[07:36] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:57] <dogmatic69> o/
[07:59] <DJones> Morning
[08:02] <DJones> AlanBell: Do you know if #ubuntu-accessibilty is the right channel to point a disabled person to who wants to ask some questions about facilities for disabled users
[08:09] <DJones> AlanBell: its ok, got the info & passed it on
[08:22] <AlanBell> DJones: it is
[08:22] <DJones> Thanks, that was my first thought anyway, & was confirmed when I looked at their website, passed the info on anyway
[08:23] <AlanBell> Pendulum is the accessibility team lead
[08:25] <DJones> Right, there was somebody asking about problems with certain key combo's in unity that were very helpful for them with a disability
[08:57] <force> HEllo
[08:57] <MooDoo> morning
[09:03] <popey> morning all
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:05] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:07] <popey> greetings mr calm
[09:07] <bigcalm> Howdy popey
[09:08] <bigcalm> Now I remember the down side to running Eclipse
[09:08] <bigcalm> My machine sounds as though I'm playing Mincecraft
[09:08] <bigcalm> Damn Java
[09:10] <AlanBell> Mincecraft sounds tasty
[09:10] <bigcalm> Hehe, oops
[09:10] <popey> unless it has a green plastic back poking out of it
[09:10] <bigcalm> Minecraft
[09:10] <popey> *bag
[09:11] <AlanBell> I still prefer to just use gedit rather than eclipse
[09:11] <popey> http://twitpic.com/3i6gfy
[09:12] <MooDoo> that reminds me not looked at the minecraft map in ages
[09:12]  * bigcalm shudders
[09:13] <MooDoo> not done your ant attack map yet then popey
[09:14] <popey> MooDoo: not finished yet
[09:15] <popey> whenever I go there I am reminded of the film I was watching at the time I made it
[09:15] <popey> Shallow Grave
[09:16] <bigcalm> Creepy
[09:16] <bigcalm> For some reason I never saw the whole film
[09:19] <diplo> I use netbeans, would prefer to use Gedit but I really like the project part of Netbeans
[09:20] <diplo> Only downside as bigcalm says is it kicks the fans in ALL the time :/
[09:20] <bigcalm> What I need from an IDE is the ability to view more than one file editor at the same time. Eclipse does this and is a resource hog. PhpEd is a better editor but doesn't do it
[09:20]  * MartijnVdS has several vim windows open
[09:21] <bigcalm> I need an IDE though that understands classes
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ctags + vim + magic-completion
[09:21] <daubers> Morning
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> uhr, "omni-completion" it's called
[09:22] <bigcalm> Eg, you start typing a class name and it suggest the full name. And further you do the classname plus :: and it offers public methods/variables/etc
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: yes, omni-completino
[09:22] <bigcalm> Hummmm
[09:22] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: ta, I'll look into it
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> it has plugins for most languages :)
[09:24] <daubers> Which IDE is this?
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> vim
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> (+ omni-completion)
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> (+ ctags)
[09:25] <daubers> Ahhhh
[09:26] <daubers> I went off vim once I realised my laptop was now more than powerful enough to run eclipse
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> My laptop is powerful enough to run eclipse. But I want to have a web browser open as well...
[09:27] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> With 6GB of RAM Eclipse is fine. I also usually have Hotot, Firefox, Chrome, Thunderbird and plenty of terminals open at the same time with no issues.
[09:29] <bigcalm> It still a resource hog and very slow to refresh projects over a network
[09:29] <bigcalm> Though that bit could have something to do with samba
[09:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh I have local workspace but use subversive and remote svn repo over ssh
[09:31] <daubers> I run eclipse on 4GB of RAM, all my projects are local though, and then pushed to remote places using bzr
[09:31] <bigcalm> Does eclipse have svn support yet or is it still limited to cvs?
[09:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> svn support is subversive
[09:31] <bigcalm> I see
[09:31] <bigcalm> Hummmm
[09:31] <daubers> There is a bzr plugin :)
[09:32] <diplo> bigcalm, netbeans supports SVN
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> there is aslo subclipse although I think that has been superseded by subversive
[09:32] <daubers> (though I tend to just have a bash terminal open in the bottom pane of eclipse and do it through there)
[09:32] <bigcalm> diplo: does netbeans work in windows?
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I need to get more familiar with bzr/git etc.
[09:32] <diplo> Yep, I run it on both windows and ubuntu
[09:32] <diplo> Same here TheOpenSourcerer
[09:32] <bigcalm> Hummmz
[09:32] <diplo> Going to move from SVN to BZR on our web apps
[09:34]  * daubers loves bzr
[09:35]  * daubers shoves the podcast on his mp3 player and goes to build some servers
[09:39]  * popey tickles aquarius 
[09:39] <popey>  _____     _     _             _
[09:39] <popey> |  ___| __(_) __| | __ _ _   _| |
[09:39] <popey> | |_ | '__| |/ _` |/ _` | | | | |
[09:39] <popey> |  _|| |  | | (_| | (_| | |_| |_|
[09:39] <popey> |_|  |_|  |_|\__,_|\__,_|\__, (_)
[09:39] <popey>                          |___/
[09:39] <AlanBell> kicking in the back seat
[09:39] <aquarius> .me is tickled
[09:40] <bigcalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI # best version
[09:42] <andylockran> Howdy
[09:42] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[09:43] <andylockran> All chance :)
[09:47] <krimzon2> yay friday
[09:48] <bigcalm> My hand is a dolphin :)
[09:48] <JamesTait> bigcalm: Have you been on the shrooms again?
[09:49] <bigcalm> JamesTait: bit early for that, might have a coffee though. Watch the youtube video I pasted
[09:49] <JamesTait> I can't be watching music videos when I'm supposed to be working. ;)
[09:50] <JamesTait> At least I'm not paying by the megabyte though.
[09:51] <JamesTait> And I'm not sure how I knew what that link was without clicking though. Maybe I have a youtube index stored in my brain.
[09:52] <bigcalm> JamesTait: in reference to 'Friday'
[09:52] <JamesTait> bigcalm: Oh yeah, I get it. :)
[10:03] <andylockran> eww. AlanBell that mince pie photo has just make me sicky..
[10:12] <popey> andylockran: you didnt eat it!
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:39] <bigcalm> Morning
[10:39] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:02] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[11:02] <Multivitamin> morn'n
[11:02] <BigRedS> is there a tool that's likely to be on most systems for converting month names into numbers? (not 'perl' or 'bash', I'm trying to optimise a one-liner)
[11:02] <davmor2> brobostigon: morning
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: morning prod
[11:03] <czajkowski> bleugh
[11:33] <kazade> morning all
[11:38] <brobostigon> same i915 gpu lockup as in natty, now in debian sid.
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if the drivers are buggy, you'll see it on every OS
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> uhr distro
[11:39] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i reckon they are.yes.
[11:39] <brobostigon> partly kms, and the intel drivers.
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: which chip do you have?
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> an "old" i915 or a new on-CPU one?
[11:40] <brobostigon> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[11:40] <brobostigon> old one.
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it might be an unfixable hardware thing
[11:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: maybe,
[12:00] <d3ngar> iknoia: that's just plain rude!
[12:00] <d3ngar> erm, wrong channel
[12:37] <windaub> lo
[12:38] <davmor2> morning kazade
[12:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> hah - real-time tweet-map using html canvas: http://n96.org/#lat=51,92*lon=-1,6*dist=355,08
[12:47]  * brobostigon is thinking about pulling xserver-xorg-video-intel from debian experimental, but very risky,
[12:52] <popey> nah, if it doesnt work, revert back
[12:53] <BigRedS> yeah. at worst you'll only break X
[12:54] <brobostigon> quite,yes, simpleenough,
[12:54] <brobostigon> let me compae the drivers.
[12:55] <brobostigon> problem solved,newest is in sid, which is the version i have,
[12:58] <brobostigon> interesting, the bytemark advert, on linuxjobs ML.
[13:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yay you're online Happy Friday!
[13:17] <Laney> I quite like reading 'X' as a kiss
[13:17]  * Laney winks at BigRedS
[13:19]  * BigRedS blushes
[13:19] <bigcalm> How sweet
[13:19] <AlanBell> get a room
[13:20] <BigRedS> We did, it's just that you're in it
[13:20] <BigRedS> you bunch of pervs :)
[13:20] <Laney> #ubuntu-voyeurs
[13:26] <oimon> anyone know why "mencoder -vf rotate=1 -oac pcm -ovc lavc VIDEO0046.3gp -o out.avi -fps 25 " on lucid comes out without audio?
[13:33]  * popey grrrs at the mailing list
[13:33] <popey> "What would be really good is to just brainstorm, get a bunch of ideas,
[13:33] <popey> NOT debate each one into the ground, just come up with ideas, the
[13:33] <popey> details can follow later."
[13:33] <popey> ffs
[13:34] <popey> thread ends up being long and winding and nobody then offers more suggestions
[13:34] <daubers> popey: Where'd you get that from?
[13:35] <popey> my first mail to the thread
[13:35] <BigRedS> I was just reading that thread
[13:35] <popey> I wanted to have a bunch of mails with ideas not people debating the minute detail of _one_ idea
[13:35] <BigRedS> I've a draft of "go to the pub more" minimized somewhere...
[13:35] <MattJ> popey: You really thought...
[13:35] <popey> send it
[13:35] <popey> yeah, stupidly
[13:35] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm trying to find it :)
[13:35] <MattJ> How long have you been on the internet now? :)
[13:36] <BigRedS> I conceded that it wasn't hard to rewrite
[13:38] <daubers> ping AlanBell
[13:38] <AlanBell> o/
[13:39] <bigcalm> Oh my
[13:39] <oimon> i know canonical don't really go in for advertising at this stage but maybe a loco could arrange for ubuntu adverts on the tube (paid for by sponsorship cash)
[13:39] <bigcalm> A client just phoned me to find out why their website wasn't available. After scratching my head, I tried the hosting company's website. That's not available either!
[13:40] <MattJ> Is their phone system available? :)
[13:40] <bigcalm> I doubt my support email request will have reached the relevent persons
[13:40] <bigcalm> I can't remember the number :)
[13:40] <bigcalm> Firstserv
[13:41] <MattJ> 0800 138 9220
[13:41] <MattJ> Thank the Google cache :)
[13:41] <bigcalm> And horay for twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/firstserv
[13:43] <AlanBell> oimon: go research the costings
[13:43] <oimon> i am already :0
[13:43] <oimon> :)
[13:44] <AlanBell> I suspect it will cost quite a bit, and you might struggle to put forward a convincing business case for sponsorship
[13:54] <oimon> AlanBell: tube panel cards are quite cheap , but may require a minimum spend which is not specified http://www.cbsoutdoor.co.uk/Our-Media/London-Underground/Tube-Car-Panels/?t=0
[13:55] <BigRedS> oimon: we need someone to make the advert, too :)
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> OT but a great post: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/dear_emma_b.php
[14:07] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: I like that :)
[14:09] <oimon> is the word liberal there supposed to be sarcastic or not? i can't figure it out
[14:14] <BigRedS> 'liberal' is one of those words that now means approximately everything
[14:14] <BigRedS> I've seen 'liberal authoritarians'
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> "Liberal" in American is a swear word, like "communist" or "socialist"
[14:15] <daubers> BigRedS: Yes, it does seem to be used a bit too liberally these days
[14:15] <oimon> most of the most spiteful and hate-filled people i know call themselves liberal
[14:16] <oimon> mind you, some countries called themselves the Peoples' Republic..and they aren't really either
[14:17] <oimon> so now when i see the word liberal as a self-penned description, i usually interpret that as "troll"
[14:17] <oimon> it helps filter the information
[14:17] <danfish> apparently we've a political party in the Uk called the "Liberal Democrats" - anyone heard of them :P
[14:19] <oimon> danfish: except they don't know what they stand for
[14:19] <AlanBell> !politics
[14:19] <lubotu3`> Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you!
[14:20] <danfish> !cake
[14:20] <hamitron> !cake!
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> !lies
[14:20] <lubotu3`> Mostly just statistics and factoids, but also windicators!
[14:20] <oimon> just finished some lovely cake
[14:20] <oimon> shared it among my colleagues of course
[14:20] <hamitron> I got no cake, just bread
[14:20] <hamitron> :/
[14:21] <danfish> please take cake-based discussion to ##ohwhatalovelycake ;)
[14:21] <hamitron> :D
[14:21] <daubers> I like cake :(
[14:21] <daubers> Also, cake is a very family friendly topic.
[14:22] <hamitron> at least, on the face of it....
[14:23] <danfish> Ok, we'll keep the cakes, but not fruitcake - that's just wrong
[14:23] <hamitron> but cake can be so much more
[14:23] <hamitron> ;)
[14:23] <daubers> But!! Fruitcake is amazing with a nice cuppa on a cold day
[14:23] <oimon> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=ubuntu%20cake
[14:23] <oimon> there, back on topic
[14:23] <daubers> I had a housemate who used to eat fruitcake with cheese
[14:23] <Guest96855> How can I verify that a CD I've just burned actually matches the original .iso file?
[14:23] <hamitron> daubers: that works :)
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> daubers: so he bit you? :P
[14:24] <daubers> MartijnVdS: .... no
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> daubers: .. sorry ;)
[14:24] <daubers> Guest96855: Have a look at md5
[14:24] <davmor2> Fantastic track "Wave your hands in the air like you don't care!" ....."Word up it's the code word".....ahhhhhh :)
[14:24] <oimon> actually i have a question - anyone else seeing slowness in chromium opening a site? not sure if it's at the dns resolution stage..i'm on a really fast link here
[14:24] <Guest96855> daubers, I can md5 the ISO .. but what about the CD?
[14:25] <daubers> Guest96855: You can md5 that too by running md5 over /dev/cdrom or whatever your dvd drive is
[14:25] <Guest96855> daubers, ah, ok.
[14:28] <bigcalm> Is there a server setting that might stop domain_path cookies from working between servers?
[14:29] <bigcalm> I meant cookie_domain
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: yes, by setting cookie_domain to only one server :)
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: i.e. the full hostname of one
[14:35] <bigcalm> I have cookie_domain set to ".example.com"
[14:35] <bigcalm> So that www. and assets. can both share the cookies
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: then everything in .example.com gets your cookie
[14:36] <bigcalm> It works locally, but not on live
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> try *.foo.com?
[14:36] <bigcalm> A client's asset server is a physically seperate machine
[14:36]  * bigcalm tries
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> wait.. no
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> the separate machine bit shuoldn't matter
[15:01] <bigcalm> Damn it. Cookie information is exactly the same between servers. Maybe it's a DB record issue
[15:02]  * bigcalm tinkers like the wind
[15:02] <AlanBell> top tip, don't tinkle upwind
[15:02] <bigcalm> :D
[15:02]  * bigcalm makes a note
[15:03] <bigcalm> Maybe it's time for an afternoon coffee
[15:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't tinkle in the wind do it in a toilet like the rest of us :D
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/theweaselking/main6/20c3e92a.jpg
[15:09] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: that guys just a show off
[15:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: don't you wish you could do that?
[15:11] <bigcalm> Not that I would want to touch the floor in a men's bog
[15:12] <BigRedS> anyone know what the premissions openssh actually wants for a chrooted sftp are? It's doing that wonderful thing of saying I've got them wrong, but not what they should be
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 ?
[15:17] <BigRedS> yeah, it wants more than just owned-by-root it seems
[15:18] <BigRedS> It's happy with the user being unable to write to the chroot dir
[15:18] <BigRedS> which seems normal, except I'm sure the user used to be able to write there...
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: yes, so the user can't drop a .ssh/authorized_keys
[15:19] <BigRedS> I *thought* it used the user's ~ for ssh bits and bobs for precisely that reason?
[15:19] <BigRedS> docs seem either to be scarce or to be hiding from me though
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> apt-get source... :)
[15:22] <BigRedS> yeah, that's rapidly looking like the simplest way :)
[15:22] <BigRedS> oh
[15:22] <BigRedS> it just worked
[15:22]  * BigRedS logs out 
[15:24] <BigRedS> still with no write access to the chroot dir, but I'm going to assume that's how it's expected to be
[15:26] <BigRedS> it was way easier when it was a right pain to set up and look after but still predictable when it failed...
[15:41] <davmor2> hey ebo ebo ebonettes
[15:41]  * MooDoo yawns, 
[15:46] <bigcalm> Is there a simple way of pushing changes in a svn repo out to multiple servers at the same time? I'm getting tired of SSHing into 3 machines, sudoing and svn upping
[15:46] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:46] <bigcalm> Poor emma
[15:47] <popey> my poor disk space
[15:47] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[15:47] <bigcalm> What does df -h say?
[15:48] <popey> /dev/sda1              30G   28G  989M  97% /
[15:48] <dogmatic69>  /dev/sda1             447G   30G  395G   7% /
[15:48]  * dogmatic69 wins
[15:49] <bigcalm> popey: 28GB of logs?
[15:49] <bigcalm> :P
[15:49] <BigRedS> logs in /?
[15:50] <popey> everything in /
[15:51] <MooDoo> well em is back in ubuntu-meeting :)
[15:52] <popey> not here tho
[15:52] <MooDoo> well no :)
[15:52]  * bigcalm naps on the kb
[15:52] <bigcalm> dddddddddddddddfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[16:10] <davmor2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo74Dn7W_pA enjoy
[16:15] <dogmatic69> lol
[16:15] <dogmatic69> in #cherokee
 ah. ty. I am running ff over ssh with X forwarding: the save button was blue on a blue background. I kind had missed it .... :P
[16:15] <dogmatic69> sounds like a production server...
[16:16] <dogmatic69> i thought i was bad, never needed to actually install the GUI though :D
[17:01] <danfish> CURRY
[17:03] <newboyintown> tuGood afternoon i need some help would anybody be able to help me please as i have just installed this sofeware and i have a problem?
[17:03] <danfish> !ask
[17:03] <lubotu3`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[17:03] <danfish> :)
[17:04] <newboyintown> like i said i am new to ubuntu......!!!!!!!
[17:04] <newboyintown> have a acer laptop model number (5736Z), running ubuntu 10.10, Update manager informed me that there is a upgrade to the latest stable version of 10.04 , I upgraded and the installation went like clockwork,until the laptop rebooted. The display is so dark that you can hardly see the screen.  I made the mistake of contacting acer and all they wanted to do is say that my laptop is faulty.....ACER YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU 
[17:05] <newboyintown> this laptop to talk to you now!!
[17:07] <X3N_> newboyintown: looks like a known issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10740136&postcount=3
[17:09] <newboyintown> thankyou X3N..
[17:09] <JGJones> Hmm...quick question ladies and gentlemen - I have a Sony VAIO laptop that I want to sell, but on the point of selling it now display a SMART message that the HDD is going to die on me. Do I either: a) buy a new HDD, reinstall Windows etc or b) just sell it with the message that the HDD is on its last legs - which would be better on eBay? thanks
[17:10] <X3N_> JGJones: I'd offer to replace the hdd or sell it with none
[17:11] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[17:12] <newboyintown> X3N thankt could you but could you explane what grub is?
[17:12] <newboyintown> thankyou^
[17:13] <X3N_> It's a small worm that is often used for fishing, but that's not important right now
[17:13] <X3N_> (It's a small program used to boot up the main operating system)
[17:14] <newboyintown> ok.....how do i use it to try and sort out my prob.......
[17:26] <Azelphur> how do I stop ssh always asking for the passphrase for .ssh/id_rsa?
[17:26] <Azelphur> I have the passphrase, I just don't want it to ask every time xD
[17:26] <shauno> JGJones, I'd be real wary of just stating on the auction that the drive is dying.  I've found in the past that buyers are illiterate, and paypal's on their side
[17:29] <chris99> Guest96855: something like: cmp thingy.iso /dev/cdrom       - may have to run it as root though
[17:33] <Azelphur> popey: TF2 is free now :o
[17:33] <popey> hah
[17:33] <Azelphur> it's madness, all my servers are completely full
[17:33] <Azelphur> 96 online right now...my servers kinda struggling haha
[17:34] <Azelphur> few people in the sourcemod channel whining that they can't take the load too, rofl
[17:34] <popey> is it free for the weekend or forever?
[17:34] <Azelphur> forever
[17:35] <bigcalm> O M G
[17:35] <bigcalm> There's a sequal to Alice
[17:35] <Azelphur> they make enough revenue off hats, so TF2 is free now xD
[17:35] <bigcalm> Somebody needs to hide my credit card from me
[17:35] <Azelphur> lol
[17:36] <bigcalm> Any of you play American McGee's Alice?
[17:36]  * davmor2 snaps bigcalm's cc into tiny ickle pieces
[17:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: erm, ta
[17:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: well hopefully now by the time the new one has arrived something shiney will of distracted you from looking at alice II
[17:48]  * BigRedS apologises to popey 
[17:55] <JGJones> Not just that, Valve make more than enough off Steam, they can afford to give away TF2 and also continue updating it :)
[17:56] <dwatkins> how about the hosting though?
[18:01] <popey> haha
[18:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have a jolly fine weekend all - it should be hot too!
[18:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Off to Cricket practice in a sec.
[18:01] <popey> ooo
[18:02] <popey> School ball for us tomorrow :D
[18:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Move away from your computers and go OUTSIDE for a change.
[18:02] <popey> yup
[18:02] <dwatkins> good calll, TheOpenSourcerer \
[18:02] <dwatkins> :)
[18:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Laterz.
[18:02] <popey> o/
[18:15] <Core_UK> sup
[18:17] <BigRedS> g'morning
[18:17] <czajkowski> popey: what's School ball ?
[18:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: it a ball at a school quite obvious when you think about it :D
[18:44]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 
[18:44]  * czajkowski goes back to studying 
[18:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: What you asked I told you,  it's probably just a dance at the school to raise funds for the school
[18:47]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[18:54] <davmor2> man Peter Falk has died bummer
[18:55] <zleap> who
[18:56] <brobostigon> the actor that played columbo, most famously.
[18:57] <davmor2> zleap: Princess Bribe story teller, columbo and others
[18:57] <davmor2> Bride even
[18:57] <zleap> ah
[18:57] <zleap> i know who you mean
[19:01] <davmor2> zleap: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-peter-falk-obit,0,7288457.story
[19:02] <JGJones> Burp...I'm drinking coke. Ubuntu Cola to be specific :D
[19:07] <JGJones> Fairtrade cola from www.ubuntu-trading.com - look like they use the Ubuntu font too for the Ubuntu logo...wondering about copyright or whatever for Ubuntu (the OS)?
[19:09] <popey> czajkowski: a piss up
[19:10] <davmor2> popey: let me guess raises money for the school and has dancing
[19:11] <popey> yes
[19:11] <davmor2> told you czajkowski
[19:11] <popey> all the girlies at the school in their prom gowns
[19:11] <popey> and all us dads getting drunk
[19:11] <popey> and the mums saying "don't they look lovely"
[19:11] <popey> etc etc
[19:11] <davmor2> popey: Hammered I think is the word you're after
[19:30] <windaub> lo
[19:31] <zleap> how do I get an event added to here http://ubuntu-uk.org/category/events/
[19:42] <czajkowski> zleap: one of the team admins;/contacts can add it for you
[19:42] <czajkowski> zleap: so ask AlanBell
[19:43] <zleap> ok thanks
[19:48] <AlanBell> o/
[19:48] <AlanBell> JGJones: they have been doing that for ages, I have had some
[20:05] <daubers> \o/ Star Trek
[20:05] <brobostigon> ?
[20:05] <zleap> star trek - where
[20:05] <brobostigon> ST 12 ?
[20:06] <daubers> DVD :) Just watched the most recent film
[20:06] <zleap> ok
[20:06] <brobostigon> ST 11,
[20:06] <brobostigon> a disaster, as a startrekfilm,
[20:07] <zleap> ah the prequel
[20:07] <brobostigon> yes.
[20:07] <brobostigon> allthat is ST  about it, is some St elements, and that is it,
[20:07] <brobostigon> otherwise it is simply a modern non trek action film.
[20:07] <zleap> problem with all the prequels like enterprise and the new film (not seen the new film) is that the ships look far far more advanced than the simplicty of the original series
[20:08] <brobostigon> zleap: and continuity goes out of the window.
[20:08] <zleap> yeah
[20:08] <zleap> like the star wars films
[20:08] <brobostigon> quite.
[20:09] <zleap> in fact star wars prequels leave big continuity errors
[20:09] <brobostigon> zleap: the wholeof ST 11, is a continuity error,
[20:09] <zleap> ah
[20:10] <zleap> they should really go sideways maybe make a film involving klingons or something
[20:10] <brobostigon> zleap: other than leonard nimoy appearing as spock,  as he was after TNG.
[20:10] <zleap> ah
[20:10] <zleap> Nimoy was in the tos
[20:10] <brobostigon> zleap: so contiuitly accurate, as he was in late tng.
[20:10] <zleap> original series
[20:10] <brobostigon> yes.
[20:10] <brobostigon> aswell.
[20:10] <zleap> oh yeah unification pt 1 and 2
[20:10] <zleap> i think
[20:11] <brobostigon> yes,
[20:11] <brobostigon> you are right,
[20:11] <zleap> that is kinda geeky but sad really eh
[20:11] <brobostigon> it isnt, it is just remembering information,
[20:11] <zleap> yeah
[20:12] <zleap> i remember doing something like that on the dclug channel for st voyager
[20:12] <zleap> describe an episode and i can name the episode
[20:12] <brobostigon> zleap: i hang out in #memory-alpha, :)
[20:12] <zleap> ohh is that a trek channel
[20:12] <brobostigon> yes.
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> only a little ;)
[20:12] <zleap> cool
[20:12] <brobostigon> :)
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> m-a was the star trek wiki before all those wikias existed
[20:13] <brobostigon> yep.
[20:13] <zleap> ah
[20:13] <zleap> i have the star trek fact files here
[20:13] <zleap> take up a whole shelf,  they are in the way but i don't want to give em away they cost enough
[20:13] <brobostigon> irl, people reckon i am a big ST geek/nerd.
[20:13] <zleap> yay
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: do you walk around in the suit etc.?
[20:14] <zleap> ok i admit going to a convention in 1997
[20:14] <daubers> I quite enjoyed it. It keeps with Rodenberry's original idea of an almost Utopian civilisation as a stark contrast to the fark natured side of the rest of the universe
[20:14] <daubers> and it's a lot of fun
[20:14] <zleap> or was it 98,
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> I have this on DVD: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120370/
[20:14] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have that in my cloethes drawer, it doescome out in-frequently. and not inpublic.
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ah, only when a lady is present ;)
[20:15] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: haha, :)
[20:15] <zleap> at conventions they have people dressed as everytrhing hirogen,  klingon, star fleet officers,  even got uniforms for babies
[20:15]  * daubers considers throwing on DS9
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Galaxy Quest!
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> BY GRABTHAR'S HAMMER!
[20:16] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I don't own that on DVD :( Keep meaning to pick it up
[20:16] <zleap> i like space balls, but that is a spoof of star wars
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> daubers: don't you have some sort of on-line movie rental service in the UK?
[20:16] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Probably, but as it's the end of the month, I have no money
[20:17]  * zleap also has a signed piccy of robert beltran :)
[20:17] <daubers> also, it's like £3 in the HMV sale occasionally, so that makes more sense to me!
[20:17] <gord> Martinp23, lovefilm, but its subscription based
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ah, St. Salaries' day is the 23rd here :)
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> (usually)
[20:17] <gord> MartijnVdS, ^^ even
[20:17] <zleap> what is st salaries day
[20:17] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Technically it's the last day of the month here, but as work uses the same bank as me, it's generally 3 days before :)
[20:18] <gord> new rule, if you sharethe first two letters with someone else, you should change nicks :(
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: it's a catholic holiday, celebrated every time your employer gives you money ;)
[20:18] <zleap> ah
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: (usually, St. Something's is once a year, this one is more often :))
[20:18] <zleap> as we were talking star trek i thought it may have been star trek salaries day lol
[20:19] <daubers> Could watch the Fifth Element instead of trek
[20:19]  * zleap = duh
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> I have that on DVD, VHS and Blu-Ray
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> though the Blu-Ray version is _BAD_
[20:19] <daubers> It's ace
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> (some scenes are 16:9, others 21:9 with frame counters at the top/bottom)
[20:19] <daubers> I do enjoy the occasional evening when the wifes out :)
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> special effects scenes are not colour-corrected
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> i.e. a bad blu-ray transfer
[20:20] <gord> of course it is
[20:20] <gord> its a sci-fi show
[20:20] <gord> first transfer is always terrible, so you can get everyone to buy it again later ;)
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> on-screen framecounters count as beyond terrible imho
[20:21] <zleap> brobostigon, do you have star trekkin (song) by the firm
[20:21] <gord> right yeah i would of taken it back
[20:21] <daubers> \o/ Kettle on, Fifth Element in the DVD player
[20:24] <brobostigon> zleap: i dont, no.
[20:30] <gord> \o/ pizza on, ghibli on the xbmc
[20:30] <daubers> Which ghibli?
[20:35] <czajkowski> gord: all set for a nice trip
[20:43] <gord> daubers, the cat returns
[20:43] <gord> czajkowski, nope not at all, i'll do all my stuff the night before as always ;)
[21:20] <ali1234> hamitron: eve incarna caused huge amounts of rage and now everyone is rioting in jita :)
[21:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: I caused a huge amount of rage in bukkit and got banned :D
[21:21] <ali1234> http://www.justin.tv/dnah_pmip#/w/1381128752
[21:22] <ali1234> Azelphur: they've pretty much shut down the whole economy of the game
[21:23] <Azelphur> haha
[21:23] <Adriannom> anyone like using gedit for coding?
[21:23] <ali1234> yes i do
[21:23] <Azelphur> Adriannom: yea
[21:23] <ali1234> gedit is great
[21:23] <Adriannom> agreed
[21:23] <Azelphur> using it right now
[21:23] <Azelphur> :)
[21:23] <ali1234> the only thing it can't handle is files with really long lines
[21:24] <Azelphur> indeed, I've bumped into that
[21:24] <Adriannom> http://www.fossfactory.org/project/p286 <-- if you think it's a good idea do chuck some $ into the bounty :)
[21:24] <Azelphur> I've also bumped into a weird issue where my cursor is in one place, and when I paste, it'll paste somewhere else totally random in the document
[21:24] <Adriannom> the link is for Super Git Senses (Gedit Plugin).  shame that's not in the url
[21:29]  * BigRedS wonders if there's a vi plugin for gedit
[21:29] <BigRedS> if there is, I want that
[21:29] <BigRedS> too
[21:31] <popey> my cat is on twitter
[21:32] <popey> http://twitter.com/salempope
[21:32] <Adriannom> i won't be claiming the bounty, i don't code in python, just want it to happen
[21:32] <Adriannom> good grammar for a car
[21:32] <Adriannom> a car or a cat
[21:32] <Adriannom> both have terrible grammar in my experience :|
[21:33] <ali1234> wait, i can write it in python? how much is the bounty?
[21:33] <Adriannom> so far $14
[21:34] <ali1234> :/
[21:34] <Adriannom> ;)
[21:34] <Adriannom> but if it's not a stupid idea maybe people will contribute
[21:34] <ali1234> seems reasonable
[21:34] <Adriannom> if they're not too lazy :o
[21:35] <Adriannom> everyone who uses git & gedit should throw at least $2 at it right now! :P
[21:36] <ali1234> how do i send monies?
[21:36] <Adriannom> Sign up, it's pretty painless
[21:36] <Adriannom> i think i'll put a comment to that effect on it actually
[21:37] <ali1234> then what?
[21:38] <Adriannom> looking
[21:38] <Adriannom> "sponsor this project"
[21:38] <ali1234> i dont have paypal
[21:41] <Adriannom> there's another option
[21:41] <Adriannom> "Pay with your debit or credit card as a PayPal guest"
[21:42] <Adriannom> that's on the paypal website after you say how much you want to sponsor
[21:43] <Adriannom> i'm new to the site myself, it could be more user friendly
[21:43] <Adriannom> seems like a noble idea though, dunno why there aren't any alternatives
[21:45] <zleap> can someone explain why a webcam can work properly with cheese then closing cheese and trying to use the same webcam with skype fails
[21:46] <zleap> or even loading cheese up while skype is running results in cheese + webcam working fine
[21:46] <zleap> and yes both configs are pointing to /dev/video0
[21:46] <zleap> or seem to be
[21:58] <Adriannom> ali1234, $16.58 :)
[22:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Making contact with Team contacts should be easy - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/06/24/making-contact-with-team-contacts-should-be-easy/
[22:13] <kvarley> How can I run a command in a new terminal window and then keep it open? This: gnome-terminal --command="echo Hello World!" Runs the command but immediately exists
[22:13] <popey> blimey, hard blog post
[22:14] <zleap> kvarley, i think you can put a & at the end and it runs in the background
[22:14] <zleap> then use fg to bring it to the fore ground
[22:15] <kvarley> So gnome-terminal --command="echo Hello World!" &
[22:15] <kvarley> Then from the terminal I  type fg?
[22:15] <zleap> i think it needs to be run inside a terminal
[22:16] <BigRedS> xterm has a --hold option that'd do that
[22:16] <BigRedS> xterm --hold -c "command"
[22:16] <zleap> thanks BigRedS
[22:16] <BigRedS> and it'll run command then leave you with an open xterm window
[22:17] <BigRedS> oh
[22:17] <BigRedS> I just tested it and it didn't work :(
[22:17] <zleap> hmm
[22:18] <BigRedS> oh
[22:18] <zleap> if you do joe & in a xterm it works
[22:18] <BigRedS> -e "command"
[22:18] <BigRedS> not -c
[22:18] <zleap> then type fg joe it brings it to the foreground
[22:19] <BigRedS> I think, though, that with -hold you do lose the terminal when the command finishes, just not the window
[22:19] <kvarley> I'm trying to do this cos the gedit script plugin doesn't show terminal output until after the script terminates, is there a way to fix that?
[22:19] <BigRedS> so you get the (end of) the output but no way to interact with it
[22:20] <BigRedS> er, not sure without faffing with the plugin myself. is the problem that the script runs, produces a bunch of output and then immediately exits?
[22:20] <BigRedS> just running it from a terminal should mean you can stilll see all the output in that instance
[22:21] <kvarley> Well with gedit I tell it to run the current file with python, it does it fine but it doesn't show any output until I close the gui and then it terminates and then I see the output
[22:21] <BigRedS> ahh
[22:21] <BigRedS> hmm
[22:21] <zleap> i am off,  chat later all thanks 4 your help tonigt
[22:29] <BigRedS> kvarley: I'd expect there to be a setting in gedit to not close the terminal
[22:33] <kvarley> Another question lol
[22:33] <kvarley> How can I execute a file in ~/directory/
[22:33] <richard> hi
[22:34] <Guest35183> i have a challenge, every time i start firefox it default to a proxy connection
[22:34] <Guest35183> any idea why??
[22:35] <BigRedS> kvarley: ~/directory/somefile
[22:35] <BigRedS> just give the shell the path to it
[22:35] <BigRedS> Guest35183: at a guess, it's broken your profile
[22:35] <BigRedS> try creating a second profile and seeing if it still does the seame?
[22:36] <Guest35183> how do i do that??
[22:36] <BigRedS> Gnome has a DE-wide proxy setting which used to break most apps that aren't native gnome
[22:36] <BigRedS> Guest35183: alt+f2 to get a run command thingy
[22:36] <BigRedS> then    firefox -ProfileManager
[22:36] <BigRedS> in it and hit enter, you'll get the option to create a new one
[22:37] <Guest35183> ok this is what it connect through
[22:37] <BigRedS> uncheck the 'don't ask at startup' box else you'll need to do that again to go back to the old profile
[22:37] <Guest35183> abine://auto-conf.js
[22:38] <Guest35183> how do i get rid of  abine://auto-conf.js
[22:39] <BigRedS> ooh, not sure what that is
[22:39] <Azelphur> is there anything like top for networking?
[22:39] <BigRedS> ahhh
[22:39] <BigRedS> abine is a firefox add on for privacy
[22:39] <BigRedS> so perhaps tor-like?
[22:40] <Guest35183> it is what in the automatic config proxy url
[22:40] <BigRedS> Azelphur: per-process? or just general usage?
[22:40] <Azelphur> either would be good
[22:40] <BigRedS> Guest35183: try disabling that plugin. do you want it?
[22:40] <Azelphur> just curious to see how much bandwith my servers using right now under 100% load :P
[22:40] <Guest35183> yes i had tor, but i uninstalled it
[22:40] <BigRedS> Guest35183: Ah, this might be a remnant
[22:40] <Guest35183> meaning
[22:40] <BigRedS> Azelphur: iptraf?
[22:41] <Guest35183> how do i get rid of it
[22:41] <BigRedS> Er, tools->add ons in firefox
[22:41] <BigRedS> and then click 'disable'
[22:41] <Guest35183> ER?
[22:41] <BigRedS> ignore that bit
[22:42] <Guest35183> ok let me paste in the bin so you can see what i have as extension
[22:43] <Guest35183> what is the paste bin url
[22:43] <BigRedS> Azelphur: i've just remembered the cryptically-named 'ntop' :)
[22:43] <Azelphur> fun
[22:45] <popey> Azelphur: iftop
[22:46] <Azelphur> my servers using 11mbit flat out
[22:46] <Azelphur> for the past 14 hours :o
[22:46] <popey> nic
[22:46] <popey> +e
[22:46] <Guest35183> bigreds  how do i paste a screenshot in the ubuntu pastebin
[22:47] <popey> Guest35183: imgur.com is useful for that
[22:47] <popey> bed
[22:47] <popey> nn
[22:47] <BigRedS> Azelphur: there's another handy one I saw the other day, but I can't find it now
[22:47] <BigRedS> Shows a scrolling graph
[22:48] <BigRedS> Guest35183: sorry, I was just typing when popey replied :)
[22:48] <ali1234> Adriannom: i won't use paypal, not even as a guest
[22:49] <Guest35183> ok thank you here it is http://i.imgur.com/jgnFvl.jpg
[22:50] <Guest35183> as you can seethere is nothing such as proxy addon
[22:50] <BigRedS> Guest35183: hm, not sure
[22:51] <BigRedS> It's possible that it's a component of one of those plugins, or that something went wrong in the removal of the plugin and it's left that default behind somewhere
[22:51] <BigRedS> I'm not sure how to fix it further, though
[22:51] <BigRedS> Azelphur: ethstatus was the one I saw
[22:51] <BigRedS> It's likely not what you want, but I've now remembered to install it where I wanted to, cheers! :)
[22:54] <Guest35183> thk you
[22:55] <BigRedS> Guest35183: it may be worth trying here again when the channel's a bit busier - it is 11pm UK time :)
[22:57] <hamitron> ali1234: riot?
[22:57] <hamitron> :D
[23:02] <Adriannom> ali1234, that's fair :) i guess a comment would still be worth something, if you wanted to contribute anyway.  activity is always good
[23:03] <BigRedS> even if it's just "please support $paypalAlternative"
[23:03] <Adriannom> when i have less to do i think i'll make a better open source bounty site
[23:03] <BigRedS> it's open sauce - contribute to that one! :)
[23:04] <Adriannom> could do, i think i'll suggest they implement google checkout
[23:07] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well everyone.
[23:08] <Adriannom> nn
[23:08] <brobostigon> good nigiht Adriannom
[23:08] <Adriannom> there... http://www.fossfactory.org/project/p145 :)
[23:16] <ali1234> hamitron: well as close to a riot as you can get with spaceships
[23:16] <ali1234> they're clogging all the tradehubs and attacking the stations
[23:21] <exobuzz> AlanBell, interesting discussion on the podcast regarding accessibility. perhaps as you are connected with the accessibility stuff, you could find out whether https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/mousetweaks/+bug/762806 is likely to be actioned soon? it is a simple fix, and it seems strange that 2 months after release, all mouse accessibility is still broken :(
[23:21] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 762806 in mousetweaks (Ubuntu Natty) "[regression] shipped mousetweaks (3.0) does not work with shipped control-center (2.32), needs downgrade" [High,Triaged]
[23:22] <hamitron> ali1234: you can destroy empire space stations now?
[23:22] <hamitron> :D
[23:22] <hamitron> god damn
[23:22] <hamitron> a riot sounds like my sorta thing
[23:22] <hamitron> :/
[23:24]  * AlanBell looks at the bug
[23:25] <exobuzz> AlanBell, ta
[23:28] <AlanBell> exobuzz: ok, confirmed here too
[23:29] <AlanBell> exobuzz: ok, that is a bit of a mess isn't it
[23:29] <exobuzz> yeh
[23:30] <AlanBell> I doubt upgrading control-center is a safe thing to do
[23:30] <AlanBell> I have no idea if it is even possible to roll out a downgrade
[23:31] <ali1234> hamitron: no, they're just attacking it pointlessly
[23:31] <AlanBell> I don't think I agree with your statement that it is a simple fix
[23:31] <hamitron> :/
[23:33] <exobuzz> AlanBell, sorry i crashed.
[23:33] <exobuzz> AlanBell, the easiest fix is to downgrade mousetweaks to gnome 2.x version (it will have to have a fake version number like 3.0.0+really2.3. or something i guess)
[23:33] <AlanBell> yeah, that is nasty
[23:34] <exobuzz> AlanBell, but temporary
[23:34] <exobuzz> until next ubuntu
[23:40] <AlanBell> oneiric has 3.1.2-0ubuntu1
[23:43] <AlanBell> Gerd and Francesco are the Gnome maintainers and have commented on the bug
[23:45] <AlanBell> exobuzz: I would add the suggestion of uploading it with a fake version number and see what they say to that
[23:46] <exobuzz> k thanks