[06:45] <YoBoY> bonjour
[06:45] <YoBoY> hum... good morning :D
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:57] <MooDoo> moring
[09:53] <dholbach> mhall119, cjohnston: did you also get a mail about the unicode issue trying to add a meeting to LD?
[09:53] <dholbach> if no, I'd be happy to forward the mail
[11:32] <cjohnston> dholbach: I don't remember that
[11:33] <dholbach> let me send it over to you
[11:33] <dholbach> sent
[13:39] <mhall119> dholbach: I got the email, can you add cjohnston to the settings.ADMINS so he gets them too?
[14:12] <czajkowski> mhall119: why does Russia apprear twice under Asia and Europe http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[14:16] <mhall119> czajkowski: because it's technically in both
[14:18] <dholbach> mhall119, cjohnston asked IS to be added
[14:22] <mhall119> dholbach: thanks
[14:25] <daker> czajkowski, pong
[14:29] <czajkowski> daker: you in morocco loco??
[14:36] <daker> yep
[14:40] <czajkowski> daker: any idea of the team contact email address please 
[14:40] <czajkowski> pm it to me 
[14:41] <mhall119> czajkowski: question about bug 801514
[14:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 801514 in loco-directory (and 1 other project) "making team contact a mandatory field when creating a team (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801514
[14:41] <mhall119> when you say there's a field for "contact", do you mean in LD or LP?
[14:42] <czajkowski> mhall119: I've reported in both 
[14:42] <czajkowski> but in that case it's a LD bug as in the field team contact is emty 70% of the time 
[14:43] <mhall119> ok, I didn't realize LP had that field at all
[14:43] <czajkowski> so I've to go all of the place to find it 
[14:44] <mhall119> I'm not sure if that's actually kept by LP, or if they just use it to send out an initial email and then forget about it
[14:52] <czajkowski> mhall119: whats the point in being a team contact if you wont put your name down 
[14:52] <czajkowski> really frustrated 
[14:53] <mhall119> czajkowski: it's probably more a case of "Didn't know I needed to" than "Didn't want to"
[14:55] <czajkowski> nope... they fill in admin
[14:55] <czajkowski> but not team contact 
[14:55] <mhall119> we pull admins from LP, I think
[14:55] <czajkowski> well if they were using LD to add events you'd see it in a second.
[14:56] <czajkowski> mhall119: if half can do it, I don't see why the other half can't either tbh 
[14:57] <mhall119> again, I think it's more ignorance than apathy
[14:58] <nigelb> We're now trying to solve a social problem with technology.
[14:58] <nigelb> A reach out to the teams would be a good idea, particular in the loco-contacts list.
[14:58] <mhall119> nigelb: which is fine, we just need the right technology
[14:58] <czajkowski> nigelb: nope learnign nobody reads the list 
[14:58] <czajkowski> I've mailed so far 40 teams today 
[14:58] <czajkowski> by team contact 
[14:59] <czajkowski> also mhall119 did FL get team banner ??
[14:59] <czajkowski> or do I go throttle itnet7 
[14:59] <mhall119> physical banner?
[14:59] <nigelb> czajkowski: I wonder if we should just go in to loco channels and talk to them. There's enough of us willing to help to do that.
[14:59] <mhall119> nigelb: we just need this technology: http://goo.gl/I7IEx
[14:59] <nigelb> mhall119: hahaha
[15:00] <czajkowski> nigelb: nope language barrier from now will just mail the team directly as we can now do that 
[15:00] <czajkowski> and with the lc blog 
[15:00] <nigelb> czajkowski: ah. from LP?
[15:00] <czajkowski> nope
[15:00] <nigelb> m/l?
[15:00] <czajkowski> we haz magic :) 
[15:00] <nigelb> or you just found the contact's email address and email'd them
[15:01] <czajkowski> nigelb: 20 questions:) 
[15:01] <czajkowski> nigelb: we the LC can mail teams directly
[15:01] <czajkowski> simple 
[15:01] <nigelb> czajkowski: \o/ WIN.
[15:01] <nigelb> We need to solve the problem I mentioned in the bug report. I'll talk to LP folks once they're back from Dublin.
[15:01] <czajkowski> already talked to them this morning 
[15:01] <czajkowski> wishlist 
[15:02] <nigelb> Not that one.
[15:02] <mhall119> nigelb: czajkowski: the bug has been on our radar for a while, there's just no good way to solve it
[15:02] <mhall119> but, since it's still an issue, we need to find the least-bad way 
[15:02] <nigelb> I meant the one where we don't have all the members of a team to select as contact.
[15:04] <mhall119> nigelb: I think we'll need to talk to some LP guys about how best to pull such a massive amount of data
[15:04] <nigelb> mhall119: Yeah, we'll have to wait until next week to find them more relaxed.
[15:04] <mhall119> they get relaxed?
[15:04] <nigelb> mhall119: Thunderdome next week.
[15:05] <nigelb> Wait, you're the guy working for Canonical.
[15:05] <nigelb> mhall119: Or if you have time now, we can go talk to them now :-)
[15:06] <mhall119> nigelb: sure
[15:06] <mhall119> what channel?
[15:06] <nigelb> mhall119: #launchpad-dev
[20:13] <Ronnie> ping czajkowski, paultag
[20:13] <czajkowski> Ronnie: pong 
[20:14] <czajkowski> just doing your last to do list now 
[20:14] <czajkowski> email will be sent in the next 20 mins 
[20:14] <czajkowski> it's beena  long day 
[20:15] <Ronnie> our loco-contact (sense) has been absent for quite some time now (8 weeks)
[20:15] <Ronnie> so this team meeting we decided to assign a back-up loco cantact
[20:15] <Ronnie> contact*
[20:15] <czajkowski> oh wrong person 
[20:15] <czajkowski> Ronnie: what's up 
[20:15] <Ronnie> for the time sense will be absent
[20:16] <Ronnie> so i took that task on me. what steps should i take to become a (backup) loco contact
[20:16] <czajkowski> well have you contacted him to see what's up ?
[20:17] <Ronnie> czajkowski: yes, but we do not get response. hes very busy with his final months of his study
[20:18] <Ronnie> except from his last planet post, we didnt get any sign of living
[20:19] <YoBoY> Hi
[20:19] <Ronnie> i think he will be back in juli or august
[20:19] <czajkowski> it's very odd as I know sense is rather vocal and active 
[20:20] <czajkowski> we do encourage people if they cannot take part in a leadership role to step aside and let the team know 
[20:20] <Ronnie> czajkowski, yes, that was one of the reasons why we choose him as loco-contact
[20:20] <czajkowski> but if you're happy to have someone stand in and sense knows this is tempory it really is up to your team. 
[20:21] <Ronnie> our team needs a loco-contact atm, because we are in a big reorganize since (even before) the disapproval of ubuntu-nl
[20:22] <YoBoY> Craque idea who came reading the last bugs of loco directory, Can't we ask mail alias Like contact.ubuntu-CC@ubuntu.com pointing to the mail of the loco contact ?
[20:22] <YoBoY> Crazy
[20:23] <Ronnie> a lot has changed since then, and we have a few questions, therefore we like to have a loco-contact
[20:24] <Ronnie> sense will be informed about this. We use a team maillinglist where we discuss, and have a meeting once in 2 weeks
[20:25] <Ronnie> besides the fact that sense is absent for now, the team thinks that a backup-loco-contact is always a good idea
[20:25] <YoBoY> It's why we use a council
[20:26] <czajkowski> YoBoY: one thing at a time please
[20:26] <YoBoY> Sorry
[20:26] <czajkowski> Ronnie: perhaps mal sense and ask him to step aside until he is ready to come back 
[20:26] <Ronnie> YoBoY: we have a council too, but only one of the council is the loco-contact
[20:26] <czajkowski> having one step in and then step out doesn't really seeem like a good idea 
[20:27] <czajkowski> having a continious person in the role is better
[20:27] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct
[20:27] <Ronnie> continious is better indeed, but i acutally do not have time to be the loco-contact for a long time
[20:29] <czajkowski> I think the plans for the team were a bit technical and may not be suitable in the long run tbh 
[20:29] <czajkowski> but having no team contact is not good either 
[20:30] <YoBoY> There is a hierarchy in our council. In fact the loco contact is the president, but "official" mails can ne adressed to more that one peuple, you just want an answer rom the mame person each time
[20:31] <Ronnie> it it common for loco's to have multiple loco-contacts?
[20:31] <czajkowski> Ronnie: in some cases it seems to be 
[20:31] <czajkowski> no idea why 
[20:31] <czajkowski> defeats the purpose of a team contact 
[20:31] <czajkowski> YoBoY: lets not go down the route of the french team shall we 
[20:31]  * YoBoY want to trash his phone
[20:31] <czajkowski> I need huats here 
[20:38] <Ronnie> czajkowski: should i come back with this question another time?
[20:39] <czajkowski> Ronnie: nope was talking to YoBoY 2 conversations at once and only me here is confusing 
[20:40] <czajkowski> Ronnie: I suggest you mail sense and suggest stepping aside til he has full time to help 
[20:40] <paultag> Ronnie: it's totally normal and fine to have more then one contact, as long as there's one email (such as a mailing list)
[20:40] <Ronnie> czajkowski: oke, ill do that
[20:40] <paultag> also, pong :)
[20:40] <czajkowski> eh you pong mister! 
[20:41] <paultag> czajkowski: ♥ 
[20:42] <czajkowski> YoBoY: now whats wrong with you 
[20:42] <Ronnie> currently we use private mail for loco-contact, but ill discuss it with our council to change this into the council-mailinglist.
[20:43] <czajkowski> Ronnie: see I dont agree with private lists it is the oposite of open loco ness
[20:43] <czajkowski> and one of the reasons ye are unapproved 
[20:43] <czajkowski> hiding conversations doesnt help anyone 
[20:43] <Ronnie> the council-list is an open list to read
[20:43] <Ronnie> and everyone can subscibe to post on it
[20:44] <Ronnie> thats one of the big changes we made
[20:44] <Ronnie> also all the meetings are open to participate (at least the second part, the first part is read-only for non council)
[20:46] <Ronnie> i think having the communications with the loco-council on the mailinglist too instead of the private mail of the loco-contact is another step forwards
[20:58] <YoBoY> czajkowski: nothing wrong with me
[20:59] <YoBoY> I just suggested it should be great if loco teams have for the team contact an permanent email like contact.ubuntu-CC@ubuntu.com
[20:59] <YoBoY> sorry if I confused you
[20:59] <YoBoY> just add the idea and wanted to share
[21:00] <YoBoY> had
[21:00] <YoBoY> (sorry very bad english tonight...)
[21:03] <czajkowski> no just made no sense in the context of the conversation :) 
[21:06] <YoBoY> do you think this make sense to have email alias like that ?
[21:15] <czajkowski> nope 
[21:15] <czajkowski> I just want  team contacts email address
[21:15] <czajkowski> plain and simple 
[21:15] <czajkowski> can be their ubutu one 
[21:15] <czajkowski> gmail one 
[21:15] <czajkowski> what ever one they are going to read
[21:18] <YoBoY> it's not for you, I was more thinking about visitors, not everyone want to share his email with the world, having an alias helps. And if the loco contact change, the alias just point to another email, more convenient for the occasional visitor