[01:31] Hello again [01:32] party! [01:36] Hello, Ubuntu Hourers. [01:36] Hours D'ourves? [02:11] mpiccinato: http://npmjs.org/ [02:26] learning sqlalchemy and flask-sqlalchemy [02:27] awesome [02:27] we had a SA discussion earlier [04:11] crap, we might lose our Detroit in the UH:CHC name :( [04:11] knew that would come back to bite me [04:16] rick_h_: why's that? [04:17] group around wayne state wants to start up in july [04:17] wonder if they can have dtw since they're actually dtw [04:18] ah [04:19] change us to detroit-metro [04:19] yea, I hit them back with the idea of making the /detroit.html page a combo [04:19] that linked to new north/south/west/east or something [04:19] because I've been sharing that /detoit.html link for 2yrs [04:20] we'll see how it goes [04:26] Bah [04:27] copied you on my reply snap-l [04:27] just because they're in Detroit doesn't mean they should have the Detroit name. [04:27] ;) [04:27] well there's also down river [04:27] naw, I knew when I did it I was cheating hard core [04:27] trying to match up to AA [04:28] and want to encourage new ones to sprout up, though honestly, we're the most active of them all [04:28] Heh [04:28] Yeah, it happens [04:31] <_stink_> wait someoue around WSU wants to do something? [04:31] <_stink_> someone [04:31] <_stink_> hard to believe [04:32] Blame ColonelPanic001 [04:32] He's the instigator [04:32] _stink_: yea, new CHC by you [04:32] <_stink_> oh THAT guy? [04:32] <_stink_> geez [04:32] https://gist.github.com/1041857 [04:32] We won't rock the boat. We'll go with Detroit Midtown. We're hoping to attract Wayne State students and activate the TechTown area. [04:33] Could even go "Detroit Downtown" [04:36] yea, we'll see. anyway, sleepy time [04:37] _stink_: still need to see if you can ColonelPanic001 want bmark.us accounts or not [04:37] I'll ping you guys tomorrow probably [04:37] then shut it down for travel time wheeee [12:22] g'morning [12:22] I'm going to start racing rick_h_ to get the first bookmark of the day on bmark.us :) [12:22] he won today, but, I will win one of these days! [12:25] <_stink_> morning [12:53] * Wolfger swoops in and ninjas the first bmark tomorrow [12:54] morning greg-g and _stink_ [12:56] greg-g: hah! I thought that this morning [12:56] checked it, nothing on there for today [13:04] smoser: [13:04] hey when is this cloud thing again? Like the time frame? [13:09] Heh [13:15] the cloud is eternal, innit? ;-) [13:16] The cloud is like the community pool [13:16] "The cloud will be open from 7am-6pm, M-F" [13:16] "Down for maintenance from 1pm-2pm" [13:17] "Adult Swim from 7pm-10pm" [13:28] greg-g: actaully, that makes me think of the badges stuff [13:28] 'early bird badge, first bookmark of the day [13:28] 'wikipedia time vortex, 5 consecutive bookmarks from wikipedia' [13:29] dude! yes! [13:29] 'techcunch ninny bookmarking a techcrunch bookmark for 5 straight days' [13:29] lol [13:29] Oh God. [13:30] and we just lost snap-l as a user [13:30] If you want a collection of shit bookmarks, this is the way to get it. :) [13:30] bah, everyone already has a collection of crap :P [13:30] yeah [13:30] this would just make it a badge of honor [13:30] also, you can design the badges to encourage the behavior you want [13:30] 'video wannabe: 10 youtube bookmarks in a week' [13:31] The "nothing to see here" badge, bookmarking Slashdot instead of the parent article. [13:31] Jukebox: 10 bookmarks from Jamendo / Bandcamp. :) [13:31] anyway, not that there's time to do that any time soon, but greg made me think of it [13:31] funny stuff [13:36] that would add to the social aspects [13:36] then you have to integrate facebook and twitter so people can post their badges [13:51] ok, this is crap: http://uploads.mitechie.com/va_weather.png.png [13:52] you weren't planning on being outside were you? [13:53] heh [13:53] guess not now [13:53] Bah. [13:53] scattered and isolated [13:54] man up and get out there [14:03] I don't know what this conference call is that I'm on, but it sounded like I leveled up when the chairperson arrived [14:03] badoop [14:03] badoop [14:03] badoop [14:03] badoop [14:03] badoop [14:03] badoop [14:03] badoop [14:03] lol [14:03] i love conference calls :) [14:03] This one came out of the blue, and has about a million participants [14:04] I hope everyone has mute, otherwise this will be hell [14:09] whats that youtube video of the comedian doing the conference call, i'm always reminded of that when i join a call w/ a lot of attendees [14:09] I have no idea why I'm a part of this meeting [14:10] Has something to do with a department that I have no dealings with at all [14:10] snap-l: You're back at Chrysler??? [14:10] Wolfger: Feels like it [14:11] I hate those meetings [14:11] There's several players that are apparently important [14:11] and there's feedback loop [14:12] We have one guy at this plant who always repeats the last sentence somebody said.... [14:12] I can't decide if he's "active listening", or just a parrot [14:12] Both [14:13] A parrot has to listen very carefully to mimic what they're hearing [14:14] Yay, it sounds like a re-org. [14:14] oops [14:15] And now the smoke-up-the-ass part of the announcement [14:15] And now the reassurance [14:17] I swear, every manager has the same playbook [14:17] they all go to the same class [14:17] They could compress these so much better. [14:18] John: #43. Nick: Oh, definitely #67 [14:18] just do it over twitter so they have only 140 characters to announce things [14:19] Bahahaha. Someone just piped up that there's 178 people on the call, and not just leadership [14:19] d'oh [14:19] ie: don't freak out the workerbees with the direct face of insanity. [14:20] "Please keep delivering" [14:20] Sheesh [14:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQIPVqLMUg [14:22] I'm getting the feeling that I should be feeling like my cat died [14:22] but frankly I have NFC what this means. [14:22] meh, it was a cat...who cares [14:23] Jesus, and someone just tried to get his own answer for his own team [14:26] That word, execution... I think it doesn't mean what you think it means. [14:29] Bah, now for 20 minutes of parroting from the direct reports. [14:32] And we're done [14:44] 178 people on a conf call? That's insane [14:47] Heh. http://diveintomark.org/archives/2011/06/17/come-on-gruber-youre-better-than-this [14:50] jrwren: the SE podcast this week is /excellent/. [15:10] jcastro, that cloud thing is tomorrow 8am-noon [15:10] i'd pick you up 7:15 return you by 2:00 i guess [15:11] sounds good probably. [15:11] let me clear it with my boss. [15:17] FF5 feels a bit better than 4 did here it seems [15:25] Anyone have any experience with 'upstart' ? and how it works? [15:26] <_stink_> i just remember reading about it and being confused. [15:26] not really, just created a script to start up uwsgi using it: http://docs.bmark.us/hosting.html#uwsgi-config [15:26] yea.. the documentation is a little much.. [15:26] but grabbed that from an example someone else had done [15:27] looks like a replacement for anacron, cron, init.. But not sure where it really 'resides'. like is /sbin/init now 'upstart' ? [15:29] looks like the kernel calls /sbin/init, which reads /etc/event.d/* although I don't know how it knows which runlevel to go into.. [15:30] http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/amd64/upstart/filelist [15:30] that might help a bit [15:30] you can see it really it a lot of parts [15:33] oh yea.. good idea.. looks like it replaces almost everything for startup. so .. it is init. :) [15:37] oh nice. i can copy EPUB files to the nook color and they just work [15:38] brousch: Most devices work that way. :) [15:38] It's only Apple that obfuscates this [15:38] i thought i'd have to go through some converter or something [15:38] well and no epub on kindle :( [15:39] it apparently reads MS Word and Excel too [15:39] and pdf [15:39] heh, and html [15:40] oh, and it's in color ;) [15:42] overrated :P [15:42] hows the battery life on the color nook? [15:43] color's nice for diagrams.. [15:43] i get 2 or 3 days with moderate usage [15:43] color's nice for kids' books too [15:43] that's not too bad.. [15:43] and for web brwosing [15:43] can you adjust the display brightness to gain more life? [15:43] yeah [15:43] cool. [15:44] i had it turned almost all the way down reading in the dark last night [15:45] i got a cover that includes a sort of stand. perfect for reading while eating [15:48] jcastro: "SE Podcast" ? [15:48] http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/06/se-podcast-09/ [15:48] jrwren: ^ [16:02] ah, i haven't listened in a long time. [16:02] thank you jcastro [16:05] wb nixternal [16:06] he's alive?! [16:09] jrwren: this one is quite good, best one yet IMO [16:10] I couldn't stand the first few, so I stopped listening. Joel and Jeff just come off as total jerks. [16:10] even though I highly respect them both, I still think they seemed like jerks. [16:12] heh [16:23] thx snap-l [16:48] intresting. youtube lets you give your uploads a CC license now [16:52] why does this scare me? http://blog.nodejs.org/2011/06/23/porting-node-to-windows-with-microsoft%E2%80%99s-help/ [16:52] weren't all the MS devs up in arms already about html on the desktop? [16:52] what are they going to think with JS on the server? [16:53] running google's v8 underneath? this seems like the twilight zone [17:09] what's that about embrace, extend, something something? Maybe it's just MS getting a clue, and MS Linux is around the corner. [17:10] I mean, I understood the php assistance/support [17:10] but this just seems so anti everything [17:14] Windows 9 powered by OSS technology, I mean they need to do something though or they lose the upcoming devs I think [17:30] there are a lot of huge JS fans at MSFT [17:30] matt podwysocki being brilliant and all. [17:31] and bart de smet too [17:31] remember silverlight version 1 was JS only. [17:48] heh fun: http://schmichael.com/files/schmongodb/Scaling%20with%20MongoDB%20(with%20notes).pdf [17:48] snap-l: there's your diagram of needing 6 servers for mongo ^^ [17:49] :( [17:51] So essentially this is how to scale MongoDB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UDs-x0_rwk [17:52] Just keep throwing machines at it [17:52] <_stink_> wow [17:53] we need to get one of those shredders [17:53] next CHC is going to be a blast! [17:55] Heh [17:57] rick_h_: I love the last few slides [17:57] :) [17:57] "fuck it, we moved to PostgreSQL" [17:57] "we got sloppy, crap works now" [17:57] I know everyone is all NoSQL! and I want to use couch and such for a few things [17:58] but man, it's not a silver bullet [18:02] You know the old addage: Fast, Cheap, Good: Pick Two [18:03] MongoDB is the following: Fast, Scalable, Reliable: Pick Fast, because we do that really well. [18:04] wow, where's the mongo hate coming from? [18:05] brousch: Experience [18:06] mongo ate your child? [18:07] No, I've just seen a lot of pain from folks using MongoDB [18:08] I don't think NoSQL is bad, but I do think CouchDB is more sane about it than MongoDB [18:08] but allura is mongo! [18:09] <_stink_> i still have no clue what NoSQL is. not that i've tried to learn. [18:10] _stink_: Think of NoSQL as a way to store data without having to define the tables for it beforehand [18:10] it is easy to learn. if you know sql, do the opposite! [18:10] like a business card [18:10] some business cards have fax numbers on them, some don't [18:10] some have 5 mobile numbers [18:10] <_stink_> ah, ok [18:11] <_stink_> that is kind of illuminating. [18:11] <_stink_> how is it different from like a memstore of a data structure? [18:11] <_stink_> i guess you can search on it better. [18:11] structure? we don't need no stinking structure! [18:11] <_stink_> or search on it at all. [18:11] _stink_: have to come to CHC some time [18:12] <_stink_> yes, true, whether or not to learn about NoSQL :) [18:12] hah [18:18] nosql just means "its not sql" [18:19] so LDAP is NOSQL. [18:19] sorry, but its true. [18:19] jrwren: LDAP is NOFUN either [18:19] zodb was nosql before nosql was cool [18:20] ZODB, also ACID compliant [18:34] i thought zodb was an ORM. [18:35] and actually backed by sql. [18:46] jrwren: no [18:46] its a persistent object hash [18:48] objects are stored in dicts, and have attributes adapted to them that allow them to contain dicts of other objects [18:50] you can control the dicts by adapting them to categories, which is essentially putting an interface around that your object collection must implement, its very OOP in some respects [18:51] yea, zodb has a fan group for sure [18:51] shoot, the old berkleydb stuff was nosql [18:51] scales transparently, who wouldn't be a fan [18:53] of course, shortcomings, must have the class representation of the original persisted obj to reload it [18:53] which can make life hell [18:55] migrations have to be thought out, because you need to load the objs, convert, and then repersist [18:56] unlike other nosql dbs, zodb is of course tightly coupled to Python, so shortcoming #2, but that's never been a problem for me :) [18:57] hah [18:58] yup, berkleydb, ndb for sure. [20:01] wow, 8" archos honeycomb tablet, optional 250GB hard drive $279 http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/23/archos-introduces-two-new-inexpensive-honeycomb-tablets-with-omap4-processors-clocked-at-1-5ghz/ [20:14] a coworker of mine has an older archos tablet, it was cheap too but had some flaws these sound really nice [20:18] wow, that is awesome. [20:22] Well, having a great day [20:22] My boss is moving on [20:22] and everyone is blowing smoke that nothing will change for me. [20:22] 3 out of 4 cluster nodes fail and the SAN guys are hanging out near the rack by chance claiming no problem... hmm curiosity abounds [20:23] *sigh* [20:29] hey, I just got told that I suck and that I'm doing a shitty job managing this project. [20:29] which is true. [20:29] but it still ain't fun to hear. [20:29] Why do they have a developer managing a project? [20:30] excellent question! [20:30] I really hate it when that happens [20:30] I think what they want is what most people would call a coding "Program Manager" [20:30] but I have shitty PM skills [20:30] Most good developers do [20:31] its also awesome that the person calling me out has only been involved for 13 days. 9 work days. so only 1 iteration of a scrum style dev process [20:32] Seriously? That's crap [20:36] that always happens, I don't know how many PMs I've met that have said "I used to be a Unix Admin, Programmer, or similar" usually with a I should never have taken this job following... [20:36] Happened to me at Chrysler. [20:37] Usually is a "we don't know what to do with you. You know too much about the system, but we're technically not able to staff this project so you can work on it directly" [20:44] so the logs have it, 3 of 4 nodes lost their disk with the sbd partition then start voting for a master, the epoc numbers don't match and poison pills are issued. SAN team comes clean on maintenance to the fabric they're on [20:46] missing an H in epoch is probably as good a reason as any to call it a short day and do some web browsing [21:11] greg-g, why must you make work for me [21:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/etckeeper/+bug/800656 [21:12] can you clarify a bit for me? [21:49] smoser: sure, uh, I was prompted by update manager to update, I said update, it gave an error (I forget what the gui one was). I checked the terminal view in update manager and it showed etckeeper complaining about a lock on /etc/ [21:50] what could have caused a lock ? [21:53] smoser: you know, I'm not really sure, I can only speculate that I ran an update from the cli and it didn't finish [21:53] lemme find my apt logs [21:58] I can't find anything that looks like the cause :/ [22:53] openmetalcast Club Metal Episode #4 catapults you closer to the singularity: http://ur1.ca/4idfc [22:59] http://blog.instapaper.com/post/6830514157 <- Holy shit