broder | TheMuso: ping? i was looking at python-virtkey for the dh_python2 jam, and slangasek noticed that the there's a lp:python-virtkey branch owned by ~onboard. there are recent commits to it, but it doesn't reflect the last two archive uploads, so we were wondering if you had any idea what's up | 00:06 |
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slangasek | TheMuso, broder: looking closely at the branch history, it doesn't appear that lp:python-virtkey quite matches what's been uploaded even before the two latest uploads; so I'm going to drop the Vcs-Bzr field since it doesn't appear to be accurate | 00:14 |
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TheMuso | Sounds reasonable. | 00:34 |
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aldeka | Hi all! | 03:45 |
aldeka | So, I have a dumb question. | 03:45 |
aldeka | Roughly how many people contribute to Ubuntu? Hundreds? Thousands? | 03:46 |
aldeka | (I guess meaning people who wrote a patch, or who were otherwise significantly active, in the past year) | 03:46 |
sladen | aldeka: hard question to answer. There are many more people who contribute to Ubuntu than write patches! | 03:48 |
aldeka | That is true. | 03:48 |
sladen | aldeka: it's a bit like the "how long is a piece of string" question | 03:49 |
aldeka | Heh. | 03:50 |
sladen | aldeka: For example, there are 1350+ people who've have subscribed to and install the PPAs to beta test early versions of the ubuntu Font Family | 03:52 |
sladen | aldeka: and taking the time to beta-test fonts is a pretty niche activity | 03:53 |
aldeka | Wow. | 03:53 |
aldeka | re: # of font-testers | 03:53 |
sladen | aldeka: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-typeface-interest/+members | 03:54 |
NCommander | @pilot off | 04:25 |
udevbot | (pilot (in|out)) -- Set yourself an in or out of patch pilot. | 04:25 |
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pitti | Good morning | 07:18 |
ion | that | 07:23 |
didrocks | good morning | 07:42 |
dholbach | good morning | 07:53 |
tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 08:30 |
pitti | hey tkamppeter | 08:30 |
tkamppeter | pitti, it is about bug 801306, a user is only able to use AirPrint when he adds "ServerAlias *" to cupsd.conf. What should we do? | 08:31 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 801306 in cups (Ubuntu) "Airprint from Safari on ipad doesn't print" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801306 | 08:31 |
pitti | slangasek: is it ok for you if I upload the multiarch cups in 4 days (when the current version went to testing)? if you need it earlier, I can do an ubuntu specific upload | 08:31 |
slangasek | pitti: there's no hurry | 08:31 |
pitti | tkamppeter: <hostname.local> is the standard FQDN for zeroconf networks | 08:32 |
pitti | tkamppeter: but '*' seems a bit excessive for that -- cups should listen to all local hostnames in /etc/hosts (all names for 127.0.*.*) and for <hostname.local> | 08:33 |
pitti | this seems to be a more sensible internal default | 08:33 |
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pitti | slangasek: for the pam upload, do you want to wait until I have the shadow upload ready with the updated login.defs documentation? | 08:57 |
slangasek | pitti: I don't think you need to wait | 08:58 |
pitti | I'll fix that today anyway, just want to know whether you are waiting for something else, or want me to upload | 08:58 |
tkamppeter | pitti, so we should patch CUPS to add "<hostname>.local" to their internal defaults? | 08:59 |
pitti | tkamppeter: I think so, yes | 09:00 |
pitti | tkamppeter: I wonder why it doesn't do that already -- after all, the .local stuff is way more popular in the apple world | 09:00 |
tkamppeter | pitti, so this can even be a bug in CUPS and not a missing feature. | 09:01 |
pitti | tkamppeter: yes, I think so; it's certainly upstreamable | 09:02 |
pitti | tkamppeter: well, it might be an omission in our avahi patch | 09:02 |
slangasek | pitti: you can upload; otherwise I'll do so after merging the latest Debian upload | 09:04 |
pitti | slangasek: ok, then I'll upload it together with shadow, so that we have this in a2 | 09:05 |
tkamppeter | pitti, the error message originates from scheduler/client.c | 09:05 |
pitti | slangasek: I sent an updated patch to the BTS as well (although I guess that's just you with a different hat as well :) ) | 09:05 |
slangasek | pitti: same hat, just wearing it backwards ;) | 09:05 |
pitti | clever! | 09:06 |
tkamppeter | pitti, it is a bug in our patch, scheduler/client.c has "#ifdef HAVE_DNSSD" sections, these need also be compiled if Avahi is present. | 09:09 |
AnAnt | Daviey: ping (reminding you of swt-gtk) | 09:13 |
tkamppeter | pitti, other possible DNS-SD bugs are in cgi-bin/admin.c, scheduler/ipp.c, as these files also contain "#ifdef HAVE_DNSSD" but are not modified by cups-avahi.dpatch. | 09:13 |
Daviey | AnAnt: ok, thanks | 09:28 |
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Daviey | AnAnt: hmm.. the debdiff doesn't seem to cleanly apply? | 09:39 |
AnAnt | huh | 09:39 |
AnAnt | let me check | 09:39 |
Daviey | AnAnt: for example, in the Debian version you are a Uploader: , but not in the debdiff? | 09:42 |
Daviey | AnAnt: i can fix it up, but i'm interested what happend? | 09:42 |
AnAnt | dunno | 09:48 |
AnAnt | Daviey: while I prepare a fixed debdiff, any comments on the dropped change I mentioned ? | 09:49 |
AnAnt | Daviey: done | 09:52 |
Daviey | AnAnt: it looks good to me, visually | 09:57 |
AnAnt | Daviey: ok, please sponsor then :) | 10:27 |
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tumbleweed | didrocks: we upload ubuntu-dev-tools to Debian where possible | 10:56 |
didrocks | tumbleweed: oh sorry, didn't notice that, do you want to sponsor it and then we make a dummy sync? | 10:58 |
didrocks | will know for the future : ) | 10:58 |
tumbleweed | sure, can do. did you upload yet? | 10:59 |
didrocks | tumbleweed: I just did, let me check again | 10:59 |
didrocks | tumbleweed: should be in the next round, right. If we don't upload ubuntu-dev-tools only for ubuntu, we should really rename the package name :) | 11:02 |
tumbleweed | didrocks: heh, we're trying to get most of the non-ubuntu-dev-specific scripts rehomed elsewhere | 11:03 |
didrocks | tumbleweed: I've just seen more than 4 weeks of pending changes, hence the upload, if you want, just upload 0.126 in Debian and I'll sync | 11:03 |
tumbleweed | I'll see if I can get some of the pending merges landed first | 11:04 |
tumbleweed | bdrung: any objection to merging broder's fix-785854 branch? | 11:04 |
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cjwatson | lamont: should we migrate bug 797555 into RT in order to get some of your work time on it? | 11:18 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 797555 in libjboss-buildmagic-java (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libjboss-buildmagic-java needs a manual build using the unstable binaries" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/797555 | 11:18 |
ogra | cjwatson, just fyi (and since i have the first images today since the change) manifest files work fine on preinstalled images now | 11:19 |
cjwatson | oh good | 11:20 |
dholbach | pitti, do you have an idea why community-o-new-ubuntudev-outreach does not show up on status.u.c? | 11:24 |
* ogra would like to see his team on status.u.c actually :) | 11:25 | |
pitti | dholbach: no work items defined -- you need a "work items:" header :) | 11:25 |
dholbach | gah, I'm stupid | 11:26 |
dholbach | thanks pitti | 11:26 |
pitti | dholbach: also, note that the [dholbach] tags are redundant -- you are already the default WI assignee as you are the BP assignee | 11:26 |
pitti | they don't hurt, of course, just make typing harder | 11:26 |
* pitti hugs dholbach | 11:26 | |
dholbach | ah ok, good to know | 11:26 |
dholbach | thanks pitti! | 11:26 |
ogra | pitti, are you maintining access for teams to that ? i would like to see ubuntu-armel on there | 11:28 |
pitti | ogra: you mean like http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html ? | 11:31 |
pitti | ubuntu-armel has been in the reports for ages, I think | 11:32 |
ogra | err | 11:32 |
ogra | it hasnt been there a week ago or so | 11:32 |
pitti | ogra: but anyway, the config is writable by platform, lp:~wi-tracker-configurators/launchpad-work-items-tracker/ubuntu-config | 11:32 |
pitti | hm, perhaps | 11:32 |
ogra | oh, its the wi tracker code it uses as backend | 11:33 |
ogra | then i'm fine | 11:33 |
pitti | ogra: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html has data since at least May 26 (UDS) | 11:33 |
ogra | yeah | 11:33 |
pitti | so the config was there before; perhaps status.u.c. didn't because of a recently fixed bug? | 11:33 |
ogra | it just wasnt on status.u.c and i didnt know they are the same | 11:33 |
pitti | they are separate instances really | 11:33 |
pitti | people.u.c. is the old one, but keeps running until status.u.c has been fully announced and the quirks shaken out | 11:34 |
ogra | yeah | 11:34 |
ogra | ok, then i'm fine, sorry for the noise | 11:34 |
pitti | no problem :) | 11:35 |
tkamppeter | pitti, the fix for CUPS (new cups-avahi.dpatch) is on its way ... | 11:58 |
pitti | tkamppeter: cheers! | 12:02 |
lamont | cjwatson: RT gets core-hours time applied to it, launchpad bugs are after-hours things, so yeah, RT will get it more attention, esp since it's written up so more than just me can do it | 12:16 |
tkamppeter | pitti, slangasek, current Debian BZR is FTBFSing, it does not pass the built-in regression tests. So I will test my changes on an SRU for Natty and add it to Oneiric as soon as the code stabilizes/the multiarch addition is finished. | 12:18 |
Daviey | Laney: around? | 12:22 |
Laney | yep | 12:22 |
Daviey | Laney: are you able to ack jamespages membership to ~ubuntu-server-dev please? | 12:23 |
Daviey | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev | 12:23 |
Daviey | (he was in approved in the most recent meeting) | 12:23 |
Laney | sure | 12:24 |
Daviey | Laney: thanks \o/ | 12:24 |
Laney | beep boop blop | 12:25 |
Laney | there we go | 12:25 |
Laney | jamespage: enjoy | 12:25 |
jamespage | Laney: thankyou! | 12:26 |
Daviey | super! | 12:26 |
Laney | lucas: hey, I just got around to crunching the ubuntu -changes archives into a format similar to the one you use for debian-devel-changes... http://master.debian.org/~laney/ubuntu-changes-split/ — would it be easy for you to set up a table in UDD for these? | 12:28 |
Laney | I also changed http://master.debian.org/~laney/munge_ddc.py to work with them | 12:28 |
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Laney | "To: warty-changes@rince.africaninspace.com" heh heh | 12:29 |
Daviey | Laney: where did you get the original archives from? | 12:32 |
Laney | -changes mboxes on lists.u.c | 12:32 |
Daviey | oh interesting. | 12:32 |
Daviey | I thought the dead releases were no longer there. | 12:32 |
elmo | they're just not advertised, they're still there, we try not to remove stuff unnecessarily | 12:33 |
Daviey | elmo: rocking | 12:33 |
Laney | just filed an RT ticket to have them rsyncable so that I can be more server friendly | 12:33 |
Laney | currently I have to dowload the whole mbox again when there's an upload | 12:34 |
Daviey | Laney: you don't want to know how i recently parsed them. :) | 12:34 |
Laney | using one of the many great Free mbox parsing libraries? | 12:34 |
* Laney coughs | 12:34 | |
Daviey | no comment | 12:35 |
lucas | Laney: quite | 12:38 |
lucas | Laney: I'll add it to my TODO, but will try to get to do it this afternoon | 12:38 |
Laney | thanks | 12:38 |
Laney | I shall set up a daily cron to update them | 12:38 |
Laney | it'll have Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed (IIRC) as well as Closes | 12:38 |
lucas | ok | 12:39 |
tkamppeter | pitti, tested AirPrint fix on Natty and pushed it to Debian BZR repo. | 12:53 |
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cjwatson | lamont: ah, now that I look, I see that jamespage already did. RT#46381 | 13:08 |
lamont | cool | 13:08 |
lamont | ISTR a few more that may or may not have migrated yet | 13:09 |
lamont | my plate is currently plenty-full until july 7 or so, fwiw | 13:09 |
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ScottK | lamont: Slightly unconveniently we got our first real "Hey, please make multi-instance work" bug today. | 13:23 |
lamont | ScottK: on the bright side, I have a plane ride coming up real soon where I'll be able to make some time to work on that | 13:26 |
lamont | may even stuff that in on sunday | 13:26 |
ScottK | Nice. | 13:26 |
lamont | not just because, well, using it myself | 13:26 |
ScottK | lamont: That's handy as I've got a project that's currently on BSD that may move to Ubuntu and it would be very convenient for me not to have to figure it out. | 13:27 |
lamont | ScottK: you have my permission to pester me relentlessly on multi-instance | 13:28 |
ScottK | Excellent. | 13:33 |
zul | @pilot in | 13:38 |
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pitti | zul: happy flying | 14:16 |
zul | pitti: thanks | 14:16 |
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apw | pitti, had any reports of the burn-down reports being shy some tasks? | 14:23 |
apw | pitti, i am seeing only 1 TODO on alpha2 for our ubuntu-delta-review on your tables, but my matrix shows 5 todos in the same combinations | 14:24 |
tkamppeter | pitti, I have now uploaded the SRU for Natty for the AirPrint fix (bug #801306). | 14:31 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 801306 in cups (Ubuntu Natty) "Airprint only works with "ServerAlias *" in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801306 | 14:31 |
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pitti | tkamppeter: thanks | 14:49 |
pitti | apw: hey | 14:49 |
apw | pitti, hey | 14:49 |
pitti | I didn't have reports, let me look | 14:49 |
pitti | hm, indeed | 14:51 |
apw | pitti, i presume the db is ok as my report has them in | 14:52 |
pitti | it looks like it leaves out the WIs from the people who aren't in ~canonical-kernel-team? | 14:53 |
pitti | ah, no | 14:53 |
pitti | manjo is in the team | 14:53 |
pitti | apw: ooh | 14:54 |
james_w | do the workitems have the same description? | 14:54 |
pitti | apw: the work items have the same name | 14:54 |
pitti | james_w: snap :) | 14:54 |
pitti | apw: right, it seems it assigns one and the same WI to different people, and the report identifies them | 14:55 |
james_w | they are counted in the burndown, but not shown in the table | 14:55 |
pitti | probably the last one wins, or whatever the DB order is | 14:55 |
apw | pitti, yes ... but we changed that ages ago to allow it | 14:55 |
apw | as its clearly something one might want to do, i specifically remember fixing it | 14:55 |
james_w | well it's broken again :-) | 14:56 |
james_w | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker/+bug/795681 | 14:56 |
ubottu | Ubuntu bug 795681 in work-items-tracker "Work Items with same descriptions are counted as one, eventhough they are for different milestones" [Undecided,New] | 14:56 |
james_w | same cause I think | 14:56 |
apw | james yeah sounds likely | 14:56 |
pitti | apw: but in this case they are on the same milestone | 14:57 |
pitti | so we probably need to include the assignee into the primary key? | 14:57 |
james_w | It may be enough to just remove the DISTINCT around description in the queries | 14:58 |
pitti | hm, the WI table doesn't even have a PK | 14:58 |
james_w | there's nothing that stops you from creating identical workitems, but I'm not sure it's the tracker's job to enforce that | 14:58 |
apw | james_w, whats confusing is when we had this same situation in natty ... i went through and took them all out cause it caused exactly this problem | 15:00 |
apw | its not obvious why we want to squash them ever | 15:00 |
apw | (all out, all the DISTINCTs out) | 15:00 |
james_w | apw, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~work-items-tracker-hackers/launchpad-work-items-tracker/trunk/revision/239 | 15:07 |
james_w | so I don't think you took them all out | 15:07 |
james_w | you fixed it for the graph by the look of it | 15:07 |
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apw | james_w, very odd we didn't notice till now ... fair enought ... will try and look at it next week | 15:17 |
bdrung | didrocks: you uploaded u-d-t to oneiric and that adds work to me. | 15:50 |
bdrung | didrocks: we were waiting for distro-info to get accepted in debian | 15:51 |
didrocks | bdrung: tumbleweed already mentionned it to me, I never noticed that a package with ubuntu in the name was synced from debian. I added some fixes and seeing no release for more than 4 weeks, I decided to upload. Sorry for that | 15:51 |
didrocks | bdrung: tumbleweed told me he would upload on debian and then I'll sync back | 15:51 |
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slangasek | seb128: components-mismatches picked up a weird build-dependency tree, gtkmm2.4 -> gtkmm-documentation -> gtkmm3.0; do you know whether we should be migrating to gtkmm3.0 for main, or if we need to cut out the dependency? | 16:43 |
pitti | it's mainly just gnome-system-monitor and parted which use these | 16:44 |
jdstrand | zul: ok, libvirt 0.9.2-4ubuntu1 uploaded. while it build fine on amd64, hallyn's 9023-disable-test-poll.patch was dropped. if builds fail, you might want to grab it from 0.9.1-1ubuntu4, adjusting it for 0.9.2 | 16:44 |
pitti | slangasek, seb128: cjwatson already started porting gparted to 3.0, and if/when that happens, I think we could just drop g-s-monitor from the default install | 16:45 |
tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 16:45 |
pitti | hey tkamppeter | 16:45 |
slangasek | pitti: +inkscape :) | 16:45 |
pitti | slangasek: that's not on the CD, though | 16:48 |
pitti | slangasek: at some point it ought to be ported as well, of course, but the pressure is lower there | 16:48 |
slangasek | pitti: right, well I was asking about component status, and inkscape is in main at leat | 16:50 |
slangasek | least | 16:50 |
pitti | from that POV I think it should be in main; it's similar to gtk-3, a new upstream version of the C++ bindings, but new package names as we need for for some time | 16:50 |
slangasek | ok | 16:51 |
slangasek | does it need an MIR? | 16:51 |
pitti | we usually handled new upstream versions with changed names without one | 16:51 |
pitti | mterry, didrocks, doko ^ ok with you, or do you want an MIR? | 16:51 |
didrocks | sounds that more paperwork isn't needed IMHO | 16:52 |
mterry | pitti, yeah, that's fine | 16:52 |
pitti | I promote it ithen | 16:52 |
hallyn | jdstrand: thanks! | 16:52 |
pitti | bah @ typing -- TGIF | 16:53 |
didrocks | pitti: becoming a mac addict? ;) | 16:53 |
* pitti pats his Android mobille | 16:53 | |
didrocks | :) | 16:53 |
pitti | didrocks: hardly -- after installing my mother's iPod touch I loved android five times more :) | 16:53 |
didrocks | pitti: heh, never touched those things. Still happy with my android phone :) but ithen -> izen? maybe a new concept coming? :) | 16:54 |
slangasek | pitti: right, but we usually don't give carte blanche to having more than one upstream version in main at the same time - but if you're all happy, that's fine :) | 16:55 |
pitti | slangasek: necessary wart, I guess; the bindings themselves are by and large zero maintenance anyway | 16:56 |
pitti | it's gtk2 and 3 themselves which double work | 16:56 |
slangasek | sure | 16:57 |
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broder | pitti: re bug 565047, i am still using maverick in a couple of places where i saw hardware support regressions in natty, so i would like to get the fix into both m and n. i can do the verification legwork | 17:36 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 565047 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu Natty) "Unable to install off USB 3.0 port (HP Envy 15 Laptop)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565047 | 17:36 |
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Jarvis | hmm, have a curious issue regarding direct access to keyboard events. It seems certain applications want direct access to /dev/input/event* (namely java apps) | 17:39 |
Jarvis | i'm wondering whether to bug rep it or not | 17:39 |
Jarvis | can anyone think of a reason not to give world read access to /dev/input/event* | 17:40 |
broder | because i don't want every unprivileged user to be able to see my keystrokes? | 17:40 |
Jarvis | somones suggested possibly dropping it into its own group and giving access to that | 17:41 |
Jarvis | i've no clue why java (lwgl it seems inparticular) wants read access like that, but hey | 17:41 |
Jarvis | fair point broder | 17:42 |
Jarvis | i might try and find out why its directly accessing it in the first place | 17:42 |
Jarvis | as it shouldn't be | 17:43 |
jaberwokey | Should questions about the C appindicator api be asked here, or in #ubuntu-app-devel? | 18:07 |
ScottK | jaberwokey: I would guess the latter or #ayatana. | 18:14 |
jaberwokey | k, thanks | 18:17 |
seb128 | re | 18:22 |
seb128 | slangasek, pitti: yeah, just promote it | 18:23 |
seb128 | the goal would be to use gtk3 if we can this cycle | 18:23 |
Ampelbein | hi there, has something changed in oneiric regarding --no-copy-dt-needed-entries (--no-add-needed)? 'gcc -Wall -Wl,--no-as-needed,--no-copy-dt-needed-entries test.c -o test -lslang' works (with test.c being http://paste.ubuntu.com/631913/). shouldn't that give an undefined reference error? | 18:28 |
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doko | infinity: ping | 20:10 |
Ampelbein | doko: maybe you can tell if something is changed in oneiric: 'gcc -Wall -Wl,--no-as-needed,--no-copy-dt-needed-entries test.c -o test -lslang' should IMHO give a undefined reference error, test.c is http://paste.ubuntu.com/631913/. Am I thinking wrongly? | 20:15 |
infinity | doko: 'sup? | 20:29 |
infinity | doko: You know better than the fire off contentless pings. ;) | 20:31 |
infinity | doko: s/than the/than to/ | 20:31 |
pitti | broder: okay then | 20:31 |
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broder | pitti: thanks | 20:49 |
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ScottK | infinity: Apparently not. | 22:07 |
mannic | hi | 23:07 |
mannic | there is someone who can help me on building the last unity trunk in 11.04? | 23:07 |
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