[00:00] <linuxman410> cyberanger was that wheezy u showed me a screenshot of other day
[00:00] <cyberanger> linuxman410: I've got my whole drive encrypted (minus /boot which cannot be encrypted, hence it's on a usb key I keep with me at all times)
[00:01] <cyberanger> rules out software keyloggers instantly that way, however hw is a possibility still)
[00:05] <linuxman410> cyberanger what are u running right now
[00:05] <linuxman410> ubuntu or debian
[00:07] <cyberanger> linuxman410: on what system, I'm running both and centos (and others) if you count every system
[00:07] <wrst> hey hey
[00:07]  * cyberanger hates centos but between cpanel and work, I have little say in the matter
[00:08] <cyberanger> wrst: hey it's fat albert
[00:08] <cyberanger> ;-)
[00:08] <wrst> ha ha
[00:08] <wrst> atleast it isn't windows server cyberanger
[00:08] <linuxman410> cyberanger have you ever heard of quantos suppose to be the most secure linux distro
[00:09]  * cyberanger wonders if he somehow dated himself, realizes that show is older than him (like the majority of MacGyver Episodes I still like)
[00:09] <cyberanger> wrst: true true, cpanel doesn't run on windows :-)
[00:10] <cyberanger> linuxman410: lemme think
[00:11] <linuxman410> cyberanger go do distrowatch and scroll down
[00:11] <linuxman410> to
[00:11] <cyberanger> linuxman410: didn't need to, just had to think for a second
[00:12] <cyberanger> sandboxes every app, includes tor
[00:12] <linuxman410> cyberanger have you ever tried it
[00:12] <cyberanger> based on linux mint, and if I recall, uses XFCE
[00:12] <cyberanger> no, for a few reasons
[00:12] <linuxman410> cyberanger and
[00:13] <cyberanger> I prefer XFCE and I install tor by default
[00:13] <cyberanger> and I find if it needs that level of sandboxing, somebody will defeat it anyhow
[00:14] <cyberanger> (I've not seen a truely secure sandbox yet, hence why I say that)
[00:14] <cyberanger> and a long time ago, I learned the second you have no clue what's going on, your security is gone
[00:15] <Unit193> SELinux?
[00:15] <Unit193> cyberanger: I remember that the DSL and Internet lights are off the modem when it has issues so I wouldn't think Router
[00:15] <cyberanger> (I may use it at some point, but what it does seems a small difference than others that have intresting changes, vs what's nearly stock)
[00:17] <cyberanger> Unit193: I've seen more AppArmor actually (even on military setups, despite the NSA's role in both SELinux and the military, however they've had roles in alot of stuff, I bet AppArmor too)
[00:17] <cyberanger> Unit193: so a line issue or modem issue (makes some sense, unfortunately)
[00:17] <Unit193> Bodhizazen is supposed to be very good at that
[00:18] <cyberanger> linuxman410: I've seen alot of XFCE setups, just don't like XFCE, kinda a pushoff
[00:18] <Unit193> cyberanger: Zyxel 660c (Or something like that... I'm all going from memory here)
[00:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger so u only like openbox
[00:19] <cyberanger> Unit193: the DSL modem, sounds likely
[00:20] <cyberanger> linuxman410: well, I really favor it, and I've found XFCE grow a bit, I like LXDE for an example, Enlightenment for another
[00:20] <Unit193> cyberanger: From what I remember, the line may not have been done the best. Thanks for the pointers (Seems like I can't do anything about this)
[00:20] <cyberanger> but my personal favorable one is Openbox, followed by LXDE
[00:21] <linuxman410> cyberanger is widowmaker still going
[00:21] <Unit193> cyberanger: Tried Lubuntu? (Or BodhiLinux for E?
[00:21] <cyberanger> Unit193: perhaps the line, but if that modem is right, I've heard some stories on it, kinda a concern)
[00:22] <Unit193> cyberanger: You don't need to register your MAC with them correct? I have a Zoom ADSL modem....
[00:22] <linuxman410> unit193 i tried Bodhilinux and did not like it but i love lubuntu
[00:23] <cyberanger> linuxman410: widomaker?
[00:23] <linuxman410> cyberanger you never heard of it
[00:23] <cyberanger> Unit193: for DSL, provided your provider isn't doing something unusual, and your settings are right
[00:24]  * wrst plays with kde again
[00:24] <cyberanger> linuxman410: I don't recall it at least, not by name
[00:24] <cyberanger> Unit193: then your PPPoE should be enough
[00:24] <Unit193> cyberanger: I may have to try it so I can remote in and mess with things remotely
[00:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger here is link http://windowmaker.info/imageview.php?cat=big&id=49
[00:26] <cyberanger> linuxman410: ok, I've either heard of it, or some sort of clone
[00:26] <cyberanger> didn't recognize the name
[00:26] <linuxman410> ok
[00:29] <cyberanger> he seems to always have the shortest goodbyes
[00:29] <cyberanger> but on longer than usual
[00:30] <wrst> cyberanger: i just noticed I have firefox 5??
[00:30] <wrst> didn't 4 just come out?
[00:31] <cyberanger> wrst: depends, are you fetching from testing
[00:31] <wrst> I'm on arch cyberanger
[00:31] <Unit193> wrst: They started calling security fixes major numbers
[00:31] <cyberanger> and fetching beta, or
[00:31] <wrst> but thought that it was beta?
[00:31] <cyberanger> Unit193: really, that's dumb
[00:31] <Unit193> It's fully out
[00:31] <wrst> cyberanger: generally arch doesn't get something until out of beta for example it still has grub not grub 2
[00:31] <Unit193> cyberanger: Following Chrome
[00:31] <wrst> ahh Unit193 that's why
[00:32] <cyberanger> Unit193: so, if I build something crappy, with enough bugs, and fix them, I can make it look like I did something useful by having a version 11 in under a year
[00:32] <cyberanger> shame on chrome too then
[00:33] <wrst> Unit193: so that means we shoudl be on about windows 1,563 or so?
[00:34] <Unit193> Don't look at me, I hate this style too...
[00:34] <cyberanger> wrst: June 21st, 2011 it hit release channels (and a day or so for our repos)
[00:34] <Unit193> wrst: Only 1,563?
[00:34] <wrst> Unit193: ok add what 6 zeros? :)
[00:34] <wrst> cyberanger: makes sense, that's something I love about arch :)
[00:34] <cyberanger> Unit193: I'm not looking at you, as much as telling everyone how I feel
[00:34] <Unit193> And kernel update to 3.0?
[00:35] <cyberanger> wrst: eh, 8 to be safe
[00:35] <wrst> ok works for me :)
[00:35] <cyberanger> wait, safe and Windows, D'Oh
[00:35] <Unit193> Have you seen the changlog?
[00:35] <cyberanger> Unit193: which changelog
[00:36] <Unit193> cyberanger: FF5 (Or FF4.0.1)
[00:36] <cyberanger> yeah, it does seem needed, as an update
[00:43] <Unit193> I want to put my Intel processor in my AMD socket :(
[00:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: Bodhizazen is supposed to be good at what?
[00:43] <cyberanger> Unit193: no good, sorry, that won't go
[00:44] <Unit193> AppArmor and making servers hardend
[00:44] <Unit193> cyberanger: I know, hence the sadface :(
[00:46] <cyberanger> Unit193: yeah, he's really good for somebody that says he is non-IT, he really suprises
[00:46] <Unit193> cyberanger: You know him?
[00:47] <cyberanger> leads the beginners forum section, works on Zenix, has a lot to say on security
[00:47]  * Unit193 was/is a tester of Zenix and forum mod
[00:47] <cyberanger> leads the Montana team
[00:47] <cyberanger> (or at least did)
[00:48] <cyberanger> I know him the same way you know me, I suppose
[00:48] <cyberanger> IRC, mailing lists, the forum
[00:48] <cyberanger> I cannot say for any certainty I've met him
[00:49] <cyberanger> think he managed the Buddist Edition, or had some involvement at least
[00:49] <cyberanger> Unit193: was or is, like, did you stop at some point
[00:50] <Unit193> It's been released, don't need to test
[00:50] <Unit193> He put Awesome window mgr in (Fun to play with)
[00:53] <cyberanger> yeah, but some always test until an alpha is out, looking for bugs
[00:53] <cyberanger> I don't get that myself, but I guess that's some peoples persistance
[01:01] <linuxman410> cyberanger u hewre
[01:02] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[01:02] <wrst> linuxman410: wb
[01:03] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorta here
[01:03] <linuxman410> wrst i tried to install wheezy net install and it would not install
[01:03] <cyberanger> linuxman410: what snagged
[01:04] <linuxman410> cyberanger it said no kernel modules found
[01:04] <wrst> linuxman410: i changed my sources to wheezy i think that didnt work so well i havent booted back sense
[01:05] <linuxman410> cyberanger how do i install intel 2200 firmware from command line
[01:06] <cyberanger> linuxman410: you are installed, or you need to install?
[01:06] <linuxman410> in debian 6
[01:06] <cyberanger> wrst: that should not be possible, what did you do
[01:07] <wrst> i dont know that is how you upgrade?
[01:07] <cyberanger> linuxman410: so you've installed squeeze then
[01:07] <linuxman410> cyberanger i am installing debian 6 but i need firmware for wireless
[01:07]  * wrst plans on reinstallin debian
[01:07] <linuxman410> cyberanger how do i install from commandline
[01:07] <cyberanger> wrst: did you edit your sources.list, run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, or sudo apt-get upgrade (this is where that difference sorta matters more)
[01:08] <wrst> i did dist-upgrade
[01:09] <cyberanger> linuxman410: is it a netinstall again?
[01:09] <linuxman410> yes
[01:10] <linuxman410> cyberanger it asked me on install if i had disk with firmware
[01:14] <wrst> cyberanger: dist-upgrade is correct there?
[01:14] <wrst> and cyberanger i had done lots of messing around so no telling what i did
[01:15] <linuxman410> cyberanger did you find out how to install firmware from commandline
[02:13] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorry, just finished locking up work
[02:13] <linuxman410> ok
[02:13] <cyberanger> wrst: normally yes, idk about your case
[02:14] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yeah, it cut the outgoing connections as I left too, so I couldn't really reply
[02:14] <cyberanger> lemme see
[02:14] <wrst> cyberanger: I suspect I contributed to some issue :)
[02:15] <linuxman410> cyberanger i tried to do netinstall of wheezy but it said no kernel modules found
[02:17] <cyberanger> linuxman410: for your wifi card, yes?
[02:19] <cyberanger> or just "no kernel modules"
[02:19] <cyberanger> did it ask to load additional firmware?
[02:19] <linuxman410> cyberanger it says no kernel modules when i try to do netinstall how do i fix that
[02:20] <cyberanger> never asked to load additional firmware?
[02:20] <cyberanger> if yes, then your disc sounds bad
[02:20] <linuxman410> wheezy ask for kernel modules says it can not find none
[02:22] <linuxman410> cyberanger i have the netinstall with firmware
[02:22] <cyberanger> linuxman410: it did ask though,
[02:23] <linuxman410> cyberanger no not the firmware addition just debian 6 without firmware
[02:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger it stopped right now and says no kernel modules were found that is as far as it gets it does not ask about network it does not get that far
[02:25] <linuxman410> cyberanger what do i do
[02:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger do i continue without kernel modules it gives me that option
[02:26] <linuxman410> cyberanger u still here
[02:28] <linuxman410> cyberanger u getting my messages
[02:39] <cyberanger> linuxman410: sorry, busy day, lemme catch up real quick
[02:39] <cyberanger> linuxman410: so it didn't get far enough to ask anything, that sounds like the disc is bad
[02:43] <linuxman410> cyberanger a bad iso
[02:47] <cyberanger> linuxman410: that's equally possible
[02:47] <cyberanger> (I presumed you checked the iso though, but yeah, disc, iso or both)
[02:47] <linuxman410> i got the link from a guy at debian
[02:48] <cyberanger> linuxman410: did he give you an md5sum or something to check the download though?
[02:48] <cyberanger> and was the link to a debian server?
[02:48] <linuxman410> no
[02:49] <linuxman410> yes
[02:49] <cyberanger> so it could be corrupt, but unlikely the iso on the server is bad
[02:50] <linuxman410> cyberanger what happens if i tell it to continue anyway
[02:51] <cyberanger> linuxman410: wait, what do you mean, tell it to continue anyway?
[02:51] <cyberanger> what's the link to the iso you fetched
[02:51] <cyberanger> ?
[02:51] <linuxman410> cyberanger without installing kernel modules
[02:52] <cyberanger> I thought you said it had a kernel issue, it's asking something?
[02:52] <cyberanger> you said it hadn't asked you anything earlier
[02:53] <linuxman410> cyberanger it says no kernel modules found continue any way yes or no
[02:55] <linuxman410> cyberanger what do you think about archbang
[02:59] <linuxman410> cyberanger what about porteous
[03:42] <wrst> linuxman410: i've tried chakra before not the same thing but an arch based distro
[03:42] <wrst> i think just installing arch is the best route really
[04:01] <vychune> o/
[04:04] <Unit193> That was quick
[04:06] <linuxman410> wrst i want to find something new that is going to be around for a while
[04:06] <linuxman410> wrst i am using scientific linux
[07:20] <cyberanger> woot, chris4585 is heading to TN for a week (and aperently having channel issues, couldn't join)
[07:21] <Unit193> Nice, are you going to really see him?
[07:23] <cyberanger> idk, he quit before a reply
[07:23] <cyberanger> he's from the area, suppose it's possible
[07:23] <cyberanger> if something can be planned, it can be carried out
[07:25] <Unit193> I wasn't sure if you guys meet up much :/
[07:26] <cyberanger> Unit193: big state, and he's not been living in it for a couple of years I think, makes it harder ;-)
[07:26] <cyberanger> and no, we don't really, two of us here, one there, maybe 4 in memphis, hours apart
[07:27] <cyberanger> I'm an hour and a half from the next active (defined by how often their in IRC (since all meetings are in IRC)) Member
[07:28] <cyberanger> and he's about an Hour from the next active member, so on
[07:28] <cyberanger> nobody really is close enough for a lunchbreak meeting, and that makes it a bit hard
[07:28] <Unit193> I can see that...
[07:29] <cyberanger> anyone can step away for 5 minutes and get on IRC without upsetting family, enjoy a chat while at lunch
[07:29] <Unit193> Not many meeting I take it? Do you use MootBot much?
[07:30] <cyberanger> heck, I miss out on the Lug's lunches, 45 minutes away in Downtown Chattanooga (vs Cleveland, TN) and idk of any lug member in this area
[07:30] <cyberanger> once a month
[07:30] <cyberanger> first thursday at 8:30 EDT
[07:30] <cyberanger> fire up MootBot for it
[07:32] <Unit193> I looked at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TennesseeTeam/MootBot not /Meeting
[07:33] <cyberanger> lol, that'd do it
[14:06] <Xpistos> Morning
[15:26] <wrst> morning Xpistos
[16:18] <Xpistos> hey wrst
[16:33] <wrst> how you doing Xpistos?
[16:33] <Xpistos> working on my database today
[21:16] <Unit193> cyberanger: Belkin F5D8233-4v3(01) EQ660R modem (Zyxel rebranded)
[21:31] <Unit193> That is the info on the two devices (Modem uses DHCP)
[21:44] <cyberanger> Unit193: DSL Modem using DHCP, oh brother
[21:47] <Unit193> cyberanger: Yeah... As far as I can tell, I can't replave it with the Zoom
[21:48] <cyberanger> replave it, cool
[21:49] <Unit193> Would you rather I replace it?
[21:49] <cyberanger> no, I'd rather take it out back, shoot it, throw it in a woodchipper, and then replace it
[21:57] <cyberanger> Unit193: A modem is a Modem, I hate these dual modem router designs
[21:57] <cyberanger> hence the brutalitaly
[21:58]  * Unit193 set it to bridge mode
[21:58] <Unit193> It's just a modem now!
[22:00] <cyberanger> Unit193: ok, well, then just threaten it when it fails