[00:59] <shauno> wow.  finally got around to watching that terry pratchet right-to-die piece.  heavy stuff :/
[03:00] <cola_kid> #ubuntu
[07:16] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:53] <popey> Morning
[07:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> moo popey
[07:53] <popey> right thats the wife and kids packed out the door
[07:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Early?
[07:54] <nigelb> Morning
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mine are still screaming and shouting at each other ;-)
[07:54] <popey> heh
[07:54] <popey> nah, 8am is usual leaving time
[07:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi nigelb how are you?
[07:55] <popey> Wifey has a new job at the school where the kids go, which makes life a lot easier :D
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Handy.
[07:56] <popey> means I pretty much never have to do the school run again
[08:03] <nigelb> TheOpenSourcerer: Just getting to start a busy busy day :)
[08:03] <nigelb> And ew, I'm going to be working on windows servers.
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ewww.
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> nasty
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Prepare for lots of reboots then ;-)
[08:06] <popey> we have exactly one app that runs on windows at work
[08:06] <popey> it's the biggest pile of crud ever
[08:07] <nigelb> I already terminated the isntance once.
[08:07] <nigelb> Recreating now.
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just heard about Ross Gardler and Steve Lee's new venture.
[08:07] <popey> who?
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2011/06/20/all-change-please-situation-normal/
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> OSS-Wiatch
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Watch
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cheap tablets are coming... http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/22/archos-unveils-bare-bones-arnova-7-android-tablet-priced-at-99/
[08:15] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning brobostigon
[08:18] <brobostigon> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[08:19]  * brobostigon has coffee number 1.
[08:29] <oly> hi, anyone able to tell me if you still need the ubuntu alternative cd for raid setups in the latest iteration.
[08:29] <popey> you do
[08:29] <popey> well
[08:29] <popey> technically you don't
[08:29] <popey> you can manually setup raid from the live cd
[08:29] <popey> but ubiquity doesnt prompt for it
[08:29] <oly> oh, did not know that using fstab ?
[08:29] <popey> using mdadm
[08:30] <popey> boot from live cd, open terminal, sudo apt-get install mdadm
[08:30] <oly> fstab, what am i saing i mean fdisk
[08:30] <popey> fdisk and mdadm, yes
[08:30] <oly> aha, cool never thought about doing it that way useful to know :)
[08:31] <popey> i have done it that way before
[08:31] <popey> once you have the array up, then start ubiquity and do the install onto it
[08:31] <oly> will save downloading another iso at least, cheers most helpful as usual :)
[08:32] <popey> np :D
[08:38] <diplo> Morning all
[08:38] <popey> suppose I better take this hire car back
[08:52] <bigcalm> popey: make a few doughnuts along the way
[08:53] <popey> hah
[08:53] <bigcalm> Isn't that what hire cars are for?
[08:53] <popey> The car we bought for wifey is an ex-hire car
[08:54] <popey> when she heard that she instantly went off it
[08:54] <bigcalm> I would too
[08:54] <popey> meh
[08:54] <popey> you can't know what kind of driver the person who had the car before you is like
[08:54] <popey> whilst thats x1000 when it's a hire car, it's the same thing
[08:54] <bigcalm> No, but there's more chance of a hire car being treated badly
[08:55] <AlanBell> then it will have had a variety of drivers, not one boy racer
[08:55] <popey> yeah
[08:55] <popey> swings and roundabouts
[08:55] <popey> or roundabouts and sharp corners
[08:55] <bigcalm> This is why I drive a 407 estate. Not likely to be driven by a boy racer ;)
[08:56] <popey> heh
[08:56] <popey> well, this is only a corsa
[08:56] <popey> which wifey will have with the kids
[08:56] <popey> and means I get my volvo back!
[08:57] <bigcalm> I learnt to drive in one
[08:58] <popey> my volvo needs some tidying up
[08:58] <popey> scrapes and scratches
[08:58] <bigcalm> Due to your wife's driving?
[08:59] <popey> not exclusively
[08:59] <popey> it has a big scratch/scuff on one side because she scraped it against a roof support in a car park
[09:00] <popey> and the petrol flap came off
[09:01] <popey> although that came off when I drove to Lugradio live about 3 years ago :D
[09:01] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:02]  * popey buys one on ebay whilst he thinks about it
[09:02] <bigcalm> My car has 2 scrapes on it, both due to multistory carparks
[09:03] <bigcalm> There is a carpark next to The Imperial (chinese buffet) in Woverhampton (lugradians will have visited it many times). NEVER go there in a long car with poor turning circle!
[09:03] <ging> i was going to say how the hell do you scrap a roof support with the side, but i'm guessing that means a pillar not a beam
[09:03] <popey> I know it well
[09:04] <popey> "roof support"
[09:04] <popey> yeah, pillar
[09:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> My Volvo is rather scratched and dented - mostly by SWMBO
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> And we are missing one rather large gatepost. Also due to SWMBO
[09:05] <popey> also, need to sort the gearbox issue I have with it
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> On a different note - my eldest son goes to Charterhouse School this afternoon.
[09:05] <popey> Godalming?
[09:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yep.
[09:06] <popey> I know it
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Big place#
[09:06] <popey> round the corner from some relatives
[09:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Since 1611.
[09:06] <popey> They haven't been there as long as that
[09:06] <AlanBell> cricket or something?
[09:06] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:07]  * popey rummages on the volvo forums
[09:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's year of Chemistry apparently. And 8 kids from my son's choll were selected to and spend an afternoon there.
[09:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/choll/school
[09:07] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: is yours a D5?
[09:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.charterhouse.org.uk/
[09:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> V70 2.4Turbo
[09:08] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: don't let popey nick your petrol cap
[09:08] <popey> heh
[09:08] <popey> wont fit anyway
[09:08] <popey> mine's diesel
[09:08] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: auto or manual?
[09:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey: http://www.charterhouse.org.uk/admissions/Fees.aspx
[09:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Auto popey
[09:09] <popey> does yours ever slip when changing gear?
[09:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> no
[09:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> And you can't have my gearbox
[09:09] <popey> going from 1st to 2nd mine revs up like it's in nutral
[09:09] <popey> then clonks into gear
[09:09] <bigcalm> Eugh
[09:09] <popey> only from 1st to 2nd
[09:10] <bigcalm> Gearboxes are costly even to look at, let alone fix
[09:10] <popey> well, i have seen some posts that suggest it's easily fixed sometimes
[09:10] <popey> like via gearbox fluid change
[09:10] <popey> or going through the gears 30 times or so
[09:10] <popey> (sat still)
[09:12]  * popey starts a new thread on the volvoforums
[09:12]  * popey hates forums
[09:13] <popey> actually, will post this after I take hire car back
[09:13] <MooDoo> morning al
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning MooDoo
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:14] <bigcalm> I dislike them as well. But I had to join one last night becuase the freenode channel were very off putting. I forget that not all channels are as nice as this one
[09:14] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: brobostigon morning
[09:18] <popey> http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?p=933190
[09:18] <popey> there we go
[09:19] <oimon> i know little about cars, but sounds like sloppy gear changes have left 2nd gear a bit worn down, so it can't exchange properly?
[09:20]  * popey shrugs
[09:21] <popey> hehe, hire company just called asking when I was bringing the car back
[09:21] <popey> suppose I'd best get dressed then :D
[09:22] <oimon> i complained of a similar issue (except mine is a stiff 2nd gear) to my knowledgable friend and he told me 2nd gear is always the one with problems. people often don't exchange the clutch fully between 1st and 2nd
[09:22] <popey> its an auto
[09:22] <oimon> oh lol
[09:22] <popey> :D
[09:22] <popey> yes, "lol" ☹
[09:23] <nigelb> popey: Is that why you have a rental for now?
[09:23] <nigelb> s/rental/hire
[09:23] <popey> no
[09:24] <popey> rental is because wifeys car got trashed
[09:24] <popey> by a neighbour
[09:24]  * oimon is having bopiler repaired today...£400 :(
[09:24] <popey> ouchh
[09:24] <nigelb> popey: what!?!
[09:24] <popey> pulled out in front of me
[09:24] <popey> we collided
[09:24] <popey> wrote my car off
[09:24] <nigelb> ouch :(
[09:25] <popey> hey ho, it happens :D
[09:25] <MooDoo> popey: all to often :(
[09:26] <oimon> half-way into the road seems to be the new give way line in london
[09:26] <oimon> hey ho i'll just pull out into the road and look when i get into the middle
[09:28] <danfish> morning
[09:28] <dwatkins> hiya
[09:29] <dwatkins> glad you're ok, popey
[09:29]  * bigcalm writes an email to a client called Lala and can't help but giggle
[09:29] <danfish> to quote Prof Brian Cox - "things can only get better"
[09:29] <oimon> once my sister had a client called Mrs Tomato
[09:33] <popey> Dell have someone called Demis Dememis
[09:33] <popey> (say it aloud)
[09:33] <popey> sounds like Denace the menace to me
[09:33] <bigcalm> :)
[09:34] <oimon> i wonder if he's friends with the dell SAN guy i met called  Del Lunn
[09:34] <popey> ttfn
[09:35] <oimon> hope popey turns off the webcam while he gets dressed
[09:35] <brobostigon> lol
[09:36] <bigcalm> popey gets dressed in the garden?
[09:36] <oimon> bigcalm: i didn't want to check lol
[09:42] <dogmatic69> anyone used a synology box? trying to install stuff but dont know the command :/
[09:44] <dwatkins> http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Basic_commands_to_get_around_the_Synology_Box_using_the_CLI might help, dogmatic69 - although I imagine you've seen this already
[09:44] <dogmatic69> ah thanks, no ive not
[09:44] <dogmatic69> just been looking at the terminal after <tab><tab> :)
[09:46] <dogmatic69> hmm, they say ipkg ... if its installed already :/
[09:46] <dogmatic69> can i install apt-get ?
[09:50] <dogmatic69> or should i use something else maybe
[10:02] <oimon> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/23/the-acorn-a7000-portable-mod-is-what-your-macbook-looks-like-in/
[10:05] <dogmatic69> man, this is one lean version of linux :/
[10:05] <dogmatic69> no installer, download yum, no make, download make, no c compiler ...
[10:10] <oimon> didn't daubers do a 30 days with windows...nothing updated since day 2...getting worried :D
[10:10] <MooDoo> oimon: i'm sure he's doing fine :)
[10:10] <DJones> oimon: Probably still got a BSOD
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> he was assimilated
[10:10] <oimon> if he came from KDE4 he might be OK
[10:10] <oimon> just don't click on anything
[10:11] <gord> i'm going to do 30 days with a ZX Spectrum one day
[10:11] <MooDoo> oimon: windows isn't that bad :)
[10:11] <MooDoo> lol
[10:11] <DJones> zx spectrum, 30 days of Manic Miner :)
[10:11] <oimon> MooDoo: i find it a productivity nightmare
[10:11]  * popey returns
[10:12] <oimon> and that's without my friends calling me about the latest viruses
[10:12] <MooDoo> oimon: each to their own i gues
[10:12] <danfish> nah - daubers is now on the #windows-fanbois channel ;)
[10:12] <oimon> ihihihih
[10:12] <MooDoo> oimon: i'm sorry but anyone that gets a virus is either not runing the latest definition or is visiting some site and not watching what they are clicking on......
[10:12] <MooDoo> ner ner ner ner ner
[10:13] <oimon> mcafee doesn't detect the viruses that most people seem to get
[10:13] <MooDoo> danfish: fanbois?  never seen it called that before :)
[10:14] <oimon> had to assist a friend remotely to fix "Win 7 Antispyware 2012 " which installed itself on a pc and didn't allow any use until it gets registered with a CC
[10:15] <DJones> oimon: I've seen that as well, its a pig to get rid of
[10:15] <MooDoo> oimon: DJones yeah had to do it last week, registry hack in the end to fix it
[10:16] <MooDoo> but at the end of the day it was my friends fault for clicking links he shouldn't of.....
[10:16] <MooDoo> i did try to put ubuntu on his machine though lol he spotted me putting the cd in ;)
[10:27] <dogmatic69> ok, if i need gcc to install make, and gcc needs a compiler to install... how do i install gcc?
[10:31] <oimon> dogmatic69: ah, reminds me of CS101
[10:31] <dogmatic69> pita
[10:31]  * oimon glances over at the compilers book on the shelf
[10:31]  * dogmatic69 has given up
[10:32] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: don't give up
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69: Read the linuxfromscatch.org book to find out how to make a clean compiler from a compiler.
[10:32] <dogmatic69> :S
[10:32] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: can't you just install build-essential?
[10:33] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: i was trying to get yum on
[10:33] <dogmatic69> how would i install that?
[10:33] <dogmatic69> only useful command i have is wget
[10:33] <MooDoo> install yum? or build-essential
[10:34] <dogmatic69> well yum requires make, which requires gcc, which requires gcc ..
[10:34] <dogmatic69> see the problem :D
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:34] <dogmatic69> lol
[10:34] <MooDoo> so install build-essential and then install yum after
[10:34] <dogmatic69> its not ubuntu
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then read LFS.
[10:35] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: what os then?
[10:35] <dogmatic69> its a synology box
[10:35] <diplo> redhat/centos doesn't have a build-essential package
[10:35] <diplo> So would have to download all seperately
[10:35] <MooDoo> ah
[10:35] <dogmatic69> its linux, some custom stripped down arm version i think
[10:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> You need what is called a toolchain.
[10:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> There are some recursions in that there toolchain
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> There's gcc in them there toolchains!
[10:50]  * BigRedS swears at sorbs
[10:51] <bigcalm> Found that I can add my own DNS settings to the android tablet if I tell it to use a static IP address. Though I don't really want to run a DNS server just for the tablet :(
[10:56] <nigelb> dogmatic69: there's always a compiler
[10:56] <nigelb> not necesssarily gcc.
[10:57] <nigelb> but getting it to work might involve hair pulling
[10:57] <oimon> you can probably stick debian on those synology boxes
[10:57] <nigelb> We recently worked with SCO Unixware.
[10:58] <nigelb> It was like a blast in the past.
[11:00] <BigRedS> We had to build a Woody box the other day :)
[11:13] <popey> Wooodeeeeeeee!
[11:14] <czajkowski> Aloha
[11:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski: hello
[11:17] <nigelb> After SCO suing everyone (wasn't it them?) you'd thin they have good enough packages/software.
[11:17] <nigelb> They have a really old UI, 1993 versions of perl, and such madness.
[11:19] <BigRedS> nah, they've been famed as a lawyer rather than a software outfit for about a decade
[11:20] <AlanBell> they just gave up and ran it into the ground, whilst trying to make as much legal mischief as they could on the way down
[11:20] <AlanBell> and still not quite entirely dead
[11:31] <JamesTait> Morning all. :)
[11:32] <JamesTait> Can anyone suggest a good VPS provider? I want to get my e-mail back online if nothing else. Bytemark seem to fit the bill, but I'm interested in other recommendations too.
[11:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bytemark or Bitfolk.
[11:32] <MooDoo> memset
[11:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> For a small VPS either are fine. Bitfolk probably a bit cheaper.
[11:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> We also use Hetzner
[11:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> for big boxes.
[11:33] <davmor2> morning all
[11:34] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning
[11:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: Sunday dude, I hope you know a pub that does decent food in bakewell :D
[11:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'll ask the father in law.....he's been around those parts for years....but yes there are a few :)
[11:36] <JGJones> Hetzner - they're cheap but don't rely on them for support
[11:38] <AlanBell> it is fully automatic, never spoken to anyone
[11:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice
[11:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: hmph why aren't you in my phone contacts list....how very dare you
[11:40]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski to remind her it's morning :)
[11:40]  * czajkowski glares at davmor2 
[11:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: czajkowski double poke.....
[11:40] <davmor2> MooDoo: I haven't put my number on FB or twitter
[11:40] <jpds> JamesTait: Linode's an option.
[11:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: that explains it then :D
[11:41] <DJones> About time, one down, countless thousands still to go http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13887152
[11:41] <czajkowski> MooDoo: oi!
[11:41] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i was being gentle......
[11:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: think i'll tease czajkowski all day about eating bakewell pudding all weekend :p
[11:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: I am now :D
[11:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: No play fair, tease her about plotting her demise when we get together :D
[11:43] <BigRedS> I've just come across the 'rename' tool. It's awesome
[11:44] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer: Ah, bitfolk was the other I was trying to remember.
[11:44] <davmor2> for some unknown reason I've got the whole gnome rawness experience going on, on my desktop this morning
[11:44] <JamesTait> jpds: I looked at linode, but they seem to be more-or-less identical to Bytemark.
[11:50] <sohaib> ?
[11:51] <AlanBell> !
[11:51] <JamesTait> Ah well, bitfolk are out of capacity, so Bytemark it is.
[11:51] <AlanBell> wow
[11:52] <JamesTait> I always forget - is Bitfolk the one run by "the Alans" or something similar, who were at LRL and OggCamp?
[11:53] <popey> JamesTait: Bitfolk is run by Andy Smith
[11:53] <AlanBell> not us
[11:53] <AlanBell> Andy does turn up to lots of stuff
[11:53] <sohaib> Hey guys, can anyone help me please?
[11:53] <AlanBell> sohaib: sure, ask a question
[11:54] <JamesTait> I get them and Bytemark mixed up - but Bitfolk does sound familiar, I'm sure they were at one of the events I went to.
[11:54] <sohaib> thanks AlanBell
[11:55] <dutchie> JamesTait: they sponsored both oggcamps
[11:55] <sohaib> AllanBell: I have just installed latest ubuntu now when i right click to an ntfs partition and select permission tab, it says permissions could not be determined for that partition.
[11:55] <dutchie> and andy was at both
[11:55] <JamesTait> dutchie: That'll be it then.
[11:57] <MooDoo> JamesTait: i'm using memset, they do appear cheaper....at first glance
[11:57] <AlanBell> sohaib: yeah, ntfs permissions are going to be for users that Ubuntu doesn't know about
[11:58] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Oh, I thought that was a tool or a system call - I didn't realise it was in response to my question. :)
[11:59] <MooDoo> JamesTait: lol sorry i should of been more clear :) memset.com
[11:59] <sohaib> AllnBell: what should i do then? because i want to create a home network of uuntu and MS and i am afraid if anyone will be able o access those shared ntfs partitions
[11:59] <AlanBell> !tab| sohaib
[12:00] <JamesTait> Thanks folks - I knew I could rely on you. :)
[12:00] <AlanBell> sohaib: so you have a drive in an ubuntu machine with an NTFS partition on it?
[12:00] <AlanBell> sohaib: or an ubuntu machine accessing a windows share over the network?
[12:02] <sohaib> AllanBell: yes, i have two ntfs partitions which i want to share over a network. no, ubuntu machine is not accessing a windows share over the network.
[12:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> sohaib: To control individual user access I would probably use Samba (Windows Networking) instead of NTFS mounted shares
[12:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then you do not need NTFS and can use EXT4 partitions on your server.
[12:04] <AlanBell> yeah, not sure why you want NTFS partitions
[12:06] <sohaib> TheOpenSourcerer: i am going to use Samba for home network setup but the reason is i have lots of data to be shared on ntfs partitions so i want them to share over the network.
[12:08] <BigRedS> if you're sharing over the network, it doesn't matter what the filesystem is
[12:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm unsure of the capabilities of NTFS for user-based block allocation. EXT4 is a superior file system http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/230527/ubuntu_linux_day_16_ext4_vs_ntfs.html
[12:09] <AlanBell> well it does matter a bit, best to use a filesystem that can store permissions in the right way for the operating system
[12:10] <sohaib> BigRedS, i understand this i have tried this in previous version of ubuntu i was able to create network but when i used to access those partitions it always said me you have no permissions to acess this directory
[12:10] <popey> I have some prawns, in shells, uncooked. Pondering what to do with them for lunch
[12:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Give them back to the sea :-)
[12:10] <popey> hah
[12:10] <AlanBell> cook, add mayo, make sandwich, bring round to me
[12:10] <popey> not sure the sea will want them
[12:10] <popey> hah
[12:10] <hamitron> my cat likes prawns
[12:11] <popey> my cat loves ham
[12:11] <popey> and cheese
[12:11] <BigRedS> sohaib: that's down to the filesystem permissions, not what filesystem you're using
[12:11] <MooDoo> ham and cheese toastie, yum
[12:11] <sohaib> AlanBell, so what should i do now to make them accessible over the network?
[12:11] <BigRedS> you'll have fewer permissions issues using unixy filesystems in linux than using windowsy ones
[12:11] <hamitron> with baked beans \o/
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> A spicy tomato/coconut type curry sauce would be good - Perhaps with tamaring to sour it up a bit.
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/tamaring/tamarind
[12:12] <AlanBell> !samba
[12:12] <sohaib> BigRedS, is it possible to make a specific folder accessible over the network which is located on an ntfs Partition?
[12:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> sohaib: Samba is pretty much the de-facto server based solution for windows shares - it works. You just have to configure it right.
[12:13] <BigRedS> yeah, but you'll need to work around the fact that NTFS permissions are not supported by Linux
[12:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why do you need to use an NTFS partition?
[12:13] <BigRedS> It will be easier to set up if you don't use an NTFS permission
[12:14] <AlanBell> sohaib: maybe ask in #samba if you really want to share NTFS parititons from linux http://www.samba.org/samba/irc.html
[12:14] <sohaib> TheOpenSourcerer, is there any way to resize my ubuntu partitions so i can move that data from ntfs to ubuntu?
[12:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> gparted
[12:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> !gparted
[12:15] <hamitron> I hate it when you have data stuck somewhere, and you have nowhere to move it :/
[12:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> MOAR disk space.
[12:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or delete old stuff.
[12:15] <hamitron> TheOpenSourcerer: yeh, I get more and fill it
[12:15] <hamitron> ;)
[12:16] <sohaib> TheOpenSourcerer, is there any step by step instructions to configure samba correctly
[12:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> There are loads - all over the internet.
[12:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Correctly is entirely your choice.
[12:17] <sohaib> :)
[12:18] <hamitron> the smb.conf file is heavily commented
[12:18] <hamitron> so the lazy can just modify that for basic setups
[12:18] <hamitron> perfect for me ;)
[12:19] <popey> \o/ lazy
[12:19] <sohaib> TheOpenSourcerer, BigRedS, AlanBell: thank you so much guys, i try to cope with this and if i culdn't go nowhere, i'll get back to you. Cheers
[12:19] <AlanBell> computing is all about applied lazyness
[12:20] <hamitron> time for fish and chips
[12:20] <hamitron> bbl o/
[12:23] <JGJones> Nokia's N9 look fantastic...if it came out 2 years ago. Pity
[12:24] <directhex> JGJones, i don't know what to think about it.
[12:25] <JGJones> I liked the N900...but nothing since then was killing meego. shame, it had potenital, but today up against Android and iOS, it's a huge mountain
[12:26] <JGJones> anyway it doesn't have a future, Nokia laid off 7000 staff from two depts - symbian and meego.
[12:29] <popey> yeah, friend of mine works there, she's got one year left
[12:30] <popey> they just promoted her too (after the closure announcement) which is odd
[12:32]  * selinuxium is waiting for his Galaxy S II to arrive.... 
[12:32] <JGJones> shame...I actually want a N9, it look nice, but I won't get it.
[12:36]  * diplo wants a smartphone but doesn't want a contract
[12:36] <diplo> If anyone wants to sell one cheaply :)
[12:38] <popey> I'm on the blag for hardware to review on the podcast. have tapped up a couple of laptop manufacturers, other suggestions?
[12:38] <popey> ubuntu-centric would be handy :D
[12:39] <daubers> lo
[12:40] <AlanBell> popey: fancy keyboards http://keyboardco.com/
[12:40] <popey> ooo
[12:40]  * daubers loves leftovers for lunch
[12:40]  * popey wonders if they do model-m like ones
[12:40]  * AlanBell wonders what a model-m is
[12:40] <BigRedS> awesome
[12:40] <popey> WHAT!>
[12:40]  * popey deducts some geek points from AlanBell 
[12:41] <popey> only the greatest keyboard known to man
[12:41] <popey> (and woman)
[12:41] <daubers> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard
[12:41] <popey> want one of them, USB, with a "windows" key
[12:42] <BigRedS> you can usb it with a usb to ps/2 adaptor and some ingenuity
[12:42] <AlanBell> talking to keyboardco.com about doing a CoF on the super key
[12:42] <AlanBell> you want PS/2 actually
[12:42] <AlanBell> it does N-key rollover better
[12:43] <bigcalm> I have a spare Unicomp keyboard if anybody wants it
[12:43] <bigcalm> US layout sadly
[12:43] <AlanBell> (can I have my geek points back now please)
[12:43]  * MooDoo is vexed, ok admit it who mentioned fish and chips
[12:43]  * bigcalm <3 his Unicomp keyboard. Hayley does not
[12:44] <bigcalm> MooDoo: it was danfish
[12:44] <bigcalm> That, or you just looked at his nick
[12:44] <popey> why would ps/2 do n-key better than USB?
[12:44] <MooDoo> bigcalm: damn him, now i want chich and fips
[12:44]  * TheOpenSourcerer has left-over macaroni cheese for lunch. Avec something hot like chilli sauce...
[12:45] <bigcalm> "Unicomp has had difficulty making them profitable because they rarely break, and most retailers will not stock such an expensive keyboard."
[12:45] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:46] <AlanBell> the Filco keyboards are *very* nice
[12:46] <bigcalm> Even less proffit from me as they sent me a US layout when I ordered a UK one
[12:48] <AlanBell> http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=688 those are nice too, a roller mouse is interesting and but it really works rather well
[12:49] <popey> i worked with someone who had one of those
[12:49] <popey> horrid things
[12:49] <popey> she had bad rsi which is why she used it
[13:02] <AlanBell> we appear to be having a weather failure here :(
[13:06] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Planet Ubuntu Ireland  Lets get chatting - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/06/23/planet-ubuntu-ireland-lets-get-chatting/
[13:09] <MooDoo> AlanBell: no rain yet but it's looking bleak here to....although sunday is supposed to be warm
[13:11]  * BigRedS is being attacked with ubuntu stickers again
[13:13] <AlanBell> popey: the USB protocol only allows for 6 simultaneous keypresses apparently
[13:13] <AlanBell> PS/2 you can address every key on the keyboard
[13:14] <BigRedS> oooh
[13:15] <BigRedS> that helps me justify my preference for ps2
[13:15] <BigRedS> sort-of
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> Except PS/2 can't address more than a given total number of keys
[13:17] <AlanBell> and doesn't supply power
[13:18] <AlanBell> but high end keyboards all have PS2 connections
[13:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> But many PCs now do not have PS2 connectors
[13:18] <AlanBell> this is true
[13:18] <JGJones> PS2 to USB convertors
[13:19] <AlanBell> yes, but that means you are back to 6 key rollover
[13:19] <JGJones> Aye...I want one though...
[13:19] <JGJones> I had a few...
[13:19] <JGJones> then dug out my old keyboard as fed up with laptop keyboard, it's a PS2
[13:19] <JGJones> and now I can't find any of my convertors. bah
[13:19] <oimon> "We particularly welcome applications from black and minority ethnic candidates as they are under-represented within the university at this level" << why would a job advert include this line?
[13:20] <oimon> are they suggesting that the best person for the job might not get picked due to race?
[13:20] <MooDoo> oimon: sounds standard to me to be honest
[13:20] <JGJones> they call it "positive discrimination"
[13:20] <AlanBell> oimon: it is OK to "welcome applications"
[13:21] <oimon> AlanBell: then the line is irrelevant surely? other institutions say "we are equal ooprtunities employer so welcome everybody"
[13:22] <AlanBell> yeah, well they are being a bit more encouraging
[13:22] <oimon> sucks IMO
[13:23] <AlanBell> meh IMO :)
[13:23] <AlanBell> anyhow, are you going for a job in a uni?
[13:23] <oimon> i work in a uni now
[13:24] <oimon> looking around
[13:24]  * AlanBell thinks we need to do some installfests in university computing societies
[13:24] <oimon> +1
[13:24] <AlanBell> where are you at now?
[13:25] <oimon> check my IP :)
[13:25] <AlanBell> and does anyone else here (such as dutchie) have contacts?
[13:25] <oimon> a lot of science staff use linux
[13:25] <daubers> AlanBell: I still know people at Swansea
[13:25] <daubers> (as does Alan Cox I suspect)
[13:26] <oimon> maths/physics/comp sci are EE are all v linux friendly in general
[13:26] <AlanBell> oimon: I am totally up for coming to qmul with a box of free CDs
[13:32] <oimon> AlanBell: have you done any at a uni? interested to know how it went
[13:34] <AlanBell> not yet
[13:34] <dutchie> AlanBell: oxford is too big and varied to do anything uni-wide i think
[13:35] <dutchie> would be best to target individual depts/colleges imo
[13:35] <dutchie> or OUCS, i suppose
[13:35] <AlanBell> dutchie: yeah, just want a room for an hour in an evening
[13:35] <dutchie> would be lovely if they could ditch exchange
[13:35] <AlanBell> OUCS would be ideal
[13:36] <oimon> would the uni arrange the publicity too?
[13:36]  * popey awards AlanBell his geek points back
[13:36] <AlanBell> just want to get CDs out to students
[13:36] <dutchie> apple seem to be allowed to spam us all with their marketing rubbish
[13:37] <dutchie> so there must be an "in" for advertisements of that sort
[13:37]  * popey consumes prawn wraps
[13:38] <oimon> summer is good at uni's because seminars and stuff close down or are less frequent
[13:38] <oimon> therefore rooms are free
[13:38] <oimon> on the downside, a lot of students go home
[13:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: Sometimes I worry about you I send you a text and a ping on irc both with the same message and the penny doesn't drop, there's no hope for you ;)
[13:40] <dutchie> undergraduates here at least are supposed to stay to the end of 8th week
[13:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: sorry took my brain our to poke czajkowski never put it back in to speak to you
[13:42] <oimon> another thing is supplying CDs to computer societies for freshers week
[13:43] <andylockran> hey guys - I've added the objectClass: hostObject to a few users and can sucessfully limit access per-user to different hosts using the host: attribute.  I'd like to be able to do this by group instead - any ideas?
[13:44] <oimon> interesting that compsocs at uni's seem to have died a bit
[13:57] <andylockran> quiet here today
[13:58] <JGJones> Nah, it wasn't quiet just a few minutes ago...giant flamewar, Godwin's law broken within second and all that.
[13:59] <JGJones> something to do with lager vs ale.
[13:59] <oimon> ponytails vs neckbeards
[14:00] <JGJones> The comeback of mullets
[14:01] <MooDoo> lager spit....pah!   and off we go :)
[14:02] <andylockran> I quite like perry
[14:02] <andylockran> as an aside, anyone good with OpenLDAP?
[14:03] <diplo> Nope andy, but if you get good with it pass on the knowledge, really really want to set a ldap server up but keep failing even with the tutorials :/
[14:04] <oimon> i find ldap a bit clunky
[14:05] <oimon> diplo: for home?
[14:06] <andylockran> diplo: more than happy to answer any questions..
[14:07] <oimon> andylockran: i only recently discovered that babycham is in fact perry
[14:15] <diplo> Nope, want to integrate into work oimon
[14:15] <diplo> Phone system and the Assett database that I want to write for all our customers hardware etfc
[14:15] <diplo> So we have one place to update customer info
[14:17] <diplo> andylockran, what do you use your ldap server on ? Ubuntu/RH ?
[14:18]  * daubers really wants to setup an asterisk system in the office
[14:20] <diplo> I also want to try that daubers
[14:20] <diplo> 2 projects I have on my list to test
[14:20] <daubers> diplo: Main thing stoppign me is apparently ISDN cards are some kind of voodoo magic
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> daubers: always have been
[14:24] <andylockran> diplo: I run it on debian, gentoo and CentOS
[14:24] <andylockran> diplo: got it n-way replicated across multiple sites too :)
[14:25] <daubers> The fact that ISDN cards seem to cost $extortionate always puts me off too
[14:30] <bigcalm> ISDN is still used?
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ISDN30 is in heavy use by companies
[14:34] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[14:38] <dwatkins> Can anyone please tell me if the FHS defines that subdirectories should be created within /usr/local - I can't see any mention in the docs...?
[14:42] <BigRedS> my redhat mug just broke :( Wonder if I've a support contract on it
[14:43] <daubers> bigcalm: ISDN30 is used for generic telephone services instead of POTS in most companies
[14:43] <daubers> we have 8 ISDN lines, and a POTS line for the ADSL :)
[14:43] <Laney> dwatkins: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY ?
[14:46] <diplo> Sorry guys phone/work
[14:46] <diplo> andylockran, I may call on you at some point in the near future then
[14:46] <diplo> My company mainly runs CentOS and I run Ubuntu servers
[14:47] <diplo> Will get a dev box up, find a decent tutorial and when I get stuck I will shout  :)
[14:47] <oimon> our zimbra server manages our ldap
[14:48] <diplo> How do you find Zimbra ? Tried the client.. not had chance to test the server yet.
[14:48] <oimon> fantastic
[14:48] <diplo> Does it install it as a dependancy ?
[14:48] <diplo> I'm guessing community edition ?
[14:48] <oimon> i use the paid version
[14:48] <oimon> for active sync and support
[14:48] <oimon> but the free edition is v similar
[14:51] <oimon> will be sad when the IT bullies impose exchange upon us
[14:52] <diplo> heh, it happened where i worked
[14:53] <diplo> I'm back on a linux mta now though at new job
[14:53] <diplo> Wondering about implementing Zimbra here
[14:53] <diplo> Only 20 ish of us
[14:53] <diplo> Instead of 700+
[14:54] <oimon> we have about 250 users on ours
[14:55] <oimon> but is very scalable
[14:55] <dwatkins> thanks Laney
[14:56] <Laney> np
[14:57] <dwatkins> I'm trying to find something that specifically says to create a subdirectory, but all the stuff I find only implies it, obvious as it is to me.
[15:06] <andylockran> Zimbra! is pretty cool - I've used that otoo
[15:06] <andylockran> Zimbra! + Samba FTW..
[15:06] <andylockran> :p
[15:06] <andylockran> all your office needs on one box
[15:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Why work for Canonical? - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-work-for-canonical.html
[15:10] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone,
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: afternoonisms :)
[15:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: afternoonings :)
[15:18] <AlanBell> an
[15:18] <AlanBell> oops
[15:19]  * AlanBell is on a phone keyboard
[15:19]  * brobostigon is impressed, google maps can do route planning on busses.
[15:22]  * popey wonders how often brobostigon drives a bus
[15:22] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:22] <popey> hows the tablet bigcalm ? :D
[15:22]  * brobostigon never drives a bug.
[15:22] <brobostigon> bus*
[15:23] <bigcalm> popey: the hash tag is appropriate
[15:23] <popey> indeed
[15:23] <bigcalm> Found that holding down the tiny reset button did the trick
[15:23] <davmor2> popey: I've driven a few buses
[15:23]  * popey offers bigcalm a link to http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad
[15:23] <bigcalm> I guess it's a physical connection of the battery
[15:24]  * brobostigon needs to plan, to go to oxford, via bus and train, to see his orthopedic doctor, concrning his osteoporosis.
[15:24]  * bigcalm offers popey a choise of fingers from his right hand. Sadly the thumb, index, ring and little fingers are in use
[15:24] <bigcalm> :P
[15:24] <davmor2> popey: not too different to Lorries only allowed to go faster on the motorway which I never really got
[15:24] <popey> :D
[15:24] <bigcalm> choice
[15:24] <popey> davmor2: momentum?
[15:25] <popey> not sure I'd want to be behind a lorry with a full load at 70MPH
[15:25] <popey> s/behind/infront of/
[15:25] <davmor2> popey: Nope they aren't limited as low as Lorries
[15:25] <popey> well, either
[15:25] <bigcalm> If you're towing, you aren't meant to be doing 70mph either
[15:25] <popey> thats the point I was making
[15:27] <davmor2> popey: a full bus and a lorry aren't hugely different in weight Lorry is 32 ton bug 23-25 ton  the bus however is full of people surely it should be going slower :D
[15:28] <davmor2> s/bug/bus
[15:29] <popey> thats ~10T difference
[15:29] <popey> hey ho, off to the dump
[15:29] <BigRedS> or 30ish%
[15:30] <davmor2> popey: either of them hit you at 70 you car is a small box :D
[15:31] <BigRedS> you're not likely to do much beter at 54mph either...
[15:31] <hamitron> if you are behind it, it is unlikely ;)
[15:35] <Myrtti> meh, tomorrow is midsummers eve, I've just spend 120€ on food for it, and here I am, unable to unwind...
[15:35] <Myrtti> can someone please turn my brain off for 30 minutes atleast
[15:35]  * hamitron turns the dial to 0
[15:35] <hamitron> no movement? :-o
[15:36] <JGJones> Too much methinks
[15:36] <JGJones> try 0.5 next time.
[15:46] <ikonia> popey: ping
[15:53] <popey> ikonia: pong
[15:53] <gord> Myrtti, i find http://rain.nxe7.com/ nice and relaxing
[15:54] <popey> apparently we're the 12th largest channel on freenode :D
[15:55] <MooDoo> yaya
[15:55] <DJones> Who are the top 10?
[15:55] <DJones> 1) Ubuntu, 2) ?
[15:55] <popey> 15:51:34 < szal> useless trivia -> the 5 largest *buntu channels on Freenode by user count: (1) #ubuntu; (2) #ubuntu-server; (3) #ubuntu-devel; (4) #ubuntu-offtopic; (5) #kubuntu
[15:55] <popey> 15:52:54 < szal> then on (6) and (7) follow the 2 largest non-English *buntu channels, #ubuntu-fr and #ubuntu-de
[15:56] <JGJones> largest ubuntu related channels or out of all channels?
[15:57] <popey> oh, *ubuntu ones :D
[15:57] <JGJones> #ubuntu is pretty big though...I don't really read it anymore, too fast
[15:58] <gord> i stay in #ubuntu mainly because its lurkers like me who will eventually push it over the 2k mark!
[15:58] <bigcalm> 1,562 users in there
[15:58] <bigcalm> Sheesh
[15:58] <Laney> it used to be a good stress test of IRC clients
[15:58] <popey> heh
[15:58] <popey> its a good stress test of piespy
[15:58] <Laney> joining it used to crash whatever it was I used a few years ago
[15:59] <gord> it was pretty good at stressing my ssd until i turned off logging :)
[16:02]  * Laney needs to find a man with van for next week
[16:15] <AlanBell> looks like another ex-chicken
[16:16] <bigcalm> Tea?
[16:18] <danfish> AlanBell: oops - what's the problem with it?
[16:19] <AlanBell> the passage of time mostly
[16:19] <AlanBell> none of us are getting younger
[16:19] <danfish> true - we all have an eggspiry date ;)
[16:20] <danfish> ....tumbleweed.........
[16:20] <MooDoo> tumbleweed.popey.com
[16:20] <MooDoo> in brand new html5 :)
[16:21] <daubers> danfish: That's just rotten. You'll make them all over eggcited.
[16:22] <MooDoo> i'm getting eggsaperated with all these egg yolks
[16:22] <bigcalm> Nothing html5 about that
[16:22] <MooDoo> oh thought it was html5 lol
[16:22] <bigcalm> As it is, it has syntax errors
[16:23] <bigcalm> View the source
[16:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: tell popey ;)
[16:23] <bigcalm> Just an animated GIF that has been flipped horizontally
[16:24] <AlanBell> http://oo00.eu/
[16:25] <danfish> MooDoo: you always over egg things
[16:26] <daubers> danfish: Stop egg-ing them on!
[16:26] <MooDoo> danfish: i'm just an eggcitable guy
[16:26] <MooDoo> danfish: eggcuse me
[16:27] <danfish> why, what have you done eggxactly?
[16:27] <davmor2> you must be yolking
[16:27] <MooDoo> i can't cope my brain is scrambles
[16:28] <davmor2> eggstreemly fried brain
[16:28] <MooDoo> roll on weekend when i'm at BAKE well....hmmmm beer
[16:28] <danfish> hhmmmmmmmm......BRAINS
[16:29] <AlanBell> I was expecting more of a parrot sketch themed conversation
[16:29] <MooDoo> AlanBell: nah that's a dead end
[16:29] <AlanBell> maybe I should nail it to the perch
[16:29] <davmor2> AlanBell: Nah that would be a tasteless gag and it isn't blue and in a cage
[16:29] <MooDoo> don't listen to AlanBell he's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy
[16:29] <bigcalm> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/5863158335/
[16:30] <MooDoo> bigcalm: fab :)
[16:30] <bigcalm> MooDoo: silly ;)
[16:31] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah silly, but fun from the doldrums of work
[16:31] <bigcalm> Yep!
[16:35] <danfish> yikes - been looking into (open source) video conferencing solutions (like big blue button) for our local dr's to use - the NHS-Internet net connection is only 33Mbps in either direction, meaning we'd gobble up most of that with one meeting :(
[16:37] <oimon> danfish: i've used tandberg in the past which supports standards e.g. ekiga can connect to it
[16:37] <oimon> works well over 256k or 2mb for HD
[16:38] <AlanBell> danfish: how many endpoints? 33MB sounds like quite a lot
[16:39] <danfish> AlanBell: oimon : I thought that as well, but going through the FAQ on big blue button with say 40users gives...
[16:40] <AlanBell> 40 users is a lot
[16:40] <danfish> oops - faq now gone down http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/FAQ
[16:41] <AlanBell> http://www.openmeetings.de/
[16:41] <danfish> if everyone is at home connecting to a service on the external internet, we should be at fine, but if we have users within the N3 connection, we'll start to use up a lot of the available bandwidth
[16:42] <AlanBell> oooh you mean the main N3 outlet
[16:42] <AlanBell> I thought you meant your surgery uplink
[16:42] <danfish> yes - main N3 uplink - but that's also our surgery uplink
[16:43] <AlanBell> so you might be a bit unpopular if you gobble it all up
[16:44] <danfish> a tad, yes. How would all those managers update their facebook statuses?
[16:45] <danfish> mind you, we've been thinking of getting a second internet connection for a while and switching to voip while we are at it
[16:47] <AlanBell> http://www.n3.nhs.uk/News/N3boostsNHSInternetGatewaytoprovidefasteraccesstokeyhealthcarewebsites.cfm
[16:48] <AlanBell> they are about to move from 3Gbps to 5Gbps for the main uplink
[16:48] <AlanBell> and london has a 10Gbps backbone
[16:48] <AlanBell> so the facebook updates should be safe
[16:49] <danfish> heh - I'd missed that one. Looks like some traffic shaping will be happening.
[17:07]  * oimon remembers to slap the uupc on his mp3 player before leaving for the day
[17:09] <popey> Dont forget to enter the competition!
[17:14] <bigcalm> I can't actually remember what the question was
[17:14] <bigcalm> Or what the prize was
[17:17] <popey> prize was an audio book
[17:17] <popey> non-drm mp3
[17:17] <bigcalm> Ah, yes
[17:31] <AlanBell> oimon: I can't find a computer society http://www.qmsu.org/sportsandactivities/societies/
[17:45] <AlanBell> dutchie: o/
[17:45] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=181466028575187
[18:08] <popey> http://www.manolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/history-of-computing-full.png
[18:08] <popey> fun
[18:16] <ali1234> popey: what is wrong with that pie chart?
[18:16] <ali1234> the pie has colours not in the legend
[18:16] <ali1234> and the shading makes it impossible to tell which is which anyway
[18:17] <ali1234> also windows 7 0.8% market share, and vista not even visible? there's no way that is correct
[18:18] <popey> isnt 7 going to be the 36.5?
[18:18] <directhex> ali1234, i think the correct colours are on the outer edge of the pie, not the top
[18:18] <directhex> ali1234, yes, this makes it hard to read
[18:18] <popey> linux is 0.8
[18:18] <popey> oh, no linux is 5.1
[18:18] <popey> 0.8 is mobile??
[18:18] <popey> that cant be right
[18:18] <directhex> popey, is that mobile?
[18:18] <popey> ah ok
[18:19] <directhex> popey, because of the broken colouring, it's impossible to tell the blues apart
[18:19] <popey> so linux _is_ 0.8, mobile is 5.1?
[18:19] <popey> yeah, bonkers
[18:25] <bigcalm> From reading most of the items, sounds like it was made by an Apple fanboi
[18:31] <shauno> none of the sources appear to cover his market share numbers.  that makes it rather awkward
[18:58] <daubers> Lo
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[19:30] <Adriannom> lo
[19:32] <davmor2> Adriannom: hello
[19:33] <davmor2> daubers: hello
[19:35] <Adriannom> got a i have a hp g61 running 10.04.  it has a hdmi port, which i'm using to connect it to a tevion tv.  the picture comes up ok other than the fact the colours are all screwed (white comes out pink, black comes out green, etc.).  any idea how i could find out what's wrong?
[19:35] <Adriannom> the g61 is a laptop btw
[19:36]  * Adriannom rereads the first line and frowns at "got a i have a"
[19:37] <AlanBell> tried a dvd player or something on that hdmi port?
[19:37] <Adriannom> nope, good point
[19:38] <AlanBell> it is the computer, the tv, or the cable, see which you can rule out
[19:39] <AlanBell> though I think hdmi cables either work or don't, I don't think there is anything inbetween
[19:40] <Adriannom> right, well it appears there's nothing else in the house that can connect with hdmi :|
[19:42] <Adriannom> there are two ports on the tv, tried the other one and it's the same
[19:43] <AlanBell> it probably is the computer, but I have not come across that issue before
[19:44] <AlanBell> ruling out the TV one way or another still sounds like a good thing to do
[19:44] <AlanBell> can you try different resolutions?
[19:44] <Adriannom> yeah all the same
[19:44] <ali1234> popey: that puts "mobile" as the 0.8%, even though on the legend mobile is lighter colour and on the chart it is darker colours
[19:44] <ali1234> popey: also what does "mobile" even mean? windows phone? iphone? if it's apple vs ms, why are they lumped in one category?
[19:45] <shauno> because MS's mobile presence is a rounding error ;)
[19:45] <AlanBell> bug 751735 | Adriannom
[19:45] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 751735 in linux (Ubuntu) "[intel 82G35] HDMI color issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751735
[19:45] <ali1234> just the first chart on the image has so many problems i'm not even going to bother looking at the rest of it
[19:46] <shauno> the pie chart sorely lacks sources.  makes it very difficult to take seriously
[19:47] <AlanBell> Adriannom: can you type lspci in a terminal and paste in here the line that relates to your video card (it will say VGA in it somewhere)
[19:49] <ali1234> shauno: here is some sourced data: http://www.indopost.com/blog/2011/06/worlds-smartphone-operating-system-market-share-in-2011-39-google-android-apple-ios-18-rim-blackberr.html
[19:49] <Adriannom> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[19:49] <davmor2> Adriannom: the issue might be the 10.04 drivers to be honest 10.04 is now a year old and the intel drivers have come a long way in that time
[19:50] <Adriannom> hmm
[19:50] <Adriannom> that bug does seem to fit
[19:50] <Adriannom> davmor2, is there a way of installing older drivers?
[19:51] <davmor2> AlanBell: g61 is intel gfx
[19:54] <AlanBell> Adriannom: I would maybe try a live CD of 11.04
[19:55] <Adriannom> AlanBell, ok i'll give that a go, cheers :)
[19:58] <Adriannom> thanks for your help, byee :)
[20:42] <JGJones> grumble...I always have expensive things breaking just after paying for bills, so I still have to shell out more...
[20:42] <JGJones> wifey's Canon 18-200mm IS lens got jammed and is being repaired.
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[20:44] <gord> managed to try out gnome-shell for a bit tonight, it does not like my gpu at all
[20:44] <gord> sooo slooow
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> gord: You should try unity
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> !jpc
[20:45] <gord> umm ok, i'll do that
[21:03] <daubers> The great deku tree was somewhat dumb in acting against ganon so late
[21:05] <daubers> also, 14 year old graphics on a brand new tv aren't very spectacular
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Try a ZX or BBC Micro on a 55" TV some time
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> daubers: it's GREAT
[21:05] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Still only 80 lines (or so) deep?
[21:05] <hamitron> definately a ZX ;/
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> daubers: of course
[21:06] <hamitron> oh noes
[21:06] <hamitron> my new tv doesn't have an analogue tuner
[21:06] <hamitron> :/
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't?
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> mine does
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> DVB-{T,C,S} and analog
[21:07] <hamitron> I hope the signal power booast lets me watch tv
[21:07] <hamitron> :D
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> ?
[21:08] <hamitron> can't get decent reception
[21:08] <hamitron> :/
[21:08] <hamitron> it is ok in the daytime sometimes, when no cars drive by
[21:08] <hamitron> so fingers crossed :D
[21:10] <hamitron> bbl, F1 2010
[21:31] <daubers> Twenty three is number 1!!
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> daubers: 25 or 6 to 4?
[21:33] <daubers> also, wasn't there a meeting tonight>
[21:35] <Core_UK> Hello ubuntu UK!
[21:35] <daubers> Meeting 22nd June 21:00 BST #ubuntu-uk-meeting <- last night then
[21:36] <Core_UK> Meh it was the same time as the debian meeting ><
[21:52]  * jacobw wasn't aware debian had IRC meetings
[21:53] <MichealH> AlanBell: Could I point the topic out to you? :P
[21:54] <AlanBell> you could
[21:54] <MichealH> AlanBell: The "meeting" was yesterday, It never took place so Uhh... The topic is old :P
[21:54] <AlanBell> yeah, anyone seen cyberjacob?
[21:55] <MichealH> I could be the next meeting chair if you wish
[21:55] <MichealH> Heck, I could do it tommorow If you like
[21:56] <AlanBell> bit soon
[21:56] <AlanBell> monday or tuesday?
[21:56] <MichealH> Tuesday
[21:56] <MichealH> Please
[21:57] <MichealH> Im out on Mon
[21:57] <AlanBell> ok, if cyberjacob resurfaces then he can chair, otherwise MichealH
[21:57] <AlanBell> shall we do an earlier one perhaps
[21:58] <AlanBell> 8PM?
[21:58] <MichealH> Yeah
[21:58] <MichealH> Tue 8PM
[22:00] <AlanBell> thanks MichealH
[22:01] <AlanBell> lets also make tuesday a bit of a day to do the reapproval application
[22:01] <MichealH> AlanBell: np
[22:09] <popey> I wont be around on tuesday ☹
[22:10] <daubers> I'm probably not either. Got to go to a potential customer in wantage
[23:38] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[23:41] <Deedle-dah> hey there
[23:46] <popey> hello Deedle-dah