <seb128> nessita, thanks for triaging my bug ;-)
[14:01] <nessita> seb128: heh!
[14:01] <seb128> nessita, do you come to the rally next week btw?
[14:02] <nessita> seb128: I want to work on that bug, but I keep getting assigned other tasks :-(
[14:02] <nessita> seb128: no... I will you though
[14:02] <nessita> i will miss* you :-P
[14:02] <seb128> same here
[14:02] <didrocks> mterry: if you need it, I can have a look now :)
[14:03] <mterry> didrocks, last thing holding up deja-dup: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/491644
[14:03] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 491644 in deja-dup "[MIR] deja-dup and friends" [Wishlist,In progress]
[14:03] <didrocks> and friends? deja-dup is seat friendly then? : )
[14:04] <mterry> :)
[14:08] <didrocks> nessita: hey, are you aware of an issue where we can ask for a glib timeout for a sso credential and never receive the signal callback?
[14:12] <mterry> didrocks, these qt-at-spi tests don't seem designed to run during build time, is that true?
[14:12] <didrocks> mterry: no, because they are using dbus and they create some X windows :/
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, creating X windows is fine ;)
[14:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: for buildds?
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> firefox runs the entire browser during its unit tests
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> (on the buildd's)
[14:13] <didrocks> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11
[14:13] <didrocks> oupss
[14:13] <didrocks> waow
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, xvfb-run ftw ;)
[14:13] <didrocks> :)
[14:13] <seb128> didrocks, xvfb?
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> indeed :)
[14:13] <seb128> that's what i.e pygtk does
[14:13] <didrocks> ok, didn't know it
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, the mochitest suite runs a full browser (and a simulated http server), and can do pretty much anything (eg, simulating input events etc)
[14:14] <didrocks> that's nice to know :)
[14:14] <didrocks> mterry: run-tests isn't runned in ubuntuone-couch build time as well, right?
[14:15] <seb128> hum, I should get popcorns while I watch didrocks and mterry counting points ;-)
[14:15] <didrocks> seb128: some people are working, other are slackering :p
[14:15] <mterry> :)
[14:16] <nessita> didrocks: hey there! I'm not completely sure what you're asking. What I do know is that our current sso client does not work on O due to keyring API changes, dobey is working on fixing that
[14:16] <nessita> didrocks: does that answer your question? /me guess no
[14:16] <didrocks> it's not the client, I'm using the sso API and in natty or oneiric, when I request for credential, sometimes, I don't get the callback
[14:16] <mterry> didrocks, actually, run-tests does look like it spawns an xvfb session.  It might actually be runnable on a build server
[14:16] <didrocks> nessita: I have an example if you want
[14:17] <didrocks> mterry: right
[14:18] <dobey> mterry: in u1couch? it doesn't need xvfb… if run-tests has that, i'd consider it a bug
[14:19] <mterry> dobey, well it does have it
[14:19] <didrocks> nessita: bzr branch lp:oneconf ; cd oneconf/oneconf/networksync ; python ssohandler.py
[14:20] <dobey> mterry: ok, i'm pretty sure u1couch has no GUI, so it shouldn't be required :)
[14:20] <didrocks> nessita: there is a first authentification call, which works 100% of the time, the a g_timeout_add_seconds for 10s which tries again to authentify. This one work 50% of the time (getting the dbus signal as answer)
[14:22] <didrocks> mterry: ok, all looks fine for u1-couch, bonus point to run the testsuite, but I won't block on that
[14:22] <didrocks> oh wait!
[14:22] <didrocks> W: ubuntuone-couch source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.1 (current is 3.9.2)
[14:22] <didrocks> no, I can't, it's too much :-)
[14:22]  * mterry will buy one less beer for didrocks now
[14:22] <didrocks> mterry: </kidding> ok promoting ;)
[14:22] <mterry> :)
[14:22] <nessita> didrocks: oh
[14:23] <nessita> didrocks: the ussoc service shutdown after 10 seconds of inactivity
[14:23] <didrocks> nessita: ok, so it can receive the signal, but still tells "ok bye"
[14:23] <didrocks> it's like if you enter a store and "too late, we're closing" :)
[14:23] <didrocks> but still taking the request, just not answering ;)
[14:24] <nessita> didrocks: we have a counter that is increased after each request and decreased after each response... so not sure how that can happen
[14:24] <nessita> didrocks: please file a bug and attach your sso logs
[14:24] <nessita> didrocks: what ubuntu are you running
[14:24] <didrocks> mterry: one less beer? I can wait for promoting during the rally, being beer-conditionally started :)
[14:24] <didrocks> nessita: I got it on natty and oneiric
[14:24] <didrocks> nessita: sure for filing a bug, what should I attach as logs?
[14:25] <mterry> didrocks, fine.  /me starts assigning more MIRs to didrocks
[14:25] <nessita> didrocks: I guess your request is being answered between the counter check and the actual shutdown, which is a pain
[14:25] <nessita> didrocks: .cache/sso
[14:25]  * didrocks use this awesome new "mute bug mails feature"
[14:25] <mterry> didrocks, ooh, what email client do you use?  i want that
[14:25] <didrocks> nessita: ok, will file a bug :)
[14:26] <didrocks> mterry: heh, launchpad does that now (on specific bug though)
[14:27] <nessita> didrocks: thanks! in the mean time you should change your reconnect time to more than 10 seconds (or less), but not exactly 10
[14:27] <didrocks> nessita: well, this was just my test case, I don't make that in real life, I just do that if you disconnect/reconnect in 10 seconds :)
[14:28] <nessita> ah
[14:28] <nessita> don't allow the user do that with 10 seconds apart!
[14:28] <nessita> :-P
[14:28] <didrocks> so yeah, you are quite screwed if nm reconnects in 10 seconds
[14:28] <didrocks> well, it's rather there network connection ;)
[14:28] <nessita> didrocks: we can always change our internal timeout
[14:28] <nessita> until we actually fix the bug (which is not trivial to fix)
[14:28] <didrocks> nessita: well, it will be the same issue
[14:28] <nessita> yeap
[14:28] <didrocks> nessita: for oneconf, I have an "activity" tag
[14:29] <didrocks> is there is activity turn on by every request
[14:29] <didrocks> it will increase the daemon life time by the timeout time
[14:33] <didrocks> mterry: done, keep me posted on qt-at-spi
[14:33] <mterry> didrocks, it was approved
[14:34] <didrocks> oh nice :)
[14:34] <didrocks> mterry: and no, I didn't turn off bug mails already :p
[14:34] <mterry> :)
[14:34]  * mterry now bugs archive admins
[14:35] <didrocks> mterry: for what? ;)
[14:35] <mterry> to actually promote
[14:35] <mterry> didrocks, oh!  you're an archive admin aren't you
[14:35] <didrocks> it's what I intended by "done" :-)
[14:35] <mterry> didrocks, yay!
[14:35]  * mterry hugs didrocks, gives him his beer back
[14:35]  * didrocks hugs mterry!
[14:36] <didrocks> ok, editing the seed now
[14:36] <didrocks> (for qt-at-spi)
[14:36] <mterry> didrocks, k.  let me know when you're done and I'll throw in DD
[14:38] <didrocks> mterry: it's all yours :)
[14:47] <mterry> didrocks, I'll update ubuntu-meta while I'm at it
[14:47] <didrocks> mterry: perfect!
[14:48] <dobey> hrmm
[14:48] <dobey> i guess the ~/.gtk-bookmarks didn't become ~/.gtk-3.0-bookmarks for 3.x also
[14:49] <didrocks> nessita: bug #801154 FYI
[14:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 801154 in ubuntu-sso-client "Some request can be missed in racy calls" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801154
[14:52] <didrocks> mterry: just on librsync, was there a good ending on that? I'm not clear from the bug report
[14:52] <mterry> didrocks, a good ending in the sense that doko seemed to agree it didn't need lively maintenance.  I confirmed that upstream is all but dead, though debian upstream is active
[14:53] <mterry> didrocks, our own martin pool used to be a maintainer, but hasn't touched it in years
[14:53] <didrocks> mterry: ok, finishing the other promotions then, hold up!
[14:54] <rodrigo_> seb128, does the g-desktop branch look ok now? Can I upload?
[14:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, let me check
[14:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, seems fine yes
[14:59] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, thanks for the review!
[15:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, yw ;-)
[15:01] <seb128> dobey, no they didn't
[15:01] <seb128> dobey, the format didn't change so no reason to rename the file
[15:03] <dobey> seb128: sure. but i've had to deal with my fair share of unreasonable changes before in gtk :)
[15:05] <seb128> ;-)
[15:07] <seb128> kenvandine, you did a copy error, bug #801132
[15:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 801132 in indicator-session "indicator-session should depend on indicator-session-gtk2" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801132
[15:08] <seb128> kenvandine, you made it recommends the wrong indicator ;-)
[15:08] <seb128> which also explain why mterry didn't have the -gtk2 installed earlier
[15:13] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[15:13] <seb128> (did you read my ping or just fixed it at the same time?)
[15:13] <kenvandine> seb128, oh... i didn't see the bug :)
[15:14] <kenvandine> i fixed my desktop box last night and was able to test in a VM this morning :)
[15:14] <seb128> ;-)
[15:14] <cyphermox> omg omg omg the repairs work has just been finished in my debroom. I can finally sleep on my bed, for the first time since UDS!
[15:14] <kenvandine> cyphermox, woot
[15:14] <cyphermox> err. debroom = bedroom
[15:14] <cyphermox> kenvandine: indeed :D
[15:15]  * cyphermox crawls back to C code
[15:16] <kenvandine> seb128, i usually use my desktop box to run relatively clean VMs that point to a local apt repo... very useful for testing upgrades before uploading :)
[15:16] <kenvandine> but the motherboard died in it recently, just got the new one in it last night
[15:16] <seb128> kenvandine, ;-)
[15:16] <kenvandine> testing upgrade paths are generally a good thing :)
[15:16] <seb128> I usually rely on users to complain if I break something :p
[15:16] <kenvandine> hehe... i like working with VMs
[15:16] <seb128> (did I just said that out loud? ;-)
[15:17] <kenvandine> haha :)
[15:17] <seb128> I liked vms in a time where our desktop was running in those :p
[15:17] <seb128> can't run unity in kvm
[15:17] <didrocks> cyphermox: talking about repairing things :)
[15:18] <cyphermox> didrocks: ?
[15:18] <kenvandine> yeah, it was working in virtualbox
[15:18] <kenvandine> but now i get fallback mode
[15:18] <didrocks> cyphermox: do you have any idea how I can give you the needed info for network-manager messing with me? Like, at every startup in the morning, it doesn't want to connect to my wiki
[15:18] <cyphermox> repairing the indicators not showing in my session? :D
[15:18] <seb128> didrocks, use the etherpad :p
[15:18] <didrocks> cyphermox: also there is the policykit dialog telling it wants to change some system data, and then prompting for a blank dialog
[15:18] <didrocks> hum
[15:18] <cyphermox> oh
[15:19] <cyphermox> that's something new
[15:19] <kenvandine> wifi != wiki :)
[15:19] <didrocks> seb128: see!
[15:19] <didrocks> kenvandine: also ;)
[15:19] <seb128> didrocks, it's not me who typed wiki!
[15:19] <seb128> ;-)
[15:19] <didrocks> cyphermox: so yeah, if I try to setup the right passphrase it doesn't work as well, still trying to connect
[15:19] <didrocks> seb128: :p
[15:19] <seb128> ok, it's not friday and I should go back to work
[15:19] <didrocks> cyphermox: if I try to disconnect/choose again, it doesn't work
[15:19] <cyphermox> didrocks: file a bug against NM. in theory the apport hook rocks
[15:19] <didrocks> cyphermox: I'm forced to reboot
[15:20] <seb128> let's keep opening bugs about gtk2 and gconf cleaning ;-)
[15:20] <kenvandine> seb128, did you see i fixed ubuntu-artwork too?
[15:20] <didrocks> cyphermox: so, basically, when I have that, I should apport-bug?
[15:20] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:20] <didrocks> cyphermox: the thing is that, when I have that, I have no network consequently :p
[15:20] <seb128> kenvandine, I did, very productive day ;-)
[15:20] <cyphermox> one for the wifi not connecting and stuff, and one for the applet showing a blank dialog
[15:20] <seb128> kenvandine, now you just need to get the new gwibber in and you will have deserved your Dublin beers
[15:20] <kenvandine> very long day....
[15:20] <seb128> ;-)
[15:20] <cyphermox> didrocks: you can connect to wired :D
[15:21] <didrocks> cyphermox: it's in the same session
[15:21] <kenvandine> i won't be as productive today :)
[15:21] <didrocks> cyphermox: ok, letting that screwed, and the connected from wired and sending the report
[15:21] <seb128> kenvandine, seems like you kept nothing to do for next week, you will have time for beers ;-)
[15:21]  * didrocks adds the discussion to tomboy as well
[15:22] <cyphermox> didrocks: yeah. at least I'll get syslog too... I'm vaguely worried about kernel 3.0 majorly screwing with wifi drivers
[15:22] <didrocks> cyphermox: possible, I can try to boot in an older kernel. It seems racy anyway, I really have to reboot to get things ok
[15:22] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:22] <didrocks> I have it every morning systematically
[15:22] <cyphermox> :/
[15:22] <didrocks> so, then, need to reboot once or twice
[15:23] <didrocks> not really nice :)
[15:24] <rodrigo_> ugh, no permissions for g-desktop, seems it's not in the packageset
[15:24] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, ^
[15:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, gnome-desktop3 you mean?
[15:25] <cjwatson> can I have that in unabbreviated form please
[15:25] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes
[15:25] <cjwatson> I don't know your jargon
[15:25] <seb128> cjwatson, gnome-desktop3
[15:25] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, sorry, it's gnome-desktop3
[15:26] <cjwatson> added
[15:26] <rodrigo_> cjwatson, thanks!
[15:44] <didrocks> mterry: not loosing time to remove deja-dup from featured apps! :)
[15:44] <mterry> didrocks, it's a WI!  Gotta get those down
[15:46] <didrocks> ;)
[15:47] <mterry> tremolux, heyo.  Now that software-center updated to oneiric app-install-data, Deja Dup doesn't show up as I'd like.  It shows up as "Backup" (like it does in the UI).  But in the context of software-center, I'd prefer it show as "Deja Dup Backup Tool" so people know what they are getting.  Is there a custom desktop key I can add?
[15:52] <tremolux> mterry: hey! so, did you change your desktop file?
[15:53] <mterry> tremolux, yes, to show as merely "Backup" (part of the effort of blending into the OS better)
[15:53] <tremolux> mterry: ah
[15:53] <mterry> tremolux, that works for once you have it installed, but in the context of software-center, where it is one of many apps, I figure something more explicit makes sense
[15:53] <tremolux> mterry: yep
[15:53] <mterry> tremolux, sort of like how "Calculator" should probably appear in U-S-C as "GNOME Calculator" or something
[15:54] <mterry> Maybe...
[15:54] <mterry> tremolux, is there a key for that already, or should I file a feature request?
[15:55] <tremolux> mterry: yeah, I don't think there is such a thing currently, I'll check to be sure
[15:59] <tremolux> mterry: so you changed X-GNOME-FullName to "Backup" ?
[16:00] <mterry> tremolux, well, I dropped it morelike.  That key will be shown in the UI, so it wouldn't fulfill the goal of a different name in the UI and USC
[16:00] <tremolux> mterry: yeah
[16:01] <mterry> tremolux, I'd like something like X-Ubuntu-Software-Center-Name or X-Specific-Name or something
[16:01] <tremolux> mterry: yep, so there's not something like that now, but it's easy to implement
[16:02] <mterry> tremolux, OK, will file a bug
[16:02] <tremolux> mterry: sounds good!
[16:27] <jcastro> mterry: woo, bye synaptic!
[16:27] <mterry> jcastro, :)  glad to see it gone finally
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> where's it gone?
[16:28] <mterry> chrisccoulson, a nice farm where it'll be taken care of
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:28] <mterry> chrisccoulson, no, just off CD
[16:28] <james_w> you can't ever go visit it though
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> oh, i just looked at oneiric-changes ;)
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> mterry, your changelog is missing "Added thunderbird to desktop-recommends"
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[16:29] <mterry> chrisccoulson, were's my check?
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> if, by "check" you actually mean "guinness", then it's in dublin ;)
[16:30] <mterry> heh
[16:36] <seb128> jcastro, mterry: synaptic is not off the CD yet
[16:36] <seb128> somebody needs to make apturl stop using it first before that
[16:36] <mterry> ah...
[16:36] <seb128> (pitti cleaned software-properties yesterday)
[16:37] <mpt> cyphermox, hi, did you get any feedback from the security team about the firewall settings? <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricDesktopNetworkEnhancementsSpec#Design>
[16:37] <cyphermox> mpt, sorry, no. let's do this now?
[16:38] <cyphermox> (or at the sprint?)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, is anything other than ubufox pulling apturl on to the CD?
[16:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no
[16:38] <seb128> it's all your fault again!
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, pants :(
[16:39] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are keeping synaptic on the CD!
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> i guess what i really need to do is to rewrite the plugin finder to use sessioninstaller
[16:39] <seb128> which is ironic because you are the one who needs the space ;-)
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> but i hadn't really planned any time for it ;)
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> how big is synaptic?
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> as big as thunderbird? ;)
[16:39] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: you're going to end up paying out alot of guiness
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:39] <seb128> less than a mb
[16:40] <seb128> so "not close" ;-)
[16:40] <jcastro> he's probably way more doomed than one meg
[16:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, sessioninstaller, nice that you mention it
[16:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, bug #801202 is yours if you want to ;-)
[16:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 801202 in sessioninstaller "Should use gobject introspection (GTK3)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801202
[16:41] <seb128> just opened it today, grab it while it's fresh ;-)
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> so, the snaptic package is still around 700kB. i'm not sure what the is equivalent to on the CD, but it doesn't sound *that* insignificant
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> i should probably spend some time at the rally next week to rid ubufox of apturl
[16:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, deb space ~= CD space usually
[16:42] <seb128> they compress about the same
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> rather than making apturl not use synaptic
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> seb128, so, 700kB would be nice
[16:42] <seb128> indeed
[16:42] <mpt> cyphermox, how can I help unblock you?
[16:43] <cyphermox> mpt, after all, care to look for the feedback about your design? I know I offered but this will cut the middle-man and I'm trying to finish up all I have to do with usb_modeswitch before the spring
[16:43] <mpt> chrisccoulson, would anything visible change about what happens when you click an <apt:whatever> link?
[16:43] <cyphermox> *sprint
[16:43] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: see, oneconf is better, it's only 23kB! :)
[16:43] <seb128> mpt, hi
[16:44] <seb128> mpt, do you know what's the status on bug #588200
[16:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 588200 in system-config-printer "Replace standard printing applet with indicator" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588200
[16:44] <mpt> seb128, it's one of my work items to design that
[16:44] <seb128> mpt, should that have a design component?
[16:45] <mpt> seb128, yes, I'll reassign it once I've written it up
[16:45] <seb128> mpt, ok, thanks
[16:45] <seb128> mpt, I just wanted to check that it didn't get forgotten on the way ;-)
[16:46] <mpt> Ah, I spy a problem
[16:46] <mpt> It's a "High" importance bug report linked to a "Low" importance blueprint
[16:46] <mpt> So the work item shows up as "Low" when perhaps it shouldn't
[16:47] <seb128> mpt, well, we whitelisted the systray icon so I'm fine with "low" from a platform perspective
[16:47] <seb128> mpt, but from a design perspective if you want to get no systray use it might be higher ;-)
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> mpt - clicking an apt: link opens software-center doesn't it?
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> firefox should just use the default handler for that
[16:47] <seb128> what is apturl doing exactly?
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ubufox calls it to install browser plugins, but it calls apturl directly rather than relying on the default handler
[16:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, does it have its own ui to install those or what?
[16:49] <mpt> chrisccoulson, it's rather a nuisance that Firefox brings up the dialog asking you if it's okay to use something you (in general) have probably never heard of called "xdg-open" to open the link. Is there a way to whitelist it?
[16:49] <seb128> I mean what does it do that sessioninstaller, aptdaemon and s-c don't do?
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it doesn't have any UI for indicating progress (it relies on apturl to do that)
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> mpt, when does that happen? that sounds like a separate issue
[16:50] <mpt> chrisccoulson, sorry, I'm out of date. I just tried it again and it asked me to confirm launching Ubuntu Software Center.
[16:51] <mpt> cyphermox, ubuntu-hardened@?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> mpt, yeah. it should display the correct name of the application now, as a nice side effect of fixing bug 727372
[16:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 727372 in firefox "FF 4 requires both .desktop and gconf entries for url handlers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727372
[16:52] <mpt> chrisccoulson, next step to show the icon too? :-)
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> mpt, yeah, i planned to do that as well
[16:52] <mpt> neat
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> it's just not very high priority :/
[16:54]  * mpt wonders why Thunderbird persists in thinking that Chromium is the default browser, when everything else recognizes that Firefox is
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> mpt, which version of thunderbird?
[16:56] <mpt> chrisccoulson, 3.1.10
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> mpt - i bet if you open gnome-default-application-properties, close it again and then restart thunderbird, it might start working ;)
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> i think that's probably because the old thunderbird still uses gnomevfs
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> although, i thought we fixed most cases of this already
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> in any case, the new thunderbird does things correctly
[17:15] <mpt> cyphermox, message sent
[17:22] <mpt> chrisccoulson, I'm impressed at how you use "I bet" and "might" in the same sentence, ;-) but no, that doesn't work
[17:23] <mpt> I'll try again after a logout
[17:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you have a bug about tb indicator-messages integration?
[17:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did that land in oneiric yet?
[17:37] <seb128> just wondering if bug #367175 is a duplicate or should be closed
[17:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 367175 in thunderbird "thunderbird not using indicator applet" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367175
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm going to look at why the indicator doesn't work properly before i upload anything
[17:37] <seb128> ok
[18:03]  * didrocks waves goodnight
[19:07] <LLStarks> cjwatson, is upstart 1.3 waiting for anything? i think it hosed normal booting.
[19:56] <seb128> rickspencer3, do you still care about pygame? do you have any clue or opinion on bug #777417
[19:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 777417 in pygame "Unity launcher doesn't work well with Python Pygame apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777417
[19:57] <seb128> not sure if that's the sort of thing that should be fixed in pygame?
[20:20] <seb128> does anybody know the name of an usb sniffer?
[20:21] <seb128> i.e something to watch what's going on between a device and the computer when you connect it
[20:24] <kenvandine> seb128, not me...
[20:25] <seb128> kenvandine, not really a desktopish topic but I got asked by somebody I know so I said I would ask around if somebody else knows ;-)
[20:27] <dobey> seb128: on linux, or on windows?
[20:28] <seb128> linux if possible but if you have a name for windows that might still be useful ;-)
[20:28] <dobey> i installed one on windows a while back. let me reboot my laptop and see what it was
[20:29] <seb128> dobey, thanks
[20:29] <dobey> ugh, why does lightdm not do the shutdown/restart stuff correctly
[20:30] <kenvandine> seb128, mind if i update eds to 3.1.2?
[20:30] <kenvandine> not sure why i considered touching the eds package... it FTBFS now :/
[20:30] <dobey> heh
[20:30] <kenvandine> not my fault... it FTBFS without my tiny change :)
[20:31] <seb128> kenvandine, does it? in any case you know what happen to people uploading packages nobody else want to deal with? :)
[20:31] <kenvandine> i know... :/
[20:31] <kenvandine> but i need the ebook gir included in the package :)
[20:31] <dobey> seb128: snoopypro
[20:31] <seb128> joke aside go for it, we said we would upgrade to GNOME 3.1
[20:31] <seb128> dobey, thanks
[20:31] <kenvandine> seb128, will do
[20:32]  * kenvandine wonders what will break :)
[20:32] <dobey> the world
[20:32] <seb128> kenvandine, well if you update e-d-s you probably need to update evo with it ;-)
[20:32] <kenvandine> yeah... i know
[20:32] <seb128> kenvandine, or see if cyphermox wants to do that for you in exchange for a beer
[20:32] <kenvandine> full of happy news here...
[20:33] <seb128> he has been maintaining those for a bit and he's looking for one extra ack for his desktop upload
[20:33] <cyphermox> huh?
[20:33] <seb128> cyphermox, want to update the evo stack to 3.1, get sponsoring by kenvandine and maybe get the missing ack for your uploads? ;-)
[20:33] <cyphermox> ah, yes, exchange
[20:33] <kenvandine> cyphermox, eds fails to build now... i am trying to update it to 3.1.2
[20:33] <seb128> cyphermox, no, e-d-s, evo ...
[20:33] <seb128> updating to the new unstable serie ;-)
[20:34] <cyphermox> yes, should be fun
[20:34] <kenvandine> cyphermox, woot
[20:34] <cyphermox> (and has a risk of making evo work better)
[20:34] <kenvandine> cyphermox, let me push my branch i started for eds
[20:34] <cyphermox> ok
[20:34] <kenvandine> i kind of urgently need it built with the ebook gir file included
[20:34] <cyphermox> ok
[20:34]  * kenvandine overheated his laaptop again trying to build it :)
[20:35] <cyphermox> so you say e-d-s is already pretty much done right?
[20:35] <kenvandine> cyphermox, dunno ... maybe :)
[20:35]  * cyphermox welcomes a change from C.... project ;)
[20:35] <kenvandine> i think it was about done building it overheated here...
[20:35] <kenvandine> i'll push my branch and you can take over :)
[20:35] <kenvandine> :-D
[20:36] <cyphermox> it actually overheated? O.o?
[20:36] <kenvandine> yes...
[20:36] <seb128> cyphermox, it might give you desktop upload rights as well, sorry about that stalling, I was sort of waiting for a few extra uploads to comment but there was not a lot of sponsoring recently
[20:36] <kenvandine> it happens everytime i build gtk too
[20:36] <cyphermox> seb128: it's alright. I haven't touched new packages lately, really busy with usb_modeswitch, as I mentioned a couple of times ;)
[20:36] <kenvandine> seb128, what is up with these .xz files on gnome.org?
[20:37] <kenvandine> i extracted it and recreated a .gz
[20:37] <seb128> cyphermox, indeed ;-)
[20:37] <cyphermox> kenvandine, branch?
[20:37] <seb128> kenvandine, don't
[20:37] <seb128> kenvandine, we package .bz2 nowadays, .xz is the next generation ones
[20:37] <kenvandine> cyphermox, just a sec, booting :)
[20:37] <cyphermox> seb128: it's almost done btw, down to 1 small function and main (but main is huge)
[20:38] <cyphermox> oh, mbiebl asked a few days ago on #nm; do we support .xz in the archive now?
[20:38] <kenvandine> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/evolution-data-server/ubuntu/
[20:38] <kenvandine> cyphermox, ^^
[20:38] <seb128> kenvandine, GNOME IS (olav) is wanting to move to .xz to save mirror space, bandwith etc, so they switch from .gz .bz2 to .bz2 .xz this cycle
[20:38] <kenvandine> let me know when you need it sponsored
[20:38] <seb128> they will do .xz only after 3.2
[20:39] <seb128> cyphermox, yes, I pinged around about this when GNOME said they would switch and cjwatson fixed the remaining bits before natty
[20:39] <seb128> not sure it got real world confirmation but the bug was closed as fixed
[20:40] <kenvandine> seb128, does AutostartCondition work with gsettings?
[20:41] <seb128> kenvandine, yes
[20:41] <kenvandine> i just found one place i hadn't removed gconf
[20:41] <seb128> nautilus-autostart.desktop:AutostartCondition=GSettings org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons
[20:41] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ one example
[20:41] <kenvandine> awesome
[20:41] <kenvandine> thx
[20:41] <seb128> yw
[20:42] <kenvandine> that will be the last gconf reference in gwibber :)
[20:43] <kenvandine> done!
[20:43] <kenvandine> :-D
[20:44] <seb128> ;-)
[20:44] <cyphermox> kenvandine, do you have logs for the ftbfs?
[20:46] <kenvandine> cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/631367/
[20:46] <kenvandine> that was 3.0.2.1 though
[20:46] <kenvandine> i think 3.1.2 builds
[20:46] <kenvandine> it was generating the docs when my laptop shutdown
[20:46] <cyphermox> oh, i see
[20:47] <kenvandine> so my branch might just work :)
[20:47] <cyphermox> I'll know soon, just getting the dependencies now
[20:47] <kenvandine> you confirm and update evolution too... and i'll sponsor them for you
[20:47] <cyphermox> ok
[21:05] <rickspencer3> seb128, I htink if there is an easy place in pygame to set the correct property, we should patch pygame
[21:06] <rickspencer3> otherwise, we should provide some guidance to app authors for how to do it themselves
[21:06] <rickspencer3> seb128, but I don't 100% understand the problem
[21:07] <seb128> rickspencer3, ok, I think I was basically pointing it in case some cares enough to do that or to raise it to upstream if they know those guys
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3!
[21:08] <seb128> rickspencer3, the issue is basically that to match something on screen to its process or .desktop you need infos
[21:08] <seb128> like xproperties or others
[21:13] <cyphermox> kenvandine: ftbfs. groupwise was split out
[21:14] <kenvandine> ah
[21:14] <kenvandine> seb128, just marked the gsettings bug fix committed for gwibber :)
[21:16] <cyphermox> kenvandine: just about done, I'll test build and see if evo still runs
[21:29] <seb128> kenvandine, great!
[22:54] <cyphermox> kenvandine: lp:~mathieu-tl/evolution-data-server/3.1.2
[22:55] <cyphermox> I need to go have dinner now, but I should be back in a few hours to tackle evo and the others
[22:57] <cyphermox> huh, wow. I would have thought evo to run a little bit better even if it's a new unstable version