=== asac_ is now known as asac === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === smspillaz|z is now known as smspillaz [07:25] good morning [07:27] pitti: guten morgen :) if you have some time, unity would need some binNEWing :) [07:30] pitti: oh forgot that it's a national holiday for you, sorry for the notice :) [07:41] Hey didrocks. [07:42] ola TheMuso! Did you have some time to try Qt + a11y? [07:42] didrocks: Just installed it now, but not sure what I should test with. :) [07:43] TheMuso: you have some examples shipped with, qt and qml apps, you can as well try launching any qt app with the env variable [07:43] fair enough [07:47] * TheMuso can't work out how to build the examples... [07:48] nm worked it out. [07:49] Working well, except for a few things like a multiline text view and some lists. [07:49] * TheMuso used the simple example found in qt-at-spi. [07:50] didrocks: So working well [07:50] TheMuso: nice :) we should then gather a list of feedback and send that to the Nokia guy, (like the multiline text and the lists) [07:50] Yup. [07:51] TheMuso: do you want me to forward that to them if you can gather that? (I have some small other things to ask them) [07:51] didrocks: Sure, I am almost done for today, but I will do that tomorrow, and do some reviewing in accerciser as well. [07:51] TheMuso: excellent, I'll send an email today then, CCing you and we can start the discussion :) [07:51] Sounds good. [07:52] I'm pushing Qt to oneiric and qt-at-spi today then! [07:52] Sweet. [08:09] * TheMuso EOD, time to go and start packing. [08:11] TheMuso: see you! [08:23] good morning everyone [08:27] hey chrisccoulson! how are you? [08:27] hi didrocks. i'm good thanks, how are you? [08:28] chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks! Making my laptop in pain as debuild -S Qt (taking 25 minutes here) ;) [08:29] lol [08:29] i'm glad i don't have to maintain qt ;) [08:30] compiz… qt, when will this ends up? :-) [08:31] i think micahg volunteered to maintain compiz yesterday, when he took over maintaining nspluginwrapper ;) [08:34] hey all [08:34] didrocks: unity binNEW> sure, looking [08:34] pitti: hey, don't fell force, I'll ask to seb once he's online. You should enjoy your day off! :-) [08:34] chrisccoulson: oh, good news! :-) [08:34] oh, and lots of indicator bits in NEW as well [08:35] didrocks: that's fine; just brought my wife to the train station, so I'm back home [08:35] * didrocks adds micahg to ~compiz and run away :) [08:35] didrocks: I want to do some garden work today, but it's still raining [08:35] pitti: thanks :-) [08:35] oh? :/ [08:35] and I want to plan a bikeshed [08:35] (cloudy here, but fortunatly, not rainy) [08:35] nice to do bikeshedding for real for a change :) [08:36] heh, this should be the only bikeshedding we shold know :) [08:36] we had a nice bbq with all the neighbors yesterday; it rained half of the time, but we got some umbrellas, and it was lots of fun [08:36] pitti: I hope that the bbq was more protected than with just umbrellas :) [08:37] or you would have eaten cold food :) [08:37] yeah, it was under a roof [08:40] (qt-at-spi uploaded \o/ will need NEWing. Prepping the MIR) [08:52] kenvandine: indicator-me-gtk2 binNEW review> why does this depend on libdbusmenu-gtk3? [08:53] morning [08:53] pitti - libdbusmenu-gtk3 is actually the gtk2 version isn't it? [08:54] libdbusmenu-gtk3-3 is the gtk3 version, i think [08:54] ah, how confusing [08:54] pitti - yeah, it is a bit ;) [08:56] kenvandine: why does indicator-session have lots of icons, but i-session-gtk2 doesn't have them? [08:56] I guess a matrix is needed :) [08:58] W: libunity-core-4.0-1: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libunity-core-4.0-4 [08:58] hmm [08:58] hey [08:58] didrocks: lintian reports tons of spelling errors in unity, perhaps you can fix them? [08:58] hey seb128 [08:58] pitti, guten tag, aren't you supposed to be on holidays? ;-) [08:58] W: unity-common: desktop-command-not-in-package /usr/share/applications/unity-preferences.desktop unity-preferences [08:59] didrocks: ^ forgotten in .install? [08:59] seb128: erm, yes [08:59] binNEWing doesn't count as holidays? [08:59] pitti, that warning is likely "bin is in unity, .desktop in common" [08:59] pitti: hum, really? I thought I cleaned the lintian warnings yesterday [08:59] pitti: right, the desktop file is in common, the binary in unity [08:59] where the .desktop should not be in common [08:59] didrocks: but libunity-core-4.0-1 shipping soname 4 and being named -1 sounds more serious [08:59] didrocks: want me to reject to get that fixed? [09:00] pitti: sure please [09:00] lut didrocks [09:00] hum, I'm afraid that last commit I backported rechanged *again* the soname :/ [09:00] salut seb128 [09:00] ok, oneiric NEW is down from 80 to 18 [09:00] 4 soname change for one release is too much… [09:00] seb128: pitti: so you prefer the desktop file in unity, not in -common? [09:00] didrocks: no, that's fine [09:01] I just spotted the lintian error, I didnt' check the dependency [09:01] it's just a bit weird to have u-common depend on u [09:01] but no biggue [09:01] * didrocks still wonders why he didn't see those errors yesterday, normally, I check them closely [09:01] biggie [09:01] didrocks, well that's what is recommended I think because it avoids things like "I uninstalled unity but nothing cleaned -common and now I've a desktop file not matching any binary" [09:02] yes, in that case -common should depend on unity [09:02] circular depends? [09:02] unity deps on -common, so no :) [09:02] let's try to avoid circular dep [09:02] let's put the desktop file in the bin then [09:02] then I'd also prefer moving the .desktop file [09:03] pitti: can I reupload with the same version or should I bump as the binaries are rejected? (will the source be overwritten?) [09:03] \o/ gtk3 indicators [09:03] with some gsettings porting on the way [09:03] didrocks, you need to update the version [09:03] ok [09:04] didrocks: you need to bump -- the source is already in the archive after all [09:04] didrocks, the source is published so you can't use the version again [09:04] didrocks: you just don't need conflicts/replaces for the rejected binaries [09:04] using the same version work only for things which are not source newed [09:04] or in unapproved during freezes [09:06] ok, so njpatel fixed the soname the other way around we agreed, should have checked with the last commit… [09:06] sorry about that [09:06] is debian going to package 3.1.x soon? [09:18] hey rodrigo_ [09:18] rodrigo_, I doubt so, they usually don't have the manpower to track unstable series [09:18] rodrigo_, why? [09:18] rodrigo_, could you check on bug #796578 [09:18] ? [09:18] Launchpad bug 796578 in gsettings-desktop-schemas "org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.gschema.xml references undefined child schema org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.at" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/796578 [09:19] vuntz|afk, hey, could you review the patch on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168718 when you have time ? [09:19] seb128, because I wanted to update g-desktop, so I just do it on our branch then, right? [09:19] Gnome bug 168718 in general "libwnck skimps on an access to XClassHint components" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:19] seb128, ok, looking [09:20] rodrigo_, yes [09:20] rodrigo_, be careful there is a soname change in the new gnome-desktop, maybe ask for a review before uploadin [09:20] seb128, ok [09:20] seb128, also, there's an API change in one method, a new arg added, so I'm first checking where it's used [09:21] rodrigo_, well that's fine, if the soname changes we will need to transition all the rdepends anyway [09:21] ah ok [09:22] rodrigo_, oh, while I'm at, bug #800561 as well [09:22] Launchpad bug 800561 in gnome-control-center "No way to add other keymap than english on Live CD" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800561 [09:23] should I just assign that to you? I think you where working on that capplet recently? [09:23] it seems to work fine on my system, maybe a missing depends or something? [09:23] I will try to check on the bug and update it if I figure something [09:23] yay, ubuntu-defaults-builder finally built and is in binNEW [09:24] oh, pitti already assigned it to you [09:25] pitti, \o/ [09:25] seb128, yes, looking now at both bugs (one at a time, that is :-) [09:25] the gsettings-desktop-schemas one is already fixed in git,s o just adding the patch now [09:25] rodrigo_, yeah no hurry, sorry about the morning spam, I'm just going through the night backlog in my mailboxes [09:25] rodrigo_, thanks [09:26] rodrigo_, btw I'm done with the backlog so no other surprise for you ;-) [09:27] :) [09:39] oh man, down to 40% capacity now [09:40] my battery is not going to last the rally next week ;) [09:40] it's dying a rather rapid death [09:40] i think it's time for a new laptop! [09:42] jibel, so you can open the region capplet on the current iso? [09:42] jibel, rodrigo_: so I need to rsync the current iso but on the one week old iso I have the region capplet doesn't start because accountsservice is not on the CD [09:42] chrisccoulson, get a chromebook ;) they claim you don't even need to carry the charger with you [09:43] still blocking on the SRU [09:44] seb128, right, no answer from kees on the bug, afaics, will ping him [09:44] rodrigo_, yeah, don't worry, we will corner him next week if needed ;-) [09:44] :) [09:45] seb128, I can. [09:45] jibel: can you try if installing accountsservice on the liveCD fixes the issue? [09:46] jibel, you should be able to enable the universe source and install it [09:46] jibel, oh, also do you know when the sound indicator issue started? [09:49] seb128, here is the error when I launch the region capplet: region-cc-panel-WARNING **: Failed to list existing users: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Accounts was not provided by any .service files [09:49] seb128, I install accountsservice [09:49] jibel, thanks [09:53] seb128, I don't know when it started. I saw that this morning while reviewing Oneiric's bug queue. [09:54] jibel, don't worry, I was just wondering if that's the recent ido update or an indicator issue [09:54] will sort it out with dx [09:56] seb128, talking about sound, a dev should have a look at bug 791183 too. [09:56] Launchpad bug 791183 in indicator-sound "volume indicator not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791183 [09:56] jibel, it's called "sound indicator" btw ;-) right, could be due to the same updates [09:56] will check with kenvandine [09:57] pitti: ubuntu-defaults-builder binNEWed and new unity uploaded, hopefully will be soon built! (cleaned all lintian warning I can clean, just one man page missing upstream) [09:57] ups [10:00] seb128, installing accountsservice removes the warning, but I'm still unable to add a layout unless clicking on 'reset to defaults'. I'll comment the bug report. [10:00] jibel, ok thanks, that was worth a try ;-) === korn_ is now known as c_korn [10:59] rodrigo_, [11:00] ./tomboy-1.6.1/Tomboy/Addins/WebSyncService/Api/ProxiedWebRequest.cs: "/system/http_proxy [11:00] ./gnome-applets-2.91.4~20110321/invest-applet/invest/__init__.py: host = client.get_string("/system/http_proxy/host") [11:00] ./liferea-1.6.4/src/conf.h:#define GNOME_USE_PROXY "/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy" /* old GNOME proxy enabling key * [11:01] then the ones I listed yesterday [11:01] e-d-s, rb [11:02] ./seahorse-3.0.2/pgp/seahorse-hkp-source.c:#define GCONF_USE_HTTP_PROXY "/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy" [11:03] rodrigo_, doing a run for universe now [11:06] seb128, do you know where I can find the dev package for libido3 ? [11:06] ronoc, in oneiric [11:06] seb128, only there ? [11:06] yes [11:06] ah i just wanted to test mterry's port [11:06] it's about time to upgrade to oneiric ;-) [11:06] never [11:07] until after the alpha :) [11:07] ronoc, joke aside that will rely on a GTK3 unity etc [11:07] seb128, ok i'll do all the updating next week [11:07] ronoc, that doesn't work, you can't block everybody this way, ted upgraded this week [11:07] ronoc, your indicator is the only one blocking unity on gtk3 [11:07] i'm about to merge [11:08] great ;-) [11:08] ronoc, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ido/0.2.90-0ubuntu1 [11:08] you can try to get the binaries from there [11:08] but they might not work with the gtk3 in natty [11:08] you might need a newer one [11:08] seb128, ok [11:08] seb128, ok thanks [11:09] rodrigo_, [11:09] ./bug-buddy-2.31.92/src/bug-buddy.c:#define USE_PROXY_KEY "/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy" [11:09] ./muine-0.8.11/src/GnomeProxy.cs: private const string GConfProxyPath = "/system/http_proxy"; [11:09] ./sound-juicer-2.32.1+20110330/libjuicer/sj-metadata-musicbrainz3.c:#define GCONF_PROXY_USE_PROXY "/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy" [11:09] ./gnome-gmail-notifier-0.10.1/src/ggn-prefs.h:#define GGN_GCONF_PROXY_HOST "/system/http_proxy/host" [11:09] seb128, I guess it's enough to justify keeping the g-s-d plugin :) [11:09] ./drivel-3.0.3/src/journal.c: dc->id.proxy_id = gconf_client_notify_add (dc->client, "/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy", proxy_changed_cb, [11:09] rodrigo_, indeed ;-) [11:09] seb128, but yes, will have a look at porting some of those to gsettings [11:10] rodrigo_, don't bother with universe ones [11:10] rodrigo_, but i.e seahorse could be nice [11:10] or liferea [11:10] yeah, I'll have a look at those at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gnome3-gsettings [11:10] ah, seahotse is not there [11:10] rodrigo_, I will add it [11:10] I'm still filing bugs [11:10] ok, thanks [11:10] rodrigo_, you have a better list on the etherpad [11:11] ah, much better yeah [11:16] hum [11:16] why is firefox depending on python-gtk2? [11:21] chrisccoulson, it's your fault! [11:22] it's all my fault! [11:22] indeed [11:22] it's currently used for the profile migrator script, for people that have used the nightlies [11:22] but i'm going to just remove it [11:22] why is firefox depending on python-gtk2? [11:22] it doesn't make any sense any more [11:22] thanks ;-) [11:22] do you need a bug for it? [11:22] seb128, no, i was going to drop it any way [11:23] ok [11:23] thanks ;-) [11:23] that was easier that I though ;-) [11:23] but thunderbird is a higher priority for me :P [11:23] (especially seeing as everyone will be using chromium soon!) [11:23] ;) [11:23] they will use gmail in chromium as well [11:23] heh [11:23] don't bother with emails clients :p [11:24] rodrigo_: the "application at startup" isn't ported in g-c-c yet, right? [11:25] didrocks, you mean the old g-session-properties? [11:25] right [11:25] (with session saving and all this fun stuff) [11:26] didrocks, I have a branch in g-c-c git about adding it, and the design is being discussed (https://live.gnome.org/Design/Proposals/Autostart), but I am starting to like the idea of not having that UI and just have a menu entry for launchers in g-shell/unity [11:27] rodrigo_, how would you know what softwares are in the autostart list? [11:27] rodrigo_: anyway, g-s-p will be removed as it is? [11:27] didrocks, I don't think there is any plan for the "save session" in g-c-c [11:27] what rodrigo_ is working on is the autostarts [11:28] seb128, we might need an API in glib, or the shell/unity can just check it [11:28] seb128: well, as we will remove it from ui, if the ui is going away, I'll remove it [11:28] I won't* remove it [11:28] didrocks, not removed, it's still around afaik, but there's no launcher for it [11:28] rodrigo_, well, but where would they display the list? [11:28] rodrigo_, having to figure what icons to right click on is not user friendly ;-) [11:28] seb128, no list, launchers would show it [11:29] hum [11:29] ah, you mean for disabling an autostart app [11:29] yes [11:29] that might be tricky indeed [11:29] ok, I'll remove the GUI option then, not blacklist it by command line (even if I didn't find a switch equivalent to gnome-session-save) [11:29] seb128, add a comment to https://live.gnome.org/Design/Proposals/Autostart [11:29] seb128, I'll add it myself [11:29] rodrigo_, thanks [11:29] didrocks, seems good [11:31] seb128, will release later with that gtk3 port merged [11:31] ronoc, thanks [11:32] ronoc, well that can wait next week if you prefer time for testing [11:32] seb128, will i merged to trunk already [11:32] ronoc, I doubt we will land a new unity today or tomorrow with the service switched to gtk3 now [11:32] seb128, ok [11:32] so we can as well look at that together on monday [11:33] seb128, ok sound, I'll get an oneric partition ready in the interim [11:33] ronoc, btw dunno if you saw but jibel said the sound indicator is broken in current oneiric [11:33] he opened a bug about that earlier [11:33] seb128, i saw something about the metadata disappeared [11:34] seb128, I need to move over to oneric now [11:34] ok [11:34] good luck ;-) [11:34] thanks :) [11:34] session restart, brb === ronoc is now known as ronoc|asleep === ronoc|asleep is now known as ronoc [12:49] seb128, the gnome-desktop3 branch for review -> https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-desktop3/3_1_2_release/+merge/65642 [12:49] rodrigo_, thanks [12:50] rodrigo_, you need to update the -dev depends in the control.in as well [12:51] in the rules you need to update the shlibs line for the new binary name [12:53] rodrigo_, the .symbols first line needs to be updated as well [12:57] seb128, oh, ok [12:59] seb128, pushing [12:59] just grep'ed for the old name to make sure there was nothing else, seems it's ok now === abhinav_ is now known as abhinav- [13:22] lunch, bbl === braiam is now known as Exi-o- === Exi-o- is now known as Braiam [13:41] * mterry wonders why indicator-session isn't appearing in his panel [13:42] mterry, do you have indicator-session-gtk2 installed? [13:42] mterry: you can wait for it appearing and do a quick MIR review in the same time? :p [13:43] seb128, no I have the new gtk3 one. It's on my disk, just not getting loaded [13:43] didrocks, which MIR? [13:43] mterry, loaded by what? [13:43] seb128, by unity 4.0 [13:43] mterry: this fresh new one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-at-spi/+bug/801080 :) [13:43] mterry, neither unity nor indicator-applet are on gtk3 [13:43] Ubuntu bug 801080 in qt-at-spi "[MIR] qt-at-spi" [Undecided,New] [13:44] mterry, unity 4 has it panel service still on gtk2 [13:44] seb128, oh! I got fooled [13:44] seb128, yup, I don't have the gtk2 one [13:44] mterry, njpatel said it's like 5 lines to do gtk3 but he was waiting on indicators to be available to test [13:44] mterry, we will switch and clean next week [13:44] It's always "5-lines" until the 500-line diff! [13:44] ;-) [13:45] njpatel, don't worry we will keep you locked until it's done [13:45] njpatel, can be 500 lines that's not an issue [13:45] seb128, heh, you can try! [13:45] and 0 don't count! [13:45] :-) [13:45] seb128, it really shouldn't be that hard, but I'm sure I'm missing something or ted has decided to break everything [13:46] seb128, also, I need to make things hard for didrocks, of course :) [13:46] njpatel, it's only code, how hard can it be [13:46] njpatel: where will be the pleasure otherwise? :) [13:46] * njpatel adds a new dep for nux: unity! [13:46] already the dual dep is fun :) [13:46] njpatel, didrocks is hidding in shame since you changed the unity lib soname in a commit [13:46] njpatel, which he backported without updating the packaging [13:46] seb128, aaah, bad didrocks ! [13:46] * njpatel runs [13:46] njpatel, so give him a break, it's enough for a man in a week ;-) [13:46] njpatel: seb128: well, I caught 3 soname change in commits [13:47] just not the latest :) [13:47] * didrocks blames upstream [13:47] haha [13:47] :-) [13:47] we are terrible :) [13:47] it's like for qt things with agateau. Before releasing something, he changed the licensing 3 times! :) [13:48] dx seems to want messing with packagers :-) [13:48] njpatel: next time, I won't be trapped and I will have my revenge at the rally! [13:48] didrocks: and I am about to change those one more time! [13:48] \o/ [13:48] didrocks, hehe [13:48] * njpatel get's ready to add a new lib with a silly soname [13:49] njpatel: you try try "njpatel1é as soname [13:50] I heard that even some people are using their name on dbus :p [13:55] Is doko not around this week? [13:57] mterry, not sure, he's not on leave on the calendar at least [13:57] mterry: no, you want that review for success and praise! :-) [13:58] mterry, get didrocks to review u1-couch in exchange of the review you do for him [13:58] mterry, it's fair trading and you workaround the doko issue ;-) [13:58] eh it feels like stealing it from doko, but I'll do what it takes ;) [13:58] didrocks, you got some time? [13:59] * didrocks feels a trap [13:59] didrocks, well, he's the one not responding so it's only fair ;-) [13:59] * didrocks whistles [13:59] mterry: so, now that I removed desktopcouch from oneconf, I need to look at couch things again? ;) [14:00] didrocks, this is barely couch [14:00] didrocks, more like seat [14:00] lol [14:00] is it confortable? :) [14:00] didrocks, well as long as it comes with a beer say yes ;-) [14:00] * mterry is suspiciously silent [14:01] * seb128 hugs nessita [14:01] nessita, thanks for triaging my bug ;-) [14:01] seb128: heh! [14:01] nessita, do you come to the rally next week btw? [14:02] seb128: I want to work on that bug, but I keep getting assigned other tasks :-( [14:02] seb128: no... I will you though [14:02] i will miss* you :-P [14:02] same here [14:02] mterry: if you need it, I can have a look now :) [14:03] didrocks, last thing holding up deja-dup: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/491644 [14:03] Ubuntu bug 491644 in deja-dup "[MIR] deja-dup and friends" [Wishlist,In progress] [14:03] and friends? deja-dup is seat friendly then? : ) [14:04] :) [14:08] nessita: hey, are you aware of an issue where we can ask for a glib timeout for a sso credential and never receive the signal callback? === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:12] didrocks, these qt-at-spi tests don't seem designed to run during build time, is that true? [14:12] mterry: no, because they are using dbus and they create some X windows :/ [14:13] didrocks, creating X windows is fine ;) [14:13] chrisccoulson: for buildds? [14:13] firefox runs the entire browser during its unit tests [14:13] (on the buildd's) [14:13] sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 [14:13] oupss [14:13] waow [14:13] didrocks, xvfb-run ftw ;) [14:13] :) [14:13] didrocks, xvfb? [14:13] indeed :) [14:13] that's what i.e pygtk does [14:13] ok, didn't know it [14:14] didrocks, yeah, the mochitest suite runs a full browser (and a simulated http server), and can do pretty much anything (eg, simulating input events etc) [14:14] that's nice to know :) [14:14] mterry: run-tests isn't runned in ubuntuone-couch build time as well, right? [14:15] hum, I should get popcorns while I watch didrocks and mterry counting points ;-) [14:15] seb128: some people are working, other are slackering :p [14:15] :) [14:16] didrocks: hey there! I'm not completely sure what you're asking. What I do know is that our current sso client does not work on O due to keyring API changes, dobey is working on fixing that [14:16] didrocks: does that answer your question? /me guess no [14:16] it's not the client, I'm using the sso API and in natty or oneiric, when I request for credential, sometimes, I don't get the callback [14:16] didrocks, actually, run-tests does look like it spawns an xvfb session. It might actually be runnable on a build server [14:16] nessita: I have an example if you want [14:17] mterry: right [14:18] mterry: in u1couch? it doesn't need xvfb… if run-tests has that, i'd consider it a bug [14:19] dobey, well it does have it [14:19] nessita: bzr branch lp:oneconf ; cd oneconf/oneconf/networksync ; python ssohandler.py [14:20] mterry: ok, i'm pretty sure u1couch has no GUI, so it shouldn't be required :) [14:20] nessita: there is a first authentification call, which works 100% of the time, the a g_timeout_add_seconds for 10s which tries again to authentify. This one work 50% of the time (getting the dbus signal as answer) [14:22] mterry: ok, all looks fine for u1-couch, bonus point to run the testsuite, but I won't block on that [14:22] oh wait! [14:22] W: ubuntuone-couch source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.1 (current is 3.9.2) [14:22] no, I can't, it's too much :-) [14:22] * mterry will buy one less beer for didrocks now [14:22] mterry: ok promoting ;) [14:22] :) [14:22] didrocks: oh [14:23] didrocks: the ussoc service shutdown after 10 seconds of inactivity [14:23] nessita: ok, so it can receive the signal, but still tells "ok bye" [14:23] it's like if you enter a store and "too late, we're closing" :) [14:23] but still taking the request, just not answering ;) [14:24] didrocks: we have a counter that is increased after each request and decreased after each response... so not sure how that can happen [14:24] didrocks: please file a bug and attach your sso logs [14:24] didrocks: what ubuntu are you running [14:24] mterry: one less beer? I can wait for promoting during the rally, being beer-conditionally started :) [14:24] nessita: I got it on natty and oneiric [14:24] nessita: sure for filing a bug, what should I attach as logs? [14:25] didrocks, fine. /me starts assigning more MIRs to didrocks [14:25] didrocks: I guess your request is being answered between the counter check and the actual shutdown, which is a pain [14:25] didrocks: .cache/sso [14:25] * didrocks use this awesome new "mute bug mails feature" [14:25] didrocks, ooh, what email client do you use? i want that [14:25] nessita: ok, will file a bug :) [14:26] mterry: heh, launchpad does that now (on specific bug though) [14:27] didrocks: thanks! in the mean time you should change your reconnect time to more than 10 seconds (or less), but not exactly 10 [14:27] nessita: well, this was just my test case, I don't make that in real life, I just do that if you disconnect/reconnect in 10 seconds :) [14:28] ah [14:28] don't allow the user do that with 10 seconds apart! [14:28] :-P [14:28] so yeah, you are quite screwed if nm reconnects in 10 seconds [14:28] well, it's rather there network connection ;) [14:28] didrocks: we can always change our internal timeout [14:28] until we actually fix the bug (which is not trivial to fix) [14:28] nessita: well, it will be the same issue [14:28] yeap [14:28] nessita: for oneconf, I have an "activity" tag [14:29] is there is activity turn on by every request [14:29] it will increase the daemon life time by the timeout time [14:33] mterry: done, keep me posted on qt-at-spi [14:33] didrocks, it was approved [14:34] oh nice :) [14:34] mterry: and no, I didn't turn off bug mails already :p [14:34] :) [14:34] * mterry now bugs archive admins [14:35] mterry: for what? ;) [14:35] to actually promote [14:35] didrocks, oh! you're an archive admin aren't you [14:35] it's what I intended by "done" :-) [14:35] didrocks, yay! [14:35] * mterry hugs didrocks, gives him his beer back [14:35] * didrocks hugs mterry! [14:36] ok, editing the seed now [14:36] (for qt-at-spi) [14:36] didrocks, k. let me know when you're done and I'll throw in DD [14:38] mterry: it's all yours :) [14:47] didrocks, I'll update ubuntu-meta while I'm at it [14:47] mterry: perfect! [14:48] hrmm [14:48] i guess the ~/.gtk-bookmarks didn't become ~/.gtk-3.0-bookmarks for 3.x also [14:49] nessita: bug #801154 FYI [14:49] Launchpad bug 801154 in ubuntu-sso-client "Some request can be missed in racy calls" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801154 [14:52] mterry: just on librsync, was there a good ending on that? I'm not clear from the bug report [14:52] didrocks, a good ending in the sense that doko seemed to agree it didn't need lively maintenance. I confirmed that upstream is all but dead, though debian upstream is active [14:53] didrocks, our own martin pool used to be a maintainer, but hasn't touched it in years [14:53] mterry: ok, finishing the other promotions then, hold up! [14:54] seb128, does the g-desktop branch look ok now? Can I upload? [14:57] rodrigo_, let me check [14:58] rodrigo_, seems fine yes [14:59] seb128, ok, thanks for the review! [15:00] rodrigo_, yw ;-) [15:01] dobey, no they didn't [15:01] dobey, the format didn't change so no reason to rename the file [15:03] seb128: sure. but i've had to deal with my fair share of unreasonable changes before in gtk :) [15:05] ;-) [15:07] kenvandine, you did a copy error, bug #801132 [15:08] Launchpad bug 801132 in indicator-session "indicator-session should depend on indicator-session-gtk2" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801132 [15:08] kenvandine, you made it recommends the wrong indicator ;-) [15:08] which also explain why mterry didn't have the -gtk2 installed earlier [15:13] kenvandine, thanks [15:13] (did you read my ping or just fixed it at the same time?) [15:13] seb128, oh... i didn't see the bug :) [15:14] i fixed my desktop box last night and was able to test in a VM this morning :) [15:14] ;-) [15:14] omg omg omg the repairs work has just been finished in my debroom. I can finally sleep on my bed, for the first time since UDS! [15:14] cyphermox, woot [15:14] err. debroom = bedroom [15:14] kenvandine: indeed :D [15:15] * cyphermox crawls back to C code [15:16] seb128, i usually use my desktop box to run relatively clean VMs that point to a local apt repo... very useful for testing upgrades before uploading :) [15:16] but the motherboard died in it recently, just got the new one in it last night [15:16] kenvandine, ;-) [15:16] testing upgrade paths are generally a good thing :) [15:16] I usually rely on users to complain if I break something :p [15:16] hehe... i like working with VMs [15:16] (did I just said that out loud? ;-) [15:17] haha :) [15:17] I liked vms in a time where our desktop was running in those :p [15:17] can't run unity in kvm [15:17] cyphermox: talking about repairing things :) [15:18] didrocks: ? [15:18] yeah, it was working in virtualbox [15:18] but now i get fallback mode [15:18] cyphermox: do you have any idea how I can give you the needed info for network-manager messing with me? Like, at every startup in the morning, it doesn't want to connect to my wiki [15:18] repairing the indicators not showing in my session? :D [15:18] didrocks, use the etherpad :p [15:18] cyphermox: also there is the policykit dialog telling it wants to change some system data, and then prompting for a blank dialog [15:18] hum [15:18] oh [15:19] that's something new [15:19] wifi != wiki :) [15:19] seb128: see! [15:19] kenvandine: also ;) [15:19] didrocks, it's not me who typed wiki! [15:19] ;-) [15:19] cyphermox: so yeah, if I try to setup the right passphrase it doesn't work as well, still trying to connect [15:19] seb128: :p [15:19] ok, it's not friday and I should go back to work [15:19] cyphermox: if I try to disconnect/choose again, it doesn't work [15:19] didrocks: file a bug against NM. in theory the apport hook rocks [15:19] cyphermox: I'm forced to reboot [15:20] let's keep opening bugs about gtk2 and gconf cleaning ;-) [15:20] seb128, did you see i fixed ubuntu-artwork too? [15:20] cyphermox: so, basically, when I have that, I should apport-bug? [15:20] yeah [15:20] cyphermox: the thing is that, when I have that, I have no network consequently :p [15:20] kenvandine, I did, very productive day ;-) [15:20] one for the wifi not connecting and stuff, and one for the applet showing a blank dialog [15:20] kenvandine, now you just need to get the new gwibber in and you will have deserved your Dublin beers [15:20] very long day.... [15:20] ;-) [15:20] didrocks: you can connect to wired :D [15:21] cyphermox: it's in the same session [15:21] i won't be as productive today :) [15:21] cyphermox: ok, letting that screwed, and the connected from wired and sending the report [15:21] kenvandine, seems like you kept nothing to do for next week, you will have time for beers ;-) [15:21] * didrocks adds the discussion to tomboy as well [15:22] didrocks: yeah. at least I'll get syslog too... I'm vaguely worried about kernel 3.0 majorly screwing with wifi drivers [15:22] cyphermox: possible, I can try to boot in an older kernel. It seems racy anyway, I really have to reboot to get things ok [15:22] yeah [15:22] I have it every morning systematically [15:22] :/ [15:22] so, then, need to reboot once or twice [15:23] not really nice :) [15:24] ugh, no permissions for g-desktop, seems it's not in the packageset [15:24] cjwatson, ^ [15:25] rodrigo_, gnome-desktop3 you mean? [15:25] can I have that in unabbreviated form please [15:25] seb128, yes [15:25] I don't know your jargon [15:25] cjwatson, gnome-desktop3 [15:25] cjwatson, sorry, it's gnome-desktop3 [15:26] added [15:26] cjwatson, thanks! [15:44] mterry: not loosing time to remove deja-dup from featured apps! :) [15:44] didrocks, it's a WI! Gotta get those down [15:46] ;) [15:47] tremolux, heyo. Now that software-center updated to oneiric app-install-data, Deja Dup doesn't show up as I'd like. It shows up as "Backup" (like it does in the UI). But in the context of software-center, I'd prefer it show as "Deja Dup Backup Tool" so people know what they are getting. Is there a custom desktop key I can add? [15:52] mterry: hey! so, did you change your desktop file? [15:53] tremolux, yes, to show as merely "Backup" (part of the effort of blending into the OS better) [15:53] mterry: ah [15:53] tremolux, that works for once you have it installed, but in the context of software-center, where it is one of many apps, I figure something more explicit makes sense [15:53] mterry: yep [15:53] tremolux, sort of like how "Calculator" should probably appear in U-S-C as "GNOME Calculator" or something [15:54] Maybe... [15:54] tremolux, is there a key for that already, or should I file a feature request? [15:55] mterry: yeah, I don't think there is such a thing currently, I'll check to be sure [15:59] mterry: so you changed X-GNOME-FullName to "Backup" ? [16:00] tremolux, well, I dropped it morelike. That key will be shown in the UI, so it wouldn't fulfill the goal of a different name in the UI and USC [16:00] mterry: yeah [16:01] tremolux, I'd like something like X-Ubuntu-Software-Center-Name or X-Specific-Name or something [16:01] mterry: yep, so there's not something like that now, but it's easy to implement [16:02] tremolux, OK, will file a bug [16:02] mterry: sounds good! [16:27] mterry: woo, bye synaptic! [16:27] jcastro, :) glad to see it gone finally [16:28] where's it gone? [16:28] chrisccoulson, a nice farm where it'll be taken care of [16:28] lol [16:28] chrisccoulson, no, just off CD [16:28] you can't ever go visit it though [16:29] oh, i just looked at oneiric-changes ;) [16:29] mterry, your changelog is missing "Added thunderbird to desktop-recommends" [16:29] ;) [16:29] chrisccoulson, were's my check? [16:29] if, by "check" you actually mean "guinness", then it's in dublin ;) [16:30] heh [16:36] jcastro, mterry: synaptic is not off the CD yet [16:36] somebody needs to make apturl stop using it first before that [16:36] ah... [16:36] (pitti cleaned software-properties yesterday) [16:37] cyphermox, hi, did you get any feedback from the security team about the firewall settings? [16:37] mpt, sorry, no. let's do this now? [16:38] (or at the sprint?) [16:38] seb128, is anything other than ubufox pulling apturl on to the CD? [16:38] chrisccoulson, no [16:38] it's all your fault again! [16:38] seb128, oh, pants :( [16:39] chrisccoulson, you are keeping synaptic on the CD! [16:39] i guess what i really need to do is to rewrite the plugin finder to use sessioninstaller [16:39] which is ironic because you are the one who needs the space ;-) [16:39] but i hadn't really planned any time for it ;) [16:39] lol [16:39] how big is synaptic? [16:39] as big as thunderbird? ;) [16:39] chrisccoulson: you're going to end up paying out alot of guiness [16:39] lol [16:39] less than a mb [16:40] so "not close" ;-) [16:40] he's probably way more doomed than one meg [16:40] chrisccoulson, oh, sessioninstaller, nice that you mention it [16:40] chrisccoulson, bug #801202 is yours if you want to ;-) [16:40] Launchpad bug 801202 in sessioninstaller "Should use gobject introspection (GTK3)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801202 [16:41] just opened it today, grab it while it's fresh ;-) [16:41] so, the snaptic package is still around 700kB. i'm not sure what the is equivalent to on the CD, but it doesn't sound *that* insignificant [16:41] i should probably spend some time at the rally next week to rid ubufox of apturl [16:42] chrisccoulson, deb space ~= CD space usually [16:42] they compress about the same [16:42] rather than making apturl not use synaptic [16:42] seb128, so, 700kB would be nice [16:42] indeed [16:42] cyphermox, how can I help unblock you? [16:43] mpt, after all, care to look for the feedback about your design? I know I offered but this will cut the middle-man and I'm trying to finish up all I have to do with usb_modeswitch before the spring [16:43] chrisccoulson, would anything visible change about what happens when you click an link? [16:43] *sprint [16:43] chrisccoulson: see, oneconf is better, it's only 23kB! :) [16:43] mpt, hi [16:44] mpt, do you know what's the status on bug #588200 [16:44] Launchpad bug 588200 in system-config-printer "Replace standard printing applet with indicator" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588200 [16:44] seb128, it's one of my work items to design that [16:44] mpt, should that have a design component? [16:45] seb128, yes, I'll reassign it once I've written it up [16:45] mpt, ok, thanks [16:45] mpt, I just wanted to check that it didn't get forgotten on the way ;-) [16:46] Ah, I spy a problem [16:46] It's a "High" importance bug report linked to a "Low" importance blueprint [16:46] So the work item shows up as "Low" when perhaps it shouldn't [16:47] mpt, well, we whitelisted the systray icon so I'm fine with "low" from a platform perspective [16:47] mpt, but from a design perspective if you want to get no systray use it might be higher ;-) [16:47] mpt - clicking an apt: link opens software-center doesn't it? [16:47] firefox should just use the default handler for that [16:47] what is apturl doing exactly? [16:48] seb128, ubufox calls it to install browser plugins, but it calls apturl directly rather than relying on the default handler [16:48] chrisccoulson, does it have its own ui to install those or what? [16:49] chrisccoulson, it's rather a nuisance that Firefox brings up the dialog asking you if it's okay to use something you (in general) have probably never heard of called "xdg-open" to open the link. Is there a way to whitelist it? [16:49] I mean what does it do that sessioninstaller, aptdaemon and s-c don't do? [16:49] seb128, it doesn't have any UI for indicating progress (it relies on apturl to do that) [16:49] mpt, when does that happen? that sounds like a separate issue [16:50] chrisccoulson, sorry, I'm out of date. I just tried it again and it asked me to confirm launching Ubuntu Software Center. [16:51] cyphermox, ubuntu-hardened@? [16:52] mpt, yeah. it should display the correct name of the application now, as a nice side effect of fixing bug 727372 [16:52] Launchpad bug 727372 in firefox "FF 4 requires both .desktop and gconf entries for url handlers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727372 [16:52] chrisccoulson, next step to show the icon too? :-) [16:52] mpt, yeah, i planned to do that as well [16:52] neat [16:52] it's just not very high priority :/ [16:54] * mpt wonders why Thunderbird persists in thinking that Chromium is the default browser, when everything else recognizes that Firefox is [16:55] mpt, which version of thunderbird? [16:56] chrisccoulson, 3.1.10 [16:57] mpt - i bet if you open gnome-default-application-properties, close it again and then restart thunderbird, it might start working ;) [16:58] i think that's probably because the old thunderbird still uses gnomevfs [16:58] although, i thought we fixed most cases of this already [16:58] in any case, the new thunderbird does things correctly [17:15] cyphermox, message sent [17:22] chrisccoulson, I'm impressed at how you use "I bet" and "might" in the same sentence, ;-) but no, that doesn't work [17:23] I'll try again after a logout === cking_ is now known as cking [17:36] chrisccoulson, do you have a bug about tb indicator-messages integration? [17:36] chrisccoulson, did that land in oneiric yet? [17:37] just wondering if bug #367175 is a duplicate or should be closed [17:37] Launchpad bug 367175 in thunderbird "thunderbird not using indicator applet" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367175 [17:37] seb128, i'm going to look at why the indicator doesn't work properly before i upload anything [17:37] ok [18:03] * didrocks waves goodnight [19:07] cjwatson, is upstart 1.3 waiting for anything? i think it hosed normal booting. [19:56] rickspencer3, do you still care about pygame? do you have any clue or opinion on bug #777417 [19:56] Launchpad bug 777417 in pygame "Unity launcher doesn't work well with Python Pygame apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777417 [19:57] not sure if that's the sort of thing that should be fixed in pygame? [20:20] does anybody know the name of an usb sniffer? [20:21] i.e something to watch what's going on between a device and the computer when you connect it [20:24] seb128, not me... [20:25] kenvandine, not really a desktopish topic but I got asked by somebody I know so I said I would ask around if somebody else knows ;-) [20:27] seb128: on linux, or on windows? [20:28] linux if possible but if you have a name for windows that might still be useful ;-) [20:28] i installed one on windows a while back. let me reboot my laptop and see what it was [20:29] dobey, thanks [20:29] ugh, why does lightdm not do the shutdown/restart stuff correctly [20:30] seb128, mind if i update eds to 3.1.2? [20:30] not sure why i considered touching the eds package... it FTBFS now :/ [20:30] heh [20:30] not my fault... it FTBFS without my tiny change :) [20:31] kenvandine, does it? in any case you know what happen to people uploading packages nobody else want to deal with? :) [20:31] i know... :/ [20:31] but i need the ebook gir included in the package :) [20:31] seb128: snoopypro [20:31] joke aside go for it, we said we would upgrade to GNOME 3.1 [20:31] dobey, thanks [20:31] seb128, will do [20:32] * kenvandine wonders what will break :) [20:32] the world [20:32] kenvandine, well if you update e-d-s you probably need to update evo with it ;-) [20:32] yeah... i know [20:32] kenvandine, or see if cyphermox wants to do that for you in exchange for a beer [20:32] full of happy news here... [20:33] he has been maintaining those for a bit and he's looking for one extra ack for his desktop upload [20:33] huh? [20:33] cyphermox, want to update the evo stack to 3.1, get sponsoring by kenvandine and maybe get the missing ack for your uploads? ;-) [20:33] ah, yes, exchange [20:33] cyphermox, eds fails to build now... i am trying to update it to 3.1.2 [20:33] cyphermox, no, e-d-s, evo ... [20:33] updating to the new unstable serie ;-) [20:34] yes, should be fun [20:34] cyphermox, woot [20:34] (and has a risk of making evo work better) [20:34] cyphermox, let me push my branch i started for eds [20:34] ok [20:34] i kind of urgently need it built with the ebook gir file included [20:34] ok [20:34] * kenvandine overheated his laaptop again trying to build it :) [20:35] so you say e-d-s is already pretty much done right? [20:35] cyphermox, dunno ... maybe :) [20:35] * cyphermox welcomes a change from C.... project ;) [20:35] i think it was about done building it overheated here... [20:35] i'll push my branch and you can take over :) [20:35] :-D [20:36] it actually overheated? O.o? [20:36] yes... [20:36] cyphermox, it might give you desktop upload rights as well, sorry about that stalling, I was sort of waiting for a few extra uploads to comment but there was not a lot of sponsoring recently [20:36] it happens everytime i build gtk too [20:36] seb128: it's alright. I haven't touched new packages lately, really busy with usb_modeswitch, as I mentioned a couple of times ;) [20:36] seb128, what is up with these .xz files on gnome.org? [20:37] i extracted it and recreated a .gz [20:37] cyphermox, indeed ;-) [20:37] kenvandine, branch? [20:37] kenvandine, don't [20:37] kenvandine, we package .bz2 nowadays, .xz is the next generation ones [20:37] cyphermox, just a sec, booting :) [20:37] seb128: it's almost done btw, down to 1 small function and main (but main is huge) [20:38] oh, mbiebl asked a few days ago on #nm; do we support .xz in the archive now? [20:38] lp:~ubuntu-desktop/evolution-data-server/ubuntu/ [20:38] cyphermox, ^^ [20:38] kenvandine, GNOME IS (olav) is wanting to move to .xz to save mirror space, bandwith etc, so they switch from .gz .bz2 to .bz2 .xz this cycle [20:38] let me know when you need it sponsored [20:38] they will do .xz only after 3.2 [20:39] cyphermox, yes, I pinged around about this when GNOME said they would switch and cjwatson fixed the remaining bits before natty [20:39] not sure it got real world confirmation but the bug was closed as fixed [20:40] seb128, does AutostartCondition work with gsettings? [20:41] kenvandine, yes [20:41] i just found one place i hadn't removed gconf [20:41] nautilus-autostart.desktop:AutostartCondition=GSettings org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons [20:41] kenvandine, ^ one example [20:41] awesome [20:41] thx [20:41] yw [20:42] that will be the last gconf reference in gwibber :) [20:43] done! [20:43] :-D [20:44] ;-) [20:44] kenvandine, do you have logs for the ftbfs? [20:46] cyphermox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/631367/ [20:46] that was 3.0.2.1 though [20:46] i think 3.1.2 builds [20:46] it was generating the docs when my laptop shutdown [20:46] oh, i see [20:47] so my branch might just work :) [20:47] I'll know soon, just getting the dependencies now [20:47] you confirm and update evolution too... and i'll sponsor them for you [20:47] ok [21:05] seb128, I htink if there is an easy place in pygame to set the correct property, we should patch pygame [21:06] otherwise, we should provide some guidance to app authors for how to do it themselves [21:06] seb128, but I don't 100% understand the problem [21:07] rickspencer3, ok, I think I was basically pointing it in case some cares enough to do that or to raise it to upstream if they know those guys [21:08] hi rickspencer3! [21:08] rickspencer3, the issue is basically that to match something on screen to its process or .desktop you need infos [21:08] like xproperties or others [21:13] kenvandine: ftbfs. groupwise was split out [21:14] ah [21:14] seb128, just marked the gsettings bug fix committed for gwibber :) [21:16] kenvandine: just about done, I'll test build and see if evo still runs [21:29] kenvandine, great! === WelshDragon is now known as Guest49686 === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:54] kenvandine: lp:~mathieu-tl/evolution-data-server/3.1.2 [22:55] I need to go have dinner now, but I should be back in a few hours to tackle evo and the others [22:57] huh, wow. I would have thought evo to run a little bit better even if it's a new unstable version