[00:00] <ray_> hi all
[00:01] <ray_> i need help setting a network printer in win 7.
[00:03] <ray_> i have samba and i can see other shared folders in win 7 but not hp laserjet printer
[00:03] <ray_> am i missing an app to make this work?
[00:06] <lcb> ray_:  you need to share that printer in your win 7 machine. then System Settings | Hardware | Printer Configuration. Then "New Printer"
[00:06] <ray_> it is shared...Ubuntu 11.04 sees it but not kubuntu
[00:07] <szal> ray_: who or what?
[00:08] <ray_> printer is connected to win 7 box and shared. Ubuntu has no problem. Kubuntu can not see it
[00:09] <lcb> ray_: after New Printer, select "Windows Printer via Samba" or the one listed that matches yours, in case it shows up...
[00:09] <ray_> tried all that but nfg
[00:10] <szal> ray_: samba-client is installed?  not sure if you need it, but..
[00:10] <ray_> checked network...win 7 shares available except for printer. HP Laserjet printer is shared and Ubuntu can access it
[00:11] <lcb> ray_: on the *Samba* config details enter the workgroup - to see if it shows up
[00:11] <lcb> just the workgroup
[00:11] <ray_> kubuntu cannot see the f printer
[00:11] <ray_> workgroup the same for my network
[00:11] <ray_> samba is installed
[00:12] <lcb> out of f ideas, for now
[00:12] <ray_> already edit the smb.conf
[00:13] <ray_> this is my first time with Kubuntu...
[00:14] <OerHeks> last thought, try localhost:631 and see if there is any setting of test .
[00:14] <ray_> i like it but Ubuntu seems to be a lot easier to deal with
[00:18] <szal> ray_: the smb.conf has got nothing to do w/ it if the printer is shared from a Windows machine
[00:19] <szal> the smb.conf is needed if you want to share something from the *buntu machine
[00:20] <ray_> i only configured the smb.conf to match the workgroup name
[00:21] <szal> that won't have any effect unless you have a Samba _server_ running on *buntu
[00:22] <ray_> kubuntu can access all my win shares except for printer. printer is missing!
[00:22] <ray_> im dual booting ubuntu and kubuntu
[00:23] <ray_> on my laptop
[00:23] <ray_> connecting to my window 7 network wirelessly
[00:24] <ray_> brb
[00:34] <tiago> lcb: thanks ;) are you also portuguese?
[00:35] <ray_> hi all
[00:46] <szal> sjeng
[01:01] <lcb> tiago_: yes
[01:48] <sorush20> !kwin
[01:48] <sorush20> how do I permanently turn off special effects on kwin?
[01:54] <kavurt> my browsers cannot connect to the internet. but skype works. it says: make sure firefox is permitted to access the web. what might be wrong?
[02:08] <tiago> kavurt: maybe you have port 80 closed?
[02:09] <kavurt> how can i open it tiago
[02:16] <tiago> kavurt: i think you can manage your traffic with iptables https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[02:41] <ray51> hi all
[02:43] <cpatrick008> hi ray51
[02:44] <ray51> fresh install of kubuntu and i cant get my network printer to connect. the weird thing is my win 7 shares are available except for the printer!
[02:44] <ray51> my printer is connected to win 7 box
[02:45] <cpatrick008> what printer do you have
[02:45] <ray51> samba installed and workgroup configured
[02:45] <ray51> hp laserjet 2100
[02:46] <ray51> i can see my network shares but the printer. Im running kubuntu from my laptop connecting wirelessly.
[02:47] <cpatrick008> ray51: do you hae drivers installed for the printer
[02:47] <cpatrick008> have*
[02:47] <ray51> im dual booting ubuntu and kubuntu on the same laptop.
[02:47] <ray51> yes
[02:48] <ray51> when running ubuntu 11.04, i can print from my network printer.
[02:49] <cpatrick008> ray51: if you go to http://hplipopensource.com/ you can get the driver for kubuntu and use hp-setup to get it to work wirelessly
[02:51] <ray51> which distro...NO kubuntu only ubuntu
[02:53] <ray51> will this work?
[02:53] <cpatrick008> the ubuntu one will work for kubuntu and the other buntus
[02:53] <ray51> ok i give it a try
[02:54] <szal> ray51: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3936016&postcount=5
[03:09] <ray51> still not working...
[03:10] <cpatrick008> well it was worth a try sorry i could not help you solve your problem
[03:11] <buzzmandt> Just wanted you guys to know, i'm lovin muon.  good choice
[03:11] <ray51> i didn't have any problems installing the printer in Ubuntu. Cant figure it out in Kubuntu....
[03:12] <szal> [03:54:23] <szal> ray51: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3936016&postcount=5
[03:12] <ray51> i tried it also ... nfg
[03:13] <buzzmandt> better than kpackagekit
[03:18] <ray51> hooked up my printer via usb to my laptop and installed instantly. Why not through my network?
[03:23] <ray51> do i need to create a net bios name for kubuntu?
[03:58] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys!
[03:58] <LINKSWORD2> Got a couple questions.
[04:04] <LINKSWORD2> Is it possible to execute the Show Desktop keyboard command without having the Show Desktop icon on the desktop or taskbar?
[04:14] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: try making a permanent binding to a specific key press combo?
[04:15] <LINKSWORD2> How?
[04:15] <Linkmaster> let me see real fast
[04:23] <LINKSWORD2> So... Results?
[04:25] <Linkmaster> I'm finding *where* they are, I just cant figure *how* to edit/add/change them
[04:25] <Linkmaster> >:l
[04:26] <LINKSWORD2> ... I'm waiting. :/
[04:27] <mcellius> #ubuntu
[04:27] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[04:31] <Linkmaster> system settings -> shortcuts and gestures. hve at it
[04:34] <LINKSWORD2> Shortcuts & Gestures, huh?
[04:38] <LINKSWORD2> Now...
[04:39] <LINKSWORD2> Is there a way to remove the Show Desktop widget from the Widgets panel, so as to not accidentally re-add it to the desktop?
[04:42] <Linkmaster> I dont know..is it possible to build FF3 in ~ so that I can use it and FF5 at the same time?
[04:43] <LINKSWORD2> Let me guess. Add-on compatibility?
[04:44] <Linkmaster> Yep :l
[04:44] <Linkmaster> Since 99% of add-ons work in FF3, I'm going to guess at that one
[04:45] <LINKSWORD2> There's an option to remove the compatibility check in FF5.
[04:45] <LINKSWORD2> Let me find it.
[04:45] <Linkmaster> Wouldn't that cause all sorts of hell to break loose?
[04:45]  * Linkmaster of course wouldn't mind trying it though
[04:46] <LINKSWORD2> Apparently not. I've used it before.
[04:47] <Linkmaster> Hmm..well, I found the cnet download. Put the .tar.bz2 file into my ~/kde4/src folder :D
[04:47] <LINKSWORD2> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/
[04:48] <LINKSWORD2> I've got a couple of add-ons that worked with FF2 on FF5, thanks to that.
[04:54] <LINKSWORD2> Let me know if it helps.
[04:54] <Linkmaster> let me try that before I go off on my tangent
[04:55] <LINKSWORD2> xD
[04:55] <LINKSWORD2> Well, I've gotta close my screen.
[04:55] <Linkmaster> later
[09:26] <Apple_Cat> Does anyone know if it is possible to enable desktop effects but keep the old Alt+tab task switcher? Is there a config file somewhere that I can change?
[09:59] <bbeck> Apple_Cat: sure you can do that.  Check out system settings --> Window Behavior --> Task Switch --> Then in about the middle of that screen is a drop down where you can select No Effect.
[10:49] <sylvain> salut a tous !!
[10:50] <Guest70385> je suis un petit nouveau Kubuntu !! :)
[10:52] <Graf_Westerholt> !fr | Guest70385
[10:52] <Graf_Westerholt> Salut, Guest70385. :)
[11:30] <MidnightGlow> hello
[11:31] <MidnightGlow> do you know how to fix XCHAT TRY ICON - over try icon
[11:31] <MidnightGlow> i have white in icon and  my bar is in transperancy  mode
[11:32] <MidnightGlow> kde 3.5.9
[11:32] <MidnightGlow> ?
[11:32] <szal> (1) XChat != KDE; (2) KDE3 is UNSUPPORTED
[11:34] <szal> (3) KDE 3.5.9 also implies an unsupported *buntu release; iirc, 3.5.10 was already available when Lucid came along
[11:34] <MidnightGlow> http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3695/hatew.png
[11:35] <szal> whatever that's supposed to show..
[11:35] <MidnightGlow> that is my problem
[11:35] <szal> MidnightGlow: cat /etc/issue
[11:35] <MidnightGlow> .. BackTrack 4 R2 Codename Nemesis \n \l
[11:36] <szal> -> #backtrack-linux please
[11:36] <MidnightGlow> oki sorry
[11:36] <MidnightGlow> and thanks!
[12:25] <bibliotheque> hi guys
[12:26] <bibliotheque> is there anyone here by chance having installed succesfully xbmc on kubuntu?
[14:27] <rethus> kmail2 is released. when does it come to kubuntu?
[14:36] <dineshnn> how to configure samba network
[14:38] <dineshnn> any expert is there config samba share
[14:49] <rethus> if you are no knowledge about samba - maybe try webmin or swat... or look here for some simlar tool: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/smbweb.htm
[14:50] <rethus> i recommend to setup a firewall, if your pc is connected to the internet - firestarter is good and easy dineshnn
[14:51] <dineshnn> #rethus : can you advise how to config that
[14:51] <rethus> cconfigure what
[14:51] <dineshnn> #rethus : or any tutorial is there
[14:51] <dineshnn> to connect both the system
[14:51] <dineshnn> one is laptop and one is desktop
[14:52] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:52] <rethus> you have to spend some time to get knowlege about it.No way out to read yourself something about this.. or spend money for someone who realize it for you
[14:53] <rethus> i send you some information ... go and read it
[14:53] <dineshnn> please i am waiting for that
[14:53] <rethus> some of that tools are quite easy to use.
[14:53] <rethus> so give them a try
[14:53] <dineshnn> thanks rethus...
[14:53] <dineshnn> sure
[14:53] <rethus> your welcome
[14:55] <dineshnn> i am waiting for the information
[15:38] <kurtul> my browsers cannot access to web. there's no proxy. network is normal. skype and teamviewer working. browsers are not offline.
[15:40] <kurtul> apt-get update && apt-get ugrade fails to fetch url. says: connection refused. any ideas?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> kurtul, ping google.com
[15:48] <BluesKaj> using sudo with apt , kurtul ?
[15:48] <kurtul> BluesKaj: it says, 2 received, 0 packet loss
[15:49] <kurtul> BluesKaj: sorry i did use with sudo. it says connection refused. some index files failed to download. it seems theres a network issue. but skype and teamviewer work
[15:50] <BluesKaj> are you on a school or business network ?
[15:50] <kurtul> and ping looks slow, but result looks ok
[15:50] <kurtul> home network
[15:51] <kurtul> it's my friends computer. i installed kubuntu. but he can't connect to web now. i'm trying to solve the issue through teamviewer.
[15:52] <kurtul> i've never seen this before.
[15:52] <kurtul> it seems to me, it's kind of a network problem. not related with kubuntu. but i can't make sure
[15:53] <BluesKaj> ok , try  this , sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:58] <kurtul> it said: ignoring unknown interface wlan2=wlan2, ignoring unknown interface eth2=eth2
[15:58] <kurtul> it's weird, isn't it?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> kurtul, wonfder if this will show a router/modem address,  ip a | grep inet
[16:03] <kurtul> BluesKaj: there's: scope host lo, scope host, scope global eth2, scope link, scope global wlan2, scope link
[16:04] <kurtul> it's connected through eth now
[16:05] <kurtul> there shouldn't be nat or anything. but ip is 192.168.1.142/24
[16:05] <kurtul> it used to be normal ip before, when i connect it with eth
[16:07] <BluesKaj> kurtul, you mean we were talking wifi all along ?
[16:08] <kurtul> BluesKaj: oh, forget the last one. there's a nat.
[16:08] <kurtul> so it doesn't matter i guess if it's wifi or eth
[16:10] <BluesKaj> yes it does the settings are different
[16:10] <kurtul> BluesKaj: if i upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, do you think it'll fix this issue?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> doubt it '
[16:11] <BluesKaj> so what are you going tod o try to use wifi or ethernet?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> to do
[16:12] <kurtul> now the computer is connected with eth. but the other end is in wifi router.
[16:13] <dineshnn> hi i am using a kubuntu 11.04 desktop amd 64 bit version..
[16:13] <dineshnn> can anyone guide me how to install the printer.
[16:13] <dineshnn> in 32 bit i have installed easily installed..
[16:17] <kurtul> BluesKaj: it was working yesterday normally. is there a log file, we may be able tosee what was done wrong?
[16:17] <dineshnn> please help me on installing the printer
[16:18] <Eruaran> hi dineshnn, what printer is it?
[16:18] <dineshnn> canon mf4320d
[16:18] <dineshnn> i have downloaded the driver from canon site
[16:19] <dineshnn> for 32 bit its easily installed
[16:19] <dineshnn> in 64 bit i dont know how to do that
[16:19] <Eruaran> dineshnn: let me look it up I'll see if I can find out for you
[16:20] <dineshnn> thanks eruaran
[16:21] <dineshnn> Eruaran : which i have downloaded there is 64 bit folder.. but there is no deb files to install
[16:24] <Eruaran> dineshnn: is it a tar.gz?
[16:24] <dineshnn> Eruaran :its a rpm file
[16:25] <Eruaran> dineshnn: ah... rpm is for Fedora and other distributions that use RPM
[16:25] <dineshnn> ok
[16:25] <dineshnn> then how to install in kubuntu 64 bit version
[16:26] <Eruaran> dineshnn: if there's no .deb there should still be a tar.gz to download (I just downloaded one of a similar model)... if you extract it, it should have 32 and 64bit driver folders in it
[16:26] <Eruaran> oh
[16:26] <Eruaran> I see what you mean
[16:26] <Eruaran> there's only an rpm in there
[16:26] <Eruaran> o_)
[16:26] <Eruaran> o_0
[16:26] <FloodBotK1> Eruaran: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:26] <Eruaran> well done Canon...
[16:27] <kurtul> i just found out something weird. my browers can access to gmail. but nothing else
[16:28] <BlackBerries> Could be a cache issue
[16:28] <BlackBerries> If they can only access gmail
[16:29] <BlackBerries> I have a VPN issue, using openvpn - it works in ubuntu 11.04 but not kubuntu 10.10
[16:29] <Eruaran> dineshnn: I have found something that might help... just reading it a bit first
[16:30] <Eruaran> dineshnn: I have found something that might help... just reading it a bit first
[16:30] <BlackBerries> Openvpn Networking Issue - It won't let me apply settings so I am unable to connect to Work
[16:30] <dineshnn_> Eruaran: ok friend i am waiting
[16:31] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: so you have the latest UFR_II_Printer_Driver_for_Linux_V210_uk_EN.tar.gz?
[16:32] <Eruaran> covers your model (MF4320D)
[16:32] <dineshnn_> UFR_II_Printer_Driver_for_Linux_V220_uk_EN
[16:32] <dineshnn_> this is the driver i have
[16:33] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: have you used the konsole before?
[16:33] <dineshnn_> Eruaran: UFR_II_Printer_Driver_for_Linux_V220_uk_EN this is the driver i have installed in laptop KUbuntu 11.04 32 bit
[16:33] <dineshnn_> nope
[16:33] <dineshnn_> what is konsole
[16:34] <Eruaran> Ok, try this link: http://support-sg.canon-asia.com/P/search?model=imageCLASS+MF4380dn/MF4370dn/MF4350d/MF4320d&menu=download&filter=0&tagname=g_os&g_os=Linux
[16:34] <Eruaran> It should be correct
[16:34] <Eruaran> It has 32 and 64bit RPM's in it
[16:35] <dineshnn_> yes you are correct
[16:36] <dineshnn_> which u sent the link is same driver i am having
[16:36] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: ok
[16:36] <dineshnn_> so i am having the proper driver
[16:36] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: yes
[16:36] <dineshnn_> if yes can you help me to install
[16:38] <Eruaran> hmm the information I have might not be up to date enough
[16:38] <Eruaran> just a sec
[16:38] <dineshnn_> ok
[16:40] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: first it looks like you need to install RPM
[16:41] <dineshnn_> impossible to install this is the message i am getting
[16:41] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: click on kickoff menu (K menu) and then system settings and software management
[16:41] <Eruaran> K > System Settings > Software Management
[16:42] <dineshnn_> yes i did
[16:42] <Eruaran> ok
[16:42] <dineshnn_> guide me will do the same
[16:42] <Eruaran> in the search box under 'get and remove software' type rpm and hit enter
[16:42] <Eruaran> you should see a list of rpm related packes
[16:43] <dineshnn_> s
[16:43] <dineshnn_> which i have to install
[16:44] <Eruaran> the one you want to install is just called rpm with the description 'package manager for RPM'
[16:45] <sirbeat> hello!
[16:45] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: just click the install button that appears next to it when you mouse over it, then click apply
[16:45] <dineshnn_> ok
[16:46] <dineshnn_> installed
[16:46] <Eruaran> ok
[16:46] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: now you need to install alien
[16:46] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: so in the search box type alien and hit enter
[16:47] <dineshnn_> yes did
[16:47] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: you should see the third package down the list is alien - convert and install rpm and other packages
[16:47] <dineshnn_> s installing
[16:47] <Eruaran> ok
[16:48] <Eruaran> when thats done we can move on to the next step
[16:49] <dineshnn_> ok its installing
[16:50] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: next you will need to open konsole (K > Applications > System > Terminal (konsole)
[16:51] <dineshnn_> yes didi
[16:51] <dineshnn_> yes i did
[16:51] <dineshnn_> isntallation completed
[16:52] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: next you will need to open konsole (K > Applications > System > Terminal (konsole)
[16:52] <dineshnn_> yes i opened
[16:52] <Eruaran> ok
[16:52] <Eruaran> do you know where you downloaded the files to?
[16:52] <dineshnn_> yes
[16:53] <Eruaran> you will need to navigate there
[16:53] <Eruaran> for example
[16:53] <dineshnn_> it is in the documents follder
[16:53] <Eruaran> If its in my downloads folder I would type:
[16:53] <Eruaran> cd /Downloads
[16:54] <Eruaran> you only need the rpm files
[16:54] <dineshnn_> ok
[16:54] <Eruaran> so you can put them in the same folder to make it easy
[16:54] <Eruaran> once you are in the folder that you have the rpm files in at the command prompt we can do the next bit
[16:55] <dineshnn_> yes i did
[16:55] <Eruaran> ok
[16:55] <Eruaran> were going to install both
[16:55] <Eruaran> 32 and 64 bit
[16:55] <dineshnn_> ok
[16:56] <dineshnn_> i have pasted the driver folder in downloads folder
[16:56] <dineshnn_> can you give the exact command which i have type
[16:56] <Eruaran> ok
[16:57] <Eruaran> in the one I  downloaded I just noticed the 32bit folder actually has a Debian folder in it
[16:57] <Eruaran> with the 32bit deb in it
[16:57] <Eruaran> does yours have a debian folder?
[16:57] <dineshnn_> debian folder ... i have installed in 32 bit version and it is working properly
[16:59] <Eruaran> it is right now or was last time?
[16:59] <dineshnn_> 32 bit is in on other system.. means in laptop i have installed 32bit version.. in desktop i have a amd processor.. so i installed 64bit version
[17:00] <Eruaran> ok
[17:00] <dineshnn_> now i need to install in desktop
[17:00] <Eruaran> were going to convert the rpm files to deb
[17:00] <dineshnn_> ok
[17:00] <Eruaran> so if in konsole you have cd /downloads/myfolder etc gone to the folder where the rpm's are we can continue
[17:01] <Eruaran> type (or paste) in this command:
[17:02] <Eruaran> sudo alien --to-deb --scripts cndrvcups-... (the name of your printer rpm
[17:02] <Eruaran> cndrvcups... is for whatever your rpm file is called
[17:03] <dineshnn_> impossible to install
[17:03] <Eruaran> not installing yet
[17:03] <dineshnn_> same message i have received
[17:03] <dineshnn_> yes
[17:03] <Eruaran> just converting
[17:04] <dineshnn_> ok
[17:05] <dineshnn_> i have a team viewer.. could you able to work on that
[17:05] <dineshnn_> sorry for troubling
[17:06] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: you're nearly there
[17:07] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: this is what I typed on mine
[17:07] <Eruaran> sudo alien --to-deb --scripts cndrvcups-common-2.20-1.x86_64.rpm
[17:07] <Eruaran> (even if your rpm file is a different name it works the same)
[17:07] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: it will ask for your password
[17:07] <dineshnn_> yes
[17:08] <dineshnn_> i will give
[17:08] <dineshnn_> later i can change it
[17:08] <Eruaran> you should eventually see something like this:
[17:08] <Eruaran> ndrvcups-common_2.20-2_amd64.deb generated
[17:08] <dineshnn_> team viewer is installing will give the user name and pw
[17:09] <Eruaran> just a sec
[17:12] <Eruaran> dineshnn_: I am downloading teamviewer
[17:12] <dineshnn_> ok
[17:35] <dineshnn_> any networking experts here
[17:35] <Graf_Westerholt> !ask | dineshnn_
[17:35] <dineshnn_> i am using kubuntu 11.04 in laptop and desktop.. i need to connect it through networking
[17:36] <dineshnn_> Graf_westerholt: hope you got the thing what i am asking
[17:39] <dineshnn_> Graf_westerholt : did you got my problem
[17:39] <Graf_Westerholt> !network | dineshnn_
[17:39] <Graf_Westerholt> !detail | dineshnn_
[17:40] <dineshnn_> i need to connect the two systems through networking.. both i have installed kubuntu 11.04
[17:40] <Graf_Westerholt> And what is the problem?
[17:42] <Graf_Westerholt> dineshnn_, you have to say what is problem.
[17:43] <dineshnn_> i dont know how to do that
[17:44] <Graf_Westerholt> dineshnn_, you have a cable pluged in in both PCs?
[17:45] <dineshnn_> yes one is pc connected with cable.. laptop is connected with wifi
[17:45] <Graf_Westerholt> So what is the problem?
[17:46] <Graf_Westerholt> What do you want to do? Share files?
[17:46] <Graf_Westerholt> Access the Internet?
[17:48] <dineshnn_> share files
[17:49] <dineshnn_> to connect with printer and share files
[17:50] <Graf_Westerholt> I am not very familiar with that. Try „Network“ in Dolphin.
[17:51] <dineshnn_> tyied it .. but its not showing
[17:52] <Graf_Westerholt> I am sorry, I am sure someone else can help you.
[17:52] <dineshnn_> ok
[18:36] <dineshnn> any networking experts
[18:36] <Linkmaster> whats the problem?
[18:37] <dineshnn> i need to connect two computers through network
[18:45] <BluesKaj> dineshnn, how are the computers connected to the network ?
[18:45] <dineshnn> desktop by cable laptop by wifi
[18:47] <BluesKaj> desktop works and wifi doesn't I bet
[18:47] <dineshnn> desktop connected in lan cable
[18:47] <BluesKaj> desktop ethernet
[18:48] <dineshnn> laptop connected through wifi
[18:48] <dineshnn> in home i have wifi router
[18:48] <BluesKaj> yes.ok, describe your problem
[18:49] <dineshnn> i need to connect both the system to share files
[18:51] <BluesKaj> yes, but what's wrong ?
[18:52] <dineshnn> i dont knw how to connect
[18:52] <dineshnn> need your support
[18:54] <BluesKaj> does the laptop connect ok?
[18:56] <dineshnn> ok if i connect through lan cables
[18:56] <dineshnn> both the system in lancables
[18:58] <excognac> hi all. Anyone has an idea why the files in my desktop folder does not appear on my desktop? (a small odt file and a jpg)
[19:01] <cousin_mario> hello
[19:01] <cousin_mario> has anyone noticed instability with kde and the nvidia drivers from xorg-edgers?
[19:04] <cousin_mario> (kdeinit4 segfaults, to be exact)
[19:05] <BluesKaj> dineshnn, ok so you want to share files  ..look at samba
[19:05] <BluesKaj> !samba | dineshnn
[19:05] <BluesKaj> or smb , dineshnn
[19:06] <BluesKaj> !smb
[19:06] <BluesKaj> hmm'
[19:06] <BluesKaj> !share
[19:08] <BluesKaj> !ssh | dineshnn
[19:09] <dineshnn> will try this things
[19:09] <BluesKaj> cousin_mario, is there a reason for not using the recommended nvidia drivers ?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> dineshnn, I prefer ssh , myself
[19:10] <dineshnn> ok
[19:10] <dineshnn> will try that now
[19:11] <cousin_mario> BluesKaj: they don't work properly on kde
[19:11] <cousin_mario> BluesKaj: screen corruption or outright crash when resizing konsole for example
[19:19] <BluesKaj> cousin_mario,, which kde version?
[19:21] <dineshnn> suggest some software equal to photoshop
[19:29] <BluesKaj> !gimp
[19:29] <dineshnn> what about krita
[19:30] <Peace-> dineshnn: it's nice
[19:30] <Peace-> for me
[19:30] <Peace-> i prefer to gimp
[19:30] <Peace-> but you have not all the effects
[19:30] <Peace-> that gimps has
[19:30] <dineshnn> is it
[19:30] <dineshnn> then will try gimp
[19:31] <BluesKaj> dineshnn, gimp isn't photoshop, but it's qwuitegood
[19:31] <BluesKaj> err quite good
[19:59] <cousin_mario> BluesKaj: 4.6.3
[20:01] <cousin_mario> BluesKaj: sorry, 4.6.2
[20:01] <cousin_mario> the one supplied with kubuntu 11.04 anyway
[20:08] <BluesKaj> open an app like dolphin and just look in help , anout kde
[20:09] <BluesKaj> cousin_mario, ^
[20:09] <BluesKaj> about
[20:09] <cousin_mario> BluesKaj: ...
[20:09] <cousin_mario> BluesKaj: what part of "it crashes right after login" is not clear?:)
[20:09] <BluesKaj> about kde , tells the version
[20:10] <BluesKaj> oh guess I missed that
[20:11] <BluesKaj> I thought that new nvidia driver solved that prob
[20:11] <cousin_mario> I have an intermittent problem now
[20:11] <cousin_mario> kdeinit4 segfaults
[20:12] <cousin_mario> not sure what to do about it
[21:50] <lcb> yHelloW
[21:56] <BluesKaj> yes?
[22:14] <SIR_Taco> hello
[22:15] <lcb> hello SIR_Taco
[22:16] <SIR_Taco> what's going on today?
[22:17] <lcb> slow, since about 30 mins ago. only happy users
[22:18] <SIR_Taco> nothing wrong with happy users :)
[22:18] <lcb> ppl don't abuse kubuntu so... no problems
[22:18] <SIR_Taco> any idea if Linkmaster got his wireless printer working?
[22:18] <Linkmaster> lcb: helped me out yesterday :D
[22:18] <ZweiDrei> Well...
[22:18] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: does it work now?
[22:19] <lcb> Linkmaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are alive!!
[22:19] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: he went hunting and wrung googles daughter till she spilled her secrets. found the austrailian secrets
[22:19] <ZweiDrei> Trying to insall Burg on Kubuntu.
[22:19] <Linkmaster> Yes I am! The printer spat fire and my computer screamed like the demons, so I know all is well! :D
[22:19] <lcb> is working? :o
[22:20] <ZweiDrei> Nope.
[22:20] <ZweiDrei> Done it before on Ubuntu, but not here.
[22:21] <SIR_Taco> ZweiDrei: have you tried going through: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/install-and-configure-burg-in-ubuntu.html
[22:21] <lcb> matter of fact i'm trying to find now two drivers, one for an olivetti d-color mf201 and another for canon pixma mp500
[22:21] <lcb> this olivetti d-color is the tricky one
[22:21] <Linkmaster> lcb: try the austrailian secrets...they seem to know
[22:22] <lcb> Linkmaster: i looked already - no luck :/
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> why are the Australians keeping it a secrect? lol
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> secret event
[22:22] <SIR_Taco> forget it... can't type today it seems lol
[22:22] <lcb> SIR_Taco: that's where i found his drivers, all way to australia
[22:22] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: the austrailians aren't sharing with the americans...I think its because the american-canon companies have a secret deal with mircosoggy
[22:23] <SIR_Taco> aaah... interesting
[22:23] <Linkmaster> I'm just going to leave this here......www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_os.shtml
[22:23] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: so the printer works now? no problems?
[22:23] <lcb> Linkmaster: is it safe to click on it? :o
[22:24] <lcb> Linkmaster: sisnce
[22:24] <lcb> oops
[22:24] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: its perfectly good :D
[22:24] <Linkmaster> lcb: Only if you backed up /home in the past few hours...
[22:24] <lcb> since you burned my computers i don't believe you, Linkmaster
[22:24] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: excellent, good to hear. Was I on the right track atleast? or way off? haha
[22:24] <ZweiDrei> @Sir_Taco: No haven't gone to that page before.
[22:24] <ZweiDrei> Thanks.
[22:25] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: you sort of were. lcb went through the same troubleshooting you did, and I went along to make sure I wasn't being stupid, and then he wrung googles daughter for her secrets
[22:25] <ZweiDrei> I only hope it works on Kubuntu.
[22:25] <Linkmaster> lcb: you know you enjoyed it :D
[22:26] <SIR_Taco> ZweiDrei: no problem. The base system for Kubuntu and Ubuntu (and any other *buntu) is more-or-less the same.... a boot manager is as basic as it gets, should work fine for Kubuntu as well
[22:26] <lcb> Linkmaster: appropriate drivers are most likely a solution for printer issues
[22:26] <Linkmaster> Usually, unless the company is shady
[22:26] <ZweiDrei> Thanks/
[22:27] <ZweiDrei> I just started using Kubuntu.
[22:27] <Linkmaster> I searched high and low through canon trying to find a driver..
[22:27] <SIR_Taco> ZweiDrei: well welcome then :)
[22:27] <lcb> yoooopiiiii another future happy user
[22:27] <Linkmaster> ZweiDrei: yes, welcome :D
[22:28] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: I've had my share of printer woes in the past... I know what you mean. Now I research a bit before I buy any printer. My CLP-310 is awesome :)
[22:28] <lcb> that's a good one
[22:29] <SIR_Taco> only paid $120 CDN.... it was a steal
[22:29] <lcb> wow
[22:29] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I was doing it more for my mom. I've been slowly introducing her to Linux, talking about it, and shes starting to show a little interest. Her only setbacks that she knew about was her Creative Memories photo manager thingys. She forgot about her printer, but I solved that one xD
[22:30] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: excellent
[22:31] <Linkmaster> Yes, I'm happy about it. And if I can get the switch through, I'm never going to have to worry about her wasting 1000's of dollars a year
[22:31] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: good point
[22:32] <Linkmaster> I'm a thrifty person. Linux works better then MS in 90% or more cases, and its free compared to the 200-500 dollar tag MS hands you
[22:32] <SIR_Taco> ZweiDrei: Just keep in mind that you can use any software from Ubuntu with Kubuntu.... if it's GUI related, you might be installing programs you'll use rarely if at all, but it has little to no effect on your system (unless you have a small hard-drive I guess)
[22:33] <Linkmaster> Linux offers FOSS that others actively maintain and develop...MS consists largely of proprietary things. Lets say that we need word processing. LO gives us that free, MSoffice costs another 300 dollars. Now, MS has cost us 800.
[22:34] <Linkmaster> Linux has NO viruses[viri?]. MS has upwards of 3BILLION. Good AVware for MS costs a good 400 dollars. Just download Clam for Linux if your contacting a windows server/etc.
[22:34] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: I agree completely, compatibiility is the only issue really
[22:34] <lcb> ZweiDrei: ... but avoind mixing gnome and unity with kubuntu. could cause some problems
[22:34] <SIR_Taco> lcb: that's a good point
[22:35] <Linkmaster> Yeah, since Ubuntu's jump to Unity, compatability is less[though the jump to Unity was a brilliant choice IMO]
[22:35] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: having said that, compatibility between  MS Office versions in general is an issue
[22:36] <Linkmaster> But thats because MS upgrades their versions in such a way to FORCE users to upgrade
[22:36] <Linkmaster> Thats one of the biggest reasons Vista was such a fiasco; not only did they release crappy software, but they made it so the only way you could use up-to-date software was by buying it
[22:37] <SIR_Taco> From a developer standpoint, I can see thier resoning for dropping support for older formats.... but it's just not practical
[22:37] <Linkmaster> And since the core of Vista and 7 is drastically different from XP and previous versions, there was really no option
[22:38] <Linkmaster> The least they can do is like the *buntus. absolutely brilliant to release the LTS versions
[22:38] <Linkmaster> XP would be an example of that. Its their studiest software, and they know that. But they are dropping support for it in a very short time, I think they already have actually
[22:39] <ZweiDrei> Okay, I'm gonna try it out now.
[22:39] <Linkmaster> Good luck :D
[22:39] <Linkmaster> I'm going to [/rant], its probably not a good thing to keep going
[22:39] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: Windows 7 is actually not too shabby (yea, yea I know)
[22:40] <Linkmaster> Oh I will never say Windows7 is bad, because its not
[22:40] <Linkmaster> They basically got XP and put it through cosmetic surgery
[22:40] <Gallus> where do i install dolphin services in kubuntu?
[22:41] <SIR_Taco> I need to restart, brb
[22:44] <lcb> Gallus: Dolphin->Settings->Configure Dolphin->Services (->) Download New Services (if needed)
[22:46] <Gallus> lcb i was looking for the folder
[22:47] <SIR_Taco> back
[22:48] <SIR_Taco> seems home folder encryption just broke on that 11.10 update... oops
[22:48] <Linkmaster> welcome back
[22:48] <excognac> hi all
[22:48] <SIR_Taco> hi excognac
[22:49] <excognac> how is that possible that there are files in my desktop folder but not displayed on my desktop?
[22:50] <Linkmaster> They aren't exactly the same thing..I don't know the best way to explain it
[22:52] <SIR_Taco> excognac: the 'Folder View' widget show a folder.... doesn't have to be the Desktop folder... could show any folder
[22:52] <lcb> Gallus: look for it  in .kde./share/apps/servicemenu*
[22:52] <SIR_Taco> I think by default it's set to your "home" folder, if you unlock the widgets, click the wrench on the side of the space, you can switch it to desktop folder
[22:53] <excognac> thanks a lot
[22:54] <SIR_Taco> excognac: you're welcome
[23:01] <lcb> Gallus: found it?
[23:01] <Gallus> yep lcb thanks
[23:01] <lcb> good
[23:02] <lcb> Gallus: you want to remove some leftovers, isn't?
[23:02] <lcb> there are indeed some services not installing correctly
[23:04] <Linkmaster> lcb: SIR_Taco: you should look at this: www.artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml
[23:05] <lcb> Linkmaster: that looks suspitious. let me look at it from my MS-DOS machine
[23:06] <lcb> suspicious too
[23:06] <Linkmaster> Its just an essay :P
[23:06] <SIR_Taco>  it looks long also... and I'm feeling lazy... but I will look at it lol
[23:06]  * Linkmaster cackles evilly
[23:07] <lcb> Linkmaster: i started reading that. can i continue it when i'll go to the bed?
[23:07] <lcb> Linkmaster: or ...if you make it short :p
[23:07] <Linkmaster> I never said when you should read, or even if. I just put it out there to be seen
[23:08] <lcb> Linkmaster: i know you want all happy Kubuntusers for you and make us busy with the eyes somewhere
[23:08] <Linkmaster> >:D
[23:08] <lcb> :p
[23:09] <SIR_Taco> my eyes are better suited for looking at other things.... :P
[23:09] <lcb> bookmarked for better reading
[23:09] <Linkmaster> I only answer is I know, otherwise I keep very silent and wait for someone smarter to answer so I can learn something knew
[23:10] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: my thought is that with enough information I can solve any problem.... sometimes that backfires though haha
[23:11] <Linkmaster> Well, I currently don't have have enough knowledge; I can get all the information in the world, but if I don't know, I don't know :P
[23:12] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: it comes in time... and helping someone through a problem you don't know about, well help you down the line
[23:12] <lcb> SIR_Taco: tell me about it... right before i got here i almost had an accident, for the same reason; "my eyes are better suited for looking at other things.". on one side of the road very good looking specimens. on the other side some not so good ones. i almost went over an elderly couple :(
[23:12] <Linkmaster> I sometimes try to do that, and it often helps you smarter people too
[23:13]  * Linkmaster chuckles
[23:13] <SIR_Taco> lcb: lol, well you need to be selective :P
[23:13] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: many heads are better than one
[23:14] <Linkmaster> Yes, and I can turn that into another rant but I won't
[23:14] <SIR_Taco> lcb: I had the luck of training first-aid to life guards this morning.... good day ;)
[23:15] <lcb> SIR_Taco: WOW. did you went over the mouth-to-mouth resuscitation lesson  already???
[23:15] <lcb> most ppl pass out during that session
[23:15] <SIR_Taco> lcb: lol, no I behaved
[23:15] <lcb> oops, this is kubuntu
[23:16] <lcb> pass out, meaning, passing out to another dimension
[23:17] <SIR_Taco> haha
[23:17] <lcb> hehehe
[23:20] <SIR_Taco> and the conversation is dead lol
[23:20] <szal> seems we have a case for a bug report against the nVidia driver
[23:22] <szal> though it wouldn't hurt to know whether similar behaviour exists w/ the fglrx or one of the open source drivers
[23:22] <SIR_Taco> szal: what's wrong with the nVidia driver?
[23:24] <szal> in my case, it's impossible to resize Konsole from full-screen to not maximized w/ the widget or resize a non-maximized Konsole w/ the mouse -> result: everything freezes, mouse pointer comes back to life after a short while, disk activity (e.g. cronjobs) continues, Internet connection stays alive (radio stream in Audacious continued to play)
[23:24] <szal> another user reports similar behaviour for gnome-terminal
[23:25] <SIR_Taco> szal: an that's with the nVidia Proprietary drivers? not the Nouveau drivers?
[23:25] <szal> SIR_Taco: yes
[23:26] <SIR_Taco> szal: with Kubuntu 11.04?
[23:26] <szal> yes
[23:26] <szal> Linux zalle 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:27] <SIR_Taco> Anyone have nVidia drivers installed on 11.04?
[23:27] <szal> SIR_Taco: and w/ KDE 4.6.4 from Kubuntu PPA
[23:27] <lcb> szal: did you try ALT+F3 while in full screen?
[23:27] <szal> lcb: huh?
[23:28] <szal> lcb: I tried Ctrl+Alt+F1 while the thing was frozen, but didn't switch away from X
[23:28] <lcb> szal: is it real full screen or fully open?
[23:28] <szal> lcb: covering the whole screen sans the panel
[23:28] <szal> i.e. maximized
[23:28] <SIR_Taco> lcb: sounds like it's locking up when in full-screen/maximized
[23:28] <lcb> szal: konsole or tty? i got confused now
[23:28] <szal> lcb: Konsole
[23:28] <szal> the KDE terminal emulator
[23:29] <lcb> so.. if is a full screen you could get the menu tu disable it with ALT+F3
[23:29] <lcb> tu/to
[23:29] <szal> http://www.privatepaste.com/630b52b7ff <- last entry from Xorg.0.log
[23:30] <SIR_Taco> szal: when's the last time you did an update?
[23:30] <szal> lcb: I didn't hide the menu bar, if you mean that
[23:31] <lcb> szal: on konsole, clicking on "Menu" (very top left) then Advanced | Full Screen
[23:32] <szal> lcb: nah, just maximize (2nd widget from right)
[23:32] <lcb> to undo it, just hit ALT+F3. but looks like you get different way of doing it
[23:32] <lcb>  yeap
[23:32] <szal> nothing else
[23:32] <szal> then un-maximize, results in freeze here
[23:32] <lcb> so you mean full extend of the window ;)
[23:33] <SIR_Taco> lcb: szal is getting errors from the nvidia driver....
[23:33] <lcb> extent..
[23:33] <lcb> SIR_Taco: got it. just trying to figure out how to unlock that situation
[23:34] <SIR_Taco> ok
[23:34] <bt> hi
[23:35] <lcb> hi bt
[23:35] <szal> lcb: btw, there is no such thing as "Advanced" in the Konsole menu
[23:35] <bt> one room in portuguese,please,........
[23:35] <bt> do u know??
[23:35] <szal> lcb: what you mean is the window behaviour & has nothing to do w/ Konsole in itself
[23:35] <lcb> szal: i have it. no fancy addons or whatever installed
[23:35] <szal> !pt | bt
[23:37] <bt> thanks
[23:37] <lcb> szal: right next to "On All Desktops" small circle
[23:37] <szal> lcb: as I said, that's the window menu, not the Konsole menu
[23:37] <SIR_Taco> szal: left-clicking the icon in the top right corner of the window and/or alt-f3, should show the menu that lcb is talking about
[23:37] <szal> in other words, functions from the window manager to apply to the current window
[23:37] <szal> SIR_Taco: I figured that out in the meantime ;)
[23:38] <SIR_Taco> ok haha
[23:38] <lcb> szal: "<lcb> szal: on konsole, clicking on "Menu" (very top left) then Advanced | Full Screen" Not Konsole Menu
[23:39] <szal> lcb: got that, anyhoo, that's not what I was talking about
[23:39] <lcb> the "menu" is on all open windows
[23:40] <lcb> pas the mouse over it and you get the name of it :p
[23:40] <lcb> pas/pass
[23:40] <Linkmaster> Just going to through this out there....: "Managing programmers is like herding cats"
[23:40] <SIR_Taco> lcb: honestly didn't know that the "tool tip" was 'menu'... was wondering what you were talking about haha
[23:41] <lcb> SIR_Taco: hey... i call the name that is on it hehehe
[23:42] <SIR_Taco> lcb: unless you have 'tips' turned off lol
[23:42] <lcb> i know that name misleads
[23:42] <lcb> probably. i'll check that later
[23:43] <galat> Hello there :]
[23:43] <lcb> hello galat
[23:43] <Linkmaster> and this: "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
[23:43] <galat> how are you guys doing tonight?
[23:43] <SIR_Taco> hi galat
[23:44] <lcb> galat: not so good. then, you arrived :p
[23:44] <galat> ;p
[23:44] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: I really want to argue that... but I can't lol
[23:44] <Linkmaster> galat: lcb will refuse to admit that its because I'm here to make everything better
[23:44] <Linkmaster> :D
[23:45] <Linkmaster> Its true and you know it
[23:45] <SIR_Taco> haha
[23:45] <Linkmaster> I left one in the #kubuntu-devel channel that they will probably drop a +b on me for xD
[23:45] <galat> Linkmaster: I would gladly receive some... make-things-better-part from just anyone :D
[23:46] <Linkmaster> Is your computer on fire?
[23:46] <lcb> Linkmaster is showing his modesty ;)
[23:46] <galat> Nope... err, not yet, at least.
[23:47] <SIR_Taco> lol
[23:47] <Linkmaster> Well, when it bursts into flames you'll be fine
[23:47] <lcb> galat: so keep talking with Linkmaster
[23:47] <Linkmaster> :D
[23:47] <lcb> you'll smell the smoke, first
[23:47] <SIR_Taco> just turn all your overclocking settings in the BIOS to maximum... that should set the thing on fire
[23:48] <lcb> oh... isn't that the bios noise feature?
[23:48] <Linkmaster> And make sure you run as much as possible right afterwards....or install Windows. That would work too
[23:48] <szal> SIR_Taco: the problem doesn't exist w/ Kubuntu Natty 32bit and nVidia 173 on my other machine
[23:49] <galat> lcd I meant no offence
[23:49] <galat> lcb, I meant.
[23:49] <SIR_Taco> szal: do you have "nvidia-current" installed?
[23:49] <szal> SIR_Taco: yes
[23:49] <SIR_Taco> and it's 173?
[23:49] <lcb> galat: i know. we like to kidd around a bit here. too serious makes us less helpful
[23:49] <szal> SIR_Taco: no, it's 270
[23:50] <galat> Actually guys, I try to figure out one thingy in my newly installed kubuntu.
[23:50] <szal> SIR_Taco: the 173 is legacy for GeForce FX only
[23:50]  * Linkmaster notes that this is why he tries to catch the computers on fire....makes life interesting
[23:50] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: makes my life hell :P
[23:50] <SIR_Taco> szal: ah, ok, so you have an FX card?
[23:51]  * galat lends a candle to Linkmaster ... here, help yourself :D
[23:51] <lcb> Linkmaster: you want to waste some money? insert a 20 $ bill in your cd tray and hit play :p
[23:51] <SIR_Taco> If I have to go to structure fire tonight, I'm blaming you all lol
[23:51] <lcb> Linkmaster: better: Rewind
[23:52] <szal> SIR_Taco: you're mixing stuff up..  I have an FX 5900XT in my other machine running Kubuntu Natty 32bit, here I have a GTX240 and am running Kubuntu Natty 64bit
[23:52] <Linkmaster> <-- Linkmaster (~quassel@pool-72-66-222-199.ronkva.east.verizon.net) has quit (No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
[23:53] <lcb> Linkmaster:  probably you did /ignore Ping
[23:54] <SIR_Taco> szal: ok, but which isn't working... the GTX240 isn't working?
[23:54] <szal> SIR_Taco: and the aforementioned freeze is happening on this machine, while the other machine doesn't exhibit any such problem
[23:54] <Linkmaster> No, I got careless with the candle galat lent me
[23:54] <szal> SIR_Taco: yes
[23:54] <lcb> Linkmaster: that was a nice move. just accept it
[23:54]  * galat lends another one... ups, curtain caught fire ;]
[23:54] <Linkmaster> I loved it :D
[23:54] <SIR_Taco> szal: when's the last time you upgraded the system though?
[23:54] <szal> SIR_Taco: yesterday or so
[23:55]  * Linkmaster subtly starts to make galat's fan run faster
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> szal: ok, so you did a "sudo apt-get update" and a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[23:55] <lcb> Linkmaster: fun club?
[23:55] <szal> SIR_Taco: (1) I use aptitude, (2) why dist-upgrade?
[23:55] <Linkmaster> perhapsss...
[23:55] <galat> Linkmaster: mind a techie question?
[23:56] <Linkmaster> galat: shoot, I might be able to answer
[23:56] <lcb> i second that
[23:56] <galat> Linkmaster: Cause it's not something I am able to google ;/
[23:56] <szal> galat: strengthen your google-fu you must ;)
[23:56] <Linkmaster> lcb: you might have to wrangle googles daughter if thats the case
[23:56] <lcb> lol
[23:57] <Linkmaster> But whats the question?
[23:57] <galat> I am running kubuntu 64-bit, and I'm sitting on KDE 4.4
[23:57] <SIR_Taco> szal: this will explain the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/whats-the-difference-between-apt-get-upgrade-and-apt-get-dist-upgrade-165998/
[23:57] <Linkmaster> Mhm?
[23:57] <lcb> i was expecting that Linkmaster. you are starting being predictable
[23:57] <szal> SIR_Taco: I know what the difference is, the question is, why would you recommend running dist-upgrade?
[23:57] <Linkmaster> lcb: maybe thats the ploy
[23:58] <SIR_Taco> szal: because I use it myself I suppose
[23:58] <lcb> galat:  kb 64 .. kde 4.4..
[23:58] <galat> Linkmaster: I just have this strange condition in my KDE - when I close any app, it closes it's window, then restores for a split second and shuts down completely :]
[23:59] <lcb> strange
[23:59] <Linkmaster> Ive seen that before
[23:59] <lcb> looks like it comes up again and takes a last breath
[23:59] <Linkmaster> Quite possibly
[23:59] <galat> Yeah, for a blink only.