[07:23] <Fishers> they think im connecting from proxy in #ubuntu
[07:23] <Fishers> arg
[07:24] <holstein> they?
[07:25] <holstein> Fishers: whats up?
[07:25] <Fishers> im on comcast an they think im on a proxy'
[07:25] <Fishers> lol
[07:25] <holstein> is that a problem?
[07:26] <Fishers> anyhow, i read out to enable desktop cube with unity an it broke my unity
[07:26] <Fishers> i tried restore commands, reinstalled unity no luck
[07:26] <holstein> ubuntustudio doesnt use unity
[07:27] <Fishers> gnome 2 or 3?
[07:27] <holstein> i usually suggest *not* using compiz when doing multimedia anyways
[07:27] <holstein> we have gnome 2 right now
[07:27] <Fishers> o
[07:27] <holstein> then, next cycle go to XFCE
[07:27] <Fishers> i see
[07:28] <holstein> AFAIK, you cant do much customization yet with unity
[07:28] <Fishers> whats the freenode oper help chan
[07:28] <holstein>  #freenode ??
[07:28] <Fishers> with comfity you can actually
[07:28] <Fishers> o ty
[07:28] <holstein> what im suggesting is
[07:28] <holstein> if you wait a cycle of 2
[07:28] <holstein> you'll be able to do it
[07:29] <holstein> without hacking
[07:29] <holstein> stable
[07:29] <holstein> and easy
[07:29] <Fishers> yea it will be backported or whatever
[07:29] <holstein> i mean, why spend a lot of time tweaking unity to look like gnome 2
[07:29] <holstein> when gnome 2 is still around
[07:29] <Fishers> i dont
[07:30] <Fishers> also, i still can run gnome-panel with unity
[07:30] <holstein> sure, and again.. why?
[07:30] <holstein> why not just run gnome?
[07:31] <Fishers> could with ubuntu classic mode login
[07:31] <holstein> right
[07:31] <holstein> thats gnome*
[07:31] <holstein> gnome2 pretty much
[07:31] <Fishers> but i got the best of both
[07:32] <Fishers> but really i think gnom 3 is comming for 11.10
[07:32] <holstein> you dont have to think
[07:32] <Fishers> is?
[07:32] <holstein> gnome2 is out, and gnome3 is replacing it
[07:32] <holstein> unity will still be default though
[07:32] <Fishers> will be able to login with either unity or gnome3
[07:33] <holstein> Fishers: unity will be default
[07:33] <holstein> you can always install gnome3
[07:33] <Fishers> y
[07:33] <holstein> and select at login
[07:33] <Fishers> 3 breaks unity, but in the  next release it wont prob
[07:33] <holstein> yeah, its not going to be probably
[07:34] <holstein> they'll sort all that out
[07:34] <holstein> gnome3 will be in the repos
[07:34] <holstein> gnome2 is gone
[07:34] <Fishers> y
[07:34] <Fishers> am not
[07:34] <Fishers> wrong chan
[10:41] <Fouko> hello
[10:43] <AutoStatic> Hello Fouko
[10:44] <Fouko> i work today with Adobe Production Suite, is it possible to have the same thing with UbuntuStudio ?
[10:44] <Fouko> my favorit apps are Premiere pro and after effects
[10:46] <AutoStatic> No, not possible
[10:47] <Fouko> but there are apps like Premiere Pro and After effects on UbuntuStudio ?
[10:47] <AutoStatic> No
[10:48] <AutoStatic> Well, there are alternatives
[10:48] <AutoStatic> But they don't compare well to the Adobe stuff
[10:48] <AutoStatic> Software like kdenlive, Blender
[10:48] <Fouko> cinelerra ?
[10:49] <AutoStatic> Maybe, from what I've heard it is quite buggy
[10:50] <AutoStatic> And it is has a learning curve that is somewaht steeper than Premiere
[10:50] <Fouko> GIMP, Blender, Inkscape are really good apps
[10:50] <AutoStatic> But I'm no NLE/vide FX expert ;)
[10:50] <AutoStatic> Yes they are
[10:50] <AutoStatic> But those are all no NLE's like Premiere
[10:50] <Fouko> but there is not alternative for premiere or after effects
[10:51] <AutoStatic> There are alternatives but they're simply not up to par with premiere or After Effects
[10:51] <AutoStatic> You could take a look at kdenlive, atm I think it is the superior NLE
[10:52] <Fouko> is there node base compositing apps like NUKE ?
[10:54] <AutoStatic> Wouldn't know, never heard of it. Maybe someone else could tell. Don't think so.
[10:54] <AutoStatic> Video editing on Linux is a bit behind
[10:55] <Fouko> yes for audio or graph every things are here
[10:55] <Fouko> but for video ...
[10:57] <AutoStatic> It's simply a huge task, writing, coding and maintaining video software
[10:57] <Fouko> people do this for Blender and it's a really good apps
[10:57] <Fouko> in some way better than others
[10:57] <AutoStatic> Blender has a unique community/business model
[11:07] <Fouko> ok I'll come later
[16:51]  * saidinesh5 waves at holstein.....
[16:53] <holstein> saidinesh5: o/ :)
[21:59] <s_p_or_t_o> so, would everyone recommend studio on a lappy used for about 50% studio and 50% general use or should i stick with vanilla?
[22:11] <holstein> s_p_or_t_o: it literally doesnt matter
[22:11] <holstein> what i dont suggest is feeling like you *need* to dual boot
[22:11] <holstein> OR, reinstalling to aquire ubuntustudio
[22:11] <holstein> with laptops, i usually do vanilla with -generic kernel
[22:12] <holstein> sometimes i do a type of dual-booting with different kernels as needed
[22:12] <orngjce223> I'm running the lowlatency kernel on an Aspire One and get about four and a half hours of battery, it's pretty good
[22:12] <holstein> i also like to see a live CD running on the hardware before installing
[22:13] <holstein> yeah, the -lowlatency is a nice compromise
[22:14] <s_p_or_t_o> i have vanilla 10.10 on it now so i was planning a clean install either way, i'm trying to figure out what tho lol. it has most of the apps pieced together and i like the though of the studio kernel ^_^
[22:15]  * s_p_or_t_o looks at website for low lat kernel
[22:16] <holstein> s_p_or_t_o: there is no studio kernel
[22:16] <holstein> i say, by the time 12.04 releases, we wont need a different kernel
[22:16] <holstein> IF you need lower latency, or have xruns, then i suggest you try -lowlatency
[22:16] <holstein> THEN, if that doesnt work as expected, try -realtime
[22:17] <holstein> i actually have one USB device that performs signifacantly better with the -generic kernel
[22:17] <holstein> hopefully, we will have the -lowlatency kernel as the default kernel in ubuntustudio 11.10
[22:18] <holstein> BUT, assuming we *do* get that pushed into the default repos, it will be as easy as sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[22:18] <s_p_or_t_o> that would be sweet
[22:19] <holstein> well what would be sweet is just to have one kernel
[22:19] <holstein> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia#Realtime_kernel for example **