| === _Hyper__ is now known as _Hyper_ | ||
| ochosi | hey charlie-tca | 19:02 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | do you have a minute? | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | sure | 19:02 |
| ochosi | kewl | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | new trackball, might be a mess for a day or two, though | 19:02 |
| ochosi | so, i really spent a lot of time on the scrollbars this week | 19:02 |
| ochosi | so i wanted to give you a heads up on the outcome | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | what did we get? Should I grab the git? | 19:03 |
| ochosi | not yet, maybe in a minute :) | 19:03 |
| ochosi | i'll tell you first | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 19:03 |
| ochosi | i realized that firefox has a problem with scrollbars without arrows | 19:03 |
| ochosi | that simply breaks all horizontal scrolling | 19:03 |
| ochosi | libreoffice also doesn't like scrollbars without arrows | 19:03 |
| ochosi | but that's less of a concern to me than firefox | 19:04 |
| ochosi | so now i created a scrollbar layout with a tiny tiny arrow | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 19:04 |
| ochosi | it's basically a light-grey dot | 19:04 |
| ochosi | i think it even looks kinda nice | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | I was really liking the arrow-less scrollbar | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | But, if we must... | 19:05 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think then you might like this too | 19:05 |
| ochosi | it's rather subtle | 19:05 |
| ochosi | on bad screens people might not even see the dot | 19:05 |
| ochosi | but it's usable | 19:05 |
| ochosi | meaning you can click it | 19:05 |
| ochosi | which is also kinda nice | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | can't click what you can't see | 19:05 |
| ochosi | unless you know where it is ;) | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | true, or it is a mistake and you don't know why something scrolled | 19:06 |
| ochosi | well, if you click the trough, you scroll anyway | 19:06 |
| ochosi | but if you click where the arrows should be, it scrolls less | 19:06 |
| ochosi | screener: http://imagebin.org/159825 | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | Hm, I wonder if we will get bug reports for them being too hard to see? | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | It's fine for me, I know what it is, but I don't want users screaming at us for them, either. | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | Want to try it? | 19:08 |
| charlie-tca | I am willing to see what happens | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | Have you pushed anything to oneiric yet? | 19:11 |
| ochosi | k, sure, i'll quickly push the most recent version | 19:11 |
| ochosi | one sec | 19:11 |
| ochosi | btw, i made the scrollbar 1px wider so it's easier to grab (and in fact somehow murrine renders it nicer) | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | It would get more eyes looking at it, and more feedbck. | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | Great! I like that idea | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | I was thinking about that this morning. It seemed a bit narrow to me at times. | 19:13 |
| ochosi | ok, just pushed it | 19:14 |
| charlie-tca | to git or to bzr? | 19:15 |
| ochosi | hm, about user-reports and the arrows, i guess it would be an option to show some early screenshots on planet.ubuntu.org and see whether people start shouting early | 19:15 |
| ochosi | to git | 19:15 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, that would be a good thing to get out in front, wouldn't it? | 19:15 |
| charlie-tca | I am going grab it | 19:15 |
| ochosi | good | 19:15 |
| ochosi | actually in firefox the arrows are a bit more visible than in other apps | 19:16 |
| ochosi | but tbh honest firefox's xul scrollbars really don't work very well (no offense micahg ;) ) | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | That's because firefox insists on having them, right? | 19:16 |
| ochosi | yep | 19:17 |
| ochosi | btw, i tested midori's bookmarks migration | 19:17 |
| ochosi | it's really super-easy and works well | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | blame micahg, then. We haven't blamed him for much yet ;) | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, neat, huh? | 19:17 |
| ochosi | yep, i think that was one of the big blockers for midori in xubuntu, no? | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | The only issue I saw with midori was opening multiple tabs at once. | 19:17 |
| ochosi | how do you mean? | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | yes, not being able to transfer bookmarks is a big deal | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | I couldn't get it to let me open all 40+ tabs at one time | 19:18 |
| ochosi | oh | 19:18 |
| ochosi | 40+ tabs at once sounds more like a stresstest than an every-day usebase :) | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | It wants me to open each one separately, but it might be something I did, too | 19:19 |
| ochosi | how did you open them? | 19:19 |
| ochosi | i'd like to try aswell | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | I open those everyday, for bug triage | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | firefox, it is just a right click on the folder in bookmarks, open all in tabs | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | in midori, I couldn't find that option | 19:20 |
| ochosi | ah | 19:20 |
| ochosi | interesting | 19:20 |
| ochosi | i'll have a look | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | and, it is not fun, doing that many individually, daily | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | but, if that is all there is, shrugs | 19:20 |
| ochosi | actually it works for me | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | really? | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | Then it is me... I like midori, too | 19:21 |
| ochosi | i just right-clicked a folder in bookmarks and there is an option "open all in tabs" | 19:21 |
| ochosi | and it works | 19:21 |
| ochosi | at least for the three websites i had in that testfolder | 19:21 |
| ochosi | maybe you have an older version of midori? | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | I will go try it again, then. Maybe it was old | 19:21 |
| * ochosi has 0.3.2 | 19:22 | |
| ochosi | midori doesn't have the scrollbar issues that firefox has ;) | 19:23 |
| ochosi | an in general it's a very pretty app since it's all gtk | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | importing my bookmarks, let's see what happens. It looks like I tried it back in May | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | I still would like to see us using it. I even suggested both midori and firefox, but I can't get an answer I like on that. | 19:24 |
| ochosi | you suggested it to whom? | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | micahg and the meetings | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | My midori is 0.3.6, and I can't find the bookmarks in it | 19:26 |
| ochosi | so when you're showing the sidepanel and switch to bookmarks, there is nothing? | 19:27 |
| charlie-tca | what sidepanel? | 19:27 |
| ochosi | click the menu-button (the gear) and then show sidepanel | 19:27 |
| ochosi | that's similar to ff's sidepanel | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | found it | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | without that, there are no bookmarks to access | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, we would need that on by default, I think | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | It is opening my tabs now | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | micahg even agreed to midori, if we decided to use it this cycle | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | That could be a space saver, couldn't it? | 19:30 |
| ochosi | guess so | 19:30 |
| ochosi | but i don't have the numbers anywhere near me :) | 19:31 |
| ochosi | anyhow, if you just start typing in the address bar your bookmarks will also show up | 19:31 |
| ochosi | like firefox's awesome bar | 19:31 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, I never have learned how to use that damn thing in firefox | 19:31 |
| ochosi | so it's not completely hidden, rather trying to save screen estate | 19:31 |
| GridCube | lubuntu uses chromium | 19:31 |
| ochosi | hey GridCube | 19:32 |
| GridCube | hey :) | 19:32 |
| ochosi | so i added tiny almost invisible arrows to the scrollbars, hope you're happy now ;) http://imagebin.org/159825 | 19:32 |
| ochosi | but they're functionalö | 19:33 |
| GridCube | :D nice | 19:33 |
| ochosi | feel free to grab the latest version from git and try them live | 19:33 |
| ochosi | (and don't switch back to albatross immediately!) | 19:34 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: yes, but we don't | 19:34 |
| GridCube | ok ochosi will do when i'm on my pc | 19:34 |
| GridCube | yes i know charlie-tca, i meant that if we want a small (functional) browser, chromium is a choice, not my choice, but a choice | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: if we have a chance for midori, I will start using it again | 19:36 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: yeah, i'd say let's start testing it a bit more | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | I can do that | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: We want to test midori, too | 19:36 |
| ochosi | there are enough arguments to at least discuss it again imo | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | chromium been knocked out everytime, for a lot of different issues. | 19:36 |
| GridCube | :D | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | The only reason we did not switch to midori for 11.04 was the bookmarks could not be imported. | 19:37 |
| GridCube | ok, good because i dont like chromium | 19:37 |
| GridCube | but then again, in the last weeks it has been the only browser unafected by the facebook/hotmail attacks to firefox | 19:38 |
| * ochosi is wondering why his midori version is so old compared to charlie-tca's... | 19:39 | |
| charlie-tca | oneiric? | 19:40 |
| ochosi | yeah, guess so, i'm still on natty | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | or am I pulling from the ppa again? | 19:40 |
| ochosi | but i decided to add the midori ppa now | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | !info midori | 19:40 |
| ubottu | midori (source: midori): fast, lightweight graphical web browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-0.1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 1014 kB, installed size 3556 kB | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | !info midori oneiric | 19:40 |
| ubottu | midori (source: midori): fast, lightweight graphical web browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.6-1ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 1073 kB, installed size 3704 kB | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | there it is | 19:40 |
| ochosi | mhm | 19:40 |
| ochosi | !info firefox oneiric | 19:41 |
| ubottu | firefox (source: firefox): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 5.0+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 16484 kB, installed size 35832 kB | 19:41 |
| ochosi | ~30mb size difference | 19:41 |
| GridCube | D: thats a huge difference | 19:41 |
| ochosi | in just that package | 19:41 |
| micahg | ochosi: both natty and oneiric have Firefox 5 | 19:41 |
| ochosi | micahg: yep, i know | 19:41 |
| micahg | GridCube: chromium in Lubuntu is counterintuitive as it's larger than firefox and uses more memory | 19:41 |
| charlie-tca | That is a lot of disk space, isn't it? | 19:41 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: what's the issue with let's see if we have space? :) | 19:42 |
| ochosi | well, it's not killing us i guess | 19:42 |
| ochosi | it's "just another argument" | 19:42 |
| charlie-tca | WE are way oversized, and have to keep gtk2 and gtk3, right? | 19:42 |
| micahg | !info chromium-browser | 19:42 |
| ubottu | chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 12.0.742.91~r87961-0ubuntu0.11.04.1 (natty), package size 16069 kB, installed size 55964 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 all) | 19:42 |
| ochosi | from an artwork point of view i'm all for midori, because it's all gtk :) | 19:42 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: yeah, I'll fix that after alpha 2, the platform rally is next week and idk if I'll have time before that | 19:42 |
| charlie-tca | We still have hopes for midori, micahg | 19:43 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: my guess is I can get both on the CD, but let's see what happens | 19:43 |
| ochosi | wow, midori's new speed dial is pretty fancy | 19:43 |
| micahg | midori won't take up much space it's just ATM we have none :) | 19:43 |
| charlie-tca | win/win | 19:44 |
| charlie-tca | I got to keep hoping, right ;) | 19:45 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: have you tried "menu" > "customize toolbar" and then add the bookmarks there? | 19:45 |
| GridCube | question. what if, just what if, once one downloads/installs xubuntu a "choose your browser" app appears and lets you choose what browser to install? like some windows installations have (OEM) that let you choose a browser on startup | 19:45 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: I think we can make it happen | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | huh? | 19:45 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: it gives you a nice star that shows all your bookmarks as a menu | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | I can add it to a menu I don' t even have? | 19:45 |
| micahg | well, kubuntu has a firefox installer, but it makes sense for them as they don't want a GTK2 stack on their install | 19:45 |
| ochosi | GridCube: i think that edubuntu has something like that | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | Where did you get this "customize" ? | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | GridCube: we just throw them both into the menu and let the user choose | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | It makes midori more visible | 19:46 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: http://imagebin.org/159832 | 19:47 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: what you'll get is the star next to the pressed menu-button | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: I don't have that option | 19:47 |
| ochosi | i think that's a lot less obtrusive than showing the whole sidebar by default | 19:48 |
| ochosi | rly? | 19:48 |
| ochosi | then my midori is newer than yours ;) | 19:48 |
| ochosi | https://launchpad.net/~midori/+archive/ppa | 19:48 |
| ochosi | and | 19:48 |
| ochosi | https://launchpad.net/~webkit-team/+archive/ppa | 19:48 |
| ochosi | anyhow, will go for drinks with a few friends now | 19:49 |
| ochosi | feel free to ping me when you have greybird-feedback | 19:49 |
| ochosi | i'll read it in the backlog tomorrow | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | here - http://imagebin.org/159834 | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | kubuntu offers both konqueror or something and firefox on the finished install | 19:51 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: kubuntu has rekonq by default with an installer for Firefox | 19:51 |
| ochosi | edubuntu's choice happens in the ubiquity dialog iirc | 19:51 |
| micahg | ochosi: that PPA has the same version as oneiric | 19:51 |
| ochosi | maybe we should look into that if there's enough space | 19:51 |
| ochosi | micahg: hm, the screenshots kinda tell a different story | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | no, firefox is installed in oneiric, at least | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe I got my options wrong in preferences, ochosi | 19:52 |
| micahg | ochosi: maybe they have customizations or something, I just took what Debian had | 19:53 |
| ochosi | sry, i think i have the "toolbar customizer" extension installed | 19:53 |
| ochosi | s/installed/activated | 19:53 |
| ochosi | it should be a part of midori iirc | 19:54 |
| ochosi | with that you can add the button | 19:54 |
| ochosi | (i guess) | 19:54 |
| micahg | :) | 19:54 |
| charlie-tca | found it | 19:54 |
| charlie-tca | toolbar editor is an extension in midori | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't played with the extensions | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | but I will. I will start using it in place of firefox | 19:56 |
| * ochosi hasn't really either | 19:56 | |
| ochosi | i've only tried the adblock | 19:56 |
| ochosi | and that seems to work ok | 19:56 |
| charlie-tca | I block ads with dnsmasq | 19:56 |
| ochosi | nice | 19:56 |
| ochosi | k, now i really g2g | 19:57 |
| charlie-tca | Since it is on my server, any machine I connect gets the ads blocked automatically | 19:57 |
| ochosi | see you around everyone! | 19:57 |
| charlie-tca | Have a good weekend | 19:57 |
| ochosi | thx you too | 19:57 |
| charlie-tca | hm, You can't export bookmarks in html from firefox? | 20:34 |
| GridCube | yes | 20:35 |
| GridCube | wait, yes, you can | 20:36 |
| charlie-tca | how? | 20:37 |
| GridCube | i dont have it in english, but is >bookmarks >manage bookmarks >import and save >save as html | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | firefox 5.0; no manage bookmarks | 20:49 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe it just isn't my day for browsers :( | 20:50 |
| GridCube | O_o | 20:50 |
| GridCube | let me do some research | 20:50 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't found a single option yet today when told it was there, midori and firefox | 20:51 |
| GridCube | mmm | 20:52 |
| GridCube | what if you type >about:bookmarks | 20:52 |
| charlie-tca | losing battle. | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | The URL is not recognized | 20:57 |
| GridCube | :P take the long road | 20:57 |
| GridCube | >help >information to solve problems >open containing folder >manually copy bookmarks.html | 20:57 |
| charlie-tca | ahem, there is none | 21:00 |
| GridCube | :( | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | they are now json files | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | I can't win today | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | Even the backup files appear to be .json | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | now... :( | 21:01 |
| GridCube | :/ | 21:01 |
| GridCube | can i see your bookmarks menu display? | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | so, is firefox getting like IE, lock the users in and forget about letting them do anything with any other browser? | 21:01 |
| GridCube | crtl+shift+b? | 21:02 |
| charlie-tca | This one? http://imagebin.org/159842 | 21:04 |
| charlie-tca | That shortcut doesn't work, either | 21:05 |
| GridCube | oh | 21:06 |
| GridCube | is "show all bookmarks" ctrl-shift-o | 21:07 |
| GridCube | that should open a window and the last menu should be "export & backup" or something like that | 21:07 |
| charlie-tca | That's the one I lost. Thanks for being so persistent | 21:09 |
| GridCube | :D | 21:09 |
| GridCube | so its there, correct? | 21:11 |
| GridCube | its fun because even in spañish the names change if you use the "spain" or the "argentina" localization | 21:12 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, it is there | 21:15 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: I can't find Bug #636532 upstream (it was reported for other plugins though). Am I blind tonight, or was it forgotten? :P | 22:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 636532 in xfce4-timer-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfce4-timer-plugin uses "gtk-paste" as app-icon" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636532 | 22:46 |
| mr_pouit | also, I got a mail from LP that gridcube wants to join ~xubuntu-art | 22:48 |
| mr_pouit | grmpf | 22:48 |
| mr_pouit | mohkay, it seems actually neither knome nor you are in this team =] | 22:49 |
| mr_pouit | bwarf, that's a mess | 22:49 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!