| snap-l | Hello again | 01:31 |
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| rick_h_ | party! | 01:32 |
| snap-l | Hello, Ubuntu Hourers. | 01:36 |
| snap-l | Hours D'ourves? | 01:36 |
| rick_h_ | mpiccinato: http://npmjs.org/ | 02:11 |
| brousch | learning sqlalchemy and flask-sqlalchemy | 02:26 |
| rick_h_ | awesome | 02:27 |
| rick_h_ | we had a SA discussion earlier | 02:27 |
| rick_h_ | crap, we might lose our Detroit in the UH:CHC name :( | 04:11 |
| rick_h_ | knew that would come back to bite me | 04:11 |
| widox | rick_h_: why's that? | 04:16 |
| rick_h_ | group around wayne state wants to start up in july | 04:17 |
| rick_h_ | wonder if they can have dtw since they're actually dtw | 04:17 |
| widox | ah | 04:18 |
| widox | change us to detroit-metro | 04:19 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I hit them back with the idea of making the /detroit.html page a combo | 04:19 |
| rick_h_ | that linked to new north/south/west/east or something | 04:19 |
| rick_h_ | because I've been sharing that /detoit.html link for 2yrs | 04:19 |
| rick_h_ | we'll see how it goes | 04:20 |
| snap-l | Bah | 04:26 |
| rick_h_ | copied you on my reply snap-l | 04:27 |
| snap-l | just because they're in Detroit doesn't mean they should have the Detroit name. | 04:27 |
| snap-l | ;) | 04:27 |
| rick_h_ | well there's also down river | 04:27 |
| rick_h_ | naw, I knew when I did it I was cheating hard core | 04:27 |
| rick_h_ | trying to match up to AA | 04:27 |
| rick_h_ | and want to encourage new ones to sprout up, though honestly, we're the most active of them all | 04:28 |
| snap-l | Heh | 04:28 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it happens | 04:28 |
| _stink_ | wait someoue around WSU wants to do something? | 04:31 |
| _stink_ | someone | 04:31 |
| _stink_ | hard to believe | 04:31 |
| snap-l | Blame ColonelPanic001 | 04:32 |
| snap-l | He's the instigator | 04:32 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: yea, new CHC by you | 04:32 |
| _stink_ | oh THAT guy? | 04:32 |
| _stink_ | geez | 04:32 |
| rick_h_ | https://gist.github.com/1041857 | 04:32 |
| snap-l | We won't rock the boat. We'll go with Detroit Midtown. We're hoping to attract Wayne State students and activate the TechTown area. | 04:32 |
| snap-l | Could even go "Detroit Downtown" | 04:33 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we'll see. anyway, sleepy time | 04:36 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: still need to see if you can ColonelPanic001 want bmark.us accounts or not | 04:37 |
| rick_h_ | I'll ping you guys tomorrow probably | 04:37 |
| rick_h_ | then shut it down for travel time wheeee | 04:37 |
| greg-g | g'morning | 12:22 |
| greg-g | I'm going to start racing rick_h_ to get the first bookmark of the day on bmark.us :) | 12:22 |
| greg-g | he won today, but, I will win one of these days! | 12:22 |
| _stink_ | morning | 12:25 |
| * Wolfger swoops in and ninjas the first bmark tomorrow | 12:53 | |
| Wolfger | morning greg-g and _stink_ | 12:54 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: hah! I thought that this morning | 12:56 |
| rick_h_ | checked it, nothing on there for today | 12:56 |
| jcastro | smoser: | 13:04 |
| jcastro | hey when is this cloud thing again? Like the time frame? | 13:04 |
| snap-l | Heh | 13:09 |
| Wolfger | the cloud is eternal, innit? ;-) | 13:15 |
| snap-l | The cloud is like the community pool | 13:16 |
| snap-l | "The cloud will be open from 7am-6pm, M-F" | 13:16 |
| snap-l | "Down for maintenance from 1pm-2pm" | 13:16 |
| snap-l | "Adult Swim from 7pm-10pm" | 13:17 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: actaully, that makes me think of the badges stuff | 13:28 |
| rick_h_ | 'early bird badge, first bookmark of the day | 13:28 |
| rick_h_ | 'wikipedia time vortex, 5 consecutive bookmarks from wikipedia' | 13:28 |
| greg-g | dude! yes! | 13:29 |
| rick_h_ | 'techcunch ninny bookmarking a techcrunch bookmark for 5 straight days' | 13:29 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 13:29 |
| snap-l | Oh God. | 13:29 |
| rick_h_ | and we just lost snap-l as a user | 13:30 |
| snap-l | If you want a collection of shit bookmarks, this is the way to get it. :) | 13:30 |
| rick_h_ | bah, everyone already has a collection of crap :P | 13:30 |
| greg-g | yeah | 13:30 |
| rick_h_ | this would just make it a badge of honor | 13:30 |
| greg-g | also, you can design the badges to encourage the behavior you want | 13:30 |
| rick_h_ | 'video wannabe: 10 youtube bookmarks in a week' | 13:30 |
| Wolfger | The "nothing to see here" badge, bookmarking Slashdot instead of the parent article. | 13:31 |
| snap-l | Jukebox: 10 bookmarks from Jamendo / Bandcamp. :) | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | anyway, not that there's time to do that any time soon, but greg made me think of it | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | funny stuff | 13:31 |
| brousch | that would add to the social aspects | 13:36 |
| brousch | then you have to integrate facebook and twitter so people can post their badges | 13:36 |
| rick_h_ | ok, this is crap: http://uploads.mitechie.com/va_weather.png.png | 13:51 |
| brousch | you weren't planning on being outside were you? | 13:52 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 13:53 |
| rick_h_ | guess not now | 13:53 |
| Wolfger | Bah. | 13:53 |
| Wolfger | scattered and isolated | 13:53 |
| Wolfger | man up and get out there | 13:54 |
| snap-l | I don't know what this conference call is that I'm on, but it sounded like I leveled up when the chairperson arrived | 14:03 |
| snap-l | badoop | 14:03 |
| snap-l | badoop | 14:03 |
| snap-l | badoop | 14:03 |
| snap-l | badoop | 14:03 |
| snap-l | badoop | 14:03 |
| snap-l | badoop | 14:03 |
| snap-l | badoop | 14:03 |
| jjesse | lol | 14:03 |
| jjesse | i love conference calls :) | 14:03 |
| snap-l | This one came out of the blue, and has about a million participants | 14:03 |
| snap-l | I hope everyone has mute, otherwise this will be hell | 14:04 |
| jjesse | whats that youtube video of the comedian doing the conference call, i'm always reminded of that when i join a call w/ a lot of attendees | 14:09 |
| snap-l | I have no idea why I'm a part of this meeting | 14:09 |
| snap-l | Has something to do with a department that I have no dealings with at all | 14:10 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: You're back at Chrysler??? | 14:10 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Feels like it | 14:10 |
| Wolfger | I hate those meetings | 14:11 |
| snap-l | There's several players that are apparently important | 14:11 |
| snap-l | and there's feedback loop | 14:11 |
| Wolfger | We have one guy at this plant who always repeats the last sentence somebody said.... | 14:12 |
| Wolfger | I can't decide if he's "active listening", or just a parrot | 14:12 |
| snap-l | Both | 14:12 |
| snap-l | A parrot has to listen very carefully to mimic what they're hearing | 14:13 |
| snap-l | Yay, it sounds like a re-org. | 14:14 |
| rick_h_ | oops | 14:14 |
| snap-l | And now the smoke-up-the-ass part of the announcement | 14:15 |
| snap-l | And now the reassurance | 14:15 |
| snap-l | I swear, every manager has the same playbook | 14:17 |
| jjesse | they all go to the same class | 14:17 |
| snap-l | They could compress these so much better. | 14:17 |
| snap-l | John: #43. Nick: Oh, definitely #67 | 14:18 |
| jjesse | just do it over twitter so they have only 140 characters to announce things | 14:18 |
| snap-l | Bahahaha. Someone just piped up that there's 178 people on the call, and not just leadership | 14:19 |
| jjesse | d'oh | 14:19 |
| snap-l | ie: don't freak out the workerbees with the direct face of insanity. | 14:19 |
| snap-l | "Please keep delivering" | 14:20 |
| snap-l | Sheesh | 14:20 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQIPVqLMUg | 14:22 |
| snap-l | I'm getting the feeling that I should be feeling like my cat died | 14:22 |
| snap-l | but frankly I have NFC what this means. | 14:22 |
| rick_h_ | meh, it was a cat...who cares | 14:22 |
| snap-l | Jesus, and someone just tried to get his own answer for his own team | 14:23 |
| snap-l | That word, execution... I think it doesn't mean what you think it means. | 14:26 |
| snap-l | Bah, now for 20 minutes of parroting from the direct reports. | 14:29 |
| snap-l | And we're done | 14:32 |
| Wolfger | 178 people on a conf call? That's insane | 14:44 |
| Wolfger | Heh. http://diveintomark.org/archives/2011/06/17/come-on-gruber-youre-better-than-this | 14:47 |
| jcastro | jrwren: the SE podcast this week is /excellent/. | 14:50 |
| smoser | jcastro, that cloud thing is tomorrow 8am-noon | 15:10 |
| smoser | i'd pick you up 7:15 return you by 2:00 i guess | 15:10 |
| jcastro | sounds good probably. | 15:11 |
| jcastro | let me clear it with my boss. | 15:11 |
| rick_h_ | FF5 feels a bit better than 4 did here it seems | 15:17 |
| Voodoo_ | Anyone have any experience with 'upstart' ? and how it works? | 15:25 |
| _stink_ | i just remember reading about it and being confused. | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | not really, just created a script to start up uwsgi using it: http://docs.bmark.us/hosting.html#uwsgi-config | 15:26 |
| Voodoo_ | yea.. the documentation is a little much.. | 15:26 |
| rick_h_ | but grabbed that from an example someone else had done | 15:26 |
| Voodoo_ | looks like a replacement for anacron, cron, init.. But not sure where it really 'resides'. like is /sbin/init now 'upstart' ? | 15:27 |
| Voodoo_ | looks like the kernel calls /sbin/init, which reads /etc/event.d/* although I don't know how it knows which runlevel to go into.. | 15:29 |
| rick_h_ | http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/amd64/upstart/filelist | 15:30 |
| rick_h_ | that might help a bit | 15:30 |
| rick_h_ | you can see it really it a lot of parts | 15:30 |
| Voodoo_ | oh yea.. good idea.. looks like it replaces almost everything for startup. so .. it is init. :) | 15:33 |
| brousch | oh nice. i can copy EPUB files to the nook color and they just work | 15:37 |
| snap-l | brousch: Most devices work that way. :) | 15:38 |
| snap-l | It's only Apple that obfuscates this | 15:38 |
| brousch | i thought i'd have to go through some converter or something | 15:38 |
| rick_h_ | well and no epub on kindle :( | 15:38 |
| brousch | it apparently reads MS Word and Excel too | 15:39 |
| brousch | and pdf | 15:39 |
| brousch | heh, and html | 15:39 |
| brousch | oh, and it's in color ;) | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | overrated :P | 15:42 |
| Voodoo_ | hows the battery life on the color nook? | 15:42 |
| Voodoo_ | color's nice for diagrams.. | 15:43 |
| brousch | i get 2 or 3 days with moderate usage | 15:43 |
| brousch | color's nice for kids' books too | 15:43 |
| Voodoo_ | that's not too bad.. | 15:43 |
| brousch | and for web brwosing | 15:43 |
| Voodoo_ | can you adjust the display brightness to gain more life? | 15:43 |
| brousch | yeah | 15:43 |
| Voodoo_ | cool. | 15:43 |
| brousch | i had it turned almost all the way down reading in the dark last night | 15:44 |
| brousch | i got a cover that includes a sort of stand. perfect for reading while eating | 15:45 |
| jrwren | jcastro: "SE Podcast" ? | 15:48 |
| jcastro | http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/06/se-podcast-09/ | 15:48 |
| jcastro | jrwren: ^ | 15:48 |
| jrwren | ah, i haven't listened in a long time. | 16:02 |
| jrwren | thank you jcastro | 16:02 |
| snap-l | wb nixternal | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | he's alive?! | 16:06 |
| jcastro | jrwren: this one is quite good, best one yet IMO | 16:09 |
| jrwren | I couldn't stand the first few, so I stopped listening. Joel and Jeff just come off as total jerks. | 16:10 |
| jrwren | even though I highly respect them both, I still think they seemed like jerks. | 16:10 |
| jcastro | heh | 16:12 |
| nixternal | thx snap-l | 16:23 |
| brousch | intresting. youtube lets you give your uploads a CC license now | 16:48 |
| rick_h_ | why does this scare me? http://blog.nodejs.org/2011/06/23/porting-node-to-windows-with-microsoft%E2%80%99s-help/ | 16:52 |
| rick_h_ | weren't all the MS devs up in arms already about html on the desktop? | 16:52 |
| rick_h_ | what are they going to think with JS on the server? | 16:52 |
| rick_h_ | running google's v8 underneath? this seems like the twilight zone | 16:53 |
| krondor | what's that about embrace, extend, something something? Maybe it's just MS getting a clue, and MS Linux is around the corner. | 17:09 |
| rick_h_ | I mean, I understood the php assistance/support | 17:10 |
| rick_h_ | but this just seems so anti everything | 17:10 |
| krondor | Windows 9 powered by OSS technology, I mean they need to do something though or they lose the upcoming devs I think | 17:14 |
| jrwren | there are a lot of huge JS fans at MSFT | 17:30 |
| jrwren | matt podwysocki being brilliant and all. | 17:30 |
| jrwren | and bart de smet too | 17:31 |
| jrwren | remember silverlight version 1 was JS only. | 17:31 |
| rick_h_ | heh fun: http://schmichael.com/files/schmongodb/Scaling%20with%20MongoDB%20(with%20notes).pdf | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: there's your diagram of needing 6 servers for mongo ^^ | 17:48 |
| snap-l | :( | 17:49 |
| snap-l | So essentially this is how to scale MongoDB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UDs-x0_rwk | 17:51 |
| snap-l | Just keep throwing machines at it | 17:52 |
| _stink_ | wow | 17:52 |
| rick_h_ | we need to get one of those shredders | 17:53 |
| rick_h_ | next CHC is going to be a blast! | 17:53 |
| snap-l | Heh | 17:55 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I love the last few slides | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | :) | 17:57 |
| snap-l | "fuck it, we moved to PostgreSQL" | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | "we got sloppy, crap works now" | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | I know everyone is all NoSQL! and I want to use couch and such for a few things | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | but man, it's not a silver bullet | 17:58 |
| snap-l | You know the old addage: Fast, Cheap, Good: Pick Two | 18:02 |
| snap-l | MongoDB is the following: Fast, Scalable, Reliable: Pick Fast, because we do that really well. | 18:03 |
| brousch | wow, where's the mongo hate coming from? | 18:04 |
| snap-l | brousch: Experience | 18:05 |
| brousch | mongo ate your child? | 18:06 |
| snap-l | No, I've just seen a lot of pain from folks using MongoDB | 18:07 |
| snap-l | I don't think NoSQL is bad, but I do think CouchDB is more sane about it than MongoDB | 18:08 |
| brousch | but allura is mongo! | 18:08 |
| _stink_ | i still have no clue what NoSQL is. not that i've tried to learn. | 18:09 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Think of NoSQL as a way to store data without having to define the tables for it beforehand | 18:10 |
| brousch | it is easy to learn. if you know sql, do the opposite! | 18:10 |
| snap-l | like a business card | 18:10 |
| snap-l | some business cards have fax numbers on them, some don't | 18:10 |
| snap-l | some have 5 mobile numbers | 18:10 |
| _stink_ | ah, ok | 18:10 |
| _stink_ | that is kind of illuminating. | 18:11 |
| _stink_ | how is it different from like a memstore of a data structure? | 18:11 |
| _stink_ | i guess you can search on it better. | 18:11 |
| brousch | structure? we don't need no stinking structure! | 18:11 |
| _stink_ | or search on it at all. | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: have to come to CHC some time | 18:11 |
| _stink_ | yes, true, whether or not to learn about NoSQL :) | 18:12 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 18:12 |
| jrwren | nosql just means "its not sql" | 18:18 |
| jrwren | so LDAP is NOSQL. | 18:19 |
| jrwren | sorry, but its true. | 18:19 |
| snap-l | jrwren: LDAP is NOFUN either | 18:19 |
| brousch | zodb was nosql before nosql was cool | 18:19 |
| binbrain | ZODB, also ACID compliant | 18:20 |
| jrwren | i thought zodb was an ORM. | 18:34 |
| jrwren | and actually backed by sql. | 18:35 |
| binbrain | jrwren: no | 18:46 |
| binbrain | its a persistent object hash | 18:46 |
| binbrain | objects are stored in dicts, and have attributes adapted to them that allow them to contain dicts of other objects | 18:48 |
| binbrain | you can control the dicts by adapting them to categories, which is essentially putting an interface around that your object collection must implement, its very OOP in some respects | 18:50 |
| rick_h_ | yea, zodb has a fan group for sure | 18:51 |
| rick_h_ | shoot, the old berkleydb stuff was nosql | 18:51 |
| binbrain | scales transparently, who wouldn't be a fan | 18:51 |
| binbrain | of course, shortcomings, must have the class representation of the original persisted obj to reload it | 18:53 |
| binbrain | which can make life hell | 18:53 |
| binbrain | migrations have to be thought out, because you need to load the objs, convert, and then repersist | 18:55 |
| binbrain | unlike other nosql dbs, zodb is of course tightly coupled to Python, so shortcoming #2, but that's never been a problem for me :) | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 18:57 |
| jrwren | yup, berkleydb, ndb for sure. | 18:58 |
| brousch | wow, 8" archos honeycomb tablet, optional 250GB hard drive $279 http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/23/archos-introduces-two-new-inexpensive-honeycomb-tablets-with-omap4-processors-clocked-at-1-5ghz/ | 20:01 |
| krondor | a coworker of mine has an older archos tablet, it was cheap too but had some flaws these sound really nice | 20:14 |
| jrwren | wow, that is awesome. | 20:18 |
| snap-l | Well, having a great day | 20:22 |
| snap-l | My boss is moving on | 20:22 |
| snap-l | and everyone is blowing smoke that nothing will change for me. | 20:22 |
| krondor | 3 out of 4 cluster nodes fail and the SAN guys are hanging out near the rack by chance claiming no problem... hmm curiosity abounds | 20:22 |
| snap-l | *sigh* | 20:23 |
| jrwren | hey, I just got told that I suck and that I'm doing a shitty job managing this project. | 20:29 |
| jrwren | which is true. | 20:29 |
| jrwren | but it still ain't fun to hear. | 20:29 |
| snap-l | Why do they have a developer managing a project? | 20:29 |
| jrwren | excellent question! | 20:30 |
| snap-l | I really hate it when that happens | 20:30 |
| jrwren | I think what they want is what most people would call a coding "Program Manager" | 20:30 |
| jrwren | but I have shitty PM skills | 20:30 |
| snap-l | Most good developers do | 20:30 |
| jrwren | its also awesome that the person calling me out has only been involved for 13 days. 9 work days. so only 1 iteration of a scrum style dev process | 20:31 |
| snap-l | Seriously? That's crap | 20:32 |
| krondor | that always happens, I don't know how many PMs I've met that have said "I used to be a Unix Admin, Programmer, or similar" usually with a I should never have taken this job following... | 20:36 |
| snap-l | Happened to me at Chrysler. | 20:36 |
| snap-l | Usually is a "we don't know what to do with you. You know too much about the system, but we're technically not able to staff this project so you can work on it directly" | 20:37 |
| krondor | so the logs have it, 3 of 4 nodes lost their disk with the sbd partition then start voting for a master, the epoc numbers don't match and poison pills are issued. SAN team comes clean on maintenance to the fabric they're on | 20:44 |
| krondor | missing an H in epoch is probably as good a reason as any to call it a short day and do some web browsing | 20:46 |
| smoser | greg-g, why must you make work for me | 21:11 |
| smoser | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/etckeeper/+bug/800656 | 21:11 |
| smoser | can you clarify a bit for me? | 21:12 |
| greg-g | smoser: sure, uh, I was prompted by update manager to update, I said update, it gave an error (I forget what the gui one was). I checked the terminal view in update manager and it showed etckeeper complaining about a lock on /etc/ | 21:49 |
| smoser | what could have caused a lock ? | 21:50 |
| greg-g | smoser: you know, I'm not really sure, I can only speculate that I ran an update from the cli and it didn't finish | 21:53 |
| greg-g | lemme find my apt logs | 21:53 |
| greg-g | I can't find anything that looks like the cause :/ | 21:58 |
| snap-l | openmetalcast Club Metal Episode #4 catapults you closer to the singularity: http://ur1.ca/4idfc | 22:53 |
| snap-l | http://blog.instapaper.com/post/6830514157 <- Holy shit | 22:59 |
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