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lamontbah.  what's the command for checking wireless network bios switch settings?01:27
lamontrfkill01:28
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lamontis it really such an unusual work model to fire off something and then start doing work in another window while that gets going, where you really don't want the newly-spawned window to hijack focus from the work that you are now doing in the second window??04:01
lamontor is that just me?04:01
lamont</rant>04:02
TheMusolamont: Yeah had that with virtualbox in natty with compiz/unity-decorator.04:02
ScottKThere you go again.  Thinking it's you that knows best.04:02
TheMusoI'd start a VM, put it on another workspace, move back to the original workspace to do work, only to find the VM window appearing in that workspace where it is least wanted.04:03
lamontScottK: heh04:06
* lamont just killed the libvirtwindow he spawned while closing tabs in xchat04:06
lamontTheMuso: one more reason to not use virtualbox, thanks04:12
infinitylamont: I'm pretty sure we consider it a bug when things steal focus (unless they're justifiably modal, like gksudo).04:12
lamontinfinity: you'd think04:12
infinitylamont: I tend to find it refreshing when I swap between Windows and Ubuntu, and the very same software in Ubuntu DOESN'T do that, while it does in Windows.04:12
lamontinfinity: sometimes, I wonder if it's because of focus mode ==strict in metacity :)04:14
infinitylamont: No, no.  I'm not being facetious.  As in, people consider it to be more than an annoyance, but somewhere hovering between accidental DoS and potential data loss, since if you're blissfully clicking about when something steals focus, you can do Very Bad Things.04:14
lamontyeah04:14
lamontI know you're serious04:14
infinitylamont: So, I'd file bugs with extreme prejudice, if I were you.04:14
lamontinfinity: I'll work on reproducing it04:15
TheMusolamont: In that case I blame compiz, not virtualbox.04:17
lamontcompiz has hooks to defeat what virtualbox is doing04:18
lifelessbarry: ; around ?05:36
didrocksgood morning07:25
dholbachgood morning07:53
didrocksguten morgen dholbach07:54
dholbachsalut didrocks07:55
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diwicTheMuso, ping08:01
TheMusodiwic: Hi.08:01
diwicTheMuso, I want to set up daily builds for pulseaudio git master, do you have an opinion on what ubuntu-audio-dev ppa they should be in?08:02
TheMusodiwic: Oh right, let me have a glance at what we have, and will create one if I think we need another.08:02
TheMusodiwic: ok will create another one.08:03
diwicTheMuso, I think it would make most sense to create a new one08:03
TheMusoRight, doing so.08:03
TheMusodiwic: ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/pulse-testing08:06
TheMusoFire away.08:06
diwicTheMuso, while you're at it, a ppa for the daily dkms builds as well perhaps?08:06
TheMusoSure.08:06
TheMusodiwic: ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-daily08:08
diwicTheMuso, thank you08:08
TheMusoNo problem.08:08
diwicTheMuso, hopefully I can create recipes myself if not, I might poke you again08:08
TheMusoNo problem, ai M end of day, but I will take a look tomorrow.08:08
diwicTheMuso, ok, seems I can create recipes08:10
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diwicTheMuso, as for the packaging of this I plan to start off with our ubuntu.oneric bzr tree, remove all of patches subdirectory and a little thing in debian/rules08:12
diwicTheMuso, and leave the rest. Does that make sense to you?08:12
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tkamppeterpitti, hi09:30
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seb128cjwatson, do we need ssh-askpass-gnome on the CD?12:38
seb128cjwatson, I'm reviewing the gtk2 rdepends list and I was wondering if we need it since gnome-keyring has an ssh agent12:40
cjwatsonseb128: last time you asked me this I complained about all the bugs I get due to gnome-keyring's agent12:53
cjwatsonssh-askpass-gnome is 15K12:53
cjwatsonis it worth talking about? :-)12:53
seb128cjwatson, the gtk2 depends is worth, I will open a bug "needs to be ported to GTK3" ;-)12:53
cjwatsonsure, shouldn't be hard12:54
seb128cjwatson, right, I will file one, I'm just trying to make sure we are on track to drop GTK2 from the CD for the LTS if we can, first step is to know where we stand and what needs to be done ;-)12:56
seb128(same for gconf)12:56
cjwatsonyep12:57
seb128cjwatson, I asked if we need it on the CD because it seems duplication, the users who know enough about ssh agent to want to replace the default one are likely to know how to install the one they want12:58
seb128cjwatson, but as you said the CD space is not worth arguing ;-)12:58
cjwatsonyeah, I guess it wouldn't be that bad if it went off the CD12:59
seb128well let's say I don't care enough either way to argue, it just seems not logical to have 2 agents on the CD, either we think gnome-keyring is too buggy and it shouldn't be the default or we think it's fine for being the default and users who have extra need can install the other one13:00
seb128but anyway, let me open the bug to port to GTK3, CD or not we will need to port it ;-)13:00
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cjwatsontseliot: where's the latest branch for the x-kit package?  Vcs-Bzr says lp:~albertomilone/xorgparser/main, but that branch is not in sync with the latest upload13:16
tseliotcjwatson: right, I think I have it here in my local branch. Let me check13:25
tkamppeterpitti, hi13:28
seb128tkamppeter, he's off today, it's an holiday in Germany13:28
tkamppeterseb128, thanks, it is not a holiday in all the states of Germany. In Berlin it is a workday.13:30
seb128tkamppeter, well pitti said it was an holiday for him in any case ;-)13:30
seb128yw13:30
tseliotcjwatson: the last revision seems to match the last upload: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/xorgparser/main https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x-kit13:30
tseliotmaybe there's something that I'm missing?13:31
cjwatsontseliot: diff it against the actual unpacked package and you'll see13:31
tseliotok, let's see13:31
cjwatsontseliot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/631173/13:32
tkamppeterAnyone works with the problem that a service taking a random port stealing the port from another service with a fixed port?13:33
cjwatsonshould only happen if the "fixed" port is foolishly in the ephemeral port range13:35
dholbachbarry will give a session about porting to dh_python2 in #ubuntu-pyjam in 24 minutes13:36
tkamppetercjwatson, CUPS uses port 631 which is the officially reserved port for the Internet Printing Protocol IPP. It seems that before CUPS got loaded on boot, another service has taken port 631.13:36
tkamppetercjwatson, bug 800424.13:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 800424 in Ubuntu "package cups 1.4.6-5ubuntu1.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80042413:39
tseliotcjwatson: I really don't know what happened there. I moved to git and I use it only to maintain the code (without the debian directory): https://github.com/tseliot/XKit13:39
cjwatsontseliot: perhaps you could fix it up?13:41
cjwatsontkamppeter: don't know then sorry13:41
cjwatsontseliot: I only ask because I have a patch to submit to make it use dh_python213:42
tseliotcjwatson: sure, is it urgent? As I'm trying to fix nvidia-* and fglrx before leaving for the Platform sprint13:42
cjwatsontseliot: well, not urgent as such, but the dh_python2 porting jam is today and it would be pretty nice to clear out main13:42
cjwatsonI can just file a bug with the patch13:43
apwclap4ham13:43
apwheh how many times will i do that i wonder13:43
Laney:(13:44
apwits a test box password thankfully13:44
mterrydoko__, ping about ubuntuone-couch13:45
LaneySome of my passwords are so embarrassing that if I ever type them to IRC I'll never live it down13:45
apwheh, a problem :)13:46
Laneyit makes me more circumspect :-)13:46
apwwe should all use "i hate irc" as our password13:46
tseliotcjwatson: would it be ok if I simply pushed to my bzr branch the diff that you've just shown me?13:49
tseliotand correct the rest another time13:49
tseliotcjwatson: or maybe I can do the right thing now and leave it as UNRELEASED so that you can complete it with your work and upload?13:51
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jdstrandcjwatson: fyi, I just happened to be preparing an openssl-blacklist upload, so I'll process your patch rather quickly :)14:11
jdstrandcjwatson: that for that and openvpn-blacklist patches14:12
jdstrandinterestingly, it was not ssl2, but a difference with openssl 1.0.0 output14:12
cjwatsonjdstrand: heh, ok, thanks14:18
cjwatsontseliot: sure, I don't really mind14:18
cjwatsontseliot: I'll just send you the dh_python2 patch in a bug and you can sort it out as you see fit14:19
tseliotcjwatson: ok, thanks a lot14:19
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mterryStevenK, is it your archive day?  Could you do a pass on MIR bugs today?  I know a couple just got approved (deja-dup & etc, qt-at-spi).14:30
mterryStevenK, nm, didrocks is faster than me14:36
lamontwhat does it mean when I upgrade a machine from hardy to lucid and the last thing it says it that it was mounting filesystems?14:39
lamontother than that it sucks to be me14:39
elmolamont: on reboot?14:40
lamontyeah14:40
elmolamont: if so, it means you need to take some stuff out of /etc/fstab14:40
lamontah, ha.14:40
lamontsigh14:40
* lamont debates one more time whether it's easier to bring the monitor to the machine, or the machine to the monitor14:40
lamontelmo: ta14:40
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smoserjibel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/80113216:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 801132 in indicator-session (Ubuntu Oneiric) "indicator-session should depend on indicator-session-gtk2" [Medium,Fix released]16:27
smoseri'm just curious, why "recommend"  and not depend ?16:27
jibelsmoser, I don't know, I just pasted the relevant part of the changelog, kenvandine would know better.16:29
jibelkenvandine, ^16:29
smoserin my experience it doesn't start without. that would seem "depends"16:33
seb128smoser, jibel: because unity will use gtk3 next week16:34
seb128so that's just a transitional workaround16:34
seb128indicator-session is the gtk3 version16:34
seb128in theory it shouldn't pull in the gtk2 version16:34
seb128you might also use indicator-applet or a gtk3 loader in which case you don't want the gtk2 binary16:35
seb128but yeah, we could have used a depends, it wouldn't have made any difference with that typo ;-)16:36
smosergood enough for me.16:40
kenvandinethx seb128 :)16:46
seb128yw ;-)16:47
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smoserjibel, i apologize for opening up 2 duplicate bugs today16:48
jibelsmoser, no worries, that's good for my karma ;-)16:49
jibelseb128, thx for the explanation.16:49
apwif you have a Recommends: foo | bar  1) does the order matter, and 2) will this pull all of them onto the CD or is that controlled some other way ?17:00
slangasekapw: the order does matter; it won't pull them all onto the CD, only one of them - but whether you get foo or bar depends on whether something else has already pulled in bar17:01
apwslangasek, what does the order imply ?17:01
slangasekapw: it implies which one is the preferred alternative :)17:02
apwslangasek, are you saying you get the first unless something asks for one of the latter ones17:02
slangasekyes17:02
apwslangasek, thanks17:02
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lynxmanjdstrand: ping17:29
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jdstrandlynxman: yes?17:36
lynxmanjdstrand: hey o/17:37
lynxmanjdstrand: got your email concerning mcollective-plugins17:37
lynxmanjdstrand: fixing the copyright issues and the one lintian error17:37
lynxmanjdstrand: but I really rather not use sed -i as you suggest17:37
lynxmanjdstrand: that's what I was using before, and in some scenarios it resulted in an empty config file17:37
lynxmanjdstrand: which is really not desirable17:38
jdstrandlynxman: I think you should talk to Daviey who just contacted me about all this17:38
lynxmanjdstrand: that's why I made it a lot simpler17:38
lynxmanjdstrand: I'm talking with Daviey, just wanted to justify the reasoning behind that one :)17:39
lynxmanjdstrand: no worries, thanks for your time17:39
jdstrandlynxman: cool. though the sed -i is troublesome to me-- that sounds like a serious bug in sed. you might want to report that if you have a reduced test case17:40
lynxmanjdstrand: as soon as I get the package ironed out I'll see if I can reproduce reliably and do so, thanks :)17:41
DavieyI'm finding the lintian issues to be concerning.  On oneiric lintian i'm not seeing them with both pednantic and information mode.17:42
DavieyAh, i think i only dug that deep on the source package17:43
AnAntwould someone help with LP #798513 ?17:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 798513 in lintian (Ubuntu) "Candidate revision lintian 2.5.1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79851317:50
AnAntalso, could someone review LP #796136 ?17:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 796136 in swt-gtk (Ubuntu) "Candidate revision swt-gtk 3.6.2-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79613617:51
DavieyAnAnt: If nobody beats me, i'll do the swt-gtk one in a few hours.17:55
AnAntDaviey: thanks17:58
Ampelbeinhi there! what could be the reason that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gridsite/1.7.13-5 fails on amd64 on the buildd, but works in a amd64 pbuilder, on i386 and powerpc? The file missing should have been created by the build and I can't seem to find a reason why it doesn't work.18:12
micahgAmpelbein: looks like a buildd fluke, I'd say retry it18:21
micahgI just had it work fine in sbuild locally18:22
Ampelbeinmicahg: thanks, I'll retry the build18:22
Ampelbeinmicahg: retrying worked, strange thing. thanks again.18:25
micahgAmpelbein: no problem18:25
akheronwhy some libraries are in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu and some are in /usr/lib ?19:27
Ampelbeinakheron: multiarch enabled libraries are in /usr/lib/<triplet>19:28
akheronAmpelbein: what does "multiarch enabled" mean?19:30
Ampelbeinakheron: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/19:31
akheronAmpelbein: do you know whether /usr/lib/<triplet> is a widely used standard location for this purpose?19:32
Ampelbeinakheron: as far as I know debian/ubuntu are the first to implement multiarch.19:33
akheronI just happened to notice that Python's build system doesn't look there by default, and therefore doesn't enable some modules at compile time19:33
akheronok... may I'll file an issue and see what happens19:33
broderakheron: it should as of the latest 2.719:33
akherons/may/maybe/19:33
akheronbroder: ah, but I'm compiling 3.219:34
broderthat might work too? i'm not up to speed19:34
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barryhi19:34
Ampelbeinakheron: that would be bug 73821319:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 738213 in python2.7 (Ubuntu Natty) "Python build from source lack some modules due to non-standard libraries placement" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73821319:35
akheronactually I'm talking about vanilla Python source tarball19:35
barryakheron: the fix should be in our source package, and it's been pushed upstream, but that version hasn't been released yet.  it'll show up in 3.2.119:35
barryakheron: for now, grab the setup.py from hg (or just grab the hg branch)19:35
akheronbarry: ok, thanks19:36
barryakheron: np.  i have no eta for python 3.2.119:37
ScottKbarry: If only you knew someone involved in release management for Python.20:09
ScottK;-)20:10
barryScottK: or, if only i was insane enough to rm 3.2 :)20:10
slangasekdoko__: hi, regarding http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PyCentral2DhPython2, there's a comment to "read /usr/share/doc/python/changelog.Debian.gz to check if you need a newer version"... what should we be looking for when reading the changelog?20:23
seb128does somebody known the name of an usb sniffer? i.e something to watch the communication between a device and the computer20:25
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smoseris there a tool available to forward-to-debian other than report bug and referencing ubuntu bug ?20:38
nigelbsubmittodebian?20:39
nigelbsmoser: ^^20:40
slangaseksmoser: submittodebian if you have a patch; for opening an upstream bug corresponding to an LP bug, no, I don't think we have anything20:40
nigelbIts in ubuntu-dev-tools.20:40
slangasekand I don't think Debian would welcome anything more automated than that :)20:40
nigelbslangasek: wait, we might. bryce wrote something, let me hunt.20:40
smoseri was aware of submittodebian20:41
hallynstgraber: doh!  the patch I sent to teh m-l was wrong.  I had apparently not doing a git add before git commit --amend20:41
hallynstgraber: but the version in the bzr tree I pointed you to is right20:42
LaneyActually it might be good if submittodebian could take a Launchpad bug# and pre-fill the email with the description (and attach patches)20:42
smoseri was just doing bug triage and have in other cases come across the same situation, where i have a low-ish priority bug that ideally we'd like to have fixed in debian and synced rather than just fixed in ubuntu.20:42
nigelbthere is a wrapper that someone wrote, I just dont remember where the source was20:42
smoseri guess submittodebian isn't too bad for this.20:43
slangasekyeah, if you have a patch for it, I'd use submittodebian20:44
pittislangasek: hey Steve20:46
slangasekpitti: hey there20:46
pittislangasek: so for the md5summing of common-session and friends, I take everything between the magic markers, including or excluding the markers themselves?20:46
slangasekpitti: IIRC it's the sum of the whole file, minus the lines with the tokens that get replaced20:47
micahgLaney: well, I think taking from the upload is better than the bug since the patch can be modified before upload and not reattached20:47
slangasekpitti: so: sed -e'/^$/d' | md5sum20:47
Laneydepends what you want to do really20:47
pittislangasek: get_template_md5sum()'s state machine explicitly triggers on the magic comments, that's why I ask20:48
pittiI'm trying to reproduce the original mdsums to be sure20:48
pittiok, I'll play with this20:48
pitti(it's not just dropping the $ line)20:49
pittiwell, I'll just call that very perl function, I guess20:50
nigelboh, well, I can't find what I was looking for.20:51
nigelbI clearly remember attempting this and someone actually writing it better than me.20:51
nigelbsmoser: okay, I found what I was looking for earlier - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master/view/head:/launchpadlib-scripts/forward-bug-to-debian.py20:54
stgraberhallyn: hehe, that explains it :)20:57
hallynsorry about that20:57
nigelbslangasek: ^^ there is indeed a script to forward bugs to debian using the LP api and wrapping over reportbug20:58
smoserthanks nigelb20:58
nigelb:)20:58
pittislangasek: ok, got it20:59
pittislangasek: do you know why there's both an %md5sums map in pam-auth-update, and debian/local/*.md5sums files?21:00
pitti(which don't match)21:00
pittislangasek: ok, MP updated21:05
pittithanks21:05
* pitti waves good night21:06
doko__slangasek: sorry, don;t know. didn't write this :-/21:11
pooliebarry: hello? want to talk about oauth?21:11
barrypoolie: no, but i will ;)21:12
barrypoolie: what do you know about it?21:12
poolieuh, basically, how urgent is it?21:12
pooliei'm sprinting this week21:12
poolieand next21:12
barrypoolie: will you be in dublin next week? it can certainly wait until then21:13
pooliei can ask someone to look at the import failure tomorrow, since the bug seems to have a reasonable way to resolve them21:13
pooliei will be21:13
poolieok21:13
poolienext week or after that we can try to upstream my patches21:13
barrysounds good, thanks21:13
slangasekdoko__: oh, barry said you did write it :-)21:30
slangasekpitti: the debian/local/*.md5sums files are for migration from pre-pam-auth-update versions; I'll eventually be able to drop those I think21:30
slangasekdoko__: http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PyCentral2DhPython2?action=recall&rev=3 says you did write it... but if you didn't have anything specific in mind, I'm happy to continue ignoring that bit :-)21:32
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stgraberpitti: thanks!22:22
slangasekbdmurray: when you submitted your latest patch to software-center, did you do that against a bzr branch somewhere?  Because the one listed in the Vcs-Bzr field is out of date, and the UDD branch is clearly auto-imported22:23
bdmurrayslangasek: this one I think - https://code.launchpad.net/~software-store-developers/software-center/trunk22:26
slangasekbdmurray: aha, thanks22:26
barrycr3: ping22:36
cr3barry: pong dude, what's up?22:44
barrycr3: hiya!  we've been working over in #ubuntu-pyjam on the dhpy2 conversion.  chadadavis has a branch that looks good to me for checkbox.  since lp:checkbox has debian/ in it, what is the best way for us to get the change into ubuntu?  i can do an upload, but what about merging his branch into trunk?22:45
cr3barry: will that run in oneiric?22:47
barryyes, it should22:47
cr3barry: even in the live environment?22:47
barrycr3: that i don't know ;)22:48
cr3barry: if you could find out and the answer is positive, then consider it done. we'll just merge chadadavis' branch and start playing with it22:50
cr3barry: just know that my only constraint is: make ubuntu happy22:51
Awsoonnhi all, I'm wondering if there is a wiki page for debugging unity that you can point me to23:14
AwsoonnI just upgraded to unity and got myself a blank desktop. :(23:14

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