[04:21] <philipballew> hardware question: where would you guys recommend getting a new Internet modem? i'm fine with buying used. just need to make sure it works
[04:25] <sn9> define "internet modem"
[04:26] <sn9> a modem is nominally a device for dial-up
[04:27] <philipballew> dsl modem
[04:27] <philipballew> phone line in. cet5 out
[04:27] <sn9> garage sales and craigslist, as well as dumpsters
[04:27] <sn9> oh, wait, you said "new"
[04:27] <philipballew> haha. but would all dsl modems work with att?
[04:28] <sn9> no
[04:28] <philipballew> no. i prefer used
[04:28] <sn9> most would
[04:28] <philipballew> yeah. most should
[04:28] <sn9> relatively few exceptions
[04:28] <philipballew> how so?
[04:28] <sn9> but i'd recommend against at&t
[04:30] <philipballew> i dont like it either. but its that or satellite here. what do you dislike about them?
[04:30] <sn9> satellite is not worth it
[04:30] <sn9> but i'd STILL recommend against at&t
[04:31] <sn9> how is it possible for there to be fewer choices in roseville than in sac?
[04:31] <philipballew> its auburn. and the other choises dont go our way of town here
[04:32] <sn9> hmm. lemme try a prequal
[04:33] <philipballew> alright!
[04:33] <philipballew> its been several years since we looked at other options
[04:34] <sn9> should i check by phone# or address?
[04:35] <philipballew> 5308858516
[04:35] <akk> There's no rhyme or reason to where there are broadband choices.
[04:35] <philipballew> akk very true
[04:35] <akk> I'm a short bike ride from downtown SJ, and we have hardly any choices.
[04:35] <akk> I knew people who lived up on Skyline and had broadband 2 years before we could get it.
[04:37] <philipballew> heres my choice http://cgi.ebay.com/AT-T-Westell-DSL-Modem-/140566772438?pt=PCC_Modems&hash=item20ba6ebad6#ht_500wt_1156
[04:37] <sn9> it says you already have dsl
[04:37] <philipballew> i do have dsl
[04:37] <philipballew> and its att dsl
[04:37] <philipballew> i just need a new modem
[04:37] <sn9> then you can have any isp you want
[04:38] <sn9> just file a change of isp form
[04:38] <philipballew> hum. ill have to look into this
[04:39] <sn9> what are you putting behind the dsl modem, btw?
[04:39] <philipballew> a firewall and router connected to a desktop and a desktop server
[04:40] <sn9> so you have 3 separate boxes? firewall, router, modem? you know you can use just one as all 3 if it runs linux, right?
[04:41] <philipballew> yeah. i have the server and firewall on the same box but i want my own desktop as i would prefer my server/firewall to be more stable then my computer habbits  make things
[04:42] <philipballew> so i have 2 boxes
[04:43] <sn9> server/firewall, router, modem is 3
[04:43] <sn9> unless the server is also the router
[04:46] <philipballew> well the modem and router are not was i thought you ment by boxes
[04:47] <sn9> why are the router and firewall separate?
[04:49] <philipballew> i have a firewall on the router. biut i have a firewall with my server
[04:49] <philipballew> i gtg!
[20:28] <philipballew> ifa laptop wont boot from usb and has no internal cd drive. what would you say is a good way to install a linux bassed system?
[20:34] <MarkDude> put it in another system, and install Puppy Linux
[20:34] <MarkDude> wait for reboot after installing- take it out, put it in system
[20:35] <philipballew> hum. makes scene. would it pull all the drivers then on reboot in the new system?
[20:36] <MarkDude> yes
[20:36] <MarkDude> taht is how Puppy works
[20:36] <MarkDude> I have seen it done with Ubuntu, Fedora, it depends on the video card - if it will let you do it
[20:37] <pleia2> yeah, I've done it with Ubuntu, it's pretty clever if you don't have complicated hardware
[20:37] <pleia2> (one of the good things about non-static xorg.conf)
[20:43] <MarkDude> the main thing with it is removing video drivers if there is an issue, although it will let you go to a failsafe mode