[01:23] <linuxman410> anyone here
[01:24] <cyberanger> linuxman410:
[01:24] <cyberanger> hey
[01:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger how are ya
[01:25] <cyberanger> mixed
[01:25] <linuxman410> why is that
[01:25] <cyberanger> working on my older scripts, updating them and such
[01:26] <cyberanger> mixed, nature of the work day I suppose
[01:26] <cyberanger> it's horrible when you feel like little got done, for a long enough day
[01:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger do you work at a computer store
[01:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger u still here
[01:30] <cyberanger> linuxman410: still do (and elsewhere too)
[01:31] <linuxman410> cyberanger let me ask you a question is it possible to install a commandline system of 10.10 and upgrade it to 11.04
[01:51] <cyberanger> linuxman410: as a command line system, yeah
[01:51] <linuxman410> how
[01:51] <cyberanger> seems maverick to natty as a desktop isn't doable however (just too many changes, breaks too much)
[01:52] <cyberanger> start with the alternate cd, before you select install ubuntu, press f4 and go down to command line install
[01:52] <linuxman410> crap i guess i download a another alternative cd
[01:53] <cyberanger> then, usual steps for that install (which I'll skip for the moment, I think I covered before)
[01:53] <cyberanger> and then the upgrade manager the server edition uses will update it to natty
[01:54] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yeah, cli install is only from alternate, minimal and server discs
[01:54] <cyberanger> not the live desktop
[01:54] <linuxman410> cyberanger does the regular version of xubuntu have a cli install
[01:56] <linuxman410> cyberanger i think they should put that in live version of xubuntu
[01:56] <cyberanger> linuxman410: no, all live discs skip that
[01:57] <cyberanger> aim for a whole lot of simplicity, and I don't quite like that
[01:57] <linuxman410> cyberanger i think they should make openbox version of ubuntu
[01:59] <cyberanger> same here, and I bet two others here agree
[01:59] <Unit193> Who would they be?
[01:59] <cyberanger> you and chris4585
[01:59] <cyberanger> (at least)
[01:59] <Unit193> Would any of them (us?) have time to be testers?
[02:00] <Unit193> And I'm trying to help canthus13 get his setup
[02:01] <somebody__> cyberanger how can my name already be in use
[02:01] <somebody__> i do not see it in list
[02:02] <Unit193> Try to set your /nick again
[02:02] <somebody__> says already in use
[02:02] <Unit193> Ah! Did you identify yet?
[02:03] <somebody__> i am going to restart computer
[02:03] <somebody__> yes it would not let me
[02:04] <linuxman410> i'm back
[02:04] <cyberanger> hey linuxman410
[02:04] <cyberanger> a ghost command might have done it too
[02:05] <Unit193> linuxman410: Did you subscribe to the Lubuntu-desktop ML? You would know the answer to your question in #lubuntu if you did...
[02:05] <cyberanger> (some oddities occur once in a blue moon)
[02:05] <linuxman410> unit193 yeah
[02:05] <Unit193> The answer is that they have not
[02:05] <cyberanger> Unit193: time, heh, that's always the thing I seem to run out of first
[02:06] <Unit193> cyberanger: That be why I asked :)
[02:07] <cyberanger> but I've been running openbox for awhile personally (since 9.04, under crunchbang, split my own for lucid (forget exactly what I did in the middle, perhaps I did it in karmic, rotten pain) and done that ever sense)
[02:08] <cyberanger> Unit193: so idk what anyone would need to test
[02:09] <Unit193> They are going to make a metapackage/(yet another) respin
[02:09] <Unit193> Full package set et all
[02:10] <linuxman410> cyberanger ever tried fluxbox i like it
[02:10] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yeah, very short while, awhile ago
[02:11] <linuxman410> cyberanger did you like it
[02:14] <linuxman410> i sold 2 netbooks and bought 3 laptops and just got another 2nd chance offer for a 2gigahertz dell for 35.00
[02:15] <cyberanger> linuxman410: idk, I can't really remember (I wound up back on openbox, so I guess something caused me to go back)
[02:17] <linuxman410> cyberanger i may go ahead and buy other one
[02:17] <cyberanger> linuxman410: wow, that's quicj
[02:17] <cyberanger> quick*
[02:18] <linuxman410> i sold 2 g for 75 and dell mini 9 for 140
[02:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger what is quick
[02:19] <cyberanger> your buying and selling
[02:20] <linuxman410> cyberanger i do quick turn arounds
[02:23] <linuxman410> cyberanger is that bad
[02:24] <linuxman410> cyberanger u still here
[02:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger u still here
[03:24] <vychune> o/
[03:28] <linuxman410> vychune you here
[03:33] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[03:33] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[03:39] <vychune> o/
[03:39] <vychune> whats up man
[03:40] <vychune> linuxman410: hello?
[03:42] <linuxman410> vychune how are ya
[03:44] <vychune> good
[03:44] <vychune> whats up
[03:47] <linuxman410> nothing sold my 2 netbooks and bought 3 laptops and a guy offer me another one for 35 dollars dell 2 gigahertz second chance offer
[03:51] <wrst> linuxman410: here now
[03:52] <wrst> cyberanger: may start over with testing but as far as stable goes debian is wonderful
[03:52] <linuxman410> wrst yes i am here now or do u mean something else
[03:52] <wrst> nope :)
[03:53] <linuxman410> wrst got a second chance offer for a 2 gigahertz dell for 35 dollars
[03:53] <wrst> cool linuxman410
[03:54] <linuxman410> wrst just downloaded a net install of wheezy
[03:54] <wrst> linuxman410: i may give it a go next
[03:55] <linuxman410> wrst have you tried any other oses other than ubuntu
[03:55] <wrst> linuxman410: I use arch mostly at the moment, and on mageia right now
[03:55] <linuxman410> is mageia any good
[03:56] <linuxman410> wrst the only arch i could figure out was archbang
[03:57] <wrst> linuxman410: yes its the best kde distro out there i think well it and mandriva
[03:57] <wrst> linuxman410: arch is really easy if you follow the wiki
[03:57] <linuxman410> wrst i tried that did not work for me
[03:58] <wrst> and when i say follow I mean read it all :)
[03:58] <wrst> but its very good i think
[04:00] <linuxman410> wrst i tried and messed up a couple of times and did not have patience i tried ghostbsd and pcbsd both good
[04:00] <wrst> yeah pcbsd is ok I don't care for their kde implementation and theming, but not as mainstream as apps
[04:04] <vychune> gn
[07:06] <Unit193> Why did ubotuTN die anyway?
[11:40] <wrst> eights: ... aka baytes... good to see you how are things going?
[14:17] <vychune> good morning
[14:37] <wrst> morning vychune
[14:37] <vychune> how ya doing
[14:39] <wrst> good how about you vychune?
[14:41] <vychune> ok things are getting hectic at home
[15:30] <Guest63022> wrst, been better lmfao
[15:30] <wrst> Guest63022: good to see you back
[15:31] <baytes> yea while i got internet lol. phone broke too so im without a phone
[15:31] <baytes> wifey's in ohio, its rough with no communication
[15:31] <baytes> need to find a straight talk phone lol
[15:31] <baytes> wrst, how things been with you
[15:32] <wrst> been good baytes hate to hear all that
[15:32] <baytes> wrst, its life
[15:42] <cyberanger> hey baytes
[15:42] <cyberanger> and ouch
[16:06] <baytes> cyberanger, whats up
[16:06] <baytes> cyberanger, lol
[16:07] <cyberanger> baytes: eh, work, life, nothing unusual
[16:07] <cyberanger> (or is it the ceiling that's up)
[16:08] <cyberanger> fairly good day, so far
[16:11] <cyberanger> baytes: I'd ask you the same, but no point bringing that all up twice, right?
[16:12] <cyberanger> baytes: I'm still using celluar data for internet, btw, namely my T-Mobile G2 and Virgin Mobile Broadband2go Stick
[16:13] <cyberanger> In ways I've gotten to like this better than Cable and DSL, the only downside I cannot work around is I cannot host any servers off it (Carrier NAT)
[16:14] <cyberanger> but I've largely offset that with a VPS from Linode and Amazon's EC2
[16:17] <cyberanger> baytes: I wish you luck in sorting all this out, I've been down similar roads, never fun
[16:26] <baytes> cyberanger, lol yea deff never fun
[16:41] <Xpistos> Hey all
[16:48] <cyberanger> hey Xpistos
[16:49] <Xpistos> cyberanger
[17:02] <cyberanger> Xpistos: how's it going
[17:03] <Xpistos> it's going
[17:03] <Xpistos> vnc over ssh is good though
[17:03] <Xpistos> I haven't been able to get the browswer working over ssh but I haven't really tried to get it up and running yet
[17:07] <cyberanger> how many tunnels did you setup?
[17:07] <cyberanger> one local tunnel for vnc, I know that much
[17:19] <Xpistos> just the one
[17:19] <Xpistos> I have tried to mess with some others but with no success
[17:23] <cyberanger> Xpistos: add a dynamic, (for my example, I'll use dynamic 7077)
[17:24] <cyberanger> tell firefox to use socks5 proxy on localhost 7077
[17:24] <cyberanger> and then goto about:config, checkmark "I'll be careful, I promise"
[17:25] <cyberanger> set "network.proxy.socks_remote_dns"
[17:25] <cyberanger> to true
[17:27] <cyberanger> and, for the final step, enjoy ;-)
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> sorry I've been MIA for a few days
[17:43] <Unit193> pace_t_zulu: Howdy!
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> had a wedding in chicago this weekend
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> and i had a major milestone in my life yesterday
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> :D
[17:46] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: nice
[17:46] <cyberanger> how'd you like chicago
[17:46] <cyberanger> ?
[17:46] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: fantastic city
[17:47] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: fantastic wedding
[17:47] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: two of my best friends since fall of 2001 ... they have been together since them - though i met them each separately a few days before they got together
[17:48] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: the groom was my roommate for a few years ... and consequently the bride was too ... i love them both
[17:48] <cyberanger> (And I'd bet you didn't even see a 10th of the city too, head to a blackhawks or cubs game, get a hot dog with everything on it (and they mean everything, they only leave out the kitchen sink) deep dish pizza)
[17:48] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: we've travelled a lot together and i'm so excited for both of the  (especially her - i've never seen someone so genuinely and deeply happy)
[17:49] <pace_t_zulu> i can attest to the deep dish pizza
[17:49] <pace_t_zulu> the rest of that ... no - my weekend revolved around the wedding
[17:49] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: well, I wish them luck, it's too few nowadays that seem that way (and fewer ending that way)
[17:51] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: i have no question in my mind that that marriage is going to be as strong as any i've ever seen
[17:51] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: they've been together just shy of 10 years ... hardly rushed it ...
[17:51] <pace_t_zulu> i am so proud of them both and happy for them
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> as well as their families... i love both of their families
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> anyway... cyberanger pm
[17:52] <pace_t_zulu> Unit193: howdy ;)
[17:52] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: cool, sounds like it will
[17:52] <cyberanger> don't see any pm
[17:55] <Xpistos> cyberanger: do i need to open port 7077 on my firewall?
[18:03] <cyberanger> Xpistos: no
[18:03] <cyberanger> it's pretty dynamic
[18:10] <Xpistos> Thanks
[18:10] <Xpistos> That did it
[18:10] <Xpistos> I was putting the proxy info in the wrong spot
[18:12] <Xpistos> Better than a vpn
[18:13] <cyberanger> Xpistos: and in some ways, it can double as a VPN
[18:18] <Unit193> Just doesn't do UDP
[18:32] <Xpistos> and combining my portable putty and portable firefox in my dropbox, I can go anywere at any time
[18:32] <Xpistos> Stupid library computers
[18:37] <Unit193> I use it for tunnels and screen (My irssi session), works great for VNC :D
[20:32] <vychune> o/
[21:50] <cyberanger> Xpistos: and alot of VPN's are IP only (depending on tun vs tap interface)
[22:22] <cyberanger> at least, alot of vpn providers seem to favor just a tcp/ip setup
[22:23] <cyberanger> (aside from DNS & NTP, I wonder how much average tasks even use UDP)
[22:28] <Unit193> I have a few I miss :( but SSH mostly does it for me (PuTTYPortable or KiTTYPortable are GREAT!)
[22:40] <cyberanger> Unit193: why not straight up OpenSSH-Client?
[22:40] <cyberanger> unless your in windows (when I use PuTTYPortable, usually when not at the linux side of work)
[22:42] <Unit193> cyberanger: That was for flash drive. OpenSSH client is lacking is some ways...
[22:43] <Unit193> I like how you can reconfigure tunnels with PuTTY (And OpenSSH didn't clear the screen correctly for me on one server)
[22:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: in what reguards (I've found OpenSSH on par, just a matter of knowing how)
[22:44] <cyberanger> ah, idk about clearing the screen, I get that if networking breaks the connection (for both)
[22:44] <cyberanger> but you can reconfigure tunnels while running, most just don't know that
[22:45] <Unit193> Once you connect, it's supposed to clear and go to the top of the screen, openssh just goes to the top and leaves everything else there (Makes it real hard to read...)
[22:46] <Unit193> I'll have to findout how to reconfigure tunnels >_>
[22:48] <cyberanger> why is it supposed to? Putty isn't a terminal app, so I can't say this is an OpenSSH bug, vs a Putty feature (or a design difference)
[22:49] <Unit193> It clears it for some/most connections
[22:50] <cyberanger> ssh does, or your bashrc does
[22:51] <cyberanger> I've set it from bashrc to clear, followed by displaying the motd (followed by a similar ssh-only file)
[22:52] <cyberanger> Unit193: I'm not one for pointing at manpages, however I must say ssh's is how I got it, really had a bit that seems overlooked by many
[22:53] <cyberanger> and since as I said, I hate pointing at manpages, here is a blog covering the ssh escape modes
[22:53] <cyberanger> http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2006/01/24/ssh-escape-characters/
[22:53] <cyberanger> (and it's fairly verbose, I think I've found some more in the manpages, but that covers everything I've actually needed)
[22:56] <cyberanger> I use it to rekey my connections every so often (despite ssh supposed to do that every so often, kinda nice to force it on occasion)
[22:58]  * Unit193 is kinda stupid it seems...
[22:59] <cyberanger> Unit193: how so?
[22:59] <Unit193> Wouldn't that mess with things you type in irssi?
[23:00] <cyberanger> no, since it'll only do it on newline, and ssh steals it from irssi (the default escape is ~, if you for whatever reason what to start a newline with ~, do it twice ~~)
[23:01] <cyberanger> I think that is the most times I've ever used that char. a tilde I think? (It's used so little, idk what it's called, lol)
[23:02] <Unit193> ~This wouldn't get cought? (Stupid moments I have.....)
[23:04] <cyberanger> to clarify, ~? would (since ssh ties that into a help menu) and ~C would (the command mode) and ~~ would not, nor would anything ssh isn't listening for, on a newline
[23:04] <cyberanger> ?
[23:05] <cyberanger> capital T isn't an option, so it wasn'
[23:05] <cyberanger> t caught
[23:06] <cyberanger> (man, I miss my home keyboard, lol, so much difference)
[23:07] <cyberanger> Unit193: so try with a newline, ~?
[23:08] <cyberanger> if it doesn't take in OpenSSH Client, there maybe a NULL charater in the way, which IRSSI ignores (but still isn't a newline)
[23:09]  * cyberanger admits, it could be simplier, but it is the CLI, some things are a learning curve, I got more CLI time lately, so it's a small disadvantage for me to use a GUI (I can, just not as proficent)
[23:10] <Unit193> I foget about Synaptic...
[23:10] <Unit193> Dang... It does pick it up in irssi :(
[23:11] <Unit193> I have to switch screen windows to get it back... But I guess it does work...
[23:11] <cyberanger> what issue?
[23:12] <cyberanger> (and if it does muddy your window, a few things work, the terminal clear command, refresh shortcut (Ctrl L) and telling irssi to redraw
[23:13] <cyberanger> rarely does it seem to muddy it, but once it did (bad screenrc tried to interject a bit)
[23:13] <cyberanger> hey linuxman410
[23:13] <linuxman410> cyberanger how u doing
[23:13] <cyberanger> not too bad
[23:13] <cyberanger> how about you linuxman410
[23:14] <Unit193> cyberanger: Thanks for helping the town idiot :P
[23:14] <cyberanger> Unit193: when tunneling, if your tunnel is active in OpenSSH, it'll wait on the tunnel (sort of a reminder to me, that Thunderbird or firefox is using it)
[23:15] <linuxman410> cyberanger doing ok
[23:15] <Unit193> I won't have that issue, I have the issue of keeping SSH connected when tunneling FF (Could just be bad software on the other end of this one connection)
[23:16] <cyberanger> Unit193: so I use ~. to disconnect if I can't figure out what is using the tunnel (real helpful if using the remote tunnel, which I did at a confrence, anyone on the lan could use that tunnel to connect to my servers http and smtp servers)
[23:16] <cyberanger> Unit193: what's cutting out, wifi
[23:16] <linuxman410> cyberanger how come when i run whois on you it says secure connection but it does not on me
[23:17] <Unit193> cyberanger: Nope, SSH just drops (can't make it happen right now because the other side DSL modem needs to be reset again)
[23:18] <cyberanger> (and your not the town idiot, we all have intresting lessons we've learned, shared with others, and more lessons to learn, we all don't have a full understanding of linux, too much changes to have stuff set in stone)
[23:18] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what's your client?
[23:18] <linuxman410> unit193 i have to reset my dsl modem all the time
[23:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger i am on wife's mac running xchat aqua
[23:19] <Unit193> linuxman410: Since it's at the other end, I can't do it :( (The cable one here works nice :) )
[23:19] <cyberanger> Unit193: I thought you were Time Warner Cable
[23:19] <Unit193> cyberanger: I am, remote location is not
[23:20] <cyberanger> Unit193: ah, Verizon DSL then, I'd presume?
[23:20] <Unit193> Embarq
[23:20] <linuxman410> cyberanger i bought the fourth laptop last night for 35 dollars
[23:21] <cyberanger> linuxman410: I cannot recall the step by step for Xchat, but your connecting to freenode on a non-ssl port (I'd guess port 6667, the usual IRC port)
[23:21] <linuxman410> yeah
[23:21] <cyberanger> for freenode, you need one of two ssl enabled ports, 7000 or 7070
[23:21] <cyberanger> and tell xchat to use ssl
[23:21] <cyberanger> that's why it's doing that
[23:23] <cyberanger> Unit193: at least you keep your client up to date (however it's over a year old, wonder if IRSSI has a beta)
[23:24] <linuxman410> cyberanger i downloaded wheezy with firmware do you think it will have intel wireless drivers
[23:24] <Unit193> cyberanger: How would you know if I do? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:25] <cyberanger> Unit193: cause irssi hasn't released anything newer than 0.8.15 (your version of CTCP)
[23:25] <cyberanger> but if you want to update your whole system via the CLI, that's it
[23:26] <cyberanger> (or sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade which seems to have better collision protection)
[23:26] <Unit193> cyberanger: Ah, I missed that msg in the status window. I normally do dist-upgrade
[23:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger can u answer my question
[23:27] <cyberanger> Unit193: what message in the status message?
[23:27] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorry, I am working on the answer
[23:27] <Unit193> [18:22:20] [Freenode] cyberanger (~infocop41@swissknife/adak/infocop411) requested CTCP VERSION from Unit193:
[23:27] <cyberanger> Unit193: ah, I supress those myself
[23:27] <linuxman410> cyberanger it is 3945 wireless
[23:27] <cyberanger> linuxman410: why such an old version
[23:27] <Unit193> I like to know when I get a CTCP :)
[23:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger wheezy is debian 7
[23:28] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorry, was thinking lenny, right
[23:29] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what's your apt sources.list have, "main contrib non-free" right?
[23:29] <linuxman410> cyberanger it is version with firmware
[23:29] <cyberanger> linuxman410: If I recall, it does, but I think I had to enable those for better support
[23:30] <cyberanger> linuxman410: ok, I'll lookup to double check, but for what I recall, yes
[23:30] <linuxman410> cyberanger i got net install of wheezy with firmware and fixing to install
[23:31] <cyberanger> linuxman410: say the card again please
[23:31] <linuxman410> cyberanger i am going to do a cli install and then customize
[23:32] <linuxman410> intel 3945
[23:33] <linuxman410> cyberanger it is a Compaq NC6220 Pentium 4 Laptop
[23:35] <linuxman410> sorry it is intel 2200 wireless
[23:36] <cyberanger> linuxman410: ok, hang on (that one I gotta lookup, I knew a little about the 3945 and it's sucessor)
[23:36] <linuxman410> cyberanger it says on compaq site it will run novell linux
[23:38] <cyberanger> linuxman410: your using the nonfree-firmware tarball, or a disc with this merged in, right?
[23:38] <linuxman410> right
[23:39] <cyberanger> then yes, as long as nonfree-firmware is involved, it should be fine
[23:39] <cyberanger> (mine isn't quite there yet, but a usb card is, so I either sneak it in, similar to the nonfree-firmware tarball, or use that card and then add support after install for the built in one)
[23:39] <linuxman410> cyberanger i know it is expermental software but i am not going to use it for paying bills or anything
[23:41]  * cyberanger wishes ubuntu had a netinst image that allowed installing over wifi (the MinimalCD is a netinst disc, but solely a ethernet NIC, no 802.11 NIC support)
[23:42] <cyberanger> linuxman410: really, that's a shame, I use it to pay bills and such (it's quite stable, but I call it testing, forgetting the debian wheezy name)
[23:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: that's a pain, never had much of that issue myself, does the DSL modem handle login and such, or your router (I'm referring to the PPPoE Login)
[23:43] <cyberanger> linuxman410: it is expermental, so yeah, I have plan b in case, but it really seems to hold ground
[23:45] <Unit193> cyberanger: I thought the modem did, but it's in bridge mode and I couldn't access the web interface (It could have been rather picky...)
[23:48] <cyberanger> Unit193: what's the router
[23:51] <cyberanger> linuxman410: looks like my card is now in the nonfree-firmware tarball too, a few days after my last install (Darn luck there)
[23:52] <Unit193> cyberanger: Belkin F5Dxxx, I'm sorry I can't remember more...
[23:52] <Unit193> I know the two I have connected here :P
[23:52] <linuxman410> cyberanger you are already running wheezy
[23:53] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yep
[23:54] <cyberanger> Unit193: hrm, the Linksys WRT54GL with DD-WRT or Tomato (depending on which I had on a given day) just held
[23:54] <Unit193> F5D82xx
[23:54] <cyberanger> linuxman410: amoungst other distros
[23:54] <Unit193> cyberanger: I have a WRT54GSv3 with Tomato as main and WRT54Gv6 DD-WRT Micro
[23:54] <linuxman410> cyberanger my mom found out how secure windows is not she acess the wireless at a hotel and when she disconneted it say are you sure someone else is connected
[23:55] <cyberanger> Unit193: hrm, wonder if the firmware is causing it, or the provider or the modem
[23:55] <Unit193> cyberanger: Or the building wireing...
[23:55] <cyberanger> Unit193: true, I'd say that falls under provider though (unless your responsable for that)
[23:56] <linuxman410> unit193 my dsl is filtered at the pole not in house
[23:56] <cyberanger> linuxman410: as in somebody else got into her laptop?
[23:56] <linuxman410> cyberanger yes
[23:57] <cyberanger> linuxman410: well, I don't really trust linux at hotel wifi even (just the nature of wifi, I'll lock down everything, firewall everything, and setup a VPN, and still move some data over the celluar cards)
[23:57] <linuxman410> windows was completely updated and she was running a firewall and antivirus
[23:58] <linuxman410> cyberanger i will not even check my email on free wifi
[23:59] <linuxman410> i also encrypt my home directory