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linuxman410anyone here01:23
cyberangerlinuxman410:01:24
cyberangerhey01:24
linuxman410cyberanger how are ya01:25
cyberangermixed01:25
linuxman410why is that01:25
cyberangerworking on my older scripts, updating them and such01:25
cyberangermixed, nature of the work day I suppose01:26
cyberangerit's horrible when you feel like little got done, for a long enough day01:26
linuxman410cyberanger do you work at a computer store01:26
linuxman410cyberanger u still here01:28
cyberangerlinuxman410: still do (and elsewhere too)01:30
linuxman410cyberanger let me ask you a question is it possible to install a commandline system of 10.10 and upgrade it to 11.0401:31
cyberangerlinuxman410: as a command line system, yeah01:51
linuxman410how01:51
cyberangerseems maverick to natty as a desktop isn't doable however (just too many changes, breaks too much)01:51
cyberangerstart with the alternate cd, before you select install ubuntu, press f4 and go down to command line install01:52
linuxman410crap i guess i download a another alternative cd01:52
cyberangerthen, usual steps for that install (which I'll skip for the moment, I think I covered before)01:53
cyberangerand then the upgrade manager the server edition uses will update it to natty01:53
cyberangerlinuxman410: yeah, cli install is only from alternate, minimal and server discs01:54
cyberangernot the live desktop01:54
linuxman410cyberanger does the regular version of xubuntu have a cli install01:54
linuxman410cyberanger i think they should put that in live version of xubuntu01:56
cyberangerlinuxman410: no, all live discs skip that01:56
cyberangeraim for a whole lot of simplicity, and I don't quite like that01:57
linuxman410cyberanger i think they should make openbox version of ubuntu01:57
cyberangersame here, and I bet two others here agree01:59
Unit193Who would they be?01:59
cyberangeryou and chris458501:59
cyberanger(at least)01:59
Unit193Would any of them (us?) have time to be testers?01:59
Unit193And I'm trying to help canthus13 get his setup02:00
somebody__cyberanger how can my name already be in use02:01
somebody__i do not see it in list02:01
Unit193Try to set your /nick again02:02
somebody__says already in use02:02
Unit193Ah! Did you identify yet?02:02
somebody__i am going to restart computer02:03
somebody__yes it would not let me02:03
linuxman410i'm back02:04
cyberangerhey linuxman41002:04
cyberangera ghost command might have done it too02:04
Unit193linuxman410: Did you subscribe to the Lubuntu-desktop ML? You would know the answer to your question in #lubuntu if you did...02:05
cyberanger(some oddities occur once in a blue moon)02:05
linuxman410unit193 yeah02:05
Unit193The answer is that they have not02:05
cyberangerUnit193: time, heh, that's always the thing I seem to run out of first02:05
Unit193cyberanger: That be why I asked :)02:06
cyberangerbut I've been running openbox for awhile personally (since 9.04, under crunchbang, split my own for lucid (forget exactly what I did in the middle, perhaps I did it in karmic, rotten pain) and done that ever sense)02:07
cyberangerUnit193: so idk what anyone would need to test02:08
Unit193They are going to make a metapackage/(yet another) respin02:09
Unit193Full package set et all02:09
linuxman410cyberanger ever tried fluxbox i like it02:10
cyberangerlinuxman410: yeah, very short while, awhile ago02:10
linuxman410cyberanger did you like it02:11
linuxman410i sold 2 netbooks and bought 3 laptops and just got another 2nd chance offer for a 2gigahertz dell for 35.0002:14
cyberangerlinuxman410: idk, I can't really remember (I wound up back on openbox, so I guess something caused me to go back)02:15
linuxman410cyberanger i may go ahead and buy other one02:17
cyberangerlinuxman410: wow, that's quicj02:17
cyberangerquick*02:17
linuxman410i sold 2 g for 75 and dell mini 9 for 14002:18
linuxman410cyberanger what is quick02:19
cyberangeryour buying and selling02:19
linuxman410cyberanger i do quick turn arounds02:20
linuxman410cyberanger is that bad02:23
linuxman410cyberanger u still here02:24
linuxman410cyberanger u still here02:28
vychuneo/03:24
linuxman410vychune you here03:28
linuxman410wrst u here03:33
linuxman410cyberanger u here03:33
vychuneo/03:39
vychunewhats up man03:39
vychunelinuxman410: hello?03:40
linuxman410vychune how are ya03:42
vychunegood03:44
vychunewhats up03:44
linuxman410nothing sold my 2 netbooks and bought 3 laptops and a guy offer me another one for 35 dollars dell 2 gigahertz second chance offer03:47
wrstlinuxman410: here now03:51
wrstcyberanger: may start over with testing but as far as stable goes debian is wonderful03:52
linuxman410wrst yes i am here now or do u mean something else03:52
wrstnope :)03:52
linuxman410wrst got a second chance offer for a 2 gigahertz dell for 35 dollars03:53
wrstcool linuxman41003:53
linuxman410wrst just downloaded a net install of wheezy03:54
wrstlinuxman410: i may give it a go next03:54
linuxman410wrst have you tried any other oses other than ubuntu03:55
wrstlinuxman410: I use arch mostly at the moment, and on mageia right now03:55
linuxman410is mageia any good03:55
linuxman410wrst the only arch i could figure out was archbang03:56
wrstlinuxman410: yes its the best kde distro out there i think well it and mandriva03:57
wrstlinuxman410: arch is really easy if you follow the wiki03:57
linuxman410wrst i tried that did not work for me03:57
wrstand when i say follow I mean read it all :)03:58
wrstbut its very good i think03:58
linuxman410wrst i tried and messed up a couple of times and did not have patience i tried ghostbsd and pcbsd both good04:00
wrstyeah pcbsd is ok I don't care for their kde implementation and theming, but not as mainstream as apps04:00
vychunegn04:04
Unit193Why did ubotuTN die anyway?07:06
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wrsteights: ... aka baytes... good to see you how are things going?11:40
vychunegood morning14:17
wrstmorning vychune14:37
vychunehow ya doing14:37
wrstgood how about you vychune?14:39
vychuneok things are getting hectic at home14:41
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Guest63022wrst, been better lmfao15:30
wrstGuest63022: good to see you back15:30
=== Guest63022 is now known as baytes
baytesyea while i got internet lol. phone broke too so im without a phone15:31
bayteswifey's in ohio, its rough with no communication15:31
baytesneed to find a straight talk phone lol15:31
bayteswrst, how things been with you15:31
wrstbeen good baytes hate to hear all that15:32
bayteswrst, its life15:32
cyberangerhey baytes15:42
cyberangerand ouch15:42
baytescyberanger, whats up16:06
baytescyberanger, lol16:06
cyberangerbaytes: eh, work, life, nothing unusual16:07
cyberanger(or is it the ceiling that's up)16:07
cyberangerfairly good day, so far16:08
cyberangerbaytes: I'd ask you the same, but no point bringing that all up twice, right?16:11
cyberangerbaytes: I'm still using celluar data for internet, btw, namely my T-Mobile G2 and Virgin Mobile Broadband2go Stick16:12
cyberangerIn ways I've gotten to like this better than Cable and DSL, the only downside I cannot work around is I cannot host any servers off it (Carrier NAT)16:13
cyberangerbut I've largely offset that with a VPS from Linode and Amazon's EC216:14
cyberangerbaytes: I wish you luck in sorting all this out, I've been down similar roads, never fun16:17
baytescyberanger, lol yea deff never fun16:26
XpistosHey all16:41
cyberangerhey Xpistos16:48
Xpistoscyberanger16:49
cyberangerXpistos: how's it going17:02
Xpistosit's going17:03
Xpistosvnc over ssh is good though17:03
XpistosI haven't been able to get the browswer working over ssh but I haven't really tried to get it up and running yet17:03
cyberangerhow many tunnels did you setup?17:07
cyberangerone local tunnel for vnc, I know that much17:07
Xpistosjust the one17:19
XpistosI have tried to mess with some others but with no success17:19
cyberangerXpistos: add a dynamic, (for my example, I'll use dynamic 7077)17:23
cyberangertell firefox to use socks5 proxy on localhost 707717:24
cyberangerand then goto about:config, checkmark "I'll be careful, I promise"17:24
cyberangerset "network.proxy.socks_remote_dns"17:25
cyberangerto true17:25
cyberangerand, for the final step, enjoy ;-)17:27
pace_t_zuluhey guys17:43
pace_t_zulusorry I've been MIA for a few days17:43
Unit193pace_t_zulu: Howdy!17:43
pace_t_zuluhad a wedding in chicago this weekend17:43
pace_t_zuluand i had a major milestone in my life yesterday17:43
pace_t_zulu:D17:43
cyberangerpace_t_zulu: nice17:46
cyberangerhow'd you like chicago17:46
cyberanger?17:46
pace_t_zulucyberanger: fantastic city17:46
pace_t_zulucyberanger: fantastic wedding17:47
pace_t_zulucyberanger: two of my best friends since fall of 2001 ... they have been together since them - though i met them each separately a few days before they got together17:47
pace_t_zulucyberanger: the groom was my roommate for a few years ... and consequently the bride was too ... i love them both17:48
cyberanger(And I'd bet you didn't even see a 10th of the city too, head to a blackhawks or cubs game, get a hot dog with everything on it (and they mean everything, they only leave out the kitchen sink) deep dish pizza)17:48
pace_t_zulucyberanger: we've travelled a lot together and i'm so excited for both of the  (especially her - i've never seen someone so genuinely and deeply happy)17:48
pace_t_zului can attest to the deep dish pizza17:49
pace_t_zuluthe rest of that ... no - my weekend revolved around the wedding17:49
cyberangerpace_t_zulu: well, I wish them luck, it's too few nowadays that seem that way (and fewer ending that way)17:49
pace_t_zulucyberanger: i have no question in my mind that that marriage is going to be as strong as any i've ever seen17:51
pace_t_zulucyberanger: they've been together just shy of 10 years ... hardly rushed it ...17:51
pace_t_zului am so proud of them both and happy for them17:51
pace_t_zuluas well as their families... i love both of their families17:52
pace_t_zuluanyway... cyberanger pm17:52
pace_t_zuluUnit193: howdy ;)17:52
cyberangerpace_t_zulu: cool, sounds like it will17:52
cyberangerdon't see any pm17:52
Xpistoscyberanger: do i need to open port 7077 on my firewall?17:55
cyberangerXpistos: no18:03
cyberangerit's pretty dynamic18:03
XpistosThanks18:10
XpistosThat did it18:10
XpistosI was putting the proxy info in the wrong spot18:10
XpistosBetter than a vpn18:12
cyberangerXpistos: and in some ways, it can double as a VPN18:13
Unit193Just doesn't do UDP18:18
Xpistosand combining my portable putty and portable firefox in my dropbox, I can go anywere at any time18:32
XpistosStupid library computers18:32
Unit193I use it for tunnels and screen (My irssi session), works great for VNC :D18:37
vychuneo/20:32
cyberangerXpistos: and alot of VPN's are IP only (depending on tun vs tap interface)21:50
cyberangerat least, alot of vpn providers seem to favor just a tcp/ip setup22:22
cyberanger(aside from DNS & NTP, I wonder how much average tasks even use UDP)22:23
Unit193I have a few I miss :( but SSH mostly does it for me (PuTTYPortable or KiTTYPortable are GREAT!)22:28
cyberangerUnit193: why not straight up OpenSSH-Client?22:40
cyberangerunless your in windows (when I use PuTTYPortable, usually when not at the linux side of work)22:40
Unit193cyberanger: That was for flash drive. OpenSSH client is lacking is some ways...22:42
Unit193I like how you can reconfigure tunnels with PuTTY (And OpenSSH didn't clear the screen correctly for me on one server)22:43
cyberangerUnit193: in what reguards (I've found OpenSSH on par, just a matter of knowing how)22:43
cyberangerah, idk about clearing the screen, I get that if networking breaks the connection (for both)22:44
cyberangerbut you can reconfigure tunnels while running, most just don't know that22:44
Unit193Once you connect, it's supposed to clear and go to the top of the screen, openssh just goes to the top and leaves everything else there (Makes it real hard to read...)22:45
Unit193I'll have to findout how to reconfigure tunnels >_>22:46
cyberangerwhy is it supposed to? Putty isn't a terminal app, so I can't say this is an OpenSSH bug, vs a Putty feature (or a design difference)22:48
Unit193It clears it for some/most connections22:49
cyberangerssh does, or your bashrc does22:50
cyberangerI've set it from bashrc to clear, followed by displaying the motd (followed by a similar ssh-only file)22:51
cyberangerUnit193: I'm not one for pointing at manpages, however I must say ssh's is how I got it, really had a bit that seems overlooked by many22:52
cyberangerand since as I said, I hate pointing at manpages, here is a blog covering the ssh escape modes22:53
cyberangerhttp://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2006/01/24/ssh-escape-characters/22:53
cyberanger(and it's fairly verbose, I think I've found some more in the manpages, but that covers everything I've actually needed)22:53
cyberangerI use it to rekey my connections every so often (despite ssh supposed to do that every so often, kinda nice to force it on occasion)22:56
* Unit193 is kinda stupid it seems...22:58
cyberangerUnit193: how so?22:59
Unit193Wouldn't that mess with things you type in irssi?22:59
cyberangerno, since it'll only do it on newline, and ssh steals it from irssi (the default escape is ~, if you for whatever reason what to start a newline with ~, do it twice ~~)23:00
cyberangerI think that is the most times I've ever used that char. a tilde I think? (It's used so little, idk what it's called, lol)23:01
Unit193~This wouldn't get cought? (Stupid moments I have.....)23:02
cyberangerto clarify, ~? would (since ssh ties that into a help menu) and ~C would (the command mode) and ~~ would not, nor would anything ssh isn't listening for, on a newline23:04
cyberanger?23:04
cyberangercapital T isn't an option, so it wasn'23:05
cyberangert caught23:05
cyberanger(man, I miss my home keyboard, lol, so much difference)23:06
cyberangerUnit193: so try with a newline, ~?23:07
cyberangerif it doesn't take in OpenSSH Client, there maybe a NULL charater in the way, which IRSSI ignores (but still isn't a newline)23:08
* cyberanger admits, it could be simplier, but it is the CLI, some things are a learning curve, I got more CLI time lately, so it's a small disadvantage for me to use a GUI (I can, just not as proficent)23:09
Unit193I foget about Synaptic...23:10
Unit193Dang... It does pick it up in irssi :(23:10
Unit193I have to switch screen windows to get it back... But I guess it does work...23:11
cyberangerwhat issue?23:11
cyberanger(and if it does muddy your window, a few things work, the terminal clear command, refresh shortcut (Ctrl L) and telling irssi to redraw23:12
cyberangerrarely does it seem to muddy it, but once it did (bad screenrc tried to interject a bit)23:13
cyberangerhey linuxman41023:13
linuxman410cyberanger how u doing23:13
cyberangernot too bad23:13
cyberangerhow about you linuxman41023:13
Unit193cyberanger: Thanks for helping the town idiot :P23:14
cyberangerUnit193: when tunneling, if your tunnel is active in OpenSSH, it'll wait on the tunnel (sort of a reminder to me, that Thunderbird or firefox is using it)23:14
linuxman410cyberanger doing ok23:15
Unit193I won't have that issue, I have the issue of keeping SSH connected when tunneling FF (Could just be bad software on the other end of this one connection)23:15
cyberangerUnit193: so I use ~. to disconnect if I can't figure out what is using the tunnel (real helpful if using the remote tunnel, which I did at a confrence, anyone on the lan could use that tunnel to connect to my servers http and smtp servers)23:16
cyberangerUnit193: what's cutting out, wifi23:16
linuxman410cyberanger how come when i run whois on you it says secure connection but it does not on me23:16
Unit193cyberanger: Nope, SSH just drops (can't make it happen right now because the other side DSL modem needs to be reset again)23:17
cyberanger(and your not the town idiot, we all have intresting lessons we've learned, shared with others, and more lessons to learn, we all don't have a full understanding of linux, too much changes to have stuff set in stone)23:18
cyberangerlinuxman410: what's your client?23:18
linuxman410unit193 i have to reset my dsl modem all the time23:18
linuxman410cyberanger i am on wife's mac running xchat aqua23:19
Unit193linuxman410: Since it's at the other end, I can't do it :( (The cable one here works nice :) )23:19
cyberangerUnit193: I thought you were Time Warner Cable23:19
Unit193cyberanger: I am, remote location is not23:19
cyberangerUnit193: ah, Verizon DSL then, I'd presume?23:20
Unit193Embarq23:20
linuxman410cyberanger i bought the fourth laptop last night for 35 dollars23:20
cyberangerlinuxman410: I cannot recall the step by step for Xchat, but your connecting to freenode on a non-ssl port (I'd guess port 6667, the usual IRC port)23:21
linuxman410yeah23:21
cyberangerfor freenode, you need one of two ssl enabled ports, 7000 or 707023:21
cyberangerand tell xchat to use ssl23:21
cyberangerthat's why it's doing that23:21
cyberangerUnit193: at least you keep your client up to date (however it's over a year old, wonder if IRSSI has a beta)23:23
linuxman410cyberanger i downloaded wheezy with firmware do you think it will have intel wireless drivers23:24
Unit193cyberanger: How would you know if I do? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade23:24
cyberangerUnit193: cause irssi hasn't released anything newer than 0.8.15 (your version of CTCP)23:25
cyberangerbut if you want to update your whole system via the CLI, that's it23:25
cyberanger(or sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade which seems to have better collision protection)23:26
Unit193cyberanger: Ah, I missed that msg in the status window. I normally do dist-upgrade23:26
linuxman410cyberanger can u answer my question23:26
cyberangerUnit193: what message in the status message?23:27
cyberangerlinuxman410: sorry, I am working on the answer23:27
Unit193[18:22:20] [Freenode] cyberanger (~infocop41@swissknife/adak/infocop411) requested CTCP VERSION from Unit193:23:27
cyberangerUnit193: ah, I supress those myself23:27
linuxman410cyberanger it is 3945 wireless23:27
cyberangerlinuxman410: why such an old version23:27
Unit193I like to know when I get a CTCP :)23:27
linuxman410cyberanger wheezy is debian 723:28
cyberangerlinuxman410: sorry, was thinking lenny, right23:28
cyberangerlinuxman410: what's your apt sources.list have, "main contrib non-free" right?23:29
linuxman410cyberanger it is version with firmware23:29
cyberangerlinuxman410: If I recall, it does, but I think I had to enable those for better support23:29
cyberangerlinuxman410: ok, I'll lookup to double check, but for what I recall, yes23:30
linuxman410cyberanger i got net install of wheezy with firmware and fixing to install23:30
cyberangerlinuxman410: say the card again please23:31
linuxman410cyberanger i am going to do a cli install and then customize23:31
linuxman410intel 394523:32
linuxman410cyberanger it is a Compaq NC6220 Pentium 4 Laptop23:33
linuxman410sorry it is intel 2200 wireless23:35
cyberangerlinuxman410: ok, hang on (that one I gotta lookup, I knew a little about the 3945 and it's sucessor)23:36
linuxman410cyberanger it says on compaq site it will run novell linux23:36
cyberangerlinuxman410: your using the nonfree-firmware tarball, or a disc with this merged in, right?23:38
linuxman410right23:38
cyberangerthen yes, as long as nonfree-firmware is involved, it should be fine23:39
cyberanger(mine isn't quite there yet, but a usb card is, so I either sneak it in, similar to the nonfree-firmware tarball, or use that card and then add support after install for the built in one)23:39
linuxman410cyberanger i know it is expermental software but i am not going to use it for paying bills or anything23:39
* cyberanger wishes ubuntu had a netinst image that allowed installing over wifi (the MinimalCD is a netinst disc, but solely a ethernet NIC, no 802.11 NIC support)23:41
cyberangerlinuxman410: really, that's a shame, I use it to pay bills and such (it's quite stable, but I call it testing, forgetting the debian wheezy name)23:42
cyberangerUnit193: that's a pain, never had much of that issue myself, does the DSL modem handle login and such, or your router (I'm referring to the PPPoE Login)23:43
cyberangerlinuxman410: it is expermental, so yeah, I have plan b in case, but it really seems to hold ground23:43
Unit193cyberanger: I thought the modem did, but it's in bridge mode and I couldn't access the web interface (It could have been rather picky...)23:45
cyberangerUnit193: what's the router23:48
cyberangerlinuxman410: looks like my card is now in the nonfree-firmware tarball too, a few days after my last install (Darn luck there)23:51
Unit193cyberanger: Belkin F5Dxxx, I'm sorry I can't remember more...23:52
Unit193I know the two I have connected here :P23:52
linuxman410cyberanger you are already running wheezy23:52
cyberangerlinuxman410: yep23:53
cyberangerUnit193: hrm, the Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT or Tomato (depending on which I had on a given day) just held23:54
Unit193F5D82xx23:54
cyberangerlinuxman410: amoungst other distros23:54
Unit193cyberanger: I have a WRT54GSv3 with Tomato as main and WRT54Gv6 DD-WRT Micro23:54
linuxman410cyberanger my mom found out how secure windows is not she acess the wireless at a hotel and when she disconneted it say are you sure someone else is connected23:54
cyberangerUnit193: hrm, wonder if the firmware is causing it, or the provider or the modem23:55
Unit193cyberanger: Or the building wireing...23:55
cyberangerUnit193: true, I'd say that falls under provider though (unless your responsable for that)23:55
linuxman410unit193 my dsl is filtered at the pole not in house23:56
cyberangerlinuxman410: as in somebody else got into her laptop?23:56
linuxman410cyberanger yes23:56
cyberangerlinuxman410: well, I don't really trust linux at hotel wifi even (just the nature of wifi, I'll lock down everything, firewall everything, and setup a VPN, and still move some data over the celluar cards)23:57
linuxman410windows was completely updated and she was running a firewall and antivirus23:57
linuxman410cyberanger i will not even check my email on free wifi23:58
linuxman410i also encrypt my home directory23:59

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