[00:59] wow. finally got around to watching that terry pratchet right-to-die piece. heavy stuff :/ [03:00] #ubuntu [07:16] morning all [07:53] Morning [07:53] moo popey [07:53] right thats the wife and kids packed out the door [07:53] Early? [07:54] Morning [07:54] Mine are still screaming and shouting at each other ;-) [07:54] heh [07:54] nah, 8am is usual leaving time [07:54] Hi nigelb how are you? [07:55] Wifey has a new job at the school where the kids go, which makes life a lot easier :D [07:55] Handy. [07:56] means I pretty much never have to do the school run again [08:03] TheOpenSourcerer: Just getting to start a busy busy day :) [08:03] And ew, I'm going to be working on windows servers. [08:06] Ewww. [08:06] nasty [08:06] Prepare for lots of reboots then ;-) [08:06] we have exactly one app that runs on windows at work [08:06] it's the biggest pile of crud ever [08:07] I already terminated the isntance once. [08:07] Recreating now. [08:07] I just heard about Ross Gardler and Steve Lee's new venture. [08:07] who? [08:07] http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.org/wp/2011/06/20/all-change-please-situation-normal/ [08:07] OSS-Wiatch [08:07] Watch [08:13] Cheap tablets are coming... http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/22/archos-unveils-bare-bones-arnova-7-android-tablet-priced-at-99/ [08:15] good morning everyone, [08:18] morning brobostigon [08:18] morning TheOpenSourcerer [08:19] * brobostigon has coffee number 1. [08:29] hi, anyone able to tell me if you still need the ubuntu alternative cd for raid setups in the latest iteration. [08:29] you do [08:29] well [08:29] technically you don't [08:29] you can manually setup raid from the live cd [08:29] but ubiquity doesnt prompt for it [08:29] oh, did not know that using fstab ? [08:29] using mdadm [08:30] boot from live cd, open terminal, sudo apt-get install mdadm [08:30] fstab, what am i saing i mean fdisk [08:30] fdisk and mdadm, yes [08:30] aha, cool never thought about doing it that way useful to know :) [08:31] i have done it that way before [08:31] once you have the array up, then start ubiquity and do the install onto it [08:31] will save downloading another iso at least, cheers most helpful as usual :) [08:32] np :D [08:38] Morning all [08:38] suppose I better take this hire car back [08:52] popey: make a few doughnuts along the way [08:53] hah [08:53] Isn't that what hire cars are for? [08:53] The car we bought for wifey is an ex-hire car [08:54] when she heard that she instantly went off it [08:54] I would too [08:54] meh [08:54] you can't know what kind of driver the person who had the car before you is like [08:54] whilst thats x1000 when it's a hire car, it's the same thing [08:54] No, but there's more chance of a hire car being treated badly [08:55] then it will have had a variety of drivers, not one boy racer [08:55] yeah [08:55] swings and roundabouts [08:55] or roundabouts and sharp corners [08:55] This is why I drive a 407 estate. Not likely to be driven by a boy racer ;) [08:56] heh [08:56] well, this is only a corsa [08:56] which wifey will have with the kids [08:56] and means I get my volvo back! [08:57] I learnt to drive in one [08:58] my volvo needs some tidying up [08:58] scrapes and scratches [08:58] Due to your wife's driving? [08:59] not exclusively [08:59] it has a big scratch/scuff on one side because she scraped it against a roof support in a car park [09:00] and the petrol flap came off [09:01] although that came off when I drove to Lugradio live about 3 years ago :D [09:01] Heh [09:02] * popey buys one on ebay whilst he thinks about it [09:02] My car has 2 scrapes on it, both due to multistory carparks [09:03] There is a carpark next to The Imperial (chinese buffet) in Woverhampton (lugradians will have visited it many times). NEVER go there in a long car with poor turning circle! [09:03] i was going to say how the hell do you scrap a roof support with the side, but i'm guessing that means a pillar not a beam [09:03] I know it well [09:04] "roof support" [09:04] yeah, pillar [09:04] My Volvo is rather scratched and dented - mostly by SWMBO [09:05] And we are missing one rather large gatepost. Also due to SWMBO [09:05] also, need to sort the gearbox issue I have with it [09:05] On a different note - my eldest son goes to Charterhouse School this afternoon. [09:05] Godalming? [09:05] Yep. [09:06] I know it [09:06] Big place# [09:06] round the corner from some relatives [09:06] Since 1611. [09:06] They haven't been there as long as that [09:06] cricket or something? [09:06] Hehe [09:07] * popey rummages on the volvo forums [09:07] It's year of Chemistry apparently. And 8 kids from my son's choll were selected to and spend an afternoon there. [09:07] s/choll/school [09:07] TheOpenSourcerer: is yours a D5? [09:07] http://www.charterhouse.org.uk/ [09:08] V70 2.4Turbo [09:08] TheOpenSourcerer: don't let popey nick your petrol cap [09:08] heh [09:08] wont fit anyway [09:08] mine's diesel [09:08] TheOpenSourcerer: auto or manual? [09:08] Blimey: http://www.charterhouse.org.uk/admissions/Fees.aspx [09:08] Auto popey [09:09] does yours ever slip when changing gear? [09:09] no [09:09] And you can't have my gearbox [09:09] going from 1st to 2nd mine revs up like it's in nutral [09:09] then clonks into gear [09:09] Eugh [09:09] only from 1st to 2nd [09:10] Gearboxes are costly even to look at, let alone fix [09:10] well, i have seen some posts that suggest it's easily fixed sometimes [09:10] like via gearbox fluid change [09:10] or going through the gears 30 times or so [09:10] (sat still) [09:12] * popey starts a new thread on the volvoforums [09:12] * popey hates forums [09:13] actually, will post this after I take hire car back [09:13] morning al [09:13] morning MooDoo [09:14] morning MooDoo [09:14] I dislike them as well. But I had to join one last night becuase the freenode channel were very off putting. I forget that not all channels are as nice as this one [09:14] TheOpenSourcerer: brobostigon morning [09:18] http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?p=933190 [09:18] there we go [09:19] i know little about cars, but sounds like sloppy gear changes have left 2nd gear a bit worn down, so it can't exchange properly? [09:20] * popey shrugs [09:21] hehe, hire company just called asking when I was bringing the car back [09:21] suppose I'd best get dressed then :D [09:22] i complained of a similar issue (except mine is a stiff 2nd gear) to my knowledgable friend and he told me 2nd gear is always the one with problems. people often don't exchange the clutch fully between 1st and 2nd [09:22] its an auto [09:22] oh lol [09:22] :D [09:22] yes, "lol" ☹ [09:23] popey: Is that why you have a rental for now? [09:23] s/rental/hire [09:23] no [09:24] rental is because wifeys car got trashed [09:24] by a neighbour [09:24] * oimon is having bopiler repaired today...£400 :( [09:24] ouchh [09:24] popey: what!?! [09:24] pulled out in front of me [09:24] we collided [09:24] wrote my car off [09:24] ouch :( [09:25] hey ho, it happens :D [09:25] popey: all to often :( [09:26] half-way into the road seems to be the new give way line in london [09:26] hey ho i'll just pull out into the road and look when i get into the middle [09:28] morning [09:28] hiya [09:29] glad you're ok, popey [09:29] * bigcalm writes an email to a client called Lala and can't help but giggle [09:29] to quote Prof Brian Cox - "things can only get better" [09:29] once my sister had a client called Mrs Tomato [09:33] Dell have someone called Demis Dememis [09:33] (say it aloud) [09:33] sounds like Denace the menace to me [09:33] :) [09:34] i wonder if he's friends with the dell SAN guy i met called Del Lunn [09:34] ttfn [09:35] hope popey turns off the webcam while he gets dressed [09:35] lol [09:36] popey gets dressed in the garden? [09:36] bigcalm: i didn't want to check lol [09:42] anyone used a synology box? trying to install stuff but dont know the command :/ [09:44] http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/Basic_commands_to_get_around_the_Synology_Box_using_the_CLI might help, dogmatic69 - although I imagine you've seen this already [09:44] ah thanks, no ive not [09:44] just been looking at the terminal after :) [09:46] hmm, they say ipkg ... if its installed already :/ [09:46] can i install apt-get ? [09:50] or should i use something else maybe [10:02] http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/23/the-acorn-a7000-portable-mod-is-what-your-macbook-looks-like-in/ [10:05] man, this is one lean version of linux :/ [10:05] no installer, download yum, no make, download make, no c compiler ... [10:10] didn't daubers do a 30 days with windows...nothing updated since day 2...getting worried :D [10:10] oimon: i'm sure he's doing fine :) [10:10] oimon: Probably still got a BSOD [10:10] he was assimilated [10:10] if he came from KDE4 he might be OK [10:10] just don't click on anything [10:11] i'm going to do 30 days with a ZX Spectrum one day [10:11] oimon: windows isn't that bad :) [10:11] lol [10:11] zx spectrum, 30 days of Manic Miner :) [10:11] MooDoo: i find it a productivity nightmare [10:11] * popey returns [10:12] and that's without my friends calling me about the latest viruses [10:12] oimon: each to their own i gues [10:12] nah - daubers is now on the #windows-fanbois channel ;) [10:12] ihihihih [10:12] oimon: i'm sorry but anyone that gets a virus is either not runing the latest definition or is visiting some site and not watching what they are clicking on...... [10:12] ner ner ner ner ner [10:13] mcafee doesn't detect the viruses that most people seem to get [10:13] danfish: fanbois? never seen it called that before :) [10:14] had to assist a friend remotely to fix "Win 7 Antispyware 2012 " which installed itself on a pc and didn't allow any use until it gets registered with a CC [10:15] oimon: I've seen that as well, its a pig to get rid of [10:15] oimon: DJones yeah had to do it last week, registry hack in the end to fix it [10:16] but at the end of the day it was my friends fault for clicking links he shouldn't of..... [10:16] i did try to put ubuntu on his machine though lol he spotted me putting the cd in ;) [10:27] ok, if i need gcc to install make, and gcc needs a compiler to install... how do i install gcc? [10:31] dogmatic69: ah, reminds me of CS101 [10:31] pita [10:31] * oimon glances over at the compilers book on the shelf [10:31] * dogmatic69 has given up [10:32] dogmatic69: don't give up [10:32] dogmatic69: Read the linuxfromscatch.org book to find out how to make a clean compiler from a compiler. [10:32] :S [10:32] dogmatic69: can't you just install build-essential? [10:33] MooDoo: i was trying to get yum on [10:33] how would i install that? [10:33] only useful command i have is wget [10:33] install yum? or build-essential [10:34] well yum requires make, which requires gcc, which requires gcc .. [10:34] see the problem :D [10:34] sudo apt-get install build-essential [10:34] lol [10:34] so install build-essential and then install yum after [10:34] its not ubuntu [10:34] Ahh [10:34] Then read LFS. [10:35] dogmatic69: what os then? [10:35] its a synology box [10:35] redhat/centos doesn't have a build-essential package [10:35] So would have to download all seperately [10:35] ah [10:35] its linux, some custom stripped down arm version i think [10:35] You need what is called a toolchain. [10:35] There are some recursions in that there toolchain [10:43] There's gcc in them there toolchains! [10:50] * BigRedS swears at sorbs [10:51] Found that I can add my own DNS settings to the android tablet if I tell it to use a static IP address. Though I don't really want to run a DNS server just for the tablet :( [10:56] dogmatic69: there's always a compiler [10:56] not necesssarily gcc. [10:57] but getting it to work might involve hair pulling [10:57] you can probably stick debian on those synology boxes [10:57] We recently worked with SCO Unixware. [10:58] It was like a blast in the past. [11:00] We had to build a Woody box the other day :) [11:13] Wooodeeeeeeee! [11:14] Aloha [11:17] czajkowski: hello [11:17] After SCO suing everyone (wasn't it them?) you'd thin they have good enough packages/software. [11:17] They have a really old UI, 1993 versions of perl, and such madness. [11:19] nah, they've been famed as a lawyer rather than a software outfit for about a decade [11:20] they just gave up and ran it into the ground, whilst trying to make as much legal mischief as they could on the way down [11:20] and still not quite entirely dead [11:31] Morning all. :) [11:32] Can anyone suggest a good VPS provider? I want to get my e-mail back online if nothing else. Bytemark seem to fit the bill, but I'm interested in other recommendations too. [11:32] Bytemark or Bitfolk. [11:32] memset [11:32] For a small VPS either are fine. Bitfolk probably a bit cheaper. [11:33] We also use Hetzner [11:33] for big boxes. [11:33] morning all [11:34] davmor2: morning [11:34] MooDoo: Sunday dude, I hope you know a pub that does decent food in bakewell :D [11:35] davmor2: i'll ask the father in law.....he's been around those parts for years....but yes there are a few :) [11:36] Hetzner - they're cheap but don't rely on them for support [11:38] it is fully automatic, never spoken to anyone [11:38] MooDoo: nice [11:40] davmor2: hmph why aren't you in my phone contacts list....how very dare you [11:40] * davmor2 prods czajkowski to remind her it's morning :) [11:40] * czajkowski glares at davmor2 [11:40] davmor2: czajkowski double poke..... [11:40] MooDoo: I haven't put my number on FB or twitter [11:40] JamesTait: Linode's an option. [11:40] davmor2: that explains it then :D [11:41] About time, one down, countless thousands still to go http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13887152 [11:41] MooDoo: oi! [11:41] czajkowski: i was being gentle...... [11:41] davmor2: think i'll tease czajkowski all day about eating bakewell pudding all weekend :p [11:42] MooDoo: I am now :D [11:43] MooDoo: No play fair, tease her about plotting her demise when we get together :D [11:43] I've just come across the 'rename' tool. It's awesome [11:44] TheOpenSourcerer: Ah, bitfolk was the other I was trying to remember. [11:44] for some unknown reason I've got the whole gnome rawness experience going on, on my desktop this morning [11:44] jpds: I looked at linode, but they seem to be more-or-less identical to Bytemark. [11:50] ? [11:51] ! [11:51] Ah well, bitfolk are out of capacity, so Bytemark it is. [11:51] wow [11:52] I always forget - is Bitfolk the one run by "the Alans" or something similar, who were at LRL and OggCamp? [11:53] JamesTait: Bitfolk is run by Andy Smith [11:53] not us [11:53] Andy does turn up to lots of stuff [11:53] Hey guys, can anyone help me please? [11:53] sohaib: sure, ask a question [11:54] I get them and Bytemark mixed up - but Bitfolk does sound familiar, I'm sure they were at one of the events I went to. [11:54] thanks AlanBell [11:55] JamesTait: they sponsored both oggcamps [11:55] AllanBell: I have just installed latest ubuntu now when i right click to an ntfs partition and select permission tab, it says permissions could not be determined for that partition. [11:55] and andy was at both [11:55] dutchie: That'll be it then. [11:57] JamesTait: i'm using memset, they do appear cheaper....at first glance [11:57] sohaib: yeah, ntfs permissions are going to be for users that Ubuntu doesn't know about [11:58] MooDoo: Oh, I thought that was a tool or a system call - I didn't realise it was in response to my question. :) [11:59] JamesTait: lol sorry i should of been more clear :) memset.com [11:59] AllnBell: what should i do then? because i want to create a home network of uuntu and MS and i am afraid if anyone will be able o access those shared ntfs partitions [11:59] !tab| sohaib [11:59] sohaib: You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [12:00] Thanks folks - I knew I could rely on you. :) [12:00] sohaib: so you have a drive in an ubuntu machine with an NTFS partition on it? [12:00] sohaib: or an ubuntu machine accessing a windows share over the network? [12:02] AllanBell: yes, i have two ntfs partitions which i want to share over a network. no, ubuntu machine is not accessing a windows share over the network. [12:03] sohaib: To control individual user access I would probably use Samba (Windows Networking) instead of NTFS mounted shares [12:03] Then you do not need NTFS and can use EXT4 partitions on your server. [12:04] yeah, not sure why you want NTFS partitions [12:06] TheOpenSourcerer: i am going to use Samba for home network setup but the reason is i have lots of data to be shared on ntfs partitions so i want them to share over the network. [12:08] if you're sharing over the network, it doesn't matter what the filesystem is [12:08] I'm unsure of the capabilities of NTFS for user-based block allocation. EXT4 is a superior file system http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/230527/ubuntu_linux_day_16_ext4_vs_ntfs.html [12:09] well it does matter a bit, best to use a filesystem that can store permissions in the right way for the operating system [12:10] BigRedS, i understand this i have tried this in previous version of ubuntu i was able to create network but when i used to access those partitions it always said me you have no permissions to acess this directory [12:10] I have some prawns, in shells, uncooked. Pondering what to do with them for lunch [12:10] popey: Give them back to the sea :-) [12:10] hah [12:10] cook, add mayo, make sandwich, bring round to me [12:10] not sure the sea will want them [12:10] hah [12:10] my cat likes prawns [12:11] my cat loves ham [12:11] and cheese [12:11] sohaib: that's down to the filesystem permissions, not what filesystem you're using [12:11] ham and cheese toastie, yum [12:11] AlanBell, so what should i do now to make them accessible over the network? [12:11] you'll have fewer permissions issues using unixy filesystems in linux than using windowsy ones [12:11] with baked beans \o/ [12:11] A spicy tomato/coconut type curry sauce would be good - Perhaps with tamaring to sour it up a bit. [12:11] s/tamaring/tamarind [12:12] !samba [12:12] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [12:12] BigRedS, is it possible to make a specific folder accessible over the network which is located on an ntfs Partition? [12:12] sohaib: Samba is pretty much the de-facto server based solution for windows shares - it works. You just have to configure it right. [12:13] yeah, but you'll need to work around the fact that NTFS permissions are not supported by Linux [12:13] Why do you need to use an NTFS partition? [12:13] It will be easier to set up if you don't use an NTFS permission [12:14] sohaib: maybe ask in #samba if you really want to share NTFS parititons from linux http://www.samba.org/samba/irc.html [12:14] TheOpenSourcerer, is there any way to resize my ubuntu partitions so i can move that data from ntfs to ubuntu? [12:14] gparted [12:15] !gparted [12:15] gparted is a !GTK/!Gnome !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php [12:15] I hate it when you have data stuck somewhere, and you have nowhere to move it :/ [12:15] MOAR disk space. [12:15] Or delete old stuff. [12:15] TheOpenSourcerer: yeh, I get more and fill it [12:15] ;) [12:16] TheOpenSourcerer, is there any step by step instructions to configure samba correctly [12:17] There are loads - all over the internet. [12:17] Correctly is entirely your choice. [12:17] :) [12:18] the smb.conf file is heavily commented [12:18] so the lazy can just modify that for basic setups [12:18] perfect for me ;) [12:19] \o/ lazy [12:19] TheOpenSourcerer, BigRedS, AlanBell: thank you so much guys, i try to cope with this and if i culdn't go nowhere, i'll get back to you. Cheers [12:19] computing is all about applied lazyness [12:20] time for fish and chips [12:20] bbl o/ [12:23] Nokia's N9 look fantastic...if it came out 2 years ago. Pity [12:24] JGJones, i don't know what to think about it. [12:25] I liked the N900...but nothing since then was killing meego. shame, it had potenital, but today up against Android and iOS, it's a huge mountain [12:26] anyway it doesn't have a future, Nokia laid off 7000 staff from two depts - symbian and meego. [12:29] yeah, friend of mine works there, she's got one year left [12:30] they just promoted her too (after the closure announcement) which is odd [12:32] * selinuxium is waiting for his Galaxy S II to arrive.... [12:32] shame...I actually want a N9, it look nice, but I won't get it. [12:36] * diplo wants a smartphone but doesn't want a contract [12:36] If anyone wants to sell one cheaply :) [12:38] I'm on the blag for hardware to review on the podcast. have tapped up a couple of laptop manufacturers, other suggestions? [12:38] ubuntu-centric would be handy :D [12:39] lo [12:40] popey: fancy keyboards http://keyboardco.com/ [12:40] ooo [12:40] * daubers loves leftovers for lunch [12:40] * popey wonders if they do model-m like ones [12:40] * AlanBell wonders what a model-m is [12:40] awesome [12:40] WHAT!> [12:40] * popey deducts some geek points from AlanBell [12:41] only the greatest keyboard known to man [12:41] (and woman) [12:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M_keyboard [12:41] want one of them, USB, with a "windows" key [12:42] you can usb it with a usb to ps/2 adaptor and some ingenuity [12:42] talking to keyboardco.com about doing a CoF on the super key [12:42] you want PS/2 actually [12:42] it does N-key rollover better [12:43] I have a spare Unicomp keyboard if anybody wants it [12:43] US layout sadly [12:43] (can I have my geek points back now please) [12:43] * MooDoo is vexed, ok admit it who mentioned fish and chips [12:43] * bigcalm <3 his Unicomp keyboard. Hayley does not [12:44] MooDoo: it was danfish [12:44] That, or you just looked at his nick [12:44] why would ps/2 do n-key better than USB? [12:44] bigcalm: damn him, now i want chich and fips [12:44] * TheOpenSourcerer has left-over macaroni cheese for lunch. Avec something hot like chilli sauce... [12:45] "Unicomp has had difficulty making them profitable because they rarely break, and most retailers will not stock such an expensive keyboard." [12:45] Heh [12:46] the Filco keyboards are *very* nice [12:46] Even less proffit from me as they sent me a US layout when I ordered a UK one [12:48] http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=688 those are nice too, a roller mouse is interesting and but it really works rather well [12:49] i worked with someone who had one of those [12:49] horrid things [12:49] she had bad rsi which is why she used it [13:02] we appear to be having a weather failure here :( [13:06] [Laura Czajkowski] Planet Ubuntu Ireland Lets get chatting - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/06/23/planet-ubuntu-ireland-lets-get-chatting/ [13:09] AlanBell: no rain yet but it's looking bleak here to....although sunday is supposed to be warm [13:11] * BigRedS is being attacked with ubuntu stickers again [13:13] popey: the USB protocol only allows for 6 simultaneous keypresses apparently [13:13]